Participants: Arthur Nowlin & Kim Logan-Nowlin, Elder Roscoe & Nettie Gray
Series Code: MIW
Program Code: MIW000061A
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00:30 Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin.
00:32 I'm Arthur Nowlin. 00:34 And welcome to Making It Work. 00:36 Arthur, just the two of us. 00:39 What comes to mind? You're talking about two of us? 00:41 Just the... 00:43 we still have a third will, we still have Erin, 00:45 our 15 year old, we have a 15 year old. 00:47 Okay, we have a 36 year old, we have a 33 year old, 00:51 and we have a 15 year old. 00:52 Remember, when we, Emica, she was in her junior year 00:56 going to her senior year at Mount Vernon Academy, 00:58 and I came to Arthur and I said, 01:00 "Arthur, what about having another baby?" 01:03 Now our child is about to leave, 01:05 graduate, go to Oakwood University, 01:08 and Arthur response was, "Yes, let's do this." 01:11 No, that was not my response. 01:15 You know, when I asked you, and you said, 01:17 "Yes, honey, what do you want?" 01:18 I said, "I want to have another baby." 01:20 That was the way you asked me. 01:21 I did. I was sweet. 01:22 You know, and I still had concerns. 01:26 You did? Yes. 01:27 'Cause you want to play golf all day. 01:28 Continuously. 01:30 Yeah. 01:31 So your golf game was good, it was going well, 01:34 and I want to have a new baby, an infant. 01:36 And now she's 15. 01:39 So I'm going to that empty nest syndrome, 01:42 she is about to leave to go to boarding school. 01:44 There's people they can help you in that area. 01:46 Is that right, any counselling? 01:48 Yes, you need something. 01:50 Well, I guess today Mr. and Mrs. Roscoe 01:55 and Nattie Gray. 01:57 And I'm just excited 01:58 because they are members of our church, 01:59 we know them, we've seen them but they have an empty nest. 02:03 Their youngest child is attending Oakwood University 02:05 in her junior year, 02:08 and we are just excited what God has done. 02:10 But they are both elders in the church. 02:13 And he's retired but she wears many hats, 02:16 she is vice principle of the school, 02:19 and also teacher, and counselor. 02:21 That's a lot, Arthur. It is lot. 02:23 But I think it's more than just having a empty nest, 02:26 and being involved in the church. 02:27 I think what it is their love for each other. 02:31 Oh, they do love each other. 02:32 No, I mean it shows. 02:34 I mean, you know, like they are willing 02:37 to really work together, and they're excited. 02:43 I heard her say something 02:45 where her husband was really her motivation 02:51 and that was really something important to me. 02:53 Oh, definitely. 02:54 Well, let's talk with Roscoe and Nattie, 02:57 here on Making It Work. 03:00 Elder and Elder Roscoe and Nattie Grey, 03:04 welcome to Making It Work. 03:05 Thank you, Thank you for having us here. 03:08 Listen, okay, let's just talk about 03:10 this wonderful relationship 03:11 that I see week to week and the friendship. 03:15 Let's talk about how you met, 03:16 and how many years you have been married? 03:18 How many years? 03:19 Thirty eight years, Thirty nine in May. 03:22 What? Wow. 03:24 Well, how did you meet? 03:26 I met her in church, at City Temple. 03:29 Our mutual friend introduced us, 03:31 and she has this distinct voice, little voice. 03:37 And when she walked down the aisle to leave, 03:40 there she is, Lord. 03:44 That's what you said? Yeah, that's what I said 03:46 because she had beautiful set of legs. 03:49 It was her legs. It was her legs? 03:51 And a little bit of waist like that, 03:53 I said, there she is, Lord, that's the one for me. 03:55 So what did you do? 03:57 I chased after her. 03:58 That Sabbath? 04:00 No, not that Sabbath, but I chased after her 04:04 and I would dress to impress... 04:07 All right. 04:09 And actually what on her part, it was love at first sight. 04:12 She looked at you and fell in love. 04:14 He will always say that. 04:17 I happen to been home on vacation from Andrews, 04:21 and I was at church that Sabbath, 04:23 but it was my best friend who kind of liked him, 04:29 and she introduced us. 04:31 But as, when I came home for the summer, 04:33 wherever we went, 04:35 it was a threesome, he was always there. 04:37 I had the car and he was always with us 04:40 going wherever we wanted to go. 04:42 And I would tell him the truth, 04:44 oh, you're just like a brother, just like a brother. 04:47 Didn't want to be no brother. 04:48 Will be no brother. 