Mary the Mother of Jesus

The Final Dogma

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00:37 Shall we bow our heads for prayer?
00:39 Our Father and Our God, we're so thankful for the opportunity
00:43 of opening Your Word, and we ask for the guidance
00:47 our Your Holy Spirit.
00:48 I ask, Father, that those who are viewing this programming
00:54 might have open hearts, and open minds to the voice
00:58 of Your Holy Spirit.
00:59 And we thank You, Father, for hearing our prayer
01:02 for we ask it in the precious name of Jesus, Amen.
01:05 In our study today we are going to deal with the final dogma.
01:13 And in order to understand the final dogma
01:16 we need to understand, first of all, the first four dogmas
01:20 that the Roman Catholic Church entertains about Mary,
01:25 the mother of Jesus.
01:26 I would like to begin by reading a statement that was found
01:31 in the Fresno Bee, our local newspaper, on August 30, 1997.
01:38 Basically, this is what the article in the newspaper said:
01:43 The Catholic Church holds four dogmas about Mary.
01:49 The word dogma means doctrine, or teaching.
01:52 Four dogmas. By the way, they can't be changed.
01:55 Mary is believed to be the mother of God.
01:58 That's number one.
02:00 And her virginity is said to be perpetual.
02:04 That's number two.
02:05 In the nineteenth century the church declared the immaculate
02:11 conception of Mary, meaning she was free from the stain of sin
02:16 from the moment of her conception.
02:18 This is number three.
02:19 And forty-seven years ago the assumption was declared.
02:24 That dogma, celebrated with a fast day, Friday,
02:29 says that after her earthly life
02:32 Mary was assumed into heaven.
02:35 That's number four.
02:37 So the four dogmas which have been proclaimed infallibly
02:42 in the Roman Catholic Church are Mary, the mother of God,
02:46 the perpetual virginity of Mary, and the third place,
02:50 the immaculate conception of Mary,
02:52 and finally, the assumption of Mary.
02:55 Now I would like to deal with each one of these separately,
03:00 and then I would like to speak about a fifth dogma
03:04 which is being discussed very vividly within the communion
03:09 of the Roman Catholic scholarly world.
03:12 Let's deal, first of all, with the idea that Mary
03:16 is the mother of God.
03:17 This, basically, was adopted in two early church councils:
03:22 One was the Council of Ephesus, in the year 431,
03:26 and the second was in the Council of Chalcedon,
03:30 in the year 451. Basically, the word which was adopted was
03:36 that Mary is Theotokos.
03:39 That is a Greek word that means that she gave birth to God.
03:45 Now we need to understand in what sense this was adopted
03:49 into the Roman Catholic Church.
03:52 Because this has been greatly misunderstood by many people.
03:55 You see, there was a heretic that arose at that time.
03:58 His name was Nestorius.
04:00 And he taught that when Jesus was born from Mary,
04:04 it was only the human Jesus who was born from Mary,
04:10 not the divine human Jesus, just the human Jesus.
04:17 And the purpose of the Council of Ephesus and Chalcedon
04:21 was the emphasize that when Mary brought Jesus into the
04:24 world, He was both God and man.
04:27 Now Chalcedon was not trying to teach that Mary was the mother
04:32 of the divinity of Jesus.
04:33 They were simply trying to teach that Mary brought Jesus
04:38 into the world, and Jesus had two natures: His divine nature,
04:42 which existed before His incarnation,
04:44 and His human nature, which was being born at the moment
04:48 of the birth of Jesus.
04:51 Let me read you the key words in the declaration
04:55 that was made at Chalcedon.
04:57 This is what the church council said: Born of the virgin Mary,
05:03 the mother of God, according to His manhood.
05:08 So clearly, Chalcedon said that Mary was the mother of God
05:15 with respect to the manhood of Jesus, not His divinity.
05:19 In fact, in Roman Catholic circles scholars recognize
05:24 very clearly that Mary was not the mother of God
05:28 in the strictest sense of the word.
05:29 Allow me to read you this statement.
05:31 It's in a pamphlet published by the Knights of Columbus.
05:34 The Mother of Jesus, page 9.
05:37 This is what the writer of this document says:
06:04 Having said that, however, what theologians teach,
06:08 and what the common people believe,
06:10 many times are two different things.
06:12 You see, the theologians make these distinctions between
06:16 well, you know, Mary was not the mother of God
06:18 in the strictest sense.
06:19 She was the mother of the divine human, Jesus.
06:22 In other words, when Jesus came into the world from Mary,
06:25 He was human, and He was also divine.
06:27 But, of course, His divinity existed before
06:29 He came into the world.
06:30 Theologians make those distinctions,
06:32 but the common populous do not.
06:35 And so most Catholics that I have come into contact with
06:38 in Latin America, when you say that Mary was the mother of God,
06:42 they understand it to mean that Mary was the mother of God
06:46 in the strictest sense.
06:48 They don't think of Mary simply as the mother
06:51 of the human nature of Jesus.
06:53 By the way, the Bible never calls Mary the mother of God.
06:58 The Bible consistently calls Mary the mother of Jesus.
07:04 And furthermore, the Bible makes it very clear that Jesus
07:09 was the Creator of Mary.
07:10 Because we're told in Colossians 1 that Jesus created all things.
