Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan
Nowlin. I'm Arthur Nowlin.
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And welcome to Making It Work.
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You know Arthur, when you talk
about changes and adjustment
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and there's a term use in the
Adventist circles it's called
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PK. Have you ever heard
that term before becoming a
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Seventh-day Adventist?
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Yes. Before? Before
you became a Seventh-day
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Adventist. No I
had never heard that.
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PKs. All right but now that
you've heard it what does PK
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stand for?
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Ah, pastor's kid.
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We say preacher's kid. No
we never said pastor's, always
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preacher's kid.
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Wow. I'm learning something...
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You got to get that emphasis
PREACHer's kid. Can you say it
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with me. So what's
the advantage of that?
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No, no, no. PREACHer's kid.
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That's it. See how it flows.
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So what do they do?
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Well they get labeled that
they're rotten and they're bad
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and the pastor, his attention
was more on the other members
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of the church and their children
and his own children just went
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through the cracks. Well that's
not true for our guest today.
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We want to welcome our pastor...
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Wait a minute. I didn't
know you was a preachers kid.
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I am not a preacher's kid.
So you trying to say something
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about me? Well no. I didn't fall
through the cracks. All right.
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The description, some of the
things you said you know kind...
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What spoiled? Well
we'll leave that till later.
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But we want to welcome our guest
We have our pastor, Pastor Leon
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Bryant and Sister Barbara Bryant
our first lady's their beautiful
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daughter Lindsey
Bryant. Welcome Lindsey.
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Thank you. Thanks for having me.
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Oh you know what, I'm going to
tell it. I would see Lindsey run
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around the campground, and our
campground is called Camp Wagner
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and it's located in Cassopolis,
Michigan and it's within the
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Lake Region Conference which
is inside the North American
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Division. And she would be
working in the snack bar, she
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would be all over the place but
she was coming out of my cabin,
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remember we used to have a cabin
and she would come. But now
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she's such a beautiful young
lady. Look at you. I'm so proud.
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I'm so proud. So what do you
think about this term PK? Were
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you every called that?
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Oh yes, all the time. Yeah.
Growing up hearing PK was just
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a label. People would label you
and say you're a PK. Oh man that
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means your this, that and
the third. A lot of people would
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just you know...
Would it irritate you?
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Yeah, it would really irritate
me to the point where I would
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not tell people that I was
a PK just because people would
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stereotype and label me
from first experience or first
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introduction.
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Because at church everybody
knew you were the pastor's
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daughter so are you talking
about when you were off to
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boarding school...
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Right at boarding school, yeah.
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Or places like Camp
Wagner and meeting new people.
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Definitely. You know at
Camp Wagner a lot of people
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didn't see you
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with your parents or something
like that so just with your
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friends and things like that.
I think that people would treat
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you differently if they knew
that you were a PK. They would
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say this or say that around them
because you know her dad's a
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pastor. And even in the church
I had friends who said Oh be
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quiet, we can't say that because
the pastor's daughter's right
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here. That was the
difficulty of it all.
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So what is it like being a
pastor's daughter, what is it
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like? It's not
nothing spectacular
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about it. Because to me I'm a
human being first, God's child.
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I fall short just like everybody
else does and I try to explain
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that to people before they even
say, Oh you're a PK. I didn't
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know that. But being a PK you
go a lot of places and I love
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that about it because you're
get to travel. So I can think
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of several places that I've been
because of my dad's profession.
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But being a PK, you meet a
lot of people and you're always
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going to federations and
congresses and all these things,
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so that was the thing that I
really enjoyed about the fact
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that I'm a PK.
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One of the questions I wanted
to ask is that you're moving
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and you got to move from
here and you pick up and leave
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friends that you have and
the next thing you know you're
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somewhere else and you have
to meet new friends. So how was
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that especially growing up as a
middle school child, high school
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child. In the
beginning it was really
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tough. I didn't understand why
we had to move because at the
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time... I can give you an
example. We lived in Pine Bluff,
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Arkansas and I was in the 6th
grade. I had just finished 6th
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grade and I was going on to 7th
grade. That's all I knew. I'd
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been there, I can't remember
how long we'd been there but I'd
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been there and I had my friends,
I had my church family. A small
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town. Pine Bluff is just
very small, it's not big at all.
