Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan Nowlan
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I'm Arthur Nowlan
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And welcome to Making It Work.
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Kim, you know about all
the different tragedies we've
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heard with many of our guests
and some of the difficulties
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that they experienced. Well
today we need to talk about some
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of the things that recently
happened to us and it was pretty
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devastating. I think it
caught both of us off guard,
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what about you?
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Oh definitely. What Arthur is
speaking of on April 9, 2013 the
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medical building where
we've practiced now for 22 years
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caught fire and burned
completely to the ground.
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It was devastating, it was
shocking, it was so unexpected.
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I had worked Sunday, Monday
week before, no problem, but
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Tuesday morning we received
a call at 9:05 that there was
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shooting in our building and
hostages had been taken and our
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building was on fire.
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That was really, really
devastating as you indicated.
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I guess my question to you:
Why did you move in in the first
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place when you first opened the
business, because you started
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this business. Oh yes. But
what made you move into that
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community? Well, I
didn't want to move into
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that community. I had been prior
in downtown Detroit in one of
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the nice high-rise buildings
but some things had happened.
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I knew God was constantly
speaking to me and the Lord
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showed me a building. I was
asleep. I saw the building and
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I remember the scripture in
the last days sons and daughters
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will have visions and dream
dreams. I saw the building clear
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as day. I did everything I could
to not travel that way. I went
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over to the east side of Detroit
and the Lord said, this is not
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what I told you. I heard him
just as clear. And then I drove
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down Grand River and there was
that exact building. I looked in
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that community and there
wasn't anything like with our _
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but I said I can't be in
this community Lord, I've just
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come from one of nicest
buildings in the city of Detroit
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But the Lord said this is where
I want you to be. So I walked
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in and the owners of the
building were there and I
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introduced myself. I didn't have
a dime in the bank, nothing.
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And the Lord told me to go. I
told them what I wanted to do,
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what type of practice I wanted
to open and they told me to
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move in. Man,
that's amazing. So it was
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like the Lord was
leading you to that community.
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Oh the Lord did lead me to
that community. Again it was not
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where I wanted to be. I have
to be honest I had been very
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bourgeoisie and I had been
with the elite and the elite
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and the elite addresses of the
city of Detroit because that's
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where I wanted to make all my
money. It was all about money.
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And it wasn't about the people.
So moving in that community it
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was going to impact my finances
because I went through a
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devastation where I had to
move out of the Downtown area.
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So the Lord was dealing with
me like he dealt with Job and he
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sat me down seven years, seven
years to the day I found that
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building. Seven
years from the time that
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you were downtown to the time
that you went the building that
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you chose. Seven
years to the T. And I
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remember going to my previous
employer and I was a sex abuse
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therapist. Went back to school,
finished the doctorate and my
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boss came and said Kim I want
more hours from you. And I told
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the Lord that night before,
if my boss comes to me and asks
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for more hours that was my sign.
And I told her that day I'm
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giving you my two week
notice. And that was it.
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Man that's amazing. What did
you expect to accomplish in that
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community? Well
what I expected to
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accomplish was really nothing.
I went in there to blind myself
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from what I saw outside
that door. I didn't want to be
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impacted by the outside
community. I wanted to build up
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my clientele, let them come in,
let them go. But that was not
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what God wanted. God wanted me
to go door to door, God wanted
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me to go out into the community
and meet people, minister for
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him and let people know that
there was a servant, not here to
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be served, but to serve them,
and that's what God helped to
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created in me. He remolded me.
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In all actuality so people in
the community eventually found
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that you were there and they
started coming. But you felt a
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little uncomfortable.
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I did because again I was in
that bourgeoisie state and that
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uppity state. I wanted a
particular clientele like I
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had downtown. And there
were prostitutes, and there were
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substance abusers, and there
were people who didn't bathe,
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there were people who were
hungry. People who had terrible
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odors and I was like this is not
me. You know, I was used to a
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different clientele. Babies
without shoes, and people who
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didn't bathe for two or three
days. And the clinic was open.
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People were free to come in
and out. There was a dentist, a
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podiatrist, a foot specialist,
internal medicine, a pharmacy.
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So you know we had a full
practice with a pediatrician at
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the time. There was an
ophthalmologist, an eye
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specialist. So it was a full
practice. So I added to it by
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being the psychologist,
counselor and speech and
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language pathologist and
sign language working with the
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hearing impaired. So they
welcomed me because they didn't
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have anyone in that
area in the building.
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It's so strange, because I
remember when I first came in
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contact with that building, I
was wondering myself, wow, I was
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thinking you should be downtown.
Or you should be in the suburbs.
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Right and I didn't want to be.
Again the mindset. But for 22
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years that's where God told
me to stay and I wasn't going to
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leave because until God told
me to leave. So I guess I can
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pose a question to you, Arthur.
