Shall we bow our
heads for prayer?
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Father in heaven, we thank
You once again for the awesome
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opportunity of being in this
place to open Your Holy Word.
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We ask for the
guidance of Your Holy Spirit.
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I ask, Father, that You
will give us clear minds,
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that You will give us
tender hearts to receive
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that which You have for us.
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And as we enter the last stages
of the history of this world,
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we ask that You will
give us the strength to remain
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firm and loyal to You.
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And we thank You
for hearing our prayer
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for we ask it in
Jesus' name, Amen.
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The title of our study
today is, The Ecumenical Mary.
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And I'd like to begin with a
couple of verses that probably
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most of us are very
well acquainted with.
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They come from Matthew 24.
which is known as the chapter
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of the signs of
the coming of Jesus,
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verses 23 and 24 specifically.
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These verses are speaking
about the great deceptions which
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will exist in the last days.
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And it says there: Then
if anyone says to you, Look,
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here is the Christ, or
there; do not believe it.
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For false Christ's and false
prophets will rise and show
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great signs and
wonders; to deceive,
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if possible, even the elect.
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There have been, in the last few
years, a series of super natural
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events taking place at different
places on Planet Earth.
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And these signs and
wonders involve the Virgin Mary.
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They're known as
apparitions of the Virgin Mary.
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I'd just like to begin
by mentioning some of these
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as we begin our study today.
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First of all, you have the
appearance of Mary, purportedly
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anyway, in the city
of Fatima, in Portugal.
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You have the appearance
of Mary in the city of
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Garabandal in Spain.
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You have her appearing in
Akita in Japan, in Naju, Korea,
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in Medjugorje, which
is in Bosnia-Herzegovina,
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what used to be Yugoslavia.
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Even in Sacramento,
California, if you remember
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a year or so ago, there
was this statue that supposedly
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oozed oil out of it.
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And so all over the world there
are these phenomena taking place
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which involve the Virgin Mary.
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Now I would like to mention
more specifically some of these
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events that are taking place.
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I'd like to begin by mentioning
a woman called Julia Kim.
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She's from Korea. Starting
on June 30, 1985, she began to
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experience some very
interesting phenomena.
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For example, she started
experiencing the stigmata,
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the signs of the crucifixion
of Jesus on her body.
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Just all of a sudden,
momentarily, statues around her
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started oozing oil
and water, and red blood.
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She also, purportedly, when the
host was placed on her tongue,
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they would examine the
host, and the host actually had
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flesh and blood as
being part of the host.
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Then we could talk
about Myrna of Damascus.
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She experiences the
stigmata on Good Friday.
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And, once again, her body,
according to eye witnesses,
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oozes 100% olive oil.
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People, according to
witnesses that have been there,
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say that she has been
instrumental in performing many
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miracles of healing, as well
as not only through the statues,
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but also through her prayers.
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Then we could talk about
the Marian Order of Priests,
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or Marian Movement of Priests.
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There are actually around 300
bishops and cardinals that have
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belonged to this movement.
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Actually, there are
55,000 priests, 300 bishops
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and cardinals that
belong to this organization.
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It was started by
Don Stefano Gobbi.
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Since May 8, 1972 Stefano
began having interior locutions.
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In other words he started
experiencing inner voices
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that were speaking to him.
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And, according to him, it was
Mary who was speaking to him.
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And, basically, she assured
him that through her Immaculate
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heart the problems with the
priests, and the problems with
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the Roman Catholic Church,
were going to be resolved.
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Fr. Gobbi wrote two books which
contained many of the locutions,
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or many of the voices
that he heard, purportedly,
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of Mary speaking to him.
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The names of the books are:
Our Lady Speaks to Her Beloved
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Priests, and the
second one is, To the Priests,
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Our Lady's Beloved Sons.
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We could speak about
Fr. Bruce who is from
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Lake Ridge, Virginia, who also
has seen statues surrounding him
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weeping, oozing oil,
bleeding, and changing colors.
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This has led a reporter in
U. S. News and World Report
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for March 25, 1993 to say this:
Something that would normally
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have taken place over a lifetime
is taking place for many people
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over a short period of time.
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Along with the convergence
many healings also have
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been taking place.
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There have been
reports of healings of cancer
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and other diseases.
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The most important changes,
however, have been the changed
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lives, the inner conversions.
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Not only do you have
these supernatural experiences,
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but I'm sure that you've
heard about Mary, for example,
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appearing on a grilled
cheese sandwich that sold for,
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I believe, close to $20,000.
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I'm sure you've heard about
Mary appearing on the frozen
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surface of a freezer.
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The formation of the
ice looked like the face
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of the Virgin Mary.
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Recently I heard about an under
pass, where a very important
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highway went over, where,
supposedly, the face of the
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Virgin Mary was
stamped on the wall.
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Now I would like to share
with you what this Virgin Mary,
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is actually saying.
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Because she's saying some
very extraordinary things.
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And I'm going to use as
my primary source the book,
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The Thunder Of Justice.
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It's written by a couple
whose last name is Flynn.
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And, actually, what they
do is they gather together
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the locutions of Fr. Gobbi,
as well as many other sources,
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where Mary, supposedly, has been
speaking in these last days.
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What exactly is Mary saying?
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What is this Mary saying?
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Well, first of all, she's
condemning the social ills
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which exist in the world today.
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Notice, for
example, this statement.
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And this is purportedly Mary
who is speaking. She says this:
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Now notice these social ills.
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It's called pornography today.
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That is using
artificial contraceptives.