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So when we found out that we
we're moving to Indianapolis,
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Indiana, I was like where
is that? Okay so I'm thinking
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where is that. I don't have
any friends there. I don't know
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anybody. Number one, this is
a whole new conference. So I'm
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used to Texas and going to Lone
Star Camp, that was the camp
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there. So I loved that camp.
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Better than Camp Wagner?
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I'm sorry. They have a
lake and they have horses.
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Oh we better get a
lake and the horses.
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Everybody says that,
they want horses at Camp
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Wagner. Somebody's
got to be working on
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it. Yeah, so,
but when we moved it
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took a while for me to get
adjusted because it was a big
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city. Going from a small city
rural area to this. They have
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more than one mall, they
have more than one Walmart.
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It was like, oh my goodness,
this is so great. Yeah, that was
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the most difficult. I guess
it was difficult at that time
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because I was going into the
7th grade and then the church
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school was bigger than the one
that I had come from. I didn't
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know anybody.
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So let's go back. You know your
father, his profession, which
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was his work, his job, just like
if he was a doctor, attorney,
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or a teacher. He is a pastor.
How old were you when you
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realized your father was a
pastor? When you would see him
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up there as a little girl and
you would say what is he doing
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up there? Or did you always
just know oh he's in charge?
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That's a good question.
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Why don't you think about that.
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Yeah, I was probably 10 or
11. Yeah because you're used to
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seeing okay he's always
up front. Why is he always up
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front. Yeah, just seeing him
throughout the church service
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being up front. Sometimes my dad
likes to oh let's do this and
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let's do that. So he's up front
all the time. Yeah, I think that
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was probably 10 or 11.
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I recognize that you indicated
you felt pressure to some extent
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with your friends. But did you
put pressure on yourself at some
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point? You know like I have to
do things this way, I have to do
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things that way.
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Well I made a conscious decision
to not accept the label.
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Of course, the label you guys
are wild, you're not disciplined
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you run around acting crazy.
All these different stereotypes.
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So I think one particular
incident just made me realize
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okay that I'm not going to
accept the label because that's
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not who I am as a person. So
that was the turning point when
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somebody comes to you and
kind of disrespects you or says
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something that's really mean.
As a child, you don't know how
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to take that. So in my mind I
said okay yeah that's not who I
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am so I'm going to prove, or
not necessarily prove but make
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sure that people don't label me
like that because of what other
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people have done.
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Stereotyping. Yeah.
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Was it easier for your or your
brother in the adjustment of
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transition, moving, the changes?
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I would say it was my brother,
it was easier for him because
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he's a guy, you know,
so, you know, he gets around
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fellows over here. But girls
we're just kind of like who is
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this. Aaa, I don't like her.
She's too cute, all those things
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like. And not that I was saying
that but you know new girl in
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the area. A new girl. And you
just kind of mess up the bubble
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or the norm in the area. So
I think it was easier for my
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Now is it your decision to serve
God's church. I see you leading
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out in praise and worship.
You're involved with the
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federation, you're involved with
different things. Leadership.
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Family life, she's on our family
life committee. Is it your
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decision to do this?
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Yes, yeah. Nobody's making
me do it. Nobody is pushing me.
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I think that the most important
thing the reason why I am in
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ministry is because my parents
are ministry oriented. That's
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just a part of them. So growing
up I always see them going to
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visit sick and shut in. And then
going to AY and being a part.
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My mom was Sabbath School
leader and she taught us so it
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was kind of weird at first. You
know our age group; okay Mom.