04:50 But it just, the relationship just blossom, 04:52 we just go different places, concerts, and go out to eat. 04:57 He just come over, go bowling, and just blossom. 05:01 Matter of fact, we went bowling today. 05:02 You went bowling today? 05:04 Yeah. Together? 05:05 You are in a bowling league or something like that. 05:07 We have some few friends from the church, 05:09 we just, just for exercise. 05:10 Who is the better bowler? 05:12 I bowled 212. 05:13 Today? 05:14 My first time doing 212. Really, you did 212? 05:16 What did you bowled? 05:18 Two hundred. 05:20 You know. 05:21 212, that's nice. 05:23 Are we going bowling? 05:24 You don't know anything about it. 05:26 Oh, well, let's you do it on a wheel. 05:32 You know, you know. 05:35 You no, that's how I felt, 05:36 because I can do that on the wheel 05:38 but I'm like, wow, all of these strikes like, 05:41 I can't believe it, I can't believe it. 05:42 That's really great. 05:45 Now, I know you both cook, 05:46 and you make a main sweet potato pie. 05:49 And, you know, all the things you do together. 05:52 The children, you have three children. 05:54 What are their ages? 05:56 Okay, Anea is 35, 06:00 Patrick is 33, 06:03 and Regina is 20, should be 21 in October. 06:06 Now that it's empty nest, now Regina is in Argentina. 06:09 What is she doing over there? 06:11 Well, we have this problem Adventist Colleges abroad. 06:16 I participated when I was in college, 06:18 my son went to Arg, I went to Spain, 06:21 my son went to Argentina and Regina said, 06:24 "Because we want to learn Spanish," 06:26 I says, "Okay, if you want to learn goodbye, 06:28 pack your clothes" 06:30 and I'm packing and crying... 06:32 Were you? 06:34 But I sent her over 06:35 so she's at our Adventist College... 06:36 That's all she do is cry. 06:38 In River Plate College, and she's taking classes there. 06:42 So when she comes back, 06:43 she'll be proficient in Spanish. 06:45 Isn't that wonderful? 06:46 Elder Gray, do you speak Spanish? 06:49 No, no. No, no. 06:53 Just we we... 06:54 Isn't that French? 06:57 That's wrong way. That's wrong lessons. 07:00 Si, okay, si. 07:02 All right, so how is it working together in the church 07:05 for the Lord, both being elders together? 07:10 It's easy. Is it? 07:12 I mean, this is my 33rd year as an elder. 07:14 What? 07:16 Yeah, 33rd year as an elder and it came natural with Nattie 07:20 because when I was head elder, 07:23 she did all my scheduling and everything. 07:27 And when she become an elder, I just worked with her 07:30 how to do this, how to do that, how to be an elder. 07:34 And she blossomed as an elder. 07:37 Recognizing that now you're in a household with another elder, 07:43 you know, how does that motivate you 07:47 as far as maintaining your relationship in the church, 07:52 you know, in the community, you know? 07:54 Now I tell you what she like to do? 07:57 She like to come up with something and say, 08:00 this is mine for the next, for next of my speech, 08:03 this is my sermon, 08:05 and I would more like would steal it from her 08:08 because I do the Wednesday noon prayer service. 08:11 And when she tell me something good, 08:12 that's what I use for my service. 08:14 So she got to tell you, don't use. 08:16 Nattie won't tell me anything. 08:19 But I think when I became an elder 08:21 because he knew 08:23 and we just have books and books at home, 08:26 he wanted to make sure that I'm successful 08:28 because it was a problem 08:30 with assignment of female elder, 08:33 there was some... 08:34 Because you were one and the first. 08:36 Right. 08:37 You and... 08:39 Beverly was the first elder. 08:40 And then Wanida. 08:41 But because I needed to, 08:45 he wanted to make sure that I was successful. 08:48 So when people would come, he would say, okay, 08:50 you need to call this person, 08:52 call this lady here, call and see how she is doing. 08:55 You need to do this. 08:56 When you go out, okay, make sure you do this. 08:58 You read this book for your invocations. 09:01 Read this for your prayers. 09:03 Read this, so he would give me training 09:06 that I did have another elder 09:08 that was supposed to work with me 09:10 but he was my trainer. 09:12 He was the one that would train me 09:14 what I needed to do, what I would need to say. 09:17 And I think about a year ago 09:19 when I did my first board meeting to conduct it, 09:23 he was on the sidelines coaching and reading 09:25 and have to say, do this, do that, move on. 09:30 So he's always been uplifting to make sure that, 09:36 the church sees us as a team. 09:38 As one of the first female elders of the church, 09:43 you indicated that there is some problem. 