Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin.
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I'm Arthur Nowlin.
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And welcome to Making It Work.
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Arthur, just the two of us.
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What comes to mind?
You're talking about two of us?
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Just the...
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we still have a third
will, we still have Erin,
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our 15 year old,
we have a 15 year old.
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Okay, we have a 36 year
old, we have a 33 year old,
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and we have a 15 year old.
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Remember, when we, Emica,
she was in her junior year
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going to her senior
year at Mount Vernon Academy,
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and I came to Arthur and I said,
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"Arthur, what about
having another baby?"
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Now our child is about to leave,
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graduate, go to
Oakwood University,
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and Arthur response
was, "Yes, let's do this."
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No, that was not my response.
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You know, when I
asked you, and you said,
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"Yes, honey, what do you want?"
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I said, "I want to
have another baby."
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That was the way you asked me.
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I did. I was sweet.
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You know, and I
still had concerns.
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You did? Yes.
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'Cause you want
to play golf all day.
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Continuously.
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Yeah.
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So your golf game was
good, it was going well,
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and I want to have
a new baby, an infant.
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And now she's 15.
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So I'm going to
that empty nest syndrome,
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she is about to leave
to go to boarding school.
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There's people they
can help you in that area.
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Is that right, any counselling?
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Yes, you need something.
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Well, I guess
today Mr. and Mrs. Roscoe
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and Nattie Gray.
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And I'm just excited
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because they are
members of our church,
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we know them, we've seen them
but they have an empty nest.
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Their youngest child is
attending Oakwood University
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in her junior year,
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and we are just
excited what God has done.
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But they are both
elders in the church.
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And he's retired
but she wears many hats,
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she is vice
principle of the school,
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and also teacher, and counselor.
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That's a lot, Arthur. It is lot.
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But I think it's more
than just having a empty nest,
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and being
involved in the church.
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I think what it is
their love for each other.
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Oh, they do love each other.
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No, I mean it shows.
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I mean, you know,
like they are willing
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to really work
together, and they're excited.
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I heard her say something
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where her husband
was really her motivation
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and that was really
something important to me.
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Oh, definitely.
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Well, let's talk
with Roscoe and Nattie,
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here on Making It Work.
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Elder and Elder
Roscoe and Nattie Grey,
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welcome to Making It Work.
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Thank you, Thank
you for having us here.
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Listen, okay,
let's just talk about
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this wonderful relationship
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that I see week to
week and the friendship.
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Let's talk about how you met,
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and how many years
you have been married?
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How many years?
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Thirty eight
years, Thirty nine in May.
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What? Wow.
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Well, how did you meet?
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I met her in
church, at City Temple.
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Our mutual friend introduced us,
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and she has this
distinct voice, little voice.
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And when she walked
down the aisle to leave,
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there she is, Lord.
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That's what you said?
Yeah, that's what I said
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because she had
beautiful set of legs.
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It was her
legs. It was her legs?
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And a little bit
of waist like that,
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I said, there she is,
Lord, that's the one for me.
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So what did you do?
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I chased after her.
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That Sabbath?
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No, not that Sabbath,
but I chased after her
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and I would dress to impress...
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All right.
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And actually what on her part,
it was love at first sight.
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She looked at
you and fell in love.
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He will always say that.
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I happen to been home
on vacation from Andrews,
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and I was at
church that Sabbath,
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but it was my best
friend who kind of liked him,
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and she introduced us.
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But as, when I came
home for the summer,
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wherever we went,
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it was a threesome,
he was always there.
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I had the car and
he was always with us
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going wherever we wanted to go.
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And I would tell him the truth,
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oh, you're just like a
brother, just like a brother.
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Didn't want to be no brother.
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Will be no brother.
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But it just, the
relationship just blossom,
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we just go different places,
concerts, and go out to eat.
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He just come over, go
bowling, and just blossom.
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Matter of fact, we
went bowling today.
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You went bowling today?
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Yeah. Together?
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You are in a bowling
league or something like that.
