Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan
Nowlin. I'm Arthur Nowlin.
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And welcome to Making It Work.
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Within the city, Detroit,
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and like many other
metropolitan cities,
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you hear about
tragedies, and murders,
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and homicides, but
today, it's close to home.
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We've a very
special guest with us today,
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Arthur on Making It Work.
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But before we
introduce our guest,
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we've lived in Detroit, I love
Detroit, I believe in my city.
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We call it, you
know, "We believe in her
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because she's on her way back."
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But what is some of the things
that you have known or seen
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when it comes to
homicides and the city, Detroit?
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Well, actually, I
haven't seen a lot of homicides,
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but I know that the
city has had a great deal,
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a major increase in homicides.
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Especially, by
looking at the news
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and talking to some
of the police officers
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there I know, a lot of
them are not even reported.
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Yeah, because it's just
so many of them everyday.
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But what I'm concerned about is
the fact about the young people
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that are participating in this.
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It's not so many
domestic violence situations,
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but we have a
lot of young people
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that are resolving to
violence to solve their problem.
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And that's not the
way to solve your problem.
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Well, about a year and a
half ago, I met a young man,
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and this gentleman
was a student in my class
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in Wayne County
Community College.
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He just wasn't
the average student,
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he was above excellence.
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And I knew that by the
way he carried himself,
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the way he spoke, he
always said, "Yes, ma'am."
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I remember he feels so proud,
but his work was excellent.
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If I had, now, if
anyone's has me as a professor,
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they know I do not tolerate
anything but excellence.
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And even when it
came to a rewrite,
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ones he did in the first
time, he knew my standards,
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and they were high
because I was putting my stamp
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on his future.
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But I want to
welcome this wonderful person
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to our program Making It Work.
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Welcome, Jerrell J.
Shine, God bless you.
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God bless you, ma'am. Welcome.
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God bless you, sir.
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Is this your first
time meeting my husband?
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Yes, it is. Yeah.
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Oh, sometimes, in the
past, he's taken up my class,
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if I was out of town.
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Okay.
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But you were blessed to
have me the whole 16 weeks.
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Yes, I was.
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You know, I think you
only did miss one class.
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Was this the one
class you've got to town?
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You went to Jamaica? Yes, ma'am.
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See, I remembered it.
Cause you never miss class.
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I'm just amazed
that this young man
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had the tenacity
to stay in your class.
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If you had to say
anything about my class,
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what would you say?
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She reminded me
of my mother. Okay.
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Well, that's one of reasons
for you to stay in her class?
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And then why, why, tell him why?
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'Cause others thought
that she was demanding,
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but I saw that she just wanted,
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she saw more for her
students like, "you can do."
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And that's what she was aiming
to pull a lot of every student.
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Some students
rather walk out and leave,
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drop the class, I'd rather stay.
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And tell him my favorite speech,
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'cause I teach Speech 101
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and there's a
communication department.
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What was my
favorite speech? That I did?
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Yes, One of my favorite,
when play with the toys.
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Okay, my radio
controlled helicopter.
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The entertainment speech.
The entertainment speech.
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That's your speech? Yes.
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I played with the
remote control, and I get up,
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and I played with it.
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I wrecked it a couple of times.
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But you got an A
all the way through, and
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so, you know,
to bring it to now,
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I received a
phone call at my office
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at private practice in Detroit.
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And as soon as my Administrator
said his name, and I said,
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"That's my A student,"
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'cause I don't give too many As.
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And so, when I
called him back, he said,
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"Dr. Kim, I need to
come see you," not knowing,
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didn't know
anything, but my Administrator,
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she recognized
his name immediately.
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And she pulled the
story off the internet.
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She put it on my desk, I
read it, it broke my heart.
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And that's why, I asked
him to come, to tell his story,
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and he gives God all the
glory, he loves the Lord,
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but you must hear this
story in this testimony.
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So Jerrell, why
don't you start off
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when you got the call
going into the barber shop?
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I was actually
parked at the Coney Island
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across the street
from the barber shop,
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when my car was in drive.