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Like why are you teaching our
class, like why can't somebody
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else teach out class. But
they're always involved. I
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can't see myself doing anything
else, just kind of sitting back
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and not doing anything. I
just feel like it's a part of my
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calling, being involved and not
just kind of sitting down and
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letting other people... not
necessarily letting other people
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do it, but having the mind set
of I can do it too. Yeah. So.
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Let me ask, what keeps you on
track? I know the Lord is there.
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Here you are a young
African American female and we
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have problems keeping youth your
age in the church. I mean, they
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leave like they graduate from
college, they go their different
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ways. Fortunately you're getting
ready to graduate with your
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master's in social work. That's
a blessing. Great calling.
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So what keeps you on track?
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Oooh. Well you said it. God does
he keeps me on track. Then I
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have such a strong support
system, not just my family but
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friends who hold me accountable.
And that is the most amazing
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part of it because there are
times of course, when I want to
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okay let me just step back and
kind of push this to the side,
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push that to the side. But
I'm always reminded you can take
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a break, you can take your
breath, but don't step away,
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don't go back too far to where
you get complacent. So sometimes
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I just have to mentally take
a break. But I definitely would
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say that God keeps me stable and
then the support of my family
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and friends. That's really
what keeps me going as well.
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Do you want to marry
and have children some day?
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Yeah, I do, I do.
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Okay I can see that. You
can? Oh yes. I can just see you
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around in cradle roll, come
here. Your relationship with
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your mother. I see you both
serving on the praise team. I
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see you in the choir. What
is your relationship with your
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mother? What is that like.
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Me and my mom are, we're close,
yeah we're close. I guess she
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has been my backbone from of
course day one. She's seen me
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grow up and seen me maybe fall
here or fall here, but she's my
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rock. I really appreciate what
not only what she has done but
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what my dad has done. They're
supportive. They don't want me
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settle. They explain like
hey you can do it. Don't second
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guess yourself. So she's always
like okay what's going on. She
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knows if there's
something wrong, if it's on my
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face she just
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like what's wrong. Yeah, she
reads me really well. As mothers
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I think all mothers do that. But
she's definitely someone that's
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such a great encouragement
to me. I can remember being away
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at school, both at high school
and at Oakwood, even if it was
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a phone call that I gave her.
And she said you know what you
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sound like something's wrong.
I'm like I know. It was weird
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but her support is just felt
from either far away or just
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just close by. I definitely
have a praying mother.
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You have a praying mother,
that's what I was going to ask
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you. You now your mother and
I we have a history. You know
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you Aunt Bertha, we all
attended Oakwood College, now
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Oakwood University, located
in Huntsville, Alabama. When I
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found out that Lindsey's mom was
going to be me first lady it was
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like oh my goodness, my
classmate and they've been
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guests on Making It Work. Yes in
our first season. I want to know
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what is it that drew you to
social work. You know Brother
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Nowlin is an LMSW and I'm like
Adventist clinical psych. But
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anyway leave that alone. But
what drew you to social work?
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Well as you know my mom is a
social worker so I grew up just
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seeing her being so active as
far as her job and just seeing
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her. She always had her beeper
on her and she's always okay I
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got to go. I'm like okay where
is this lady going. Stay home
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with me. But that was my first
introduction to social work and
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the thing with social work that
hit me the most was being able
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to help people and I learned
that with social work there's
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so much that you can do. It's
so broad. You just don't have to
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work with DHS, you don't
just have to work in the school
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setting. You can work in so
many other arenas. When I was an
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undergrad I worked with the Aids
action coalition and I really
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enjoyed that. I
really enjoyed that.
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That's a blessing. Talking
about DHS we're talking about
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Department of
Human Services. Right.
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Well one of the things that I
wanted to talk about with your
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social work degree. What's
your particular area that you're
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going to pursue?
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Well the theory I chose at Wayne
State University was cognitive
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therapy, cognitive
behavioral therapy. Excellent.
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You want to explain that.
Well sure. I know but I want
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our viewers to
hear your perspective.