07:15 And so the first dogma is acceptable as long as we realize
07:22 that the emphasis is that Mary brought the divine human child
07:28 into the world, but Mary is not the mother of the divine
07:32 nature of Jesus Christ.
07:35 Now the second dogma that the Roman Catholic Church has
07:39 adopted concerning Mary, is the idea of the perpetual
07:43 virginity of Mary.
07:45 Basically this teaches that Mary was a virgin when Jesus
07:50 was conceived in her womb.
07:51 She was also a virgin after Jesus was born.
07:55 And furthermore, she remained a virgin the rest of her life.
08:00 In other words, Joseph never had sexual relations with Mary ever
08:05 in the times that they were married.
08:07 So, basically, three ideas: 1. When Jesus was
08:13 conceived she was a virgin.
08:15 2. When Jesus was born she remained a virgin.
08:17 3. And all the rest of her life she also was a virgin.
08:21 Now why would the Roman Catholic Church teach such an idea?
08:24 You see, as you examine Roman Catholic theology,
08:28 you discover that sexual relations in Roman Catholicism
08:33 are looked upon as something negative.
08:37 Primarily from the times of Saint Augustine,
08:39 who had problems with sex himself,
08:42 with his sexual desires.
08:45 He came up with the idea that original sin was sexual sin.
08:49 And, therefore, from that time on sexual relations,
08:54 even within marriage, are looked upon as something
08:58 somewhat negative.
08:59 In fact the idea is that sexual relations within marriage
09:04 should exist primarily for the purpose of procreation.
09:09 And that's why artificial contraceptives are forbidden
09:13 even within the marriage relation.
09:15 Because the idea is that if you use contraceptives,
09:18 you're having sex for pleasure.
09:20 And sex only exists for procreation.
09:22 Furthermore, the idea of celibacy in the priesthood
09:26 comes from this idea that sexual relations is something to be
09:31 looked down upon, something negative, something defiling.
09:35 And so the idea is how can a spiritual leader actually defile
09:40 himself by having sexual relations with a woman?
09:44 So basically there's this negative view of sexuality,
09:48 except for the purpose of procreation.
09:50 And as a result, the idea is that Mary could not have had
09:55 sexual relations with Joseph, even after the moment
09:58 that Jesus was born.
10:00 Therefore the Council of Trent said, If anyone should say that
10:06 the marriage state is better than celibacy,
10:09 let him be accursed.
10:11 So in Roman Catholicism the idea is that celibacy is much better
10:16 than the state of marriage.
10:18 I'd like to read you a statement that's written by
10:22 a Roman Catholic scholar in the book, Mary in the Bible,
10:25 Questions and Answers, page 26.
10:27 Notice the rationale that he gives for Mary never having had
10:32 sexual relations after Jesus was brought into the world.
10:37 He says this:
11:06 Now it's true that the womb of Mary had not known a child
11:10 before the birth of Jesus, but there's no Biblical evidence
11:13 that the womb of Mary did not know a child after
11:17 the birth of Jesus.
11:18 In the same book we find this statement:
11:54 He cited eight texts where tradition is used,
11:58 but it's dealing with the tradition which was held by the
12:01 apostles; the written tradition of Scripture.
12:03 It's not talking about oral tradition.
12:06 So, basically, this scholar is saying that the Bible does not
12:10 prove or disprove the perpetual virginity of Mary.
12:13 And when it's not clear in the Bible, then the Roman Catholic
12:16 Church simply uses tradition to define exactly
12:21 what was it that took place.
12:23 Now the Bible's very clear that God created marriage.
12:28 Jesus created marriage.
12:29 Marriage is good. Jesus created human beings with sexual organs
12:34 which means that there's nothing wrong with having sexual
12:37 relations within the state of marriage.
12:39 Jesus honored marriage by attending a wedding at Cana.
12:44 And He performed His first miracle at this wedding.
12:48 Furthermore, we're told in Scripture that Joseph did not
12:51 know Mary until Jesus had been born, which gives the impression
12:57 that Joseph did know Mary after this.
13:00 Furthermore Scripture tells us that Jesus was the firstborn
13:03 of Mary, which would seem to indicate that if He was the
13:06 firstborn, there probably were other children as a result of
13:10 this marriage relationship.
13:12 Now lets move on to the third dogma of the
13:14 Roman Catholic Church: the idea of the immaculate
13:18 conception of Mary.
13:19 Basically, this was proclaimed by Pious IX in his
13:25 encyclical, Ineffabilis Deus.
13:28 And basically what he says in this encyclical is that Mary
13:33 did not suffer the result of Adam's sin.
13:36 In other words, she came with the nature of
13:39 Adam before the fall.
13:40 She came with Adam's unfallen nature, in other words.
13:46 Allow me to read you the statement from the encyclical,
13:51 the key statement where Pope Pius IX proclaims this dogma.
13:56 He says this:
14:33 Now it's very interesting, as you look at the early tradition
14:39 of the Roman Catholic Church, there were many of the early
14:41 fathers that did not believe in the doctrine of
14:44 the immaculate conception.
14:45 You know, the Roman Catholic Church speaks about the uniform
14:51 tradition of the fathers in defining a dogma.
14:55 But a certain theologian says this: Even tradition,
14:58 the usual refuge of Roman Catholics,
15:01 contradicts this Papal dogma.
