Hi, I'm Arthur Nowlan
and Welcome to Making It Work
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Welcome to Making It Work.
Today our program is going to
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deal with brotherly love and
it's going to be interesting and
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we ask that you sit back, relax
and most importantly listen to
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the dialogue that you will hear
here today. Let me introduce
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our guests today. Edward, Tony
and Jesse. Can you give us an
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insight on how
you guys are related.
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First Jesse, he's my
youngest brother, he's the baby,
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everybody loves him. Tony, he's
the next guy in line. Tony came
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along later; we'll talk about
that later. And I'm the oldest
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We live in Detroit, Michigan.
Right now we're in the metro
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Detroit area. We don't live in
the inner city anymore. Well I
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do but they don't. In a
nutshell that's what it is.
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At one point you were living
out of the city, right? I mean
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you were living
out of the state.
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No that wasn't me, that
was my younger brother Jesse.
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So why don't you give us some
insight about that. Where you
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were living.
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I was living in Lexington
Kentucky. I went down there
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in 2006 for Toyota.
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I was a robot technician down
there. And then I traveled in
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Texas, Canada, Indiana. That's
pretty much it for Toyota. Now
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I'm back here, still working
with Toyota. I was out in
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Saline, Michigan and I'm a
chassis design engineer for them
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now. I work in the wheel group.
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Excellent. Tony what do you do?
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Well I work for Toyota, just
as an automotive technician and
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right now I have a four-year-
old son who is the love of my
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life and I've got these
guys here and that's pretty much
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where we are right now
at this current juncture.
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Well Jesse lives with
me now but he's about to be
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a proud homeowner
here in a couple months.
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Excellent, excellent.
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And Edward what about you?
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I work for Delphi Automotive.
I'm actually a paracontractor.
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I work at the Chrysler Tech
Center on one of their projects.
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So you guys have a unique
situation right? Basically
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all three of you are brothers.
You love each other you really
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have a good relationship. So
give me some insight about how
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this unity, this
unit came together.
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Well it was me and Jesse first
of course. Pretty much a lot of
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people that are around us know
that. My dad and my mom they
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separated. It was kind of weird
for me at first. My dad met my
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stepmother Rita and she had
a son Tommy which was awesome.
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I had another brother. I had
another guy to play with. To me
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that was the best thing for that
to happen. It was weird at first
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but we got along.
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How old were you?
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We were probably around, I
would say, 9 or 10. I think
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that's when it was.
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So how was it for you?
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For me it was this new
experience. We were into the
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the same things. One thing I
can remember very vividly is us
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always playing with Ninja
turtles. That was real hot when
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we first met. So we clicked
right when we met each other.
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There was no bad moments when
we first met each other. It was
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like we'd known each other all
our life even though we met each
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other later on.
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So it was real comfortable
for you. Not real stressed.
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Nobody trying to fight for
position or anything like that.
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You just jelled. Yeah.
Oh, okay. What about you Tony?
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Well you know being an
only child for the first 9 or 10
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years of your life, you would
think that you would always be
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somewhat selfish or something
like that. But I met these guys
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and it's like Jesse said, we all
enjoyed the same things and I
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mean even me myself, it was kind
of shocking that we were able to
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put whatever, however we
got there aside instantly, like
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there was no okay you know your
mom came around. It was never a
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bickering issue as related
to our parents' personal life.
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There was always just us and
that's the way we looked at it.
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I mean, we lived in a house
where we had the whole upstairs.
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I mean there wasn't a bunch of
rooms up there. It was just one
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big room upstairs and that was
ours. You know in the beginning
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I don't remember when it stopped
Like on certain weekends or
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weeks you was with your mom.
I mean, I'm there all by myself
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mind you I've always been all
by myself, I'm supposed to be
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comfortable, you know, I'm
here by myself whereas I wanted
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those guys around. And I think
that's why I still like that
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today. So it was
difficult with you
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when they were not there. Yeah.
So that was something pretty
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strange. You had developed a
relationship to the point where
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you expected them to be
with you on a consistent basis.
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That's right. But whatever
arrangement was going on they
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still had to abide by that.
I mean we were all kids. We go
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where we were told to go
and things like that. It didn't
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bother me to the point of
man I wish they were here. It
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bothered me because I honestly
thought that it shouldn't have.
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It's like you've been by
yourself all this time. It's
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like now you got two guys you
want to be with and now all of
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sudden you feel like you're
inseparable. You haven't really
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even known them that long but
that's the way kids are. We meet
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each other, oh man, that's my
guy and y'all just go from there
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So you guys were able to deal
with each other. You guys were
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able to move forward but in
the process you two came from a
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relationship that was basically
where your mom and your dad
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separated and divorced. Then
your dad remarries. So you went
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into that relationship. There
was no anxiety, no anger, no
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animosity?