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I received the call, I
was about to put in park,
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he was in drive, I
received the call and,
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"Come on, come on, I need you,"
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I put my car
reverse backed down,
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put it in drive and left and
went to my grandmother's home.
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And I walked into the
door and I saw some stuff there
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that I didn't
completely expect to see.
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It smell like
gun powder and blood.
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What did you see?
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I saw my grandmother
sitting on the floor,
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and I started
checking her vitals.
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She looked just
like my grand mom
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but she was not
responding to me,
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and that's, that's abnormal
for her in our relationship.
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I heard
something in the basement,
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I went to the basement.
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It was my sister
running and hiding
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'cause she didn't
know who was coming down
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the basement's steps.
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And I said "Carol?"
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She said "Get mom,
get my momma, get momma",
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I said, "Where is she?"
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She said "Right there."
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I looked and my
mother was on the floor,
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and I jumped on the
steps, "Momma, momma,"
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she was not talking
to me, that's abnormal
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'cause she, if she
would speak for anybody,
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she would speak for me.
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You know, she didn't respond
to me, I grabbed her left arm,
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checking vitals, no vitals,
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and it was, it's
very heartbreaking for me
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to sit here and
talk, and still standing,
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and yet keep the smile,
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you know, it's
the everlasting pain.
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I can imagine that
something like that
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would be just devastating.
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But what else did you see?
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When I come back upstairs,
when I went back upstairs,
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I saw my aunt's telling me,
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"Get your baby, your
baby is on the couch."
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And I'm like, you
know, I was confused like,
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"What do you mean?
How is he even here?"
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I saw my son on the couch
and I went, and I saw him,
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and I grabbed him
and, you know, he said,
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"Uncle D. shot me, daddy?"
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And I said, "What?"
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And I'm checking for where,
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I'm checking for the
blood on his clothes,
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I didn't see
none, and he was like,
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"No he just, he shot at
me, he shot at me, daddy,"
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pointed to the side of the
couch and I just grabbed him.
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But it didn't hit him?
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Thank God, by the
grace of God, he didn't.
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And he was your son?
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Jerrell Junior, that's
my son. And how old is he?
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He's three, he's
three. Three years old.
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So the bullet hit
him, did missed him.
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Yes, ma'am.
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And he just laid
still? Yes, ma'am.
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So then what happened?
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I grabbed a cover, my
grandmother's throw rug
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and covered, I just
threw it over his head
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and ran him out of the house
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because my grandmother was
sitting on the kitchen floor
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and I didn't want
him to see anything else.
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So I ran him
out, across the street
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and I come back in
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because I'm the number one
EMS at this point, I see EMS,
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I see police
office, but it's all normal
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for them to see things like this
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to where they,
they're not concerned,
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they're in the house, they're
just standing over there,
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people lying on the
ground and EMS outside.
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Wait! Do you work for EMS?
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No, sir. Not at all.
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Oh, okay, so you just
checking any response.
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My mothers' a registered nurse,
so she always explains to me
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about vitals, blood
pressure, stuff like that,
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so I'm very aware
of checking vitals.
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So I come back in the
house and hear my aunty saying,
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"Jerrell, Meyer is in the back."
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Say, Meyer's in the back?
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At this point my
mind is going, I am like,
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"Well, who else
is laid, who else
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is on the floor in this house?"
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And who is Meyer?
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Meyer is my
seven year old cousin.
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My baby cousin, beautiful
little princess of the family.
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I goes into the
bathroom, and I see her laying
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like face down on the ground
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and there's like
blood everywhere.
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And I see a very distinct
thing that sticks to my head.
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A bloody hand print on the tub,
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and it's like, its hand print
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and that's you
know, I see it right now.
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Who did this?
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When I was on the
ground with my mom,
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you know I asked my sister,
I said, "Well, who did this?"
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She said, "Fedarius."
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Fedarius is who?
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My mother's sister's
son. He's my first cousin.
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Up until this
point he was my brother.