15:03 Augustine, Ambrose, Krisitom, Eusebius, Anselm,
15:10 Cardinal Khaitan, Saint Antoninus, St. Thomas Aquinas,
15:15 Pope Gregory the Great, Pope Innocent III,
15:18 and many other fathers, doctors, saints, and pope's
15:23 of the Roman Church clearly deny that Mary was conceived
15:27 without original sin.
15:29 So even the Roman Catholic Church has a series of very
15:33 famous scholars, and very famous doctors of the church,
15:36 and very famous early fathers, who did not believe in the
15:41 immaculate conception of Mary.
15:44 In fact, not only in the immaculate conception of Mary,
15:48 but the fact that Mary actually never committed
15:52 any sin in her life.
15:54 Now it's interesting to notice that the Bible tells us
15:58 that Jesus was born that holy thing, and that Jesus
16:03 was tempted in all things such as we are, but He never sinned.
16:07 But the fact is that the Bible never says that Mary was
16:11 actually immaculate during the whole period of her life;
16:15 that she did not inherit the sinful nature of Adam,
16:19 and that she never actually committed any sin,
16:22 whether it be venial or whether it be mortal sin.
16:25 The Bible is silent about any of these things concerning Mary.
16:29 In fact the Bible tells us very clearly that all have sinned
16:34 and come short of the glory of God.
16:36 There is none righteous, no not one.
16:40 And so what the Bible says about Jesus, the Roman Catholic Church
16:45 attributes to Mary without any Biblical
16:48 justification whatsoever.
16:50 Now the fourth dogma of the Roman Catholic Church is the
16:54 idea of the assumption of Mary into heaven after her death.
16:59 In fact this dogma was proclaimed in an encyclical
17:04 by Pope Pius XII, November 1, 1950.
17:08 And the name of the encyclical is Munificentissimus Deus.
17:13 And this is what he said in this encyclical:
17:49 Now it's interesting to notice in the book that we spoke about
17:54 in a previous lecture, The Glories of Mary,
17:57 actually a compilation of the Roman Catholic,
18:00 Wisdom Concerning Mary, up until the 17th century.
18:03 St. Alphonsus Liguori wrote this book.
18:06 It's interesting to notice the sequence of events that he
18:10 presents concerning Mary as she neared her death,
18:14 after her death, and what happened after her resurrection.
18:18 Allow me to go through this very quickly, and you tell me
18:23 if any of this is actually found anywhere in Holy Scripture.
18:28 None of it is. Basically the idea is that after Jesus
18:32 ascended to heaven, Mary stayed on earth assisting the apostles
18:37 in their work of evangelism.
18:39 In fact, according to Liguori, she solved their doubts,
18:44 comforted them in their persecutions,
18:47 and encouraged them to labor for the divine glory,
18:50 and the salvation of redeemed souls.
18:53 Also Liguori says that she consoled her loving heart,
18:58 because she missed Jesus so much, that she visited the holy
19:02 sites in Palestine that had been made famous by Jesus.
19:07 Supposedly, according to Liguori, a few days before
19:11 her death, the Lord sent the archangel Gabriel,
19:15 who said to her the following words: Come then to take
19:19 possession of thy kingdom for I, and all its holy inhabitants
19:25 await and desire thee.
19:27 She then shared this information with the apostle John.
19:32 And then, according to Liguori, she once again did a tour of
19:36 all of the holy sites that had been made famous by her Son.
19:40 During this period, according to Liguori, Mary was accompanied
19:46 constantly by the angels.
19:48 Liguori continues saying, that shortly before her death,
19:53 all of the disciples, even though some of them,
19:55 at this point, had already died.
19:57 All of the disciples were miraculously gathered or
20:01 assembled in Mary's room.
20:03 And she informed them that she was going to leave,
20:06 and she was going to go to Paradise to intercede
20:09 and to pray for them.
20:10 In fact Liguori says that the disciples complained
20:16 when she said this.
20:17 These are the words: We have already lost on earth Jesus,
20:21 our Master and Father, who has ascended into heaven.
20:25 Until now we have found conciliation in thee...
20:28 They're speaking to Mary.
20:29 ...our Mother, and now how canst thou also leave us orphans?
20:35 It's interesting. Jesus says, I'm not going to
20:38 leave you orphans.
20:39 But He didn't say, I'm not going to leave you orphans because
20:42 I'm going to leave you Mary.
20:43 He said, I'm not going to leave you orphans,
20:45 because I'm going to send you the Holy Spirit.
20:47 He uses that very word.
20:49 And then she responds to the disciples by saying,
20:52 I do not leave you to abandon you, but to help you still more
20:58 in heaven by my intercession with God.
21:01 And then she told the disciples to bury her body
21:05 after she had died.
21:06 And she gave two of her gowns to two virgins who had helped
21:11 her throughout her life.
21:13 Then she called the apostle Peter and told him that he was
21:17 going to be the head of the church, and that he would be
21:19 in charge of the propagation of the faith.
21:22 Then she called John and thanked him for taking care of her
21:26 after Jesus went to heaven.
21:28 And then the angels finally came, along with Jesus,
21:33 and Jesus gave Mary her last communion.
21:36 And Jesus spoke these words to Mary: Receive, O My Mother,
21:40 from My hands that same body that thou gavest to Me.