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We have some few
friends from the church,
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we just, just for exercise.
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Who is the better bowler?
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I bowled 212.
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Today?
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My first time doing
212. Really, you did 212?
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What did you bowled?
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Two hundred.
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You know.
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212, that's nice.
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Are we going bowling?
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You don't know
anything about it.
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Oh, well, let's
you do it on a wheel.
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You know, you know.
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You no, that's how I felt,
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because I can do
that on the wheel
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but I'm like, wow,
all of these strikes like,
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I can't believe
it, I can't believe it.
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That's really great.
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Now, I know you both cook,
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and you make a
main sweet potato pie.
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And, you know, all the
things you do together.
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The children, you
have three children.
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What are their ages?
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Okay, Anea is 35,
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Patrick is 33,
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and Regina is 20,
should be 21 in October.
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Now that it's empty nest,
now Regina is in Argentina.
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What is she doing over there?
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Well, we have this problem
Adventist Colleges abroad.
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I participated
when I was in college,
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my son went to
Arg, I went to Spain,
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my son went to
Argentina and Regina said,
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"Because we want
to learn Spanish,"
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I says, "Okay, if you
want to learn goodbye,
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pack your clothes"
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and I'm packing and crying...
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Were you?
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But I sent her over
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so she's at our
Adventist College...
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That's all she do is cry.
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In River Plate College,
and she's taking classes there.
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So when she comes back,
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she'll be proficient in Spanish.
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Isn't that wonderful?
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Elder Gray, do
you speak Spanish?
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No, no. No, no.
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Just we we...
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Isn't that French?
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That's wrong way.
That's wrong lessons.
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Si, okay, si.
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All right, so how is it
working together in the church
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for the Lord, both
being elders together?
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It's easy. Is it?
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I mean, this is my
33rd year as an elder.
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What?
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Yeah, 33rd year as an elder
and it came natural with Nattie
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because when I was head elder,
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she did all my
scheduling and everything.
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And when she become an
elder, I just worked with her
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how to do this, how to
do that, how to be an elder.
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And she blossomed as an elder.
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Recognizing that now you're in
a household with another elder,
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you know, how
does that motivate you
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as far as maintaining your
relationship in the church,
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you know, in the
community, you know?
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Now I tell you
what she like to do?
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She like to come up
with something and say,
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this is mine for the
next, for next of my speech,
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this is my sermon,
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and I would more like
would steal it from her
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because I do the
Wednesday noon prayer service.
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And when she tell
me something good,
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that's what I
use for my service.
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So she got to
tell you, don't use.
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Nattie won't tell me anything.
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But I think when
I became an elder
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because he knew
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and we just have
books and books at home,
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he wanted to make
sure that I'm successful
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because it was a problem
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with assignment of female elder,
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there was some...
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Because you were
one and the first.
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Right.
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You and...
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Beverly was the first elder.
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And then Wanida.
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But because I needed to,
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he wanted to make
sure that I was successful.
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So when people would
come, he would say, okay,
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you need to call this person,
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call this lady here,
call and see how she is doing.
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You need to do this.
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When you go out,
okay, make sure you do this.
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You read this book
for your invocations.
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Read this for your prayers.
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Read this, so he
would give me training
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that I did have another elder
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that was
supposed to work with me
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but he was my trainer.
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He was the one
that would train me
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what I needed to do,
what I would need to say.
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And I think about a year ago
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when I did my first
board meeting to conduct it,
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he was on the
sidelines coaching and reading
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and have to say, do
this, do that, move on.
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So he's always been
uplifting to make sure that,
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the church sees us as a team.
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As one of the first
female elders of the church,
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you indicated that
there is some problem.
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What kind of problems did
you run into in regards to that?
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Well, it's not so
much with me, I guess,
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because everyone accepted Roscoe
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and I'm more
laidback, it was easier with me.
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So there were some people
that did leave the church,
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because they did not
want just a female period.
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People in leadership position?
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Right, in leadership,
some elders they did leave.
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But the church embraced me.