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It's interesting that
these are the very issues that
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conservative Protestants
are addressing today as well.
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In another
statement, purportedly by Mary,
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she says this... And now she's
speaking directly about the
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governments who are legislating
these things. She says:
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By the way, this
was said in 1992.
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Interesting that Mary
would be saying that governments
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of the world, congresses,
and parliaments would be
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legitimizing many of these
immoral practices in society.
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And by implication she's
saying that the government,
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on the other hand, should
actually legislate morality.
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And this is exactly what
has been happening in the world
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today, primarily by Right
Wing Protestant movements.
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Now Mary also is having
a lot to say about prayer,
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interestingly enough.
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You know, there's a
lot of emphasis in the
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world today on prayer.
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Now notice, for example,
what she said on July 25, 1990.
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And then here's the quotation:
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And I'm reading
only certain statements.
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There are many other
statements where she's
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telling people, pray.
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Of course, we're going to find
a little bit later on that the
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favorite prayer is
the prayer of the rosary.
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And, of course, that
is a serious problem.
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Interestingly enough, this
Mary is also encouraging people
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to keep the ten commandments.
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Notice, for example, this
statement: Sons and daughters
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of the world, I beg
you to recite and keep
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the ten commandments.
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The only thing is a little bit
later we're going to find that
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she's saying that one of the
commandments has been changed,
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and it's no longer the
Sabbath which needs to be kept
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but Sunday,
interestingly enough.
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Also this purported Mary
is speaking a lot about peace
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and about love.
Notice this statement:
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So you have a great
emphasis on peace and on love.
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And you're probably saying
by now, All of these things are
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very laudable
things which she's saying.
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I mean, who would say
that it's wrong for her to
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encourage people to pray?
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And what would be wrong
with her saying that we need to
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emphasize love, and we
need to emphasize peace,
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and that we need family values,
and that we need to better the
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morality of society?
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You say, certainly
these are very good things.
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And they are. But we
need to recognize that in
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1 Thessalonians 5:3 we are told:
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Did you notice that?
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Do you know that the
devil can also talk about love?
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Do you know that the
devil can also talk about peace?
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And he can also encourage people
to keep the ten commandments,
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as long as you
don't keep one of them.
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Because the Bible says
that he who keeps all of the
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commandments, and yet refuses
to keep one, is guilty of all.
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The devil doesn't mind
if you just violate one of
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the ten commandments.
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Another interesting thing, which
this Mary is saying, is she's
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emphasizing family values.
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Notice this statement where
she's speaking to some mystics
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in Lubbock, Texas on September
26, 1988. She said this:
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Interestingly enough, this Mary
also says that one of Satan's
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deceptions in the end time
is that he is going to make
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his demons disguise themselves
as departed relatives.
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Now allow me to read you
this interesting statement
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which is found in The
Thunder Of Justice, page 113.
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It's actually a message
which was spoken to Melony.
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This was way back
in 1846 in La Salette.
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Here's the quotation:
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Mary's speaking, supposedly.
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So what this Mary is saying
is that the devil is going to
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appear with his spirits
disguised as relatives who
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passed away, and
they're going to teach heresy.
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Now I don't know
whether you're hearing something
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very interesting here.
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This is what we've heard all our
lives as Seventh-day Adventists.
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But the difference is that
these entities, most likely,
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as you look at the Biblical
scenario, are going to come and
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they're going to say that it's
necessary to keep the Sabbath.
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And, of course, for that
reason they will be considered
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evil spirits, because they're
not saying that you're supposed
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to observe Sunday.
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The devil, in other
words, is preparing everything.
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He's setting everything up
in order to deceive humanity.
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This Mary is also speaking about
apostasy in the Roman Catholic
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Church, which is very,
very rampant these days.
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Notice this message:
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The Catholic Church.
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You know, that
could have been written
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pretty much by Ellen White.
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Those of you who have read her
writings; The Great Controversy.
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It sounds almost identical.
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You know, that the man
of sin is going to sit in
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the temple of God.
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And there's going
to be a little remnant
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which remains faithful to God.
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And they are going to
suffer trials and persecutions.
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This Mary also makes
great ecumenical pleas.
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In other words, she
wants to bring the whole
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human race together.
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For example, she said
this: I am mother to all of you.
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Come closer to me, overcoming
differences in nationality.
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In another
statement she said this:
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And then she says:
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That raises a
red flag immediately.
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We'll come back to
that a little bit later.
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This purported
Mary also said this:
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What she's saying is that she's
going to perform a supernatural
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miracle in the heavens, in the
skies, that everybody will see.
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And she's saying that this
will lead to the conversion
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of the whole
world to Jesus Christ.
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This purported Mary also
said that the fall of communism
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was not due to political
and economical factors.
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You know, usually people take
the credit by saying that it was
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Ronald Reagan, and
that it was John Paul II,
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and through political
maneuvering, and Poland,
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that communism was
actually overthrown.
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But this Mary is saying that she
was the one who actually brought
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the Soviet Union down,
because John Paul II dedicated,
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or consecrated, Russia to her.
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Notice this statement:
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Do you know that this Mary
also speaks about the death
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and resurrection of the Papacy?
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Notice this statement:
As Good Friday comes before
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Easter Sunday, we will see
the death of the Catholic Church
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before its
resurrection in a new form
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in the glorious era of peace.
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Now we all know that prophecy
in Revelation 13 where it speaks
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about this beast which
receives a deadly wound,
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but its deadly wound is healed.
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It resurrects to
power, and all of the world
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wanders after the beast.
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It sounds very
similar to this prophecy.