21:46 And then as she was breathing her last, she said these words:
21:50 My Son, into Thy hands do I commend my spirit.
21:56 Then the angels bore Mary to heaven, according to this story.
22:00 It almost reads like a fairy tale, doesn't it?
22:02 And as they approached the city of God, the angels who
22:07 accompanied her cried out to those who were within the city,
22:11 Lift up your gates, O ye princes, and be ye lifted up
22:17 O eternal gates, and the queen of glory shall enter in.
22:21 By the way, that's a variation of Psalm 24 which was sung when
22:26 Jesus entered the heavenly Jerusalem.
22:28 And then she arrives in heaven, and she's praised by a certain
22:35 group of individuals in their proper order.
22:37 Let me tell you what the order is.
22:39 First she's praised by angels, then by saints,
22:41 then by confessors, then by martyrs, then by Saint James,
22:45 then by the prophets, then the patriarchs, then Adam and Eve,
22:48 then Saint Simeon, then Saint Zachary, Saint Elizabeth,
22:51 Saint John the Baptist, Saint Joachim, Saint Anne, and finally
22:56 she is greeted by her very own husband, Saint Joseph.
23:00 But that's not all.
23:03 Finally, this is what Liguori says is the capstone
23:08 of this experience: The Father crowned her by
23:12 imparting His power to her, and the Son His wisdom,
23:17 the Holy Ghost His love.
23:19 And the three divine persons, placing her throne at the right
23:24 hand of that of Jesus, declared her sovereign
23:29 of heaven and earth, and commanded the angels,
23:32 and all creatures to acknowledge her as their queen,
23:37 and as such to serve and to obey her.
23:41 Now you tell me where in Scripture do
23:43 you find any of that?
23:44 You don't find that anywhere.
23:47 You can find it in Apocryphal Gospels way back in the second
23:52 and the third century, but you look in vain in Scripture
23:55 for even any reference to the death of Mary.
23:58 The last reference that we find in Scripture is Acts 1:14 where
24:04 we're told that Mary was in the upper room with the apostles.
24:07 By the way, do you know that Pope Gelasius I, who lived in
24:12 the fifth century, condemned the idea of
24:16 the assumption of Mary?
24:17 He was a Pope of the Roman Catholic Church
24:20 in the fifth century: Gelasius I.
24:22 He condemned the idea of the assumption of Mary.
24:24 But, interestingly enough, Pius XII, another Pope,
24:28 said that Gelasius was wrong, and that Mary
24:32 was assumed to heaven.
24:33 And he said this in the year 1950.
24:36 Now listen to what Karl Keating, a Roman Catholic theologian
24:39 has to say about the assumption of Mary.
24:42 He's criticizing fundamentalist Protestant theologians,
24:44 and he says this:
24:51 That is for the assumption.
24:55 Says Karl Keating.
25:16 So just because the church teaches it, and the church says
25:20 it's true, therefore it is true.
25:22 That's some kind of circular reasoning.
25:25 As I mentioned, the last mention of Mary in the
25:30 Bible is in Acts 1:14.
25:32 And when you ask the Roman Catholic Church, Why would God
25:35 assume Mary to heaven?
25:36 They say, Well, He assumed Elijah, and He assumed Enoch
25:41 to heaven, and Mary was much more immanent than they.
25:45 And as you read the sources you find expressions such as this:
25:48 It was imminently fitting.
25:50 It was most appropriate.
25:53 There is a long tradition.
25:56 But never do you find a single reference from Scripture
26:01 to support any idea about the assumption of Mary to heaven.
26:05 Now we know that Mary, in recent years, and I put Mary in
26:10 quotation marks, has been appearing in different
26:13 parts of the earth.
26:14 Now if this is not Mary, the question is who is it?
26:19 I'm going to throw out that question for now because we're
26:22 going to deal with that in our last lecture.
26:23 You know, if Mary really is in the tomb awaiting the call
26:28 of Jesus, who will descend from heaven with a shout,
26:31 with the voice of the arch angel, and the trump of God,
26:33 there's someone who's appearing all over the earth;
26:36 purportedly she says she's Mary.
26:39 The question is if it's not Mary, who would it be?
26:42 We'll deal with that a little bit later.
26:46 The Roman Catholic Church uses Revelation 12:1 to say that
26:50 Mary is in heaven.
26:51 You know, it speaks about this woman who is clothed
26:53 with the sun, and moon is under her feet, and on her head
26:55 she has a crown of twelve stars.
26:57 They say, See, this is Mary.
26:58 Because she's with child, and the child's about to be born.
27:01 What they don't realize is that Mary is standing on the moon,
27:06 and she's clothed with the sun, and she has the crown of twelve
27:09 stars on her head before Jesus is born.
27:12 They use this scene to say that this is after Mary has been
27:15 enthroned in heaven and she's been crowned, that she has this
27:18 crown of twelve stars.
27:19 But the fact is she's depicted that way.
27:21 This woman is depicted that way before Jesus even is born.
27:24 So this is not talking about the glorification of Mary.
27:27 Furthermore, the Bible says that for 1,260 years the woman,
27:33 this woman, fled to the wilderness.
27:35 Well, how could the woman flee into the
27:38 wilderness if this was Mary?
27:39 I thought she would be heaven, not in the wilderness.