When we met, we dated, we
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married I prayed for you
as a social worker to join in
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practice with me.
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You know that's very good
to know that you prayed for me
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and God answered your
prayer. You are so fortunate.
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I am fortunate and I want the
world to know how fortunate I am
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You go girl.
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But you joined my practice but
why? You saw what the building
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was, you saw the community.
Why did you join my practice?
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Because I could work with that
clientele. I mean I worked with
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substance abusers, I've been
into some really, really dark
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areas in the community within
Detroit. So I had experience in
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working with that. But I
also realized that both of us
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together could really, really
make the business even more than
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just from one perspective.
From a clinical psychologist's
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perspective adding a social
worker would really give us an
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opportunity to do more in
the community and that's why I
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wanted to. I wanted to
help these people. I thought it
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was really in
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a prime location to address
some of the issues that needed
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to be addressed with the
prostitutes, with the substance
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abusers and with those that
were having all types of issues;
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domestic violence. But you know
one thing that really impressed
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me? Is when they start realizing
that we were available to help
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them, they came from everywhere.
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God sent people from all over.
Our clientele went I know from
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a minimum to overwhelming and
God just continued to open up
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up a window. That scripture says
he'll open up a window you won't
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have room enough to receive it.
And that's what God did because
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people saw that we were
genuine Arthur used to tease me
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because I would now bring food
and make sure there was water
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and there were fruit snacks and
vegetable snacks and there were
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all kinds of things. People
would come in. They would be
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hungry and I would make sure the
place was smelling good. People
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needed to use the restroom and
some of the doctors wouldn't let
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the people use the restroom
and I couldn't turn people away
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because it could have been
dangerous but I knew the angels
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of heaven protected me.
And people began to tell other
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people, that lady in there, that
couple in there, they're good
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people. And I want to tell you
something: for 22 years in the
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inner city of Detroit, I'm
telling you, not one time were
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we robbed, was I attacked or
our cars robbed or burglarized
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And I would go in early in
the morning, late at night, on
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Sunday,
sometimes Saturday night.
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We would both be on many
occasions the only ones in the
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building during that whole time
that we were servicing clients.
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There was concern. Especially my
concern was in the winter time
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if I was called out to do
some other work and you were in
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that building.
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And I still went and Arthur
would be angry with me because
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I had to go. I had to go.
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But fortunately on many of those
occasions the client would walk
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out with you.
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And that was a blessing. Very
rarely I would leave out alone.
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But sometimes I told them go on
I would be okay, because I had
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had to finish up and tidy
up and write my notes out and
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things. Sometimes I would leave
them for the next day. But I do
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believe that the challenges and
the expectations were truly met.
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I wasn't expecting this fire.
This homicide and suicide to
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take place there. Tragedy.
Choices. But I do know for a
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fact that people when they read
our names in the newspaper and
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they read it on the internet
today, it's a good name, Kim
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Logan Communication is a good
name, is a strong name in this
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community.
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And I believe that what we
experienced, we're both still
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grieving from the whole entire
situation. This is a situation
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that does not just go
away after a week or two weeks.
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This recently happened on April
9 and we both lost a lot. I mean
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We lost everything. I mean
I lost 30 years of my whole
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practice. Arthur lost everything
he brought into the practice 15,
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16 years ago. Everything is
gone, gone, which you will see.
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But not our lives. I just wanted
to say that in losing everything
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we didn't lose our lives.
Now come with us as we go to the
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site. Hi we're
here on the site of our
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previous location where we
worked for 22 years here within
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the community of Detroit on
Grand River and Euclid. Arthur,
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April 9, 2013 you had taken
Erin to school and I received
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a phone call from one of
the other administrators in the
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building that hostages had been
taken and shooting was going on
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in the building and then there
were fires started. Now when
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they told me that there were
fires in the building, I had no
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idea how
destructive it would be.
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Well it was quite baffling
because here we are, we've been
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in this location for quite a
while. And when I took Erin to
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school I got this call to
indicate that the building was
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on fire and that they were
shooting and it was horrendous.
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I was wondering if this was
like a joke but it was reality.
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Reality. But it was arson,
murder, suicide that took place.
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It was almost like a movie.
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Yeah, so when I was walking down
Grand River I thought I was in a
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movie. It was not happening.
Everything I've had and built
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for 35 years of my private
practice and 22 years here in
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this building. And you
had joined me because we had
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become man and wife and then
you joined me in my practice
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and I mean everything gone.
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Five doctors' practices gone.
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Every single thing was burned
and it's just so unfortunate,
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but here we are now in front
of this building where death
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occurred. Yeah,
two lives were taken.