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Once again, as Good Friday
comes before Easter Sunday,
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we will see the death of
the Catholic Church before its
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resurrection in a new form
in the glorious era of peace.
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It's interesting that many of
these phenomena have taken place
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during the
pontificate of John Paul II.
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Allow me to tell you a few
things about Pope John Paul II.
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Even though he's dead now,
it's interesting that most of
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these phenomena have taken
place during his pontificate.
00:23:27.05\00:23:31.41
I don't know whether
you're aware of the fact that he
00:23:31.44\00:23:34.93
dedicated his
pontificate to the Virgin Mary.
00:23:34.96\00:23:38.26
In fact John Paul II
called the 20th century
00:23:38.29\00:23:43.09
the century of Marian times.
00:23:43.12\00:23:46.58
In other words,
the century of Mary.
00:23:46.61\00:23:49.72
You're probably aware
that on May 13, 1981 the exact
00:23:49.75\00:23:54.91
anniversary in which Mary had
appeared to those three children
00:23:54.94\00:23:59.57
in Fatima, John Paul II was
in the Pope mobile going through
00:23:59.60\00:24:05.61
Saint Peter's Square.
00:24:05.64\00:24:07.50
75,000 people
were gathered there.
00:24:07.53\00:24:11.37
11 million people were
watching on television.
00:24:11.40\00:24:13.88
And John Paul II, as he tells
this story, saw this little girl
00:24:13.91\00:24:18.08
who had a picture of the Virgin
of Fatima around her neck.
00:24:18.11\00:24:21.86
And he bent over to
give this little girl a kiss.
00:24:21.89\00:24:26.83
And as soon as he bent
over, the shots rang out.
00:24:26.86\00:24:32.07
And those who were able to see
the film state that if he had
00:24:32.10\00:24:38.90
not bent over at that
very moment the shot would have
00:24:38.93\00:24:43.05
hit him in the head.
00:24:43.08\00:24:44.11
And he probably would
have been instantly killed.
00:24:44.14\00:24:46.47
And so he believes that his life
was spared by the Virgin Mary.
00:24:46.50\00:24:51.26
In fact while he was in the
hospital he claims to have had
00:24:51.29\00:24:54.40
several visions of the Virgin
Mary; the same vision that
00:24:54.43\00:24:58.54
these three kids
had in Fatima in 1917.
00:24:58.57\00:25:02.80
Interestingly enough, Malachi
Martin wrote a book called,
00:25:02.83\00:25:07.96
The Keys Of This Blood, where
he said that there was a life
00:25:07.99\00:25:11.38
and death struggle between
three systems in this world.
00:25:11.41\00:25:15.31
One system was
Roman Catholicism.
00:25:15.34\00:25:18.26
The other system
was soviet communism.
00:25:18.29\00:25:21.99
And the other system was
the capitalism of the West.
00:25:22.02\00:25:25.76
And in this book
Malachi Martin predicts that the
00:25:25.79\00:25:31.03
Roman Catholic Church will
be the victor in this struggle,
00:25:31.06\00:25:34.88
and to a great degree
it will be due to the aid
00:25:34.91\00:25:39.12
of the Virgin Mary.
00:25:39.15\00:25:40.29
John Paul II had embroidered
on the inside of his pontifical
00:25:40.32\00:25:47.60
robes the words Totus
tuu, which means all yours;
00:25:47.63\00:25:53.61
I am all yours, Mary.
00:25:53.64\00:25:56.10
Basically he believed
that he was a pope of destiny.
00:25:56.13\00:25:59.57
Because he had been called
to establish a New World Order
00:25:59.60\00:26:04.18
under the moral and
political direction of the
00:26:04.21\00:26:08.16
Roman Catholic Church.
00:26:08.19\00:26:09.34
Now you might be saying, a lot
of the things that you've read
00:26:09.37\00:26:13.80
that this Mary is speaking about
00:26:13.83\00:26:16.31
are very
laudable, very nice things.
00:26:16.34\00:26:19.91
Who couldn't agree with
family values, with keeping the
00:26:19.94\00:26:24.21
ten commandments, with the
need to have a moral society,
00:26:24.24\00:26:27.90
with the need to pray,
with the need to have peace,
00:26:27.93\00:26:31.49
with the need to
have stability in society.
00:26:31.52\00:26:34.39
We would all agree that
those are very good goals.
00:26:34.42\00:26:38.25
But the question is, Is this
really Mary who is speaking?
00:26:38.28\00:26:45.23
I want to share with
you now some of the things
00:26:45.26\00:26:50.90
that Mary is teaching,
that this Mary is teaching.
00:26:50.93\00:26:55.09
You know, the Scriptures
say that if you want to know if
00:26:55.12\00:26:59.18
something is true,
you check it out and you
00:26:59.21\00:27:02.26
compare it with Scripture.
00:27:02.29\00:27:03.37
Isaiah 8:20 says, To the
law and to the testimony:
00:27:03.40\00:27:09.37
if they speak not according
to this, it is because there
00:27:09.40\00:27:14.26
is no light in them.
00:27:14.29\00:27:15.89
Let me ask you this: Would it
be possible to make a chocolate
00:27:15.92\00:27:22.47
candy that has 99%
chocolate, and 1% arsenic?
00:27:22.50\00:27:29.09
Would that kill you?
00:27:29.12\00:27:30.20
Obviously it would.
00:27:30.23\00:27:33.23
Well, is it just possible that
all of these wonderful things
00:27:33.26\00:27:37.90
that this Mary is saying
are actually the chocolate,
00:27:37.93\00:27:42.96
and what we're going to
notice now is the arsenic?