27:41 Furthermore, in the Bible a day is equal to a year.
27:46 This would mean 1, 260 years.
27:48 The fact is that according to Roman Catholic theology,
27:52 all during this church period Mary was not on earth at all.
27:56 Mary was interceding with her Son, and through the Son,
28:02 with the Father in heaven.
28:04 By the way, Scripture makes it very clear that this woman
28:07 represents the saints.
28:09 This woman represents the church.
28:11 Because the little horn it says persecutes the saints
28:16 of the Most High, for time, times, and the dividing of time.
28:20 Revelation 12 says that the woman is persecuted
28:23 for the same period of time: time, times,
28:26 and the dividing of time.
28:27 So you compare those two.
28:28 The saints in Daniel 7 are the same as the
28:31 woman in Revelation 12.
28:34 Now we need to dedicate some time to talk about a final dogma
28:39 which has been discussed within the Roman Catholic Church.
28:43 It has not been proclaimed as a dogma yet, but there is a
28:47 great amount of discussion concerning this.
28:50 And it is the idea that Mary is 1. Coredemptrix with Jesus.
28:57 2. Advocate with the Father.
29:02 3. Mediatrix of all graces between the Father
29:07 and the human race.
29:08 Allow me to read you a couple of statements here.
29:12 These are from Saint Alphonsus Liguori where he explains
29:17 how Mary actually is coredemptrix along with Jesus.
29:24 This is found on page 397 of his book, The Glories of Mary.
29:29 Speaking about the early years of Mary, when she actually took
29:34 Jesus to the temple to dedicate Him when He was 8 years old,
29:37 we find this statement: She, that is Mary, fully understood
29:41 from the prophets that He was to be betrayed
29:44 by one of His disciples.
29:45 There's no indication in the Bible that she fully believed
29:49 that He was going to be betrayed by one of His disciples.
29:52 He goes on to say that Mary knew that the disciples would forsake
29:57 Jesus, that He would be treated with contempt, that He would be
30:01 spit upon and derided by the people.
30:03 She knew that at the end of His life His flesh would be torn
30:07 and mangled by scourges.
30:08 She knew that He was to be pierced by nails.
30:11 And yet knowing all of this...
30:37 Here's another statement that we find on page 40 of Liguori.
30:41 And this is a particularly significant statement.
30:44 He quotes words by Andrew of Crete,
30:48 and these are the words: The wills of Christ, and of Mary,
30:54 were then united so that both offered the same holocaust.
31:02 Holocaust means sacrifice.
31:04 So their hearts were united.
31:06 They offered the same sacrifice.
31:08 She therefore producing with Him the one effect:
31:14 the salvation of the world.
31:16 In other words, they both became Saviors of the world,
31:19 because their wills were merged, and they offered
31:22 the one sacrifice.
31:23 He continues saying: At the death of Jesus, Mary united her
31:28 will to that of her Son.
31:30 So much so that both offered one and the same sacrifice.
31:37 And therefore the holy abbot says that both the Son,
31:42 and the mother effected human redemption,
31:46 and obtained salvation for men.
31:49 Jesus, by satisfying for our sins, Mary by obtaining the
31:56 application of this satisfaction to us.
32:00 In other words, Jesus paid for the satisfaction of sin,
32:03 but then Mary is able to be our advocate before the Father,
32:08 because she participated in the sacrifice, and she's able to
32:11 mediate all of the graces that come from God to us.
32:16 In other words Jesus paid the sacrifice portion,
32:20 and she does the advocacy, and the mediatorial function.
32:25 Because they both participated, according to this view,
32:28 in the redemption of the human race.
32:31 He continues saying: Hence Denis the Carthusian also
32:37 asserts that the Devine Mother can be called
32:41 the Savior of the world, since by the pain that she endured
32:45 in commiserating her Son, willingly sacrificed by her
32:51 to divine justice, she merited that through her prayers
32:55 the merits of the passion of the Redeemer should be
32:58 communicated to men.
33:00 In other words, Jesus offered the sacrifice,
33:02 but Mary is the one who can distribute the benefits
33:06 of the sacrifice of Jesus, because her will was merged
33:10 with the will of Jesus, and they offered the
33:12 same sacrifice to God.
33:15 Now it's probably well known that John Paul II, who was Pope
33:20 until recently, was very devoted to Mary.
33:23 In fact he greatly admired the Virgin Mary.
33:28 On his coat of arms he had the inscription,
33:31 Totus tuus sum, Maria, in other words, I'm all yours, Mary.
33:37 In fact inside his pontifical robes he had written,
33:41 Totus tuus, all yours; referring to Mary.
33:44 In fact he consecrated Russia to the Virgin Mary.
33:48 And shortly thereafter the communist block
33:52 in Eastern Europe, and in the former Soviet Union failed.
33:56 He believed that his life had been spared by
34:00 the Virgin Mary when he was shot.
34:02 In fact John Paul II visited almost every single Marian
34:06 shrine in the whole world.
34:08 On March 25, 1987 he published a very important encyclical.
34:14 The name of it was Redemptoris Mater, Mother the Redeemer.
34:19 And basically in this encyclical he splashed a whole bunch of
34:23 Scripture that has absolutely nothing to do with Mary.