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So never had a, I
never smelt this coming,
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I never saw it coming.
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It's like I heard the
young man say earlier,
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we only see this on the news.
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I've always saw
this on the news.
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I've never
experienced this in my family.
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I wasn't raised like
that, my grandmother,
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they not teach us
things like this nature.
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My mother went to college,
she was a registered nurse,
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she showed me that
you can go to school,
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you can provide
different life for yourself
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in spite of where you come from.
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And so, your grandmother
no vitals, she was gone?
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She had passed away? Yes, ma'am.
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My grandmother looked as if
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it was a, she
had a better chance,
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because my mom eyes
was open, wasn't blinking.
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And people don't
have their eyes open
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for two, three, four minutes
at a time without blinking.
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I know, I came in grips
with her when I grabbed her arm,
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I couldn't feel any
spirit in her arm, so to speak.
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So I said, well, Jerrell,
you can save your grandma,
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go back up there
and save your grandma
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'cause my grandma eye's was
closed and she looked as if,
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she looked just
like grandma, you know.
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So he came in
there, okay, let's go back.
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What cause the
situation to happen?
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What was the factor
that cause your first cousin,
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your mother's sister's child
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to come in and take the life
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of your grandmother, your
mother, and his own child?
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What was it?
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Okay, me say a word,
it would be my opinion.
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Okay.
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That's an answer
that only he can answer.
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Well, what do you think happened
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that cause this to happen?
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Where was he early that day?
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Where he was earlier
that day was he went to court,
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and what I would understand,
what I feel would cause him
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to do this is a lot of
people can not handle pressure.
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Some people can look
at problems and issues
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as if they are problems and
issues, when it's really not.
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Things which you have
control over, control it.
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Things which you cannot control,
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like my situation today,
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I got to leave them
in the hands of god.
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I cannot control this.
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There's no man in the world
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that would have
been allow another man
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to manhandle their
mother, their grandmother,
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and another child
at their grandmas home.
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I don't, you know,
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I am not that kind of
man, unless you say that.
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So, was he mentally
competent or did he got to point
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when he just was impulsive
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and angry about a
particulate thing or?
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The man is as sane as me,
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here sitting,
talking to you right now.
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Okay.
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You know, I've born
at '83, he's born at '84,
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there's nothing I
don't know about him,
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there's nothing he
don't know about me.
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Only thing I can really say is
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he had to be very, very
angry to do something like this.
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He had to be very, very
angry to do something like this.
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You don't turn a gun on
to your mother's sister,
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and your mother's mother,
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your grandmother
and your daughter.
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I don't understand that.
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Can you go back and talk
about what happened in court,
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which you shared with me,
that could have triggered this,
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'cause he went to pick
his daughter off at school.
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He had his
daughter with him? Yes.
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And went to your
grandmother's home?
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Yes.
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And so something
happened at court
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to probably
triggered this situation?
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He was previously, he
had been just tell me about,
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"I'm about to take her mother
to court, she's about to,"
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because, mind you,
you asked me earlier,
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was he mentally competent?
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He was granted full
custody of his daughter.
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He has a CCW gun permission,
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that would answer
your question, right?
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Okay.
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Early that day,
he went to court,
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taken her mom to
friend, to the court,
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trying to get
child support from her.
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And they denied him
child support, the courts did.
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And I believe
that could trigger,
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but that's not enough
to murder your daughter,
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your aunty, and
your grandmother.
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No, it's not
enough to murder anyone.
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Exactly.
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But apparently he
became unstable to the point
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where, and when we
talk about mentally,
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the instability
that he demonstrate
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was initiative
because of a decision.
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So his rage
became so overwhelming
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that he didn't think about
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what was the
consequences of his actions.
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He just reacted
in a negative way,
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and that was something
that he must of thought about
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prior to the whole incidence.
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I mean, even before the
court, I am under impression
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that there were some,
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some real consideration
or some real thought about
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if the court did not go his way.
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Honestly, sir, I just, I don't
understand the angle, you know.