00:27:42.99\00:27:46.89
You know, I hate to have to say
it so clearly, but this Mary is
00:27:46.92\00:27:51.22
teaching things which are
not in harmony with Scripture.
00:27:51.25\00:27:55.08
This Mary says many beautiful
things, but she also is teaching
00:27:55.11\00:27:59.08
things which are clearly
contradictory to Scripture.
00:27:59.11\00:28:02.49
Allow me to share
some of those with you.
00:28:02.52\00:28:04.96
For example,
notice this statement.
00:28:04.99\00:28:08.91
And this is Mary speaking.
00:28:08.94\00:28:10.68
Now I don't know if you have
some theological problems with
00:28:41.63\00:28:45.61
that statement that
this Mary is making.
00:28:45.64\00:28:47.86
She's saying subject
yourself to the church,
00:28:47.89\00:28:50.60
to the leaders of the church.
00:28:50.63\00:28:52.76
She's saying, that the
priesthood has the power to
00:28:52.79\00:28:57.32
forgive sins, and that even
Jesus, when He's called down
00:28:57.35\00:29:01.06
into the Host, He obeys
the orders of His priests.
00:29:01.09\00:29:05.69
That presents serious Biblical
and theological problems.
00:29:05.72\00:29:11.16
She also says that God
doesn't mind if you're converted
00:29:11.19\00:29:16.99
out of love, or
you're converted out of fear.
00:29:17.02\00:29:19.83
Notice this statement:
00:29:19.86\00:29:21.16
Did you notice that?
00:29:31.17\00:29:33.02
The Scripture says that
perfect love casts out fear.
00:29:57.46\00:30:01.97
God cannot accept a service
of fear; and yet this Mary is
00:30:02.00\00:30:06.57
saying that God doesn't mind
if you serve Him out of love,
00:30:06.60\00:30:09.94
or if you serve Him out of fear.
00:30:09.97\00:30:12.41
Do you know that this Mary
is also saying that she is the
00:30:12.44\00:30:16.92
authorized interpreter
of the book of Revelation?
00:30:16.95\00:30:19.68
Notice this statement. She says:
00:30:19.71\00:30:22.75
In other words you
don't have to study.
00:30:27.71\00:30:29.70
Just listen to Mary.
00:30:29.73\00:30:30.76
I'd like to know where in
the book of Revelation is the
00:30:57.15\00:30:59.67
victory of Mary foretold.
00:30:59.70\00:31:02.09
And I would like to know, also,
where we are told in Scripture
00:31:02.12\00:31:06.28
that Mary is the
authorized interpreter of the
00:31:06.31\00:31:09.64
book of Revelation.
00:31:09.67\00:31:10.70
It's not in Scripture.
00:31:10.73\00:31:12.04
The Bible says
that we are all to study
00:31:12.07\00:31:14.79
Scripture for ourselves.
00:31:14.82\00:31:16.35
Blessed is he who reads,
who hears, and understands,
00:31:16.38\00:31:21.39
we are told in the
book of Revelation.
00:31:21.42\00:31:23.50
This Mary is also saying that
we are to have confidence in her
00:31:23.53\00:31:28.54
for salvation, and that we're
supposed to pray the rosary.
00:31:28.57\00:31:31.69
Where in Scripture do you
find praying with the rosary?
00:31:31.72\00:31:36.08
Notice this statement:
00:31:36.11\00:31:37.39
Scripture says that there's
no other name given under heaven
00:31:57.46\00:32:03.19
whereby we might be saved.
00:32:03.22\00:32:05.13
And it is the name of whom?
00:32:05.16\00:32:07.34
It is the name of
Jesus, according to Acts 4:12.
00:32:07.37\00:32:12.94
She also says that we
can be saved from God's
00:32:12.97\00:32:17.08
wrath by our works.
00:32:17.11\00:32:18.78
Notice this statement: We should
avoid the wrath of God on us
00:32:18.81\00:32:24.84
by our good efforts.
00:32:24.87\00:32:27.67
And she actually says that she
intercedes with Jesus, and Jesus
00:32:27.70\00:32:33.39
appeases the
wrath of His Father.
00:32:33.42\00:32:36.05
Notice this statement:
00:32:36.08\00:32:37.57
Is that the picture
that Scripture presents?
00:32:56.66\00:33:00.30
Absolutely not! The Bible
tells us that we have access
00:33:00.33\00:33:04.22
to the Father
through Jesus His Son.
00:33:04.25\00:33:07.10
The Bible also tells us that God
loved the world, that He gave
00:33:07.13\00:33:10.99
His only begotten Son.
00:33:11.02\00:33:12.36
God's anger does
not need to be appeased.
00:33:12.39\00:33:14.89
God's wrath does not need to
be appeased, because when Jesus
00:33:14.92\00:33:18.24
died on the cross He
appeased the wrath of His Father
00:33:18.27\00:33:21.58
by paying the full debt for sin.
00:33:21.61\00:33:24.02
Notice also that this
Mary is saying that we should
00:33:24.05\00:33:28.55
participate in the Mass.
00:33:28.58\00:33:30.32
Here's the statement:
00:33:30.35\00:33:32.12
Scripture does not say that
Jesus is present literally in
00:34:01.60\00:34:07.75
the wine and in the host.
00:34:07.78\00:34:11.01
Jesus was speaking symbolically.
00:34:11.04\00:34:14.17
He was saying that
this represents My body.
00:34:14.20\00:34:17.28
This represents My blood.