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And when we will go out,
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we will go out
together with communion.
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So people are
used to see a team,
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so that's what they are saying
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when we go out, it's a team.
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That's something I see.
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It was all the female elders
that I worked with Doritha,
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Phyllis, Wadni, I
trained them all to,
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you know, to really be elders.
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Take the eldership seriously,
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because people
are looking at you.
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What is a elder?
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Tell our
viewers, what is a elder?
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Well, the elder is,
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it's a spiritual leader
of the church at City Temple.
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As I mentioned, this is
my 33rd year as an elder.
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And when you are a
elder, people respect you
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because of the way
you conduct yourself,
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how you are just
an ordinary person.
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What you are,
you're just a shepherd,
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you're just a shepherd.
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When people call, they
want you to pray for them,
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come by and visit.
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And that's what we do,
that's like, for instance,
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the female in our
church that is sick,
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I would give my
wife a list to call them,
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call and pray with them.
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And that's what our
female members want,
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they want to hear this
woman elder pray with them
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because they can tell her things
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that they won't tell me.
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I have to say, you know,
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when I transferred to
City Temple many years ago
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and coming to you with
the vision about anything,
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so supportive when no
one wanted to support,
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you know, God
answers prayers, you did.
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You said do it, just do it.
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And 21 years later,
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still
ministering a decade later,
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and or if you ask
me to do something,
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and I'll say, "Elder
Gray..." And you'll say,
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"It's not even
open for discussion,
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I need you to do this."
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'Cause you're training us
to really serve God, you know.
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And you would always
reach out, no matter what.
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I mean, I'm telling you,
I've even said, Pastor Gray,
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because that's how I see
him, really pastoring us.
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Let's talk about have
you ever had a argument?
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You know, what we argue about?
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What you argue about? Time.
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Time? What do you mean time?
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Being late.
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Being late,
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I don't like to
be late for anything.
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Okay. And...
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What time does a 6
o'clock meeting start?
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Yeah, what time a 6 o'clock,
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that meeting
start at 6, start at 6.
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No, you know, what time
does a 6 o'clock meeting start?
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Yeah, you know, what time
is 10 o'clock board meeting
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is going to start?
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10 o'clock.
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My wife have a little tendency
just to lag behind time,
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just a little bit, and that...
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Do you drive separately?
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No, I have the wait on her.
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We used to drive
separately but we come together.
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My philosophy is
if there is a meeting
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and it tends to
be habitually late,
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I would get there in
time for the meeting.
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You know, I don't need to
come and sit and do nothing.
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So I would get there when
I think I should be there.
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But though, but
see, he is glossing over
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the worst argument we
had was he got angry at me
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and he pulled the
car on the express way,
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pull the car over
and got out of the car.
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And then what? And
just started walking.
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He was driving?
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He just pulled
over, he was driving,
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and he pulled over.
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I don't know what that...
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I can't remember
what was about but...
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Probably about time.
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But that's the most,
most of time when he is angry,
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he will tend to
probably leave the house,
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or just go into his room.
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I would do the silent
treatment for a little while.
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So you know how to
respect those boundaries.
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Yes. Oh, yes.
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You know.
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I want to come
back to eldership,
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the uniqueness of it.
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I mean, there's not
a whole lot of families
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got two elders in the family,
the husband and the wife.
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You couldn't handle
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if I was an elder at the church?
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Sure, I could.
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Would it work together?
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Would we work
together like this?
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Now she is
driving me out of my mind.
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You know, so it won't
be anything different.
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I have to say,
I'm glad he is a elder
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and I could sit down and...
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What's so weird though
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one minute we are
sitting next together in church
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and next when I look up,
he is on the pulpit, I said,
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"didn't you know
you were serving?"
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And he'll like, "No, well,
my name was in the bulletin."
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But it's like, you
know, he'll take his position,
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he'll take his place,
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he takes it very
seriously, you know, so.
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My question is, you know,
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being that you both are elders,
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is this may be causing you
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to really,
really dig down deeper
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to maintain a
certain aura about yourself?