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For me no. Like I say when
that happened I was too young to
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really even remember that at
the time. So that really didn't
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affect me. At least
not to my understanding.
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When I'm talking about the anger
I'm talking about the anger
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toward your parents, towards
your dad. Did you feel betrayed
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or anything like that?
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I'd say no. Both our parents,
all three of our parents had
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always been a loving atmosphere
regardless. They didn't want us
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to see that side of whatever was
going on. So it at least to me
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it was weird because
it didn't make sense.
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What didn't make sense, what
didn't make sense to you at that
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point?
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Basically the breakup. Like why
are we splitting, it didn't make
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sense. Regardless if we were
with our mother or we were with
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our father we had a good time,
we knew we were loved and that's
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what they taught us as well.
Then when Tony came along it was
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the same thing. Dad made sure
that we weren't at odds and to
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love each other regardless. He
didn't have to tell us that, but
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he wanted to make sure we were
that way. And there's too many
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families now where you got
blood family members, blood
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siblings that don't
like each other so...
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To the point of
killing each other.
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Which was so strange to us. I
don't even know how you fathom
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that. You don't know what
they would have to do. I haven't
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experienced anything like that
in my life. I mean I think we've
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seen some pretty terrible things
whether not in our own personal
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life or on TV, on the
news rather, not necessarily TV
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and it's just that brotherly
love that you have for your
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brother that the Lord provides
you with is something that can't
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be taken away. You know what
I mean. When you love somebody
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you love them. All type of
love that you have allows you to
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forgive them for things and
to see through things that okay
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yeah it seems as though he
did something bad to me but he
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probably didn't mean it the way
I perceived it. Those types of
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things that keep you in line
with just the harmony of the
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situation. Not necessarily being
naive or anything like that but
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that ain't the way it is. Maybe
I'm just having a bad day as a
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perceiver, if that's what you
want to say as opposed whatever
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it was they said. Maybe they
were having a bad day and maybe
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I should have went and
approached them to see what was
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going on with them as opposed
to oh man... You know what I'm
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saying. It never
really was like that.
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And you brought up a good point.
You said it never was like that.
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So what made it so loving for
you? I mean to the point where
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you accepted each other at such
an early stage, especially when
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the union came together.
What was the motivating factor?
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I think it was the upbringing.
We were rooted in church and
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Jesse and I grew up Seventh-day
Adventist and Tony did not but
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he still had a level of God-
fearing ideals taught to him as
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well. So we all knew God early
so that was something that I
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think we just accepted and just
knew what to do. I can't really
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explain it. It was natural.
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So that's a good point. It
was just natural for you to
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demonstrate love and because of
being raised in the church and
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that environment you already
knew what it really meant.
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We did get on each other's
nerves It wasn't all peaches and
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cream. We never went to bed
angry. That was something we
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were taught at an early age,
never go to bed angry. And then
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I mean as it relates just to the
companionship and camaraderie.
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We did any and everything
together. Whether we were
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playing basketball in
the neighborhood or winning
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championships in our
region, in junior league playing
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together with men worked, I'm
not going to say slaved on TV
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but we worked really hard with
our stepfather pour concrete.
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You know it was
always that team atmosphere.
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So basically you're talking
about being with your stepdad
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but with their father and
you did a lot of work in the
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construction business.
You mean, like all summer?
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Uh, it depends. When we were in
school, it was pretty much the
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summer. I know when I got to
college, it was whenever I had
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time off from school, I
went and worked with my dad in
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construction, but I think
for me it was a good learning
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experience, just to have the
responsibility of having the job
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taking care of money. Because
like when I was younger I blew
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my money the first time I got
a chance. So doing that kind of
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grounded me in the
responsibility of growing up so
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that kind of helped when I
left here and went to Kentucky
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because I was scared _
you know not knowing anybody
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when I went down there.
But I think that was a good_
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for me because going down there
I actually got closer to God
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down there. I had to depend more
on him. I didn't know anybody
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when I first got down there. So
when I kind of got comfortable
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with the people in the church
and everything you know. A
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couple of my coworkers I got
close with them so it kind of
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settled me in. But the first
two months definitely I had to
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really kind of get my
relationship together with the
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Lord.
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Yeah, that was probably the most
monumental thing. You moved in
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to a new environment and here
you are a stranger. What you did
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was you extended yourself and
found a church that comforted
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you and helped you. So okay now
you guys are together. So how
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long did you stay together?
I mean I know you're still
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together but how long was it?
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Twenty-three, 24
years, something like that.
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we've been together.
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But before the second breakup
with your parents and your
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parents when you guys came
together with Tony how long
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was that process?
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Oh you're saying from then?
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From the time that Edward and
Jesse came into the household
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and you guys became a unit.
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Oh when they were always there?