00:34:17.31\00:34:19.16
And yet this Mary is saying
time and again in this statement
00:34:19.19\00:34:23.77
that we should exalt, and we
should participate in the Mass.
00:34:23.80\00:34:28.67
Do you know that she's
also saying that we should use
00:34:28.70\00:34:31.56
amulates to be protected
from the power of Satan?
00:34:31.59\00:34:34.52
Notice this statement:
00:34:34.55\00:34:36.17
No place in Scripture do
you find that by having a holy
00:34:54.37\00:34:58.58
object, or an amulet,
you are going to be protected
00:34:58.61\00:35:02.06
from the power of the devil.
00:35:02.09\00:35:03.62
Furthermore, this Mary is saying
that we should pray for the
00:35:03.65\00:35:09.49
souls who are in purgatory.
00:35:09.52\00:35:11.37
Now the Bible doesn't say
anything about a purgatory.
00:35:11.40\00:35:16.06
The Bible says that God
places before us life and death.
00:35:16.09\00:35:20.85
There is no intermediate
place where people go to burn,
00:35:20.88\00:35:25.55
or to purge themselves
from temporal punishment,
00:35:25.58\00:35:29.35
to then go into bliss.
00:35:29.38\00:35:31.83
This is a doctrine that is
found no where in Scripture,
00:35:31.86\00:35:35.14
and yet, purportedly, this Mary
says, Today I invite you to pray
00:35:35.17\00:35:40.19
every day for the
souls in purgatory.
00:35:40.22\00:35:44.93
She also teaches that
the church must use the state
00:35:44.96\00:35:49.11
to accomplish it's purposes.
00:35:49.14\00:35:50.66
Jesus said, Render unto
Caesar that which is Caesar's,
00:35:50.69\00:35:54.13
and to God that which is God's.
00:35:54.16\00:35:55.87
Jesus said, My
kingdom is not of this world.
00:35:55.90\00:35:58.22
But notice what
this Mary is saying:
00:35:58.25\00:36:00.84
In other words she's saying
that the destruction of the
00:36:23.73\00:36:25.66
Roman Catholic Church is
going to come because the state
00:36:25.69\00:36:29.20
enacts ungodly laws.
00:36:29.23\00:36:32.21
By implication what she's saying
is that the laws of the state
00:36:32.24\00:36:37.15
should be in harmony
with the principals of the
00:36:37.18\00:36:40.23
Roman Catholic Church.
00:36:40.26\00:36:41.62
By the way, she also says that
she will appear in various forms
00:36:41.65\00:36:48.50
in a New Age in this world.
00:36:48.53\00:36:50.14
She actually uses
the expression, New Age.
00:36:50.17\00:36:52.51
Notice this statement:
00:36:52.54\00:36:53.68
And, by the way, that one fold
and shepherd; the one shepherd
00:37:05.92\00:37:08.75
is the Pope, and the one fold
is the Roman Catholic Church,
00:37:08.78\00:37:11.43
in her view. She
continues saying:
00:37:11.46\00:37:14.01
This Mary also says
that she's going to crush
00:37:28.33\00:37:31.46
the head of the serpent.
00:37:31.49\00:37:32.58
Genesis 3:15 says that
Jesus is the one who crushes
00:37:32.61\00:37:36.72
the head of the serpent.
00:37:36.75\00:37:37.84
Notice this statement.
00:37:37.87\00:37:39.16
And this is Jesus speaking.
00:37:39.19\00:37:41.65
Revelation speaks about
God putting His seal on the
00:38:06.70\00:38:09.75
foreheads of His people.
00:38:09.78\00:38:10.85
And it speaks about the
beast putting its mark on those
00:38:10.88\00:38:15.20
who are followers of Satan.
00:38:15.23\00:38:16.40
Notice that this Mary
says that she's the one who is
00:38:16.43\00:38:19.13
marking God's people.
00:38:19.16\00:38:20.22
Here's the statement:
00:38:20.25\00:38:22.09
Do you see the number of times
that these themes come through
00:38:56.01\00:38:59.33
from the book of Revelation?
00:38:59.36\00:39:00.67
Mary is applying them to
herself, when the book of
00:39:00.70\00:39:04.07
Revelation applies them
to Jesus and to the Lord.
00:39:04.10\00:39:07.69
Do you know that this Mary even
says that she has power to bring
00:39:07.72\00:39:13.41
the dead to
speak with the living?
00:39:13.44\00:39:15.68
Notice this very
interesting statement.
00:39:15.71\00:39:18.27
There's an individual who
died, a Roman Catholic priest.
00:39:18.30\00:39:22.69
His name was Father Luis Andreu.
00:39:22.72\00:39:25.39
And I'm going to read the
statement after his death.
00:39:25.42\00:39:29.15
Told four people.
00:39:35.34\00:39:36.37
Who is the priest who
was alive at this point.
00:40:12.08\00:40:16.80
Because he wasn't there.
00:40:21.95\00:40:23.40
Is this what the
Bible teaches? No!
00:40:42.54\00:40:46.61
The Bible says the
living know that they will die,
00:40:46.64\00:40:49.88
but the dead know not anything.
00:40:49.91\00:40:53.39
The Bible calls death a
period of unconsciousness,
00:40:53.42\00:40:57.53
a period of sleep.
00:40:57.56\00:40:58.76
The dead cannot
appear to the living.
00:40:58.79\00:41:02.04
I admit that in the world
today there are many entities
00:41:02.07\00:41:06.57
that are appearing in
different places of the earth
00:41:06.60\00:41:10.51
to the living;
purportedly they're the
00:41:10.54\00:41:12.60
spirits of the departed.