09:46 What kind of problems did you run into in regards to that? 09:49 Well, it's not so much with me, I guess, 09:51 because everyone accepted Roscoe 09:54 and I'm more laidback, it was easier with me. 09:58 So there were some people that did leave the church, 10:02 because they did not want just a female period. 10:04 People in leadership position? 10:06 Right, in leadership, some elders they did leave. 10:10 But the church embraced me. 10:14 And when we will go out, 10:16 we will go out together with communion. 10:18 So people are used to see a team, 10:21 so that's what they are saying 10:23 when we go out, it's a team. 10:25 That's something I see. 10:27 It was all the female elders that I worked with Doritha, 10:30 Phyllis, Wadni, I trained them all to, 10:34 you know, to really be elders. 10:37 Take the eldership seriously, 10:39 because people are looking at you. 10:41 What is a elder? 10:43 Tell our viewers, what is a elder? 10:45 Well, the elder is, 10:47 it's a spiritual leader of the church at City Temple. 10:52 As I mentioned, this is my 33rd year as an elder. 10:55 And when you are a elder, people respect you 11:01 because of the way you conduct yourself, 11:05 how you are just an ordinary person. 11:08 What you are, you're just a shepherd, 11:10 you're just a shepherd. 11:12 When people call, they want you to pray for them, 11:15 come by and visit. 11:17 And that's what we do, that's like, for instance, 11:21 the female in our church that is sick, 11:23 I would give my wife a list to call them, 11:25 call and pray with them. 11:27 And that's what our female members want, 11:30 they want to hear this woman elder pray with them 11:35 because they can tell her things 11:38 that they won't tell me. 11:41 I have to say, you know, 11:42 when I transferred to City Temple many years ago 11:46 and coming to you with the vision about anything, 11:53 so supportive when no one wanted to support, 11:56 you know, God answers prayers, you did. 11:58 You said do it, just do it. 12:00 And 21 years later, 12:02 still ministering a decade later, 12:04 and or if you ask me to do something, 12:07 and I'll say, "Elder Gray..." And you'll say, 12:09 "It's not even open for discussion, 12:10 I need you to do this." 12:12 'Cause you're training us to really serve God, you know. 12:16 And you would always reach out, no matter what. 12:20 I mean, I'm telling you, I've even said, Pastor Gray, 12:24 because that's how I see him, really pastoring us. 12:28 Let's talk about have you ever had a argument? 12:34 You know, what we argue about? 12:35 What you argue about? Time. 12:36 Time? What do you mean time? 12:38 Being late. 12:39 Being late, 12:40 I don't like to be late for anything. 12:42 Okay. And... 12:43 What time does a 6 o'clock meeting start? 12:45 Yeah, what time a 6 o'clock, 12:46 that meeting start at 6, start at 6. 12:47 No, you know, what time does a 6 o'clock meeting start? 12:49 Yeah, you know, what time is 10 o'clock board meeting 12:51 is going to start? 12:52 10 o'clock. 12:54 My wife have a little tendency just to lag behind time, 12:58 just a little bit, and that... 13:02 Do you drive separately? 13:03 No, I have the wait on her. 13:05 We used to drive separately but we come together. 13:08 My philosophy is if there is a meeting 13:11 and it tends to be habitually late, 13:14 I would get there in time for the meeting. 13:17 You know, I don't need to come and sit and do nothing. 13:22 So I would get there when I think I should be there. 13:25 But though, but see, he is glossing over 13:28 the worst argument we had was he got angry at me 13:33 and he pulled the car on the express way, 13:36 pull the car over and got out of the car. 13:39 And then what? And just started walking. 13:41 He was driving? 13:43 He just pulled over, he was driving, 13:45 and he pulled over. 13:46 I don't know what that... 13:48 I can't remember what was about but... 13:49 Probably about time. 13:52 But that's the most, most of time when he is angry, 13:57 he will tend to probably leave the house, 14:02 or just go into his room. 14:05 I would do the silent treatment for a little while. 14:08 So you know how to respect those boundaries. 14:10 Yes. Oh, yes. 14:11 You know. 14:13 I want to come back to eldership, 14:16 the uniqueness of it. 14:17 I mean, there's not a whole lot of families 14:19 got two elders in the family, the husband and the wife. 14:23 You couldn't handle 14:24 if I was an elder at the church? 