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Do you
understand what I'm saying?
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I go back to my, our
TC days in high school.
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The first thing I
learned about leadership,
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respect is to
where respect is given.
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And being in the
army, being a veteran,
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being a leadership at church,
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that's something
that's more or less
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is fallen by wayside respect.
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And you try to bring
that dignity back with the...
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to the elder board.
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I have a fantastic leader.
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When I first joined on
the board, Elder Briton.
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And he was one straight guy,
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and I can remember
he just send me places.
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He said,
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"Elder Gray, this
is first Elder Briton,"
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that command.
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Little later
about the church died,
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she is 95 years old.
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"I want you to go and
buy that type of clothes,
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not the funeral
or the wake service,"
00:16:12.97\00:16:15.47
And I said, "You
couldn't find any other elder."
00:16:15.50\00:16:19.51
He's like, "Your name
came up, so go close it out.
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There's only few
people going to be there."
00:16:21.88\00:16:24.45
I went to the funeral
home, they had busses there,
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and it was packed.
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And I was so
nervous, I was just sweating.
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Two little sisters there,
00:16:34.29\00:16:35.62
sister Iotabird and
her daughter Peters,
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they grab me by the
hand and that calmness
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just came right
over and they prayed,
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and the calmness
came right over me.
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And after that, everything
just plain came right together.
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Still, Nattie, does
it make you, you know,
00:16:52.77\00:16:56.34
feel that you had
to present yourself
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in a special way like Elder Gray
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was just talking
about respect, you know?
00:17:03.52\00:17:06.52
I am me, I am just me.
00:17:06.55\00:17:09.16
But I think the church
knew me and then electing me,
00:17:09.19\00:17:13.36
they knew what I stood for.
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They knew my personality.
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So I don't, I have not
changed, I think I'm the same.
00:17:18.20\00:17:23.30
But one thing that it's
not just with the eldership,
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we have to go back to
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when has was
deacon and head deacon,
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because deacon and head deacon,
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it was a strain, and I might say
00:17:34.25\00:17:36.79
most of our
arguments were with the church.
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Why? Because when he was,
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when we had children at home,
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I was left with the children
as he was going to this visit,
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that visit to do communion.
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I have to go to the church
and I need to mow the lawn,
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I have to do this.
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He just church focus.
00:17:55.20\00:17:58.24
So I was used to
that phone calls,
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I think we would get
more phone calls at our house
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than the pastors would get.
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Still getting.
00:18:04.05\00:18:05.38
People will call,
"Elder Gray, what about this?
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Elder Gray."
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So I would fill
those phone calls.
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So that's, I guess that's where
my training started to knowing.
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It's easier for
me being an elder now
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because the children are older
00:18:17.73\00:18:20.46
and my life then
was with the children
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and sometimes we
would take the kids with us.
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If he will go
somewhere I'll say,
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Okay, we're all going.
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And we will pack up everybody
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to go and visit a
sick, do communion,
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Gina would sing and
we would all be involved.
00:18:33.94\00:18:37.71
So... Ricky played the violin.
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Right, Ricky
could play the violin.
00:18:39.81\00:18:42.68
So it would
become a family affair.
00:18:42.72\00:18:46.15
And it took a
lot to just maintain
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our household during those years
00:18:48.72\00:18:51.23
because I knew, okay, he
had to be with the church.
00:18:51.26\00:18:54.63
My job with the
school took a lot
00:18:54.66\00:18:57.03
because working
for church school
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I'm constantly,
he has a meeting,
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I have a meeting.
00:19:02.24\00:19:03.57
But we've learnt to work with it
00:19:03.61\00:19:06.68
but I guess because I'm
a church school teacher,
00:19:06.71\00:19:09.74
I couldn't be risky and do this,
00:19:09.78\00:19:11.81
so I have to spin the same.
00:19:11.85\00:19:14.12
So, it didn't mean to put
on any ears be any different.
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What you see is
what I would have,
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what I...Oh, this is funny.