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Okay, well cognitive behavioral
therapy is basically working
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with the client to understand
what has happened in their past
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so you're also doing counseling
and with counseling you can give
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them homework assignments and
tell them okay so because this
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is happening to you let's work
on ways to help you get through
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what happened to you in
the past. So I find that a very
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interesting part of social work.
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And plus it really opens the
door to so many different areas.
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Cognitive behavioral therapy
is my expertise and one of the
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things that I recognize is that
it just allows you to deal with
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issues from a therapeutic
perspective in so many different
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ways. We're talking about
substance abuse, working with
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children, addressing those
issues and trying to make an
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impact. One of the things that
really kind of intrigued me with
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making my decision is they talk
about how you can be a friend
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be a supporter as well as try
to make them feel comfortable in
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every possible way.
So that's a good area.
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Yeah. Yes, I'm looking forward
to finding the right part of
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social work that
I want to work in.
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I want to ask one more
question before you talk.
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Go help yourself.
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One of the things as a Christian
therapist that I think will come
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up is your belief in God and
dealing with the many different
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areas that people are having
issues with; homosexuality,
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we're talking about substance
abuse and we're talking about
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child pornography. I've had
people come to me with those
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problems. How do you propose
that you would address that
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being a Christian first.
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Being a Christian first.
Um, to be honest with you for me
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because I haven't had much
experience encountered, the way
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that I would approach it is
to focus on what the client is
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going through because it's
not necessarily what I feel or
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I believe because I don't want
to put my beliefs on the client
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but if I were to be asked about
my beliefs I would definitely
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explain that these are my views,
don't feel that I am pushing
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these views on you. So I
would explain my beliefs. Yeah.
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That's a good answer
because that's right on target.
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You do have to meet the client
where they are and then work
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from that perspective. Okay Kim.
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Well thank you so much.
You're on a roll here today,
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I'll tell you.
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Now let me ask you. What do
you do to enjoy yourself being a
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Christian young woman. What
is available to our young people
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today.
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There's a lot available out
there today. I'm involved with
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motor city young adult ministry.
We just came back from a retreat
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a young adult retreat and we
just had a wonderful time. Had
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moments where we could discuss
various topics and we had group
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sessions and we had church and
we sang. There was bowling and
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basketball. The area
where we went was very nice.
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Where did you go?
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We went to Gold Lake ministry
and that's in Hickory Corners,
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Michigan. It's not too far
from the Ellen G. White estate.
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Oh near Battle Creek. All
right, okay. I've seen it.
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But the group that I'm involved
with we actually have vesper
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programs planned
every couple of Fridays.
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Okay and what is vespers.
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Well it's a worship service. Yes
so we come together. We have a
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speaker and we sing, we share
testimonies and things like that
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and then we also have potlucks
where we come together and we
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eat and have Bible
study. Saturday nights we'll go
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bowling, we have competitive...
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Think of me, I going to go here.
I'm not Seventh-day Adventist.
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I like to club, I like to party
and you know I come to church,
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I do my thing at the end of the
day I want to get to those clubs
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How are you going to encourage
me to come bowling and I want
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to go and party? Okay. Being a
social worker God has given you
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that double ability to enhance
the ministry. So how are you
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going to pull me? And I know
it's not you. You're a vessel
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for the Holy Spirit. But I want
to party. Bowling? Get real.
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Okay. Well of course there are
other alternatives besides going
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to the club. So we'll say well
what's the problem with coming
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bowling on this
particular night.
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Well there's no dancing, there's
no drinking, I can't meet guys
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Okay, you can meet guys because
there will be guys. It's not
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just females there.
There will be guys there.
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Will there be alcohol there?
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No, not alcohol.
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Oh, no alcohol. You don't drink.
You mean you have a good time
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without alcohol?
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We do, we do. And it is possible
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It is possible. Okay, so what
else do you all do. Come on.
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You got to give
me that game night.
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Game night? Yes. Game night?
I haven't played a game since I
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twelve. You talking about
Scrabble and things like that?
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No we can play other games like
Sorry and Uno and Faces. Yeah.