34:27 Texts drawn out of context with the purpose of trying to
34:30 convince people that the idea of Mary as the coredemptrix
34:35 actually has a Biblical foundation.
34:38 In fact John Paul II six times in his writings referred to Mary
34:45 directly as coredemptrix.
34:49 This is more times than any Pope in the history of
34:52 the Roman Catholic Church.
34:54 In fact allow me to read you some statements from
34:57 John Paul II to this effect.
34:59 He quotes Philippians 2:5-8 and then he says this:
35:11 Because it talks about Jesus emptying Himself.
35:17 Which means emptying.
35:31 So she shares in the death of her Son in His redeeming death,
35:39 according to John Paul II.
35:41 In another statement we find John Paul II saying this:
35:45 In this way Mary's motherhood continues unceasingly
35:51 in the church as the mediation which intercedes.
35:55 And the church expresses her faith in this truth by invoking
36:01 May under the titles of Advocate, Augxiliatrix,
36:07 that is helper, Adjutrix, and Mediatrix.
36:11 In an address that he gave in Nagasaki in Japan,
36:15 John Paul II says this:
36:21 In a speech that he gave in Argentina he said these words:
36:42 In other words Mary, because she is coredemptrix,
36:46 she is also our advocate before her Son, so that her Son then
36:51 can be the Advocate before His Father.
36:55 We also notice in the encyclical, Salvifici Doloris,
37:01 that John Paul II says this:
37:06 That is Mary's ascent of Calvary.
37:23 You know, there's a theologian, I believe he's a Spanish
37:26 theologian, Mark Miravalle, who before the death of John Paul II
37:31 did a signature gathering campaign to try to get as many
37:37 Catholics as possible to write to John Paul II so that he would
37:40 proclaim this last dogma.
37:43 By the way, the dogma would be that Mary is coredemptrix
37:47 of humanity, mediatrix of all graces,
37:51 and advocate for the people of God.
37:54 He gathered millions of signatures that were sent to
37:58 John Paul II so that he would proclaim this final dogma
38:02 that Mary is coredemptrix, advocate,
38:06 and also mediatrix of all graces.
38:09 In fact in the same article that I referred to earlier
38:14 in the Fresno Bee, we find this very revealing statement:
38:21 Speculation centers on the possibility that
38:25 Pope John Paul II may declare as dogma that Mary is
38:30 coredemptrix of humanity, mediatrix of all graces,
38:34 and advocate for the people of God.
38:38 Now we know that it didn't happen.
38:39 But the subject is still being agitated far-and-wide within the
38:44 Roman Catholic Church.
38:45 And there are millions of Catholics, both among the clergy
38:50 and the laity, who are pushing for the Pope Benedict XVI
38:56 to proclaim a fifth dogma, which would be that Mary is
39:00 coredemptrix, advocate, and mediatrix of all graces.
39:04 Notice what Mark Miravalle has to say about the reason why Mary
39:10 should be looked at as the coredemptrix. He says this:
39:33 Coredemptrix means that she's co-redeemer.
39:35 In fact he goes so far as to say that if Mary had said no to God,
39:41 if she had said, No, I don't want to have Jesus,
39:44 there would have been no plan of salvation.
39:46 And, therefore, the whole human race would have been lost.
39:50 So when Mary consented to be the mother of Jesus,
39:53 she should be looked upon as coredemptrix of the human race.
39:58 Now because she's coredemptrix, according to Roman Catholic
40:02 theology, she also is the advocate for the people of God.
40:06 Allow me to read a statement from the declaration which was
40:11 given at Vatican Lumen Gentium, it's paragraph 62,
40:16 The Light of the World.
40:18 This is what it says:
40:44 So she not only is coredemptrix, she also is our advocate
40:49 with Jesus, and then Jesus is the advocate with the Father.
40:53 But not only does she represent us before Jesus,
40:57 according to this new dogma, but also all of the graces that
41:01 come from Jesus to us must come from the Father, to Jesus,
41:05 through Mary, to the human race.
41:07 In fact allow me to quote from Pope Leo XIII:
41:30 A few years ago in an article in Newsweek magazine
41:33 Kenneth Woodward, writing about this dogma, had this very
41:40 interesting statement to make, speaking about the drive to have
41:45 the Roman Catholic Church proclaim this dogma:
42:26 And he continues saying this... and by the way, Woodward
42:30 is a Roman Catholic. He says:
42:49 By the way, this petition was examined,
42:53 the possibility of this dogma was examined in June of 1997
42:59 by 23 theologians of the Roman Catholic Church;
43:02 expert merilogists.
43:04 And they voted 23 to nothing to table it and to not
43:08 proclaim this dogma.
43:10 So you say, It's a dead issue.
43:12 Do you want to know the reason why they said that this dogma
43:17 should not be proclaimed at this time?
43:19 They said out of ecumenical considerations.
43:23 In other words, it would not be beneficial at this time
43:26 to proclaim this dogma.
43:28 Because Protestants would not want to have a union
43:32 of the churches, because they're already exasperated
43:35 by other dogmas that have been proclaimed by the
43:37 Roman Catholic Church.
43:38 But as Protestants cast aside more and more of the shield of
43:42 truth, which is the Bible, and more and more they adopt the
43:45 Roman Catholic view of Mary, the question is,
43:47 Is the time coming when Protestants will be ready to
43:51 accept even this idea? particularly in times of
43:55 national calamities, in times when you have to have somebody
43:59 who is going to save the human race from annihilation.