00:19:21.26\00:19:23.39
One day before we were,
before I became an elder,
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I had this skirt
and it was kind of short
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and one of the
members in the church says,
00:19:30.47\00:19:34.70
Elder Gray, your wife
has on the short skirt.
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He said, I like it,
00:19:37.51\00:19:38.84
he came right off walking
00:19:38.87\00:19:40.21
so that's I...
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That's just been me, I'm me.
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Okay.
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I remember we
met, first time we met
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we were in
counseling program at Wednesday,
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and I didn't like you.
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What? I know.
00:19:53.99\00:19:55.36
I was so quiet.
00:19:55.39\00:19:56.73
I know, it was
just something about you
00:19:56.76\00:19:58.59
that did not connect.
00:19:58.63\00:19:59.96
Can I just be transparent here?
00:20:00.00\00:20:02.03
And I didn't know, I
knew you were Adventist,
00:20:02.06\00:20:04.93
I did know, but I just
felt a coldness about you
00:20:04.97\00:20:08.97
but over the
years, I've to be honest,
00:20:09.00\00:20:11.21
I went to another church
00:20:11.24\00:20:12.61
and then when I transferred
00:20:12.64\00:20:13.98
not knowing the
relationship that we would have
00:20:14.01\00:20:17.71
in our daughters
with elder Gray and Arthur
00:20:17.75\00:20:20.75
in our lives how
they came together,
00:20:20.78\00:20:23.05
but I've grown to love you now.
00:20:23.08\00:20:25.52
You know what I'm saying.
00:20:25.55\00:20:26.96
Erin loves you, yes
and I praise the Lord
00:20:26.99\00:20:29.46
but I just didn't know you,
00:20:29.49\00:20:31.19
we would go to
class, leave, hi, bye,
00:20:31.23\00:20:33.73
we didn't have a relationship
00:20:33.76\00:20:35.13
not knowing that God was
orchestrating all of these
00:20:35.16\00:20:39.20
and now look at
it, we're family.
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I want to ask a question?
00:20:41.50\00:20:43.64
Date night, me time, you know,
00:20:43.67\00:20:45.37
what do you guys
do to enjoy yourself?
00:20:45.41\00:20:47.54
Well, down to the
years, we play scrabble
00:20:47.58\00:20:50.35
when we were down
there. You love scrabble.
00:20:50.38\00:20:52.28
And I can't beat her.
00:20:52.31\00:20:54.22
You can't beat?
No, I can't beat.
00:20:54.25\00:20:56.72
I think all these 38
years, I beat about twice.
00:20:56.75\00:20:59.65
My goodness, she is that good.
00:20:59.69\00:21:01.02
That's when I block
up the boarding kit.
00:21:01.06\00:21:03.59
That's what he likes
to block up the board.
00:21:03.63\00:21:06.43
But, we both
and we love to watch
00:21:06.46\00:21:09.40
old black and white movies.
00:21:09.43\00:21:11.67
The western.
00:21:11.70\00:21:13.34
Did you do the western?
00:21:13.37\00:21:14.70
Did you do? Oh, yeah,
00:21:14.74\00:21:16.07
Life of man. Oh yes.
00:21:16.10\00:21:17.44
We don't watch
these reality shows
00:21:17.47\00:21:19.91
with judges there not,
00:21:19.94\00:21:21.38
but a, you know,
but we love the old,
00:21:21.41\00:21:24.31
the old westerns,
00:21:24.35\00:21:25.68
the old black and white
movies, love old movies.
00:21:25.71\00:21:29.28
And you enjoy that,
you enjoy that, so okay,
00:21:29.32\00:21:33.02
so in our last minute,
00:21:33.05\00:21:34.82
talk about how
you make it work in
00:21:34.86\00:21:36.89
how to help
someone make it work?
00:21:36.93\00:21:39.29
Prayer. Just prayer.
00:21:39.33\00:21:42.43
Right now I'm in the
prayer ministry of our church
00:21:42.46\00:21:44.87
and did had
really helped both of us,
00:21:44.90\00:21:48.64
because now we spend
a lot of time in prayer
00:21:48.67\00:21:51.54
And more time.