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I am not here to
justify anything for nobody.
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I am here to stand tall
for my family, my mother,
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my grandmother, my
seven year's old cousin.
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I am not here to
glorify, justify anything
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that he is done.
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Didn't you tell me his
mother was there in the house
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but he didn't kill his mother?
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He only he hit or
he knocked her down,
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but he did not
shoot and kill his mother.
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No, he didn't.
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And he shot a round his
mother to shoot at his child,
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he shout his child four times.
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That's what been stated,
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I wasn't there.
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But his mom, yes, his
mom was there present in home
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when this took place.
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And, yes, thanks
God she is still alive.
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So now few weeks after
your mother and grandmother,
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you buried them,
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you continue to go
to children's hospital
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here in Detroit to
visit your little cousin.
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And then shortly
after there after
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she had another operation.
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How many operation did she have?
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Honestly, I don't know but she
wasn't there like five weeks.
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I am pretty sure she had
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at least two to three operations
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and probably had
few more to go through.
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She lived.
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Yes, she is living for
five weeks till march 22, 2003.
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Yes.
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I would like you
to show our viewers
00:16:20.58\00:16:22.98
your picture of your
mother, and grandmother,
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and your little cousin.
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Okay, this is the
picture of my mother
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and my grandmother's obituary.
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What's their name?
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My grandmother
name is Geraldine Bates,
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and my mother name is
Santangela Shine Williams.
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They are my favorite one.
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They are beautiful.
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I know, I would just like her.
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And here's the picture of
my little cousin Amara Jones,
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she is seven.
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I call her
Meir-Meir my little princess.
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Precious.
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And this is just a picture
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I got of my
beautiful grandmother again.
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This is at her birthday
at the Cheese Cake factory.
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I believe she is trying to 68.
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And as you see they
have these unique smiles,
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and I just have to
continue to keep our smile
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for them, you know.
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That's what I have
to do. This is amazing.
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You know to know you
on one side as a student
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and to have known him like this,
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and when he sat with me with me
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in my office and I felt honored,
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I felt blessed by the lord
00:17:32.58\00:17:34.48
that he called
on me and he said,
00:17:34.52\00:17:36.25
"Dr. Kim, I just, I need
some help to get through this."
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And I set there in my
chair and I was speechless,
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I could not believe
what I read or heard.
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And when I saw his
face, because always in school
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just a beautiful
happy cartoonist.
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You know when he try to
express the other students,
00:17:54.44\00:17:57.41
take the negative
and turn it into good.
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And I see this
what you're doing now,
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you've come here
to tell your story
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to let somebody,
to let people know
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that you gonna have
tragedies in your life.
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Yes. And how you
have to over come.
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How does a God play
a role in your life?
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You know, where
is God with you now?
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Well, honestly,
God is all I have,
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because without
god, I put it like this,
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there is a lot of
people they walk into house,
00:18:24.57\00:18:29.17
seeing at
things that I have saw,
00:18:29.20\00:18:30.54
smelling the
things that I have smelt.
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Going to a service, seeing your
mother and your grandmother,
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you know,
there's a lot of people
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that would have
negative thoughts
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about what's their
next move gonna be.
00:18:42.18\00:18:44.45
But I have never felt that way.
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I have a brother and a sister,
that my mother always told me
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to take care of If
anything happens to her.
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I have two
kids, I have a fiance,
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I have a stepfather, I have
two aunts that I still have.
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And I still, I'm
still Jerrell J. Shine,
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I'm still the same guy,
00:19:01.97\00:19:03.30
it's just I'll
never be the same again.
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You know, I'm living, and
I'm here, and I'm smiling,
00:19:06.24\00:19:08.84
but you know, is
very different for me.
00:19:08.88\00:19:13.01
You had talked to
your mo, I am sorry,
00:19:13.05\00:19:14.92
you had talked to your
mom, it was valentines day,
00:19:14.95\00:19:18.95
she was surprised by your
step father with the flowers.
00:19:18.99\00:19:21.96
You were telling me
about that, that was so cute.