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Yeah and then there was a
breakup between your stepdad
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and your mom?
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We were already grown by then.
Their personal lives hardly ever
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affected us other than the
simple fact of like if it got
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that drastic to the point of
where they left I knew it was
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probably bad on their end; not
like not them but the parenting
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end. I knew it might have been
kind of bad but we never really
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explored it.
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Okay. Because that's something
that's traumatic within itself.
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And for you guys to tell me that
you never really investigated
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or talked; I'm sure
you talked about it.
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Amongst each other?
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Yes amongst each other.
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There was so much more better
stuff to do; there was just
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better stuff to do. It was like
that's their business. Because
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it was like from outside looking
in based on the way we were
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together anyway from his
parents separating to his dad
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meeting my mom and to now that
they're separated, I mean if you
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start hinging your relationship
on other things and those other
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things fall to the wayside, your
relationship's going to fall to
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the wayside. It's like our
relationship was never really
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hinged on our parents.
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Okay, that's a good philosophy
but in many cases we recognize
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that there are many people
who are unable to handle it like
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that.
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But it happens at different
times in those people's lives
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too. I mean if say Edward and
Jesse made it to be 18, 19 years
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old and they grew up their
whole life like that, then yeah
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that might have been a
little harder for them to take.
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Because I mean their grown men,
they're stuck in their ways now
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But when you take an 8 or 9 year
old kid who really doesn't know
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up from down at that age
mentally. I guess you got some
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kids that do understand
and other kids that may not
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necessarily pay too much
attention to it, but I mean it
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really all deals with the
repercussions of the split like
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how bad was it for the kids
during the split. You know you
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get some kids they get split
and their homes get taken away.
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You know their cars get taken
away. Different things. They go
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from eating good to not eating
at all. Fortunately for us those
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weren't really any of the things
that we really ever had to worry
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about was you know food or
shelter, things like that. They
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knew that they had a home to
go to. I knew I had a home to go
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to and we knew we all had
a place together to come to.
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So there was a sort of
uniqueness there that really
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was involved with this situation
So let's move to the area of
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marriage. How do you
guys feel about marriage?
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Well I don't have a problem
with it. I think right now it's
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something tough for me to go
into because of the situations
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that my parents have had. I want
to one day, but I guess my trust
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level right now is not there.
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Are you dating or anything?
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I'm dating no one in
particular now. Okay.
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I think that marriage is
something that I would take
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very slowly. Okay. I view that
to be a sacred union and I want
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it to be better than what I
saw and what I see in the world.
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I think that the way that God
intended it is not being shared
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or shown to a lot of people.
I can't say I haven't seen it in
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my life. My grandparents have
been together for many years
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and seeing them together and
the love that they show towards
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each other that is something
that I would want one day.
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Okay. Tony.
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Yeah, about the same as relates
to taking marriage slowly
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because of the different things
that can happen involved in
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marriage and me having a four-
year-old son now and it can
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happen to them the same way it
happened to me. You know I can
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end up maybe separating from
his mother and going on to maybe
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another woman or something like
that. She has a child and then
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it could be this all over again.
I just hope that I would be able
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to have the, what's the word
I want to use, the patience and
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the will to protect my children
like we were. We were protected
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from their lives. They made
it their business to do that, to
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protect us from that and that's
what we got from it was how to
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stay strong and how to hold up
family as opposed to foolishness
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involved in the relationship
or anything else. It was family.
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Excellent. Okay.
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Ah marriage right now. Right now
I'm kind of far from that but
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I'm not against marriage.
I'm still looking around.
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Are you dating?
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Ah here and there. Not real
often but I talk to people here
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and there. I like to get to
know people a lot longer than
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_ people or so. It might
take me a little longer to
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kind of get to know people
because I don't really let
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people know how I feel right
away. So it's a longer process
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for me. I look on the marriage
thing and how my parents
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situation kind of affected me. I
just look towards when it comes
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my turn I'm not going to take
it lightly to who I choose to
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get married to because it's
a lifelong bond and I take that
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seriously. Now days people get
married and like I got an out,
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I can get a divorce. But I don't
think of marriage that way. It's
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a bond for you and you and
God and your loved one so to get
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married seriously.
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One of the things that I want to
bring out is the fact that even
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though you've gone through some
of this adversity, and I'm not
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saying it's just
really traumatic, you know, it
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prevented you from being strong
men, you still managed to be
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responsible, you still managed
to look on life with a lot of
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the values that you were taught
as youth. What would you say to
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someone that may be experiencing
their parents going through a
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divorce. You know some young
person, a teenager. How would
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you encourage that person?
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I would tell that teenager
to be an optimist. Always try to
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find that the grass is greener
on the other side. Try to find
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the positive in whatever
negative you're going through.
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The only way you're really going
to do that is to make sure God's
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right there with you. Blood's
one thing but the blood of
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Christ is another.