00:41:12.63\00:41:14.01
But they are not the
spirits of the departed.
00:41:14.04\00:41:17.43
They are actually spirits
of devils that are disguising
00:41:17.46\00:41:23.29
themselves as
spirits of the dead.
00:41:23.32\00:41:26.25
In fact there's an
interesting statement here.
00:41:26.28\00:41:29.90
I won't take time to read it,
but I'll give you the reference
00:41:29.93\00:41:33.53
if you would like to pick up a
copy of The Thunder of Justice,
00:41:33.56\00:41:36.94
page 389. Mary says that most
of the problems that we have
00:41:36.97\00:41:44.29
in society today are due
to the desecration of Sunday
00:41:44.32\00:41:49.41
as the day of worship.
00:41:49.44\00:41:50.69
And she actually
condemns the commercialism,
00:41:50.72\00:41:54.13
and the entertainment that goes
on Sunday, instead of people
00:41:54.16\00:41:58.95
observing Sunday
as the day of rest.
00:41:58.98\00:42:01.47
Now I'm sure that that rings
a bell with those who have read
00:42:01.50\00:42:05.45
the book, The Great Controversy.
00:42:05.48\00:42:07.43
Now it's interesting to
notice that this Mary also is
00:42:07.46\00:42:11.52
predicting great
calamities in this world.
00:42:11.55\00:42:15.10
Allow me to read you this
paragraph from Kenneth Woodward
00:42:15.13\00:42:20.42
in the magazine Newsweek,
August 25, 1997, page 53.
00:42:20.45\00:42:28.00
He had an interview
with Mother Angelica.
00:42:28.03\00:42:30.68
Maybe you've seen her on
the Roman Catholic channel.
00:42:30.71\00:42:34.10
This is the statement. She says:
00:42:34.13\00:42:37.82
Particularly the one
we talked about last time,
00:42:42.65\00:42:45.13
which is that Mary is
coredemptrix, advocate,
00:42:45.16\00:42:48.92
and mediatrix of
all graces. She says:
00:42:48.95\00:42:51.42
By the way, this
network reaches 55 million
00:43:14.76\00:43:17.88
people in 38 countries.
00:43:17.91\00:43:20.14
And so basically, what Mother
Angelica is saying is that
00:43:20.17\00:43:24.60
when the Pope or the
Roman Catholic Church gives this
00:43:24.63\00:43:30.36
final dogma of Mary as
coredemptrix, advocate,
00:43:30.39\00:43:35.41
and mediatrix of all
graces, the world will be
00:43:35.44\00:43:39.50
spared great calamities.
00:43:39.53\00:43:41.52
Interestingly enough, Saint
Alphonsus Liguori, in his book,
00:43:41.55\00:43:45.86
The Glories of Mary, page 131.
00:43:45.89\00:43:48.66
This was many centuries ago.
00:43:48.69\00:43:52.24
...Had this to say about the
reason for calamities and how
00:43:52.27\00:43:56.22
to make sure that the
calamities are steered aside.
00:43:56.25\00:43:59.12
He says about her:
00:43:59.15\00:44:02.43
So the way to steer
aside calamities and problems
00:44:31.08\00:44:36.13
is by coming to Mary, and
particularly coming to her
00:44:36.16\00:44:41.15
statues, and to the shrines
that have been dedicated to her.
00:44:41.18\00:44:44.63
Now before we draw this to a
close, I would like to mention
00:44:44.66\00:44:48.76
another woman who, primarily
at the end of the 19th century,
00:44:48.79\00:44:57.09
had some very interesting
things to say about what was
00:44:57.12\00:45:00.93
going to happen
in the end times.
00:45:00.96\00:45:02.36
In fact she wrote a book which
I've referred to previously
00:45:02.39\00:45:06.60
in this lecture,
called The Great Controversy.
00:45:06.63\00:45:09.52
And I'd like to
read some statements from
00:45:09.55\00:45:12.69
this magnificent book.
00:45:12.72\00:45:14.87
And you'll see that many of
the things that Mary has been
00:45:14.90\00:45:18.88
saying actually are not
the work of the Spirit of God.
00:45:18.91\00:45:24.12
They are the work
of another spirit.
00:45:24.15\00:45:26.25
The Great Controversy, page 554.
00:45:26.28\00:45:29.24
Ellen White is speaking about
the devil appealing to love;
00:45:29.27\00:45:33.99
talking about love.
00:45:34.02\00:45:35.09
See the devil can
talk about love also.
00:45:35.12\00:45:37.14
She says: He appeals to
the reason by the presentation
00:45:37.17\00:45:42.80
of elevating themes.
00:45:42.83\00:45:44.53
He delights the fancy
with enrapturing scenes.
00:45:44.56\00:45:49.81
And he enlists the affections
by his eloquent portrayals
00:45:49.84\00:45:56.22
of love and charity.
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See, the devil can talk about
love, he can talk about charity,
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as long as he talks
about other things that are not
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in harmony with Scripture.
00:46:06.09\00:46:07.25
Because the most dangerous
aspect is not pure error,
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it's a mixture
of error and truth;
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primarily when you have
a great degree of truth,
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and only a small
element of error.
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Notice also in the following
statement that this author,
00:46:19.68\00:46:24.18
Ellen White, speaks
about the spirits of devils,
00:46:24.21\00:46:29.38
which disguise themselves
as departed relatives,
00:46:29.41\00:46:33.02
lamenting the wickedness in
the world at the end of time,
00:46:33.05\00:46:36.05
and saying the church
and state should be united,
00:46:36.08\00:46:38.73
and that Sunday should
be observed by everybody
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to steer away the calamities.