14:26 Sure, I could. 14:28 Would it work together? 14:29 Would we work together like this? 14:31 Now she is driving me out of my mind. 14:34 You know, so it won't be anything different. 14:36 I have to say, I'm glad he is a elder 14:38 and I could sit down and... 14:41 What's so weird though 14:42 one minute we are sitting next together in church 14:45 and next when I look up, he is on the pulpit, I said, 14:47 "didn't you know you were serving?" 14:49 And he'll like, "No, well, my name was in the bulletin." 14:52 But it's like, you know, he'll take his position, 14:55 he'll take his place, 14:57 he takes it very seriously, you know, so. 14:59 My question is, you know, 15:02 being that you both are elders, 15:06 is this may be causing you 15:11 to really, really dig down deeper 15:14 to maintain a certain aura about yourself? 15:19 Do you understand what I'm saying? 15:21 I go back to my, our TC days in high school. 15:25 The first thing I learned about leadership, 15:27 respect is to where respect is given. 15:30 And being in the army, being a veteran, 15:33 being a leadership at church, 15:36 that's something that's more or less 15:37 is fallen by wayside respect. 15:40 And you try to bring that dignity back with the... 15:43 to the elder board. 15:45 I have a fantastic leader. 15:47 When I first joined on the board, Elder Briton. 15:51 And he was one straight guy, 15:55 and I can remember he just send me places. 15:58 He said, 16:02 "Elder Gray, this is first Elder Briton," 16:05 that command. 16:07 Little later about the church died, 16:08 she is 95 years old. 16:10 "I want you to go and buy that type of clothes, 16:12 not the funeral or the wake service," 16:15 And I said, "You couldn't find any other elder." 16:19 He's like, "Your name came up, so go close it out. 16:21 There's only few people going to be there." 16:24 I went to the funeral home, they had busses there, 16:27 and it was packed. 16:30 And I was so nervous, I was just sweating. 16:34 Two little sisters there, 16:35 sister Iotabird and her daughter Peters, 16:38 they grab me by the hand and that calmness 16:43 just came right over and they prayed, 16:44 and the calmness came right over me. 16:47 And after that, everything just plain came right together. 16:52 Still, Nattie, does it make you, you know, 16:56 feel that you had to present yourself 17:00 in a special way like Elder Gray 17:03 was just talking about respect, you know? 17:06 I am me, I am just me. 17:09 But I think the church knew me and then electing me, 17:13 they knew what I stood for. 17:15 They knew my personality. 17:18 So I don't, I have not changed, I think I'm the same. 17:23 But one thing that it's not just with the eldership, 17:27 we have to go back to 17:28 when has was deacon and head deacon, 17:31 because deacon and head deacon, 17:34 it was a strain, and I might say 17:36 most of our arguments were with the church. 17:39 Why? Because when he was, 17:41 when we had children at home, 17:43 I was left with the children as he was going to this visit, 17:47 that visit to do communion. 17:49 I have to go to the church and I need to mow the lawn, 17:53 I have to do this. 17:55 He just church focus. 17:58 So I was used to that phone calls, 18:00 I think we would get more phone calls at our house 18:02 than the pastors would get. 18:04 Still getting. 18:05 People will call, "Elder Gray, what about this? 18:06 Elder Gray." 18:08 So I would fill those phone calls. 18:09 So that's, I guess that's where my training started to knowing. 18:13 It's easier for me being an elder now 18:17 because the children are older 18:20 and my life then was with the children 18:22 and sometimes we would take the kids with us. 18:25 If he will go somewhere I'll say, 18:26 Okay, we're all going. 18:28 And we will pack up everybody 18:29 to go and visit a sick, do communion, 18:33 Gina would sing and we would all be involved. 18:37 So... Ricky played the violin. 18:39 Right, Ricky could play the violin. 18:42 So it would become a family affair. 18:46 And it took a lot to just maintain 18:48 our household during those years 18:51 because I knew, okay, he had to be with the church. 18:54 My job with the school took a lot 18:57 because working for church school 18:59 I'm constantly, he has a meeting, 19:02 I have a meeting. 19:03 But we've learnt to work with it 19:06 but I guess because I'm a church school teacher, 19:09 I couldn't be risky and do this, 19:11 so I have to spin the same. 19:14 So, it didn't mean to put on any ears be any different. 