00:21:51.57\00:21:52.91
We got more time in prayer,
00:21:52.94\00:21:54.41
but since my
wife became an elder,
00:21:54.44\00:21:56.08
I see the
spiritual goal within her.
00:21:56.11\00:21:58.58
She is constantly reading,
00:21:58.61\00:21:59.95
doing this, calling
people, praying for them.
00:21:59.98\00:22:02.88
People call all the
time, ask one special prayer
00:22:02.92\00:22:05.19
and I actually
pray, wait a minute,
00:22:05.22\00:22:07.92
that I ask, and I go to upstairs
00:22:07.96\00:22:09.29
and get the other phone,
00:22:09.32\00:22:10.66
and then she'll
pray, then I'll pray.
00:22:10.69\00:22:14.60
Amazing. Amazing.
00:22:14.63\00:22:15.96
And it shows,
00:22:16.00\00:22:17.33
it's really a
blessing, you know.
00:22:17.37\00:22:19.77
We thank the Lord and
I just want to say to you
00:22:19.80\00:22:22.14
that we love you both,
00:22:22.17\00:22:23.77
we're so honored to
have you as our elders
00:22:23.81\00:22:27.84
because you still are, you know,
00:22:27.88\00:22:29.24
as even though Arthur
is ordained elder now,
00:22:29.28\00:22:32.01
you know, being the elder
00:22:32.05\00:22:33.38
and I'm able to
sit back and watch
00:22:33.42\00:22:35.12
how all this is
orchestrated in my church
00:22:35.15\00:22:38.02
as God moves forward.
00:22:38.05\00:22:39.52
Thank you so
much for being a part.
00:22:39.55\00:22:41.02
When I baptized, I
kept down a long time.
00:22:41.06\00:22:44.56
You take him back down,
take him back, take him back.
00:22:44.59\00:22:47.66
Your Sabbath school was
the first Sabbath school.
00:22:47.70\00:22:50.27
Sabbath school class.
00:22:50.30\00:22:51.63
Yes, yes, yes.
Yes, so we thank God.
00:22:51.67\00:22:53.40
Well, listen,
00:22:53.44\00:22:54.77
thank you for being a
part of making it work,
00:22:54.80\00:22:56.30
and continue to
make it work for God.
00:22:56.34\00:22:58.97
God bless you both.
00:22:59.01\00:23:00.34
And for us.
00:23:00.38\00:23:01.71
Thank you. Thank you so much.
00:23:01.74\00:23:03.08
Yeah.
00:23:03.11\00:23:04.45
I guess, I must
shake your hand, too.
00:23:04.48\00:23:05.81
Yeah, 'cause I'm
going to get up and hug you.
00:23:05.85\00:23:08.02
God bless you both.
00:23:08.05\00:23:09.42
Oh, thank you. Amen. Thank you.
00:23:09.45\00:23:12.05
Arthur that was a
very loving interview.
00:23:12.09\00:23:14.62
They're special to us both
'cause again we know elder,
00:23:14.66\00:23:18.33
Elders Roscoe and Nattie Gray.
00:23:18.36\00:23:20.76
What do you think?
00:23:20.80\00:23:22.13
Are there any perfect marriages
00:23:22.16\00:23:23.50
because they seem
like they got it going on.
00:23:23.53\00:23:27.87
Wow, that's hard for me to say,
00:23:27.90\00:23:29.24
I can't really say
00:23:29.27\00:23:30.74
there is a perfect
marriage outside of,
00:23:30.77\00:23:33.61
a person that is
willing to follow
00:23:33.64\00:23:38.81
another person without question,
00:23:38.85\00:23:41.58
and then that's not perfect.
00:23:41.62\00:23:43.59
You know, I think every
marriage has challenges.
00:23:43.62\00:23:47.39
I agree with that, I do agree.