44:03 Which is the picture, by the way, that is presented not only
44:06 in the book, The Great Controversy, but which is
44:08 presented in the book as we we'll notice in our next lecture,
44:11 The Thunder of Justice, by two Roman Catholics.
44:14 They say that because of the wickedness of the world
44:16 Mary is going to send a message that God is sending calamities
44:19 upon the world until everybody shapes up.
44:22 You know, in times of calamities and huge world disasters
44:27 people will do strange things, and people will come together.
44:30 If you don't think so, just remember what happened in 2001.
44:35 At least for a short period after this everybody
44:37 started going to church.
44:38 And everybody said, We're all brothers.
44:40 And everybody helped one another in the streets.
44:42 And people bought out Bibles in the Christian bookstores.
44:46 In other words, there was this spirit during this time after
44:50 the disaster on September 11, 2001.
44:53 That's the same scenario that Scripture portrays.
44:56 By the way, if you want to know where to find the best
45:00 contemporary description of this dogma, the best place would be
45:04 in Mel Gibson's movie, The Passion of the Christ.
45:08 You say, Now how is this?
45:10 Well, the fact is that if you carefully look at
45:13 The Passion of the Christ, you're going to notice that it
45:16 really is not the story of Jesus.
45:19 It's the story of Jesus looked at through the eyes of Mary.
45:23 If you look carefully, you're going to find that in this movie
45:28 Mary is a partner in the sufferings of Jesus.
45:32 In fact, she's the one who comforts Him.
45:35 She's the one who encourages Him seven times
45:39 when He falls on the via Dolorosa.
45:41 She is the one who wipes up the blood that is left
45:44 after Jesus is flogged.
45:46 She is the one who takes the body of Jesus
45:48 down from the cross.
45:50 She is the one who holds Jesus in her arms when He's
45:53 at the foot of the cross.
45:54 In other words, from the cradle to the grave,
45:57 Mary is participating in the sufferings,
46:02 and in the redemption of Jesus.
46:04 She's not actually sacrificed herself, but she is offering
46:09 her son in sacrifice, and she's empathizing, and sympathizing.
46:13 Her will is welded and blended with that of her son.
46:16 Therefore she can intercede with her son with us because she went
46:20 through the experience.
46:21 And she can give the graces from Jesus Christ to us,
46:25 because she has participated in the experience.
46:28 Her will and her feelings are blended, and they are welded
46:32 with those of Jesus.
46:34 It's interesting to notice what Mel Gibson said about his movie.
46:38 You know, you talk about Protestants and Catholics
46:41 joining together in the idea of Mary.
46:45 You know, Mel Gibson himself expressed it in a very
46:47 interesting way in an interview in Christianity Today in 2004.
46:52 He says this: I have been actually amazed at the way
46:57 I would say the evangelical audience has hands down
47:02 responded to this film more than any other Christian group.
47:07 He's surprised, in other words.
47:09 He says: What makes it so amazing is that
47:13 the film is so Marian.
47:15 So he's surprised how Protestants have
47:18 responded to this movie.
47:20 In fact Rick Warren, who is pastor of the Saddleback Church
47:25 in Arizona; a huge church, actually I think it's in
47:29 Southern California.
47:30 He said this about the movie: The film is brilliant,
47:34 Biblical; a masterpiece.
47:37 And as you look at the film you notice that there's all sorts
47:41 of information that has nothing to do whatsoever with Scripture.
47:45 Billy Graham said this about the movie: Every time I preach,
47:49 or speak about the cross, the things I saw on the screen
47:54 will be on my heart, and in my mind.
47:57 Ted Haggard, the president of the National Association of
48:01 Evangelicals said this about Gibson's movie:
48:05 This film is probably the most accurate film historically
48:10 than anything that has ever been made in English.
48:14 So we have no hesitations.
48:16 We were watching it for Biblical accuracy and we thought it
48:20 was as close as you can get.
48:23 So are you saying that Protestants are not on the road
48:27 to accepting the Roman Catholic view of Mary? Absolutely.
48:31 Casting aside the shield of truth, step by step,
48:35 little by little, they've grown closer and closer to
48:38 the Roman Catholic view.
48:40 Now what kind of Biblical response can we give to this
48:44 idea that Mary is coredemptrix, that Mary is the advocate for
48:49 the people of God, and that Mary is the mediatrix of all graces.
48:54 Well, first of all, allow me to say that there are about
48:58 1.2 billion Catholics in the world.
49:01 How can Mary simultaneously hear the prayers of
49:08 1.2 billion Roman Catholics?
49:11 Well, you say, they're not all praying at the same time.
49:13 That's true. But you would have to say that there are at least
49:16 millions of them praying simultaneously.
49:19 So how can Mary hear the prayers of all of these people
49:22 at the same time, and present their prayers before her Son?
49:26 How can she understand all of the languages of the world?
49:31 She would have to be what? she would have to be omniscient.
49:35 She would have to know all things.
49:37 Furthermore, she's appearing all over the world, which means that
49:40 she would have to be omnipresent.
49:42 And to provide answers to every prayer she would have to
49:46 practically be what? omnipotent.
49:49 In other words, the prerogatives of God are attributed to her.