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And the most important thing
that I got out of that, it was a
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sinful relationship where a man
who was already married and a
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woman who was already married
came together to have an affair
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and when the woman wanted
to end the affair, the man had
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difficulty accepting that.
So what he did was it was going
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back and forth and going back
and forth for a long period of
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time, over a year and a half.
but unfortunately it got to the
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where death was the
final outcome of the situation.
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Now let me just tell you
what was stated in the news and
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throughout the media that
she had taken a PPO out on him
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because again she wanted to end
the relationship, and he was a
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former employee of the medical
center and she was also an
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employee here. Now after he had
started stalking she was told in
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order to maintain her job
she had to get a PPO order. Now
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that caused some difficulty
for him. Then I was told that he
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burned up her van.
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Well you know we're
talking about hearsay.
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Hearsay, but it was also
reported in the news and the
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media and which caused her,
because every action causes a
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what, a reaction. Negative
or positive. There are negative
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consequences and positive and
from there she had her boyfriend
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her new boyfriend go and shoot
his house. That was in the news.
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Yeah, but once again, we
have no proof of that. This is
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speculation, and speculation on
the writer's part who reported
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that. The unfortunate thing
is, Kim, as you indicated, we're
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talking about one incident in
the female's home where her TVs
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were stolen and her van was
burned. Another incident in the
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male's home where his house was
shot up and the night before the
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fire, that was Monday night,
his house was shot up and his
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retaliation was to come back and
wait for this woman to come to
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work. And he waited and he
plotted and he had saturated
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some of the areas in the clinic,
especially our area because we
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had not arrived. Right. And
it was totally saturated with
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gasoline and that's why the
building burned so quickly and
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so from there he let the other
hostages go and he took her,
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killed her, set the fires,
and then came back and killed
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himself. But another
thing in relationship to that,
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they said that this gentleman
not only came the morning of,
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but he came the night before
the incident. Once again we're
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about this situation causing
a travesty, where five doctors,
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30 employees were out of work
and displaced because of this
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situation. Now we're talking
about rebuilding but God always
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has a ram in the bush. Yes
he does. No matter what this
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incident was about, no matter
how it occurred the Lord stepped
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in and he renewed our strength
and gave us the opportunity to
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relocate. Now I'm going to let
you tell where we relocated to.
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I'm hoping we're going to get
a shot of that building where we
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are now and what God has done,
but... Twenty-five years ago,
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I got to tell this testimony.
I wanted to be in a particular
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but the Lord said I wasn't ready
and he showed me this building
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in a vision. He showed it to me.
And I said, Lord you have to be
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kidding me. And the inner
community and the blight wasn't
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as bad as it is today. But I
said Lord come on. Since I had
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just recently come out of
the Penobscott Building, another
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building in Detroit. So from
that the Lord said this is where
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I want you to be. And for 22
years meeting the underserved
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helping those who did not have
making sure that those in the
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community had food to eat, they
had other items that they needed
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for their families to survive.
So now we are located not too
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far still in the community
but in the new development where
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they're developing in the
new Spinster area, the Fisher
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building in Detroit, Michigan.
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And it is beautiful down there.
Fabulous. We have a new side
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and we have an older side and
we're in the older side where
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the mosaic masonry work
and marble and it is just
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outstanding. This building was
erected in 1928 and the building
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has a theater in it and
it's just a sight to see. So God
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lifted the whole situation up,
lifted us up and He placed us
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where He wanted us to be and
through His grace and His mercy
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no harm nor danger came to us,
none, no injuries occurred, none
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and it was all because Erin
was late for school and I had to
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take her to school which caused
you to be late as well as myself
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Right and the thing about
it is you know we were fussing.
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No I wasn't.
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I was, you didn't say a word,
you didn't. And I was like Erin
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come on you know Daddy's going
to be upset. But it was like the
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Holy Spirit told her to take her
time. Yes. And not move. And I'm
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telling you at 9:05 I received
a call. At 9:31 I was walking in
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front of this building. About
a quarter to 10 all I could do
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was put my arms out to
my husband and he hugged me.
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I'm telling you, this is why you
got to know the Lord. Because
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if you don't know the
Lord you will lose your mind.
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It was an eerie feeling passing
the fire trucks and remember
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one of the reasons that the
building burned so quickly was
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because there was no water to
be pumped and the fire hydrant
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is right in front of the
building. That fire hydrant
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didn't work so they had to
stream hoses all the way down to
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another block and then also the
police would not let them put
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the fire out because they felt
it was too dangerous for the
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firemen because they didn't know
where the shooter was. So they
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kind of held them back and one
of the statements that was in
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the newspaper they indicated,
let it burn. Let it burn.
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Ah when I read that man, I heard
that my heart sunk. How could
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they just let it burn.