00:23:47.42\00:23:48.92
But I think what the key
is, is how you work through
00:23:48.96\00:23:52.03
those challenges
and realizing that,
00:23:52.06\00:23:56.03
a solution is always
available, no matter what.
00:23:56.06\00:23:59.70
I like that, you
know, you are that
00:23:59.73\00:24:01.24
Ocala, she says
happy wife, happy life,
00:24:01.27\00:24:04.77
let's say that together,
happy wife, happy life,
00:24:04.81\00:24:09.04
do you agree with that? No.
00:24:09.08\00:24:10.58
I knew he was going
to say that, I knew it.
00:24:10.61\00:24:12.08
I know, I mean, I'm
only saying it, Kim,
00:24:12.11\00:24:14.82
because, you know, can
I get a little personal?
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What?
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Okay, go ahead,
get little personal.
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I mean, I've
tried to make you happy
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in so many different ways
and it still wasn't enough.
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You wanted me to clean
this up, and if I clean it up,
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then it wasn't good enough,
you wanted me to clean that up,
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and I cleaned that
up, it wasn't good enough,
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so it didn't make any difference
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how happy I was
trying to make you,
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you still
didn't connect with me.
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So you remember when I
wanted you to mow the lawn
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and then I wanted
you go to straight,
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then I wanted to go circles,
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then I wanted to go diagonal,
and you gave me the lawn mover.
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I told you to mow the lawn.
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And you went to play golf.
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Absolutely
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And I did, I
started doing the lawn,
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until I broke my knee.
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Yeah, you know,
that was an excuse,
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you still should have got
there and try to do that alone.
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You know, listen
to this scripture.
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I like this scripture,
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"I called on the
Lord in my distress
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and he answers me."
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Psalms 120:1.
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So I believe that Elder Gray,
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you know, Roscoe knows
how to call up on the Lord,
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and they prayed together,
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did you hear
they're praying together,
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worshipping together,
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and being able to
use lives the word of God
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to help them
sustain in their problems.
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Yes, you know, and
that's really important,
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their relationship with
God is carrying them through.
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Oh, yes.
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It's really apparent everything
that they do, you know,
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they refer to the Lord
as being their motivation.
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Yes, they travel
together, they cook.
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Did you know Roscoe can
make a main sweet potato pie.
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He is excellent.
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He can make some chop less
like with gravy and onions,
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and you know,
this vegetarian dish
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and it's just so delicious
but, Arthur, you can cook.
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I can't, you know,
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I can't make no
sweet potato pie,
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but I was wondering,
have you made me one yet.
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No, I don't do sweet potato pie,
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but, you know, I
do apple cobbler,
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you make a main apple cobbler.
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Arthur makes a
main apple cobbler.
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When do you do
anything that bakes?
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I don't bake, you knew
that, I don't bake, I cook.
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You're excellent cook.
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Come on, now give me
some, give me some love.
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You're good, good cook.
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I'm a great cook, I'm a chef.
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Would you take me to that level?
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Okay, anyway would
you enjoy my cooking?
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Absolutely.
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And I enjoy your apple cobbler.
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And I thank the
Lord that we have balance
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like the Gray's being
able to come together.
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Now you are elder at
church, I am not a elder and,
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you know I stay in
the background and...
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And that's a good place for you,
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you see you
recognize where you need to be.
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You know what I
am saying, I mean...
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I do.
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You know, that's the
understanding, you know,
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who you are as an
individual and what's important.
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'Cause you imagine
us both being elders.
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No.
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One of us will have to resign.
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Absolutely.
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Well, I know the
Gray's commitment,
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they love God,
they also communicate,
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they share
quality time together.
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They're family oriented.
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See, that's the
key on making it work.
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You got to recognize
what is important for you
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to be a healthy
and whole family,
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it doesn't matter.
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And with few
seconds we have left,
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I think we need
to emphasize prayer.
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Prayer, prayer is the key.
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The Bible says
pray without ceasing.
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Well, thank you for being
with us on making it work.
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I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin.
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I'm Arthur Nowlin.
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God bless.
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