19:18 What you see is what I would have, 19:21 what I...Oh, this is funny. 19:23 One day before we were, before I became an elder, 19:27 I had this skirt and it was kind of short 19:30 and one of the members in the church says, 19:34 Elder Gray, your wife has on the short skirt. 19:37 He said, I like it, 19:38 he came right off walking 19:40 so that's I... 19:43 That's just been me, I'm me. 19:46 Okay. 19:47 I remember we met, first time we met 19:48 we were in counseling program at Wednesday, 19:51 and I didn't like you. 19:53 What? I know. 19:55 I was so quiet. 19:56 I know, it was just something about you 19:58 that did not connect. 20:00 Can I just be transparent here? 20:02 And I didn't know, I knew you were Adventist, 20:04 I did know, but I just felt a coldness about you 20:09 but over the years, I've to be honest, 20:11 I went to another church 20:12 and then when I transferred 20:14 not knowing the relationship that we would have 20:17 in our daughters with elder Gray and Arthur 20:20 in our lives how they came together, 20:23 but I've grown to love you now. 20:25 You know what I'm saying. 20:26 Erin loves you, yes and I praise the Lord 20:29 but I just didn't know you, 20:31 we would go to class, leave, hi, bye, 20:33 we didn't have a relationship 20:35 not knowing that God was orchestrating all of these 20:39 and now look at it, we're family. 20:41 I want to ask a question? 20:43 Date night, me time, you know, 20:45 what do you guys do to enjoy yourself? 20:47 Well, down to the years, we play scrabble 20:50 when we were down there. You love scrabble. 20:52 And I can't beat her. 20:54 You can't beat? No, I can't beat. 20:56 I think all these 38 years, I beat about twice. 20:59 My goodness, she is that good. 21:01 That's when I block up the boarding kit. 21:03 That's what he likes to block up the board. 21:06 But, we both and we love to watch 21:09 old black and white movies. 21:11 The western. 21:13 Did you do the western? 21:14 Did you do? Oh, yeah, 21:16 Life of man. Oh yes. 21:17 We don't watch these reality shows 21:19 with judges there not, 21:21 but a, you know, but we love the old, 21:24 the old westerns, 21:25 the old black and white movies, love old movies. 21:29 And you enjoy that, you enjoy that, so okay, 21:33 so in our last minute, 21:34 talk about how you make it work in 21:36 how to help someone make it work? 21:39 Prayer. Just prayer. 21:42 Right now I'm in the prayer ministry of our church 21:44 and did had really helped both of us, 21:48 because now we spend a lot of time in prayer 21:51 And more time. 21:52 We got more time in prayer, 21:54 but since my wife became an elder, 21:56 I see the spiritual goal within her. 21:58 She is constantly reading, 21:59 doing this, calling people, praying for them. 22:02 People call all the time, ask one special prayer 22:05 and I actually pray, wait a minute, 22:07 that I ask, and I go to upstairs 22:09 and get the other phone, 22:10 and then she'll pray, then I'll pray. 22:14 Amazing. Amazing. 22:16 And it shows, 22:17 it's really a blessing, you know. 22:19 We thank the Lord and I just want to say to you 22:22 that we love you both, 22:23 we're so honored to have you as our elders 22:27 because you still are, you know, 22:29 as even though Arthur is ordained elder now, 22:32 you know, being the elder 22:33 and I'm able to sit back and watch 22:35 how all this is orchestrated in my church 22:38 as God moves forward. 22:39 Thank you so much for being a part. 22:41 When I baptized, I kept down a long time. 22:44 You take him back down, take him back, take him back. 22:47 Your Sabbath school was the first Sabbath school. 22:50 Sabbath school class. 22:51 Yes, yes, yes. Yes, so we thank God. 22:53 Well, listen, 22:54 thank you for being a part of making it work, 22:56 and continue to make it work for God. 22:59 God bless you both. 23:00 And for us. 23:01 Thank you. Thank you so much. 23:03 Yeah. 23:04 I guess, I must shake your hand, too. 23:05 Yeah, 'cause I'm going to get up and hug you. 23:08 God bless you both. 23:09 Oh, thank you. Amen. Thank you. 23:12 Arthur that was a very loving interview. 23:14 They're special to us both 'cause again we know elder, 23:18 Elders Roscoe and Nattie Gray. 23:20 What do you think? 23:22 Are there any perfect marriages 23:23 because they seem like they got it going on. 23:27 Wow, that's hard for me to say, 23:29 I can't really say 23:30 there is a perfect marriage outside of, 23:33 a person that is willing to follow 23:38 another person without question, 23:41 and then that's not perfect. 