49:54 The Bible never says that Mary was full of grace.
49:58 The Bible says that Jesus is full of grace;
50:02 that the dispenser of grace is actually Jesus Christ.
50:06 Scripture clearly says that Jesus alone is the Redeemer.
50:11 Jesus alone is the Advocate.
50:13 Jesus alone is the One who mediates all graces
50:18 from heaven to earth.
50:19 Allow me to read you some statements from
50:23 Scripture to this effect.
50:44 Who is the Advocate according to Scripture?
50:47 Jesus Christ is the Advocate.
50:51 Notice Romans 8:34, Romans 8:34.
51:12 Who is it that makes intercession for us,
51:14 who is alive at the right hand of God?
51:16 It is Jesus Christ.
51:18 Notice Hebrews 7:25, 26.
51:21 The Bible's clear on this point.
51:37 Who lives to make intercession for them? Jesus.
51:51 Everything which is attributed to Mary,
51:53 in Roman Catholic theology.
51:56 Who does not need daily, as those high priests,
52:00 to offer up sacrifices, first for his own sins,
52:04 and then for the people's.
52:05 For this He did once and for all when He offered up Himself;
52:12 nothing about Mary offering Him.
52:15 The Bible says that He offered Himself.
52:19 He is the intercessor.
52:20 He is the Advocate before the Father.
52:23 And, by the way, He's loving, benevolent, and kind.
52:26 You don't have to think of Him as being harsh, and mean,
52:30 and needing to be appeased.
52:32 Because the Jesus in heaven is the same Jesus that healed
52:35 diseases, and cast out devils, and showed love for the
52:39 multitudes, and fed thousands of people.
52:42 He's the same Jesus in heaven today.
52:44 And, therefore, we can go directly to Jesus,
52:47 and through Jesus to the Father without any intermediary.
52:51 Now notice this very clear text in 1 Timothy 2:5, 6.
53:06 Now what part of one don't you understand?
53:08 What does one mean? this:
53:26 You know the theologian, James R. White, has made
53:30 a very good remark, and I'd like to read it at this point,
53:34 because it's so appropriate.
53:35 You see, everything that the Bible attributes to Jesus,
53:38 the Roman Catholic Church attributes to Mary.
53:40 And what he's going to show is that really is idolatry.
53:44 Notice this statement:
54:07 In other words, by creating Mary in the image of Jesus,
54:12 and having people render her homage, they are actually
54:16 creating an image of Jesus, which many people worship.
54:20 Now I know that some people in the Catholic Church say,
54:24 Well, we don't rend her latria.
54:26 We don't render her absolute worship.
54:29 We render her hyperdulia, which is better than the duliah,
54:34 which is offered to the saints, to the common ordinary saints.
54:37 The fact is the Bible does not make such distinctions.
54:41 You know, one of my favorite past times when I'm on vacation
54:44 in Colombia, is to visit the cathedrals
54:47 in the city of Median.
54:48 And do you know what I've discovered as I've examined?
54:51 I like to examine the statues, and the icons, and the artwork.
54:54 I've discovered that Mary is always presented
54:59 as the vibrant mother.
55:00 She's always surrounded by children.
55:04 She's always full of life: the benevolent mother,
55:12 the generous mother.
55:13 She's always presented with Jesus in her arms.
55:18 Even after her glorification in heaven,
55:19 according to Roman Catholic theology,
55:21 she still has the baby Jesus in her arms.
55:23 And I'm asking, After her glorification in heaven,
55:26 did Jesus never grow up?
55:27 She's the protector.
55:30 Or else Jesus is presented in her arms dead,
55:34 just taken off the cross; the famous Pieta by Michael Angelo.
55:39 You see, Jesus is the defenseless child.
55:43 Jesus is the dead Savior.
55:47 Mary is the living mother, the benevolent,
55:51 loving, beautiful mother.
55:53 You know, in my examination of these cathedrals, I discovered
55:57 that the images of Mary outnumber those of
56:00 Jesus five to one.
56:02 And, by the way, those of you who were of a Roman Catholic
56:06 background, you know that in the Hail Mary,
56:08 for every Our Father which art in heaven,
56:11 there are ten Hail Mary's.
56:13 Is that correct? those of you who have been Roman Catholics?
56:17 Absolutely! You know Mary is usually presented with a
56:20 scepter in her hand, and a crown on her head.
56:23 In other words, she is the ruler of the human race.
56:26 And, in fact, you know, the Hail Mary says,
56:30 Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.
56:32 Blessed art thou among women.
56:34 And blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
56:36 Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners now,
56:39 and at the hour of our death, Amen.
56:42 The tragic thing is that so many people are praying
56:47 and kneeling before images of Mary, asking her to intercede
56:51 before her Son, when Mary turns a deaf ear.
56:54 Because Scripture says that she is dead; she can't hear.
56:58 One time I went to a cathedral in Median,
57:00 and there was this old lady.
57:02 She was grabbing onto the feet of this image of Mary.
57:05 And with tears in her eyes she was crying out to Mary asking
57:09 her for a favor to intercede before her Son Jesus.
57:13 And I felt like screaming out, She can't hear you!
57:18 Jesus can hear you.
57:20 Because the center of the plan of salvation is Jesus.
57:24 It is not Mary.


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