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But Arthur also this is why
the Bible says we should not, we
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cannot put our treasures here on
this earth. We cannot hold onto
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things because it's all going to
burn. Ours just burned a little
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bit sooner.
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Yeah, but I wasn't ready for it.
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I wasn't ready but for whatever
reason God said, I'm going to
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test you and I'm going to
try you in fire to come out like
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pure gold.
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That's why we have to be in one
accord in everything that we do.
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We, as Christians, have to
prepare ourselves for what God
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has in store for us. And when
it comes to a point when we deal
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with tragedy and when we deal
with it with the support of our
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community, our Christian
community, it's gets easier and
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it's better. That's why we had
so many people from all over the
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country that heard about
and read this story that got in
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contact with us and they wanted
to extend support in whatever
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way we needed it and that
was truly a blessing for us.
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I tell you the scripture trust
in the Lord with all thy heart
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and lean not to thine own
understanding, in all thy ways
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acknowledge him and he will
direct your path. And I'm like
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Lord I don't know what you're
doing, I don't know why this has
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happened. I mean, we serve the
Lord, we keep the Sabbath, we
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return our tithes and offerings,
we're busy doing things for the
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Lord, we're here serving on 3ABN
Dare to Dream and then we lose
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everything. But we
didn't lose our lives.
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Well you know the most important
thing is, as you indicated, we
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didn't lose our lives.
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We did not lose our lives. And
God said I am going to preserve
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you and he said if I be lifted
up I will draw all men unto me.
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Absolutely. And God is so good.
You may have gone through a
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fire, you may be experiencing
something right now and you
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don't know how God's going
to take you through it, but God
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will take you through
it. You just trust him.
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And we're at a point now where
we don't have any alternative
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but to trust God.
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Right. We don't have a pencil,
rubber band, we had a pad,
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everything, our files are all
destroyed, 35 years of files,
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medical records gone. And I
had just redecorated the office.
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Yes, and we're moving slow at
trying to get our clients back
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and all those things that take
time. So it's a process. So we
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got a space so we're just trying
to do whatever is necessary to
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get our people acquainted with
the fact that we're at a new
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location. So we might
have to do some marketing.
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Yeah, I'm thinking about the
type of marketing we're going to
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have to do. But a lot of our
patients and clients have been
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faithful because they've been
with us so long and they are
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following us,
they're coming right with us.
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Yes so this is an ordeal. Let me
just say this. You never would
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think it would happen to you.
Right. You never would think
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that out of the clear blue
sky, something like this, this
00:23:50.99\00:23:55.80
tragedy. Look at this. I mean
people's lives, five doctors'
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offices, 30 employees and
some of the employees are really
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in the process of trying to
find out what do they do next.
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But God is in control, but no
matter what has happened, he's
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going to get the
victory out of this situation.
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What Satan meant for bad God
has already turned it into good.
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And all we can do is pray
for the families of the victims,
00:24:20.96\00:24:24.43
pray for those who are
impacted by this, all of us.
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This community has been impacted
by this because this medical
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clinic served this community.
People could walk here, it was
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on a bus line. It was always
busy. We would be here 8 o'clock
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in the morning to 10 o'clock at
night. And let me tell you, God
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always protected us because we
were serving his people. We were
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taking care of him. Even though
it was not the best neighborhood
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and Arthur would sometimes
say Kim you can't be in that
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building. I would be there alone
Arthur would be there alone but
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we still met the needs of the
people. But God blessed me to
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be able to walk out with other
couples. We would have couples
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at the end of the day and
I would leave out with them.
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But I'm just here to tell you
that I'm not done crying, it's
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very hard but I'm not crying
over the material things, I'm
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crying over the lives and
how it impacted all of us.
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But through the grace of God,
once again, we're here and we
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know that the Lord has something
special for us to do. So we ask
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for your prayers. We ask that
you continue to contact us and
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let us know and give us the
support to just encourage us.
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That's all we need. We need
encouragement because this is
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truly an ordeal.
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I want to think everyone. I
want to thank Dare to Dream 3ABN
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for this opportunity to tell our
own story. You know we interview
00:25:52.61\00:25:56.15
so many people but now
it's about us and our producers
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Ray and Debbie Young, Xiran.
There's just so many wonderful
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it's not just us. It's God and
the team effort, but I just want
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to let you know that we're going
to keep holding on to God's
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unchanging hands. So this
is where it started, where I
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started my practice as a
graduate of Oakwood College
00:26:18.47\00:26:22.78
University, Wayne State
University and now here I am.
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But now God said I'm going to
take you a little higher on the
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other side of town.
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More rent though, we have to
pay more money. More money, but
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it's all good. So God bless
you. Thank you for joining us on
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Making It Work. God bless.
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