23:43 You know, I think every marriage has challenges. 23:47 I agree with that, I do agree. 23:48 But I think what the key is, is how you work through 23:52 those challenges and realizing that, 23:56 a solution is always available, no matter what. 23:59 I like that, you know, you are that 24:01 Ocala, she says happy wife, happy life, 24:04 let's say that together, happy wife, happy life, 24:09 do you agree with that? No. 24:10 I knew he was going to say that, I knew it. 24:12 I know, I mean, I'm only saying it, Kim, 24:14 because, you know, can I get a little personal? 24:18 What? 24:20 Okay, go ahead, get little personal. 24:21 I mean, I've tried to make you happy 24:23 in so many different ways and it still wasn't enough. 24:25 You wanted me to clean this up, and if I clean it up, 24:29 then it wasn't good enough, you wanted me to clean that up, 24:31 and I cleaned that up, it wasn't good enough, 24:34 so it didn't make any difference 24:35 how happy I was trying to make you, 24:37 you still didn't connect with me. 24:39 So you remember when I wanted you to mow the lawn 24:41 and then I wanted you go to straight, 24:42 then I wanted to go circles, 24:44 then I wanted to go diagonal, and you gave me the lawn mover. 24:46 I told you to mow the lawn. 24:48 And you went to play golf. 24:49 Absolutely 24:51 And I did, I started doing the lawn, 24:52 until I broke my knee. 24:53 Yeah, you know, that was an excuse, 24:55 you still should have got there and try to do that alone. 24:58 You know, listen to this scripture. 24:59 I like this scripture, 25:01 "I called on the Lord in my distress 25:04 and he answers me." 25:05 Psalms 120:1. 25:07 So I believe that Elder Gray, 25:10 you know, Roscoe knows how to call up on the Lord, 25:14 and they prayed together, 25:15 did you hear they're praying together, 25:16 worshipping together, 25:18 and being able to use lives the word of God 25:20 to help them sustain in their problems. 25:22 Yes, you know, and that's really important, 25:25 their relationship with God is carrying them through. 25:29 Oh, yes. 25:30 It's really apparent everything that they do, you know, 25:35 they refer to the Lord as being their motivation. 25:38 Yes, they travel together, they cook. 25:41 Did you know Roscoe can make a main sweet potato pie. 25:44 He is excellent. 25:45 He can make some chop less like with gravy and onions, 25:48 and you know, this vegetarian dish 25:51 and it's just so delicious but, Arthur, you can cook. 25:55 I can't, you know, 25:57 I can't make no sweet potato pie, 25:58 but I was wondering, have you made me one yet. 26:01 No, I don't do sweet potato pie, 26:06 but, you know, I do apple cobbler, 26:08 you make a main apple cobbler. 26:09 Arthur makes a main apple cobbler. 26:11 When do you do anything that bakes? 26:13 I don't bake, you knew that, I don't bake, I cook. 26:16 You're excellent cook. 26:18 Come on, now give me some, give me some love. 26:19 You're good, good cook. 26:21 I'm a great cook, I'm a chef. 26:24 Would you take me to that level? 26:25 Okay, anyway would you enjoy my cooking? 26:28 Absolutely. 26:29 And I enjoy your apple cobbler. 26:31 And I thank the Lord that we have balance 26:33 like the Gray's being able to come together. 26:36 Now you are elder at church, I am not a elder and, 26:40 you know I stay in the background and... 26:43 And that's a good place for you, 26:44 you see you recognize where you need to be. 26:48 You know what I am saying, I mean... 26:49 I do. 26:50 You know, that's the understanding, you know, 26:52 who you are as an individual and what's important. 26:54 'Cause you imagine us both being elders. 26:56 No. 26:58 One of us will have to resign. 26:59 Absolutely. 27:00 Well, I know the Gray's commitment, 27:02 they love God, they also communicate, 27:06 they share quality time together. 27:08 They're family oriented. 27:09 See, that's the key on making it work. 27:12 You got to recognize what is important for you 27:15 to be a healthy and whole family, 27:17 it doesn't matter. 27:19 And with few seconds we have left, 27:21 I think we need to emphasize prayer. 27:24 Prayer, prayer is the key. 27:26 The Bible says pray without ceasing. 27:29 Well, thank you for being with us on making it work. 27:32 I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin. 27:34 I'm Arthur Nowlin. 27:35 God bless. |
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