00:19:21.99\00:19:24.66
You know she
wasn't expecting that,
00:19:24.69\00:19:26.90
but you had just
talked to your mother.
00:19:26.93\00:19:29.33
Yes, I was on the
phone with her, yes.
00:19:29.36\00:19:33.20
And few hours later,
not even an hour later...
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No, it wasn't like that
00:19:36.24\00:19:37.61
it was, I talked to
her for 9:59 minutes
00:19:37.64\00:19:41.34
and she's saying,
00:19:41.38\00:19:42.71
"Ok, bye, Jerrell,
I love you. All right.
00:19:42.74\00:19:44.91
Brother D, he's
pulling out right now,
00:19:44.95\00:19:46.28
all right, love you, bye."
00:19:46.31\00:19:48.05
And 20 to 30 minutes
later, about 30 minute later,
00:19:48.08\00:19:51.99
40 minute later I was
getting his crazy calls about
00:19:52.02\00:19:54.69
we need you, you know so.
00:19:54.72\00:19:56.73
So she was, she told you
00:19:56.76\00:19:58.19
D. is pulling up.
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And you didn't suspect
anything because that's...
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I just talked to him on
Valentines, February 13,
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we was together
at my mom's house.
00:20:06.37\00:20:07.87
"All right, love you, cous."
"All right, love you too."
00:20:07.90\00:20:10.04
You know, we, it's not, we
don't' have a violent family.
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The police is not at our house
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every week or
every year, once a year.
00:20:15.78\00:20:20.25
We are a people that
go to college, go to work,
00:20:20.28\00:20:24.85
raise our family,
pay our bills, you know,
00:20:24.89\00:20:27.42
pay your house no
first, pay your rent first,
00:20:27.46\00:20:30.33
then your bills, your utilities.
00:20:30.36\00:20:31.86
But that's what, that's
the kind of family I have,
00:20:31.89\00:20:34.43
structural,
responsible, independent people.
00:20:34.46\00:20:39.17
You hadn't had any contact
with this cousin at this point,
00:20:39.20\00:20:44.17
you haven't doubt to ask
him why he'd gone to the court
00:20:44.21\00:20:49.41
to see her mom, to
the jail to talk to him.
00:20:49.44\00:20:52.88
Was that
difficult for you to do?
00:20:52.91\00:20:54.58
Honestly, Dr. Nowlin,
00:20:57.79\00:21:01.82
honestly, I can't tell you
00:21:01.86\00:21:07.10
how I will react to seeing him.
00:21:07.13\00:21:09.06
I don't, I don't, honestly,
I don't know, I don't know.
00:21:09.10\00:21:12.13
I know I
couldn't shake his hand,
00:21:12.17\00:21:14.00
and smile and talk to him
of course, like I talk to you.
00:21:14.04\00:21:17.01
I understand that much.
00:21:17.04\00:21:19.77
So does court
preceding is all over now.
00:21:19.81\00:21:23.75
He's sentence or?
00:21:23.78\00:21:25.21
No it just happened in February.
00:21:25.25\00:21:28.38
I am not for sure
what they're doing
00:21:28.42\00:21:30.55
but we go to court
in May, next month.
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I'm gonna go. Yes, ma'am.
00:21:32.72\00:21:35.42
I am most definitely
gonna go, I have to see
00:21:35.46\00:21:40.86
the justice system
prevail, so to speak.
00:21:40.90\00:21:44.63
And your faith, you say
your faith has guide you
00:21:44.67\00:21:48.24
through your
relationship with God.
00:21:48.27\00:21:50.11
Yes, yes.
00:21:50.14\00:21:51.47
You know, so and
how did you talk about
00:21:51.51\00:21:55.98
caring for your siblings
00:21:56.01\00:21:58.48
and that's what your mom
wanted you to do, you know.
00:21:58.51\00:22:01.68
So how has this affected
you, you know as a person.