00:46:41.76\00:46:43.84
This is on page 590:
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See the state imposes
the laws, and everybody has
00:47:01.81\00:47:04.99
to obey the state.
00:47:05.02\00:47:06.13
She continues saying, notice:
00:47:06.16\00:47:09.63
But they're spirits of
devils, and they're lamenting
00:47:13.18\00:47:17.80
the wickedness in the world.
00:47:17.83\00:47:19.33
In another statement, which is
found in The Great Controversy,
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page 590, we find this
very interesting concept.
00:47:46.47\00:47:51.17
Speaking about calamities
being caused by Sunday
00:47:51.20\00:47:57.09
desecration, she says:
00:47:57.12\00:47:58.43
Notice the idea that
because Sunday is desecrated
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there are going
to be calamities.
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And the only way to get rid
of the calamities is by forcing
00:48:49.96\00:48:56.25
everyone to keep
Sunday as the day of worship.
00:48:56.28\00:48:59.34
It kind of reminds
you of the days of Elijah.
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Remember the
experience of Elijah?
00:49:02.27\00:49:04.67
He went to Ahab and he said,
I have not troubled Israel,
00:49:04.70\00:49:08.17
but you and your father's
house have troubled Israel.
00:49:08.20\00:49:11.37
Because you have forsaken
the commandments of God,
00:49:11.40\00:49:13.80
and you are worshipping Baal.
00:49:13.83\00:49:15.70
And, by the way,
Baal was the sun god.
00:49:15.73\00:49:17.95
So Ahab was blaming Elijah
for the calamities: there was no
00:49:17.98\00:49:22.47
rain, there was hunger, all of
the crops had died, the animals,
00:49:22.51\00:49:28.30
the livestock were dying.
00:49:28.33\00:49:29.89
And Elijah was blamed for the
calamities, because he did not
00:49:29.92\00:49:33.51
worship Baal, the sun god.
00:49:33.54\00:49:35.08
History is going to be repeated.
00:49:35.11\00:49:37.87
Notice also that Ellen White
describes the fact that the
00:49:37.90\00:49:42.80
Christian world is
going to want to unite
00:49:42.83\00:49:46.20
under one umbrella.
00:49:46.23\00:49:47.52
Do you remember what
this purported Mary had to
00:49:47.55\00:49:49.45
say about ecumenism?
00:49:49.48\00:49:50.82
Notice this statement: The
Great Controversy, 588, 599.
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She says:
00:49:54.02\00:49:55.16
Sounds very much like the
statements that we've read
00:50:19.60\00:50:23.90
from this purported Mary; in
fact the conversion of the world
00:50:23.93\00:50:28.82
theme we noticed
a little while ago.
00:50:28.86\00:50:31.76
Notice two other statements
very quickly about the role of
00:50:31.79\00:50:36.05
spiritualism; the idea
that the dead can come back
00:50:36.08\00:50:39.65
and speak with the living.
00:50:39.68\00:50:40.83
The Great Controversy, page 552.
00:50:40.86\00:50:43.73
Ellen White speaks
about the power of the devil.
00:50:43.76\00:50:46.90
She says he has power:
00:50:46.93\00:50:48.36
And then this is the
scary part. She says:
00:50:53.16\00:50:56.89
What is a perfect counterfeit?
00:51:00.75\00:51:03.23
It's when the U.S.
government can't even recognize
00:51:03.26\00:51:06.82
a counterfeit $100
bill as being counterfeit,
00:51:06.85\00:51:09.95
because it is so
much like the genuine.
00:51:09.98\00:51:13.27
So she says, The counterfeit
is perfect: the familiar look,
00:51:13.30\00:51:18.43
the words, the
tone are reproduced with
00:51:18.46\00:51:23.97
marvelous distinctness.
00:51:24.00\00:51:26.33
On page 560 she
warns in these words:
00:51:26.36\00:51:31.23
Now I would like to
conclude by asking the question:
00:51:54.67\00:51:58.32
How can we know whether
this Mary, who is professing
00:51:58.35\00:52:05.84
to speak, is really Mary or not?
00:52:05.88\00:52:08.98
It all boils down to
whether you believe that Mary
00:52:09.02\00:52:14.08
is alive today or not.
00:52:14.11\00:52:17.20
If you believe that Mary is
alive today, you would be prone
00:52:17.23\00:52:22.72
to accept these
messages as coming from Mary.
00:52:22.75\00:52:25.42
And in Roman Catholicism
they believe that Mary died,
00:52:25.45\00:52:29.26
she was buried, on the third day
she was resurrected after her
00:52:29.29\00:52:33.47
body saw no corruption.
00:52:33.50\00:52:34.96
She was assumed to heaven,
and she sat at the right hand
00:52:34.99\00:52:39.02
of her son as queen of heaven.
00:52:39.06\00:52:41.77
And so what would
prevent her from coming back
00:52:41.80\00:52:45.17
to speak to the living?
00:52:45.20\00:52:47.11
It's a very important question.
00:52:47.14\00:52:49.45
On the other hand, if we
go by what the Bible says,
00:52:49.48\00:52:53.39
and the Bible says nothing,
absolutely about the death
00:52:53.42\00:52:58.04
of Mary, the burial of
Mary, the non-decomposing body
00:52:58.07\00:53:03.83
of Mary, the resurrection of
Mary, the assumption of Mary,
00:53:03.86\00:53:07.93
and the sitting of Mary as
queen of heaven next to her son.