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Are you kidding
me. Table games? Yes.
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She can't play those...
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Well the person Kim but I'm
playing a role here. So you're
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pulling me in. So
what else do you have?
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We'll have girls night out
so we can go out, go out to eat.
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And not just the girls; we can
also invite the guys sometimes.
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We'll go out to eat. Walk around
down town or in other areas here
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in Detroit, Royal Oak.
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Do you allow single
guys at your church?
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At my church?
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Any church, other churches?
Yes. There are nice guys?
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Yeah, they're very nice.
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Well how come
you're still single?
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Actually that is a
very good question.
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You just fell right into that.
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Any kind of
board games she cheats.
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Okay I'm going to go
back to being Dr. Kim.
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Ann and I cheat. We do.
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That's the beginning
something. If you're cheating
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in a board game, I mean you
need help, you need care. Right
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You know so my thing is
being able to... the name of the
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program is changes and adjusted.
You have adjusted well, you're
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encouraging others to adjust,
to come into the body of Christ.
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You think about how many stars,
Ellen G. White as the Seventh
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day Adventist Church, we
consider her as our prophetess
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and how it says in her book
Great Controversy that there'll
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be no starless crowns and when
you touch a person's life and
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then you minister to that person
can you imagine as you get ready
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to go out into the field as a
social worker. You know you have
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a beautiful countenance about
you. I would let you counsel
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Brother Nowlin and I.
How would you counsel us?
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Wait, wait, wait. Let me see.
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I want to see her technique
at work. Give me your first
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approach in counseling a couple.
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She can't counsel you, Kim.
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Can you give me a
chance? This is weird.
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If we came to your
session, what would you say?
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I would first ask how you guys
met. I would want to know some
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background.
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Okay. He was chasing my skirt.
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She had ripped it a little bit.
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But we were in a program yet.
And then what would be your next
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step? Then I
would want to know what
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did the other person
have that you love about them.
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Nothing. Okay, we
could dig in a little
00:25:13.78\00:25:16.18
deeper.
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She needs help. That's why we're
here because she needs help.
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Wait a minute.
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Let's let each other take their
time so you can speak first
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and then give
each other some time.
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She needs three minutes. I mean
she just goes on and on and on
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like that bunny rabbit.
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But that's why we're
here seeing you today.
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Oh look it, you would
make a good therapist.
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I don't know but that
would just be the first...
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Fifty plus fifty. I would be
okay but Kim is in some denial.
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Okay, we're going to leave that
alone, you know see. Can you
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imagine he's a social worker
clinical psychologist, can you
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imagine. I can.
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We do the program together, we
work together, we live together,
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we love together, we travel
together and we serve the church
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together. And you wonder who?
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It's won-der-ful
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Good team, good team.
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I've seen this all fitting with
you so well. Because, I mean,
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you're an outgoing person. You
seem to be really legitimate.
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You've always demonstrated a
kind attitude toward people. So
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it fits you really well. I don't
really see you having any major
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issues or major problems in
this area. I think my concern
00:26:47.74\00:26:52.61
is with the way the world is
now you have to be set up for a
00:26:52.64\00:26:59.68
major challenge in dealing with
the different issues that exist
00:26:59.71\00:27:06.72
today. Oh, definitely.
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I think you're going to be
ready for that. Well you know
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what. This has been wonderful.
We have 35 seconds. Say
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something to all those young
people out there, you know.
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I would like to let you all know
to continue to trust God, most
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important thing, trust God
because he loves you and he
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cares for you. He died on the
cross for you. Don't label other
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people. That's another thing
because we talked about that
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today. Don't label other people
because you need to get to know
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the person as an individual as
a child of God first before you
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label them or
don't label them at all.
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Don't label them at all because
they should be labeled only as
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a child of God. We want to
thank Lindsey for being with
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us and we praise God for her
life and again may God continue
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to keep you. I'm Dr. Kim Logan
Nowlin and I'm Arthur Nowlin.
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God bless.
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