00:22:01.72\00:22:07.29
Oh, Okay, well, as a person,
00:22:07.32\00:22:11.39
like I say, I was born in '83,
00:22:11.43\00:22:14.30
Sela was born on '84.
00:22:14.33\00:22:18.10
We went to the park
when we were three, four.
00:22:18.13\00:22:21.60
We went to the arcade,
we want to Chucky Cheese.
00:22:21.64\00:22:24.87
We even dated girls
that hung together, you know,
00:22:24.91\00:22:29.28
we party together, we basically
live together as brother.
00:22:29.31\00:22:33.08
You know, his mom
and my mom are sisters,
00:22:33.11\00:22:34.92
they were as together.
00:22:34.95\00:22:36.28
So how it changed me, it has me
looking at everybody different.
00:22:36.32\00:22:41.66
It has me looking
at everybody different.
00:22:41.69\00:22:43.56
It just do.
00:22:43.59\00:22:45.36
I never expect in
my life this to happen.
00:22:45.39\00:22:48.63
So what's next for you?
00:22:48.66\00:22:50.50
What's next for me is I
owe my mother bachelor's
00:22:50.53\00:22:53.97
in mortuary science.
00:22:54.00\00:22:55.90
That's what she told
me to make sure I finish,
00:22:55.94\00:22:58.71
make sure I finish my school,
make sure I continue travel,
00:22:58.74\00:23:02.71
continue take care of my family.
00:23:02.74\00:23:04.41
Basically keep living
life, don't let life live you.
00:23:04.45\00:23:08.02
That's what my mom,
that's how my mom lived.
00:23:08.05\00:23:10.79
Live life,
don't let it live you.
00:23:10.82\00:23:12.32
Where you attended school?
00:23:12.35\00:23:14.29
Oh, Wayne County
Community College.
00:23:14.32\00:23:17.23
Well, I thought you might have
gone to Wayne instead after...
00:23:17.26\00:23:19.63
Well he's...
00:23:19.66\00:23:21.00
Yeah, I thought he's
already made, I understood
00:23:21.03\00:23:24.60
he was student but you know,
00:23:24.63\00:23:27.17
they don't
stayed there, do they?
00:23:27.20\00:23:28.67
No, you know, some of
them do though, you know.
00:23:28.70\00:23:31.81
But Jerrell is not gonna
be one who want to stay there,
00:23:31.84\00:23:35.01
you know, you're moving on.
00:23:35.04\00:23:36.38
Yes, ma'am.
00:23:36.41\00:23:37.75
I think was in point
here is that you know,
00:23:37.78\00:23:39.65
your mother and your grandmother
00:23:39.68\00:23:41.15
was in the body of Christ.
00:23:41.18\00:23:42.52
Yes, ma'am.
00:23:42.55\00:23:43.89
And you know, the bible says,
when the trumpets will sound
00:23:43.92\00:23:45.75
and the dead in
Christ will rise first.
00:23:45.79\00:23:48.32
And the voice they will hear
will be that of Jesus Christ.
00:23:48.36\00:23:51.89
And as they come
out of the grave,
00:23:51.93\00:23:54.46
you know, oh, death,
where is your victory?
00:23:54.50\00:23:57.87
There is no victory in death
00:23:57.90\00:23:59.30
because Jesus
Christ is the answer.
00:23:59.33\00:24:03.00
And you have to hold on that.
00:24:03.04\00:24:04.37
And I want to
encourage you because you know,
00:24:04.41\00:24:06.57
I have talked about
the lord in my classes
00:24:06.61\00:24:08.88
and I wasn't
afraid to talk about Lord.
00:24:08.91\00:24:11.45
But the key factor is that
00:24:11.48\00:24:13.52
the enemies is
gonna try to attack you.
00:24:13.55\00:24:16.02
I want to ask you,
how is your son doing,
00:24:16.05\00:24:19.19
and are you giving
counseling for him?
00:24:19.22\00:24:21.86
Yes, ma'am I...
00:24:21.89\00:24:23.73
And your sister.