00:53:07.96\00:53:10.99
The Bible is absent
from all of these things.
00:53:11.02\00:53:13.84
If we believe that Mary
today is in the tomb resting,
00:53:13.87\00:53:18.29
then we must as the question,
Who is it that is appearing
00:53:18.32\00:53:22.86
and is speaking these things?
00:53:22.89\00:53:24.87
It's a very important question.
00:53:24.90\00:53:28.28
And the answer that we give
to this question will determine
00:53:28.31\00:53:33.47
whether we are deceived, or
whether we will not be deceived.
00:53:33.50\00:53:36.94
In fact what we need
to do is what Jesus did.
00:53:36.97\00:53:42.73
You see, when Jesus was tempted
by the devil in the wilderness,
00:53:42.76\00:53:50.07
the devil used
powerful arguments.
00:53:50.10\00:53:53.53
He says, If
you're the Son of God
00:53:53.56\00:53:56.17
turn these stones into bread.
00:53:56.20\00:53:57.98
And how did Jesus answer?
00:53:58.01\00:54:01.48
Jesus said, It is
what? It is written.
00:54:01.51\00:54:09.64
When the devil asked Him
to jump from the temple tower,
00:54:09.67\00:54:12.45
because God had promised in
Scripture to take Him in His
00:54:12.48\00:54:15.73
arms and save Him
before He hit the ground,
00:54:15.76\00:54:17.92
how did Jesus answer the devil?
00:54:17.95\00:54:20.77
It is written! When the devil
showed Jesus all of the kingdoms
00:54:20.80\00:54:27.14
of the world, and offered Him
all of the kingdoms of the world
00:54:27.17\00:54:30.66
how did Jesus answer the devil?
00:54:30.69\00:54:32.80
He said, It is written!
00:54:32.83\00:54:36.46
In fact we've already
noticed that Jesus never quoted
00:54:36.49\00:54:41.83
the rabbi's of His day.
00:54:41.87\00:54:44.06
He never went to
the rabbinical schools.
00:54:44.09\00:54:46.58
He wasn't caught up
in their traditions.
00:54:46.61\00:54:49.64
Because Jesus was
seeped with the word of God,
00:54:49.67\00:54:54.54
every controversy, every
teaching was based on the
00:54:54.57\00:54:59.05
Scriptures of the Old Testament.
00:54:59.08\00:55:01.07
In fact after He resurrected
and He spoke to these two
00:55:01.10\00:55:04.12
disciples on the road to Emmaus,
we're told that beginning with
00:55:04.15\00:55:07.97
Moses, and from all the
prophets, He declared in all
00:55:08.00\00:55:11.07
of the Scriptures the
things concerning Himself.
00:55:11.11\00:55:14.15
And later on when He
appears to the disciples
00:55:14.18\00:55:17.00
in the upper room, in Luke 24:
44, 45 it not only says that He
00:55:17.03\00:55:22.31
spoke to them from
Moses, and from the prophets,
00:55:22.34\00:55:25.15
but it also says there
that He spoke to them the things
00:55:25.18\00:55:29.54
concerning
Himself from the Psalms.
00:55:29.57\00:55:32.70
In other words, the
Psalms were centered in Jesus.
00:55:32.73\00:55:35.69
In other words, the
church is based on Scripture.
00:55:35.72\00:55:41.65
Our only protection at the
end of time will be to know
00:55:41.68\00:55:46.60
our Bibles, to accept the truths
of the Bible, and to live by the
00:55:46.63\00:55:53.31
truths of the holy Scriptures.
00:55:53.34\00:55:55.84
And so any voice that
purportedly is speaking
00:55:55.87\00:56:00.40
we need to compare
what these voices are saying
00:56:00.43\00:56:04.46
with the Holy Word of God.
00:56:04.49\00:56:06.81
And as we've seen,
this purported Mary speaks
00:56:06.84\00:56:10.76
many beautiful things: family
values, the ten commandments,
00:56:10.79\00:56:14.58
peace, love, prayer.
00:56:14.61\00:56:17.28
She condemns the
social ills of society.
00:56:17.31\00:56:20.20
You know, she says that
the anti-Christ is going to
00:56:20.23\00:56:22.75
sit in the church.
00:56:22.78\00:56:24.00
I mean she says a lot of things
that are contained in Scripture.
00:56:24.03\00:56:27.91
But the problem is she has a
lot of teachings, as we noticed,
00:56:27.94\00:56:32.99
that are in open contradiction
to the Bible, and God does not
00:56:33.03\00:56:38.07
contradict Himself.
00:56:38.10\00:56:39.27
You would expect that if
Mary is in heaven with her Son,
00:56:39.30\00:56:45.15
she has a direct
access to the total truth.
00:56:45.19\00:56:48.56
So the question is, if she's
sitting next to her Son who is
00:56:48.60\00:56:52.30
the truth, we would expect
her to come down to this earth
00:56:52.34\00:56:56.50
and to speak the unvarnished,
and the untarnished truth.
00:56:56.54\00:57:00.79
But the fact is that many
of these teachings are not
00:57:00.82\00:57:05.04
contained in the
Holy Word of God.
00:57:05.08\00:57:07.36
Isaiah 8:20 is a text with
which I would like to conclude.
00:57:07.39\00:57:15.32
The prophet Isaiah said
to the Israelites in his day,
00:57:15.36\00:57:18.44
To the law and to the testimony,
if they speak not according
00:57:18.48\00:57:23.58
to this word it is because
there is no light in them.
00:57:23.62\00:57:29.60