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I would want to let them know to
hold on to the love that they've
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shown toward you that will
help get you through and also
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develop a relationship with
God yourself because he's our
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heavenly Father and that's
someone you can also talk to as
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well. He will give you insight.
It would definitely help. You
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got to just listen. I spent many
nights not listening and I can
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say now that I'm
trying to listen more.
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I would say definitely don't
be selfish. Selfishness begets
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anger. I would just say enjoy
the love that they both show
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toward you. Because one thing
for sure if you allow it as a
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child that love will still
be there. It might not be all
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there at the same time but
you'll know that when you're
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with your mom, you're with your
mom. And when you're with your
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father, you're with your father.
The only difference is that you
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may not be with them together
again but who knows the Lord
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might spin it back around and
you'll be right back together
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but as it relates to right
now if you're going through a
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separation situation
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I mean, I'm not going to say let
it be like I guess just let it
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be but try to be a passenger
and not a driver in this
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situation.
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I heard each one of you talk
about God in your relationship
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with God and I know that being
brought up in the church that
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made a major impact. But we're
losing so many of our youth
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and young adults are turning
away from God. So what would
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you say to them to encourage
them to really continue to
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develop their
relationship with God?
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I guess you have to start
with where they started from and
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where they are now because
there's so many things you can
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actually go through your
life and see how did I make it
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through this, how did I make it
through this, how did I make it
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through this. If you can
actually tally up those things
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that you know
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that you shouldn't got out of
I mean that's testimony itself
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so I mean that's a starting
point. You can start from seeing
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where God has led even though
things might not be looking good
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at that point, you're still
here today, so that's a starting
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point for me.
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I mean just like Job. Everything
was taken away from him but he
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still loved and respected the
Lord. You know some people ask
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for things that honestly the
Lord doesn't necessarily want
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them to have and then they get
angry with God when they don't
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get it. Ask for things that are
good and wholesome. Worry about
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going straight and narrow as
opposed to wide and deep and all
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kinds of other ways. Don't
ask the Lord to help you hit the
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lottery or something like that.
Just ask the Lord to bless you
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with maybe something
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to eat that day. Let's not go
as far as going to be mad at God
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because you didn't hit the
lottery. A lot of people they go
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your God is who your God is, how
come this isn't happening. You
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a lot of that when
you believe in God.
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So your relationship with God
seems pretty deep. So do you ask
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him to help you to make the
changes that's going to improve
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your life on a consistent basis?
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You have to. You have to seek
him. If you don't and you do
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what you want to do you end
up in positions and places where
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you didn't expect to be or you
don't want to be. I would rather
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be in those positions seeking
His guidance and knowing that
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he'll get me through and that
I'm just going through trials
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and not opposed to doing my own
thing and going through stuff
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and not put stuff upon myself.
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How do you encourage
young men, especially young men
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because  our young men are
definitely going through some
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trials and tribulations.
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So how do you encourage young
men that God is the answer, that
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he will assist you, he will
provide for you and what would
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you say to them?
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Sometimes kind of share some
experiences you've been through
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to kind of let them know that
you've been through stuff too.
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Let them know that they're not
alone going through problems.
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I shared some stuff with my
friends, stuff that I've been
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through but they need that
time so sometimes they need to
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know that they're not the
only ones that have problems, so
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that kind of helps people out to
know that I'm not alone in the
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struggle.
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I agree with that because I've
gone through some things and I
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asked God why, I don't
understand. And then the moment
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I share that with someone else
that went through something then
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I understand. I said we have
to go through it to help others.
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Man that's pretty powerful.
So here you are as brothers,
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you know, on the verge
of moving to another level
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and climbing the scale,
you've worked real hard.
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What are your
goals for the future now?
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Well I would say that I do want
to push forward in finding that
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someone for me. I do
want to be married so.
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You do want to be married.
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Yes. And through my success I
want to make sure that I have a
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background to help my
family out when it comes.
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Excellent, excellent.
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Um just to move forward as
positively as I can. I mean I
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understand that things might
not all be peaches and cream but
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just to be as positive as I
possibly can and continue moving
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forward. You know the positive
mentality begets positive things
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Two seconds.
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My goal is just to be able
to continue to help family and
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friends and then whoever
else is in need. That's all I
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try to do is to help when I can.
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It's been great. We really
appreciate you taking the time
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on your busy schedules to come
and really give some insight on
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our program. I really enjoyed
talking to you and you've given
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me some wisdom as far as how to
live in some of the areas where
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our young men are experiencing
some difficulties and yet going
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through the difficulties
you guys have indicated that God
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is the way to handle those
difficulties and I think that's
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really important. So I
appreciate you being on our
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program and I appreciate you
for listening to Making It Work.
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Thank you and God bless
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