00:24:23.76\00:24:25.09
My sister, me, my brother,
my sister, my stepfather,
00:24:25.13\00:24:28.86
and my two owns, we're
all going to the counseling.
00:24:28.90\00:24:32.63
I have my son going
to a counselor for kids,
00:24:32.67\00:24:35.47
they have
special program for kids.
00:24:35.50\00:24:37.27
And he's going, my
brother, my sister,
00:24:37.31\00:24:40.04
we all go every week together.
00:24:40.08\00:24:41.94
And me and my two
aunts, we go together.
00:24:41.98\00:24:44.45
So we all are
taken the necessary steps
00:24:44.48\00:24:47.28
to just help be
at our faith back
00:24:47.32\00:24:49.68
and be at our trust
in society, so to speak.
00:24:49.72\00:24:52.45
To built your
family back. Yes, yes, yes.
00:24:52.49\00:24:54.86
How's your stepfather because
00:24:54.89\00:24:56.22
your mother
would've been 50 this year.
00:24:56.26\00:24:57.89
May 18, yes, ma'am.
00:24:57.93\00:24:59.26
May 10. May 18.
00:24:59.29\00:25:00.63
18 and you all have planned
a big celebration for her.
00:25:00.66\00:25:03.80
Yes, ma'am.
00:25:03.83\00:25:05.17
You know, how's
your stepfather doing?
00:25:05.20\00:25:07.07
He is doing, I can't
say he is doing great.
00:25:07.10\00:25:10.71
He is not, we just
stand together, you know,
00:25:10.74\00:25:14.94
when I give
weak they pick me up,
00:25:14.98\00:25:17.25
when he gave weak I pick him up.
00:25:17.28\00:25:18.61
And it's, we're in a
team, you know, we are a team,
00:25:18.65\00:25:21.92
we got to keep the ship sailing,
00:25:21.95\00:25:23.69
that's what we must do.
00:25:23.72\00:25:25.42
And you know, I think
what would be hard for me
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was the fact that
this is not a stranger
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from the streets or somebody
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just try to rob or
take revenge on you.
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You know, its somebody
that I've grow up with, loved,
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and you know,
share things with...
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Yes, sir.
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But he lost control because
if you grew up in the church
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and then you had
that church background,
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apparently he did it too...
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Yes, sir.
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You know, was he
continuing, I mean,
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before this incident happen,
did he continue to go to church
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or they had stopped over?
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Her mom and my grandma
would go to church sometimes.
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Was he under influenced
of any type of substance?
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I am not for sure.
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I wasn't with him
on Valentine's Day,
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nor the 15th, so
I am not for sure.
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Was his, the child's mother,
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and were they
eyes with each other?
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You know, they have going court,
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he wanted child support
because he had the child for,
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since birth?
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He had her for about four years.
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He had full custody. Yes.
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And then you tell me that
he represents himself in court.
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Yes.
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He want custody by
representing himself in court.
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So, he is not, he is not,
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he is not Incomposite.
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Tell you in person, for him
to represent himself in court
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and win full custody, you know,
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from a mother, you
know, that says a lot.
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And evidently his
character had be weighed,
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you know, he worked,
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he had been able to
support to this child.
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In 59 seconds that
we have left, you know,
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apparently what
was the relationship
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between the mother and him?
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Had it. It was it
always tumultuous.
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I mean, his wife, I mean
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the girl the daughter's mother.
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With him? Yes.
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I mean, there
been at odds, you know,
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he got full
custody of their daughter,
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so that's a
problem in itself you know.
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Not seeing eye to
eye, not be in the same,
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you know, you not being in
the same household together,
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that will create a
conflict with any couple.
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Well, you know, we're
gonna be doing part two to this,
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and we have more to come,
more to share about this story.
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But right now,
we just want to say,
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thank you for
sharing this part with us.
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And we look
further part two with you.
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Jerrell, continue to hold on.
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And we want to thank you.
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Arthur, I am Dr.
Kim Logan Nowlin.
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I am Arthur Nowlin.
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And thank you for
joining us on Making It Work.
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God bless.
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