Participants: Arthur Nowlin & Kim Logan-Nowlin (Host), Pr Floyd Spence, Lisa Spence
Series Code: MIW
Program Code: MIW000058A
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00:31 Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin. I'm Arthur Nowlin.
00:34 And welcome to Making It Work. 00:37 I'm so excited to be here with you. 00:40 Arthur, are you excited to be here with me? 00:41 I love it. Love it. You love it? 00:43 What do you love about Making It Work? 00:45 I love just meeting the people. 00:48 I love talking about the topics, 00:51 I love the realism of being involved 00:55 and trying to find solution, it's kind of excited 00:58 and it's almost like pulling a puzzle together, you know. 01:01 Oh, I agree with that, learning how to love. 01:04 When you think about the fruits of the spirit, 01:06 what fruit really describes of me for you? 01:11 I don't know. You're taking too long. 01:12 Well, I'm trying find-- 01:14 They're only 9, there's not 20 fruits now. 01:16 I understand, long suffering. Long suffering, is your word? 01:19 That's the one, that's the one. 01:20 You know, why do you say long suffering about me? 01:22 Well, because I've been suffering for long time. 01:25 You know what? You need to stop, you need to stop. 01:26 See, or else go say joy, peace, 01:29 you give me a peace of path, is all understanding? 01:31 But, see, you have to really understand 01:33 what long suffering means? 01:34 Okay, tell me. 01:36 You know, I mean even though I'm suffering, 01:37 that's been for long time, 01:40 there's a reward at end of my suffering. 01:42 What's the reward dear? 01:43 You know, that somewhere down the line, 01:45 that we will bring it together 01:47 and I won't have to suffer as long as I did before. 01:52 Oh, we had an opportunity to interview a wonderful man, 01:57 Pastor Floyd Spence 01:59 of the Hope Seventh-day Adventist Church 02:00 in Toronto, Canada. 02:02 He had the opportunity to visit with us in Detroit, 02:05 at the city Triumph Church, 02:07 and let's talk about Pastor Spence. 02:09 Great person, you know, I was really enthusiastic 02:12 when he accepted the fact 02:14 that he was going to making the appearance on our program 02:18 and bringing his wife, 02:19 that was something that was really important. 02:21 There was a bless and they also brought 02:22 their two children with them. 02:24 So he's a family man and I like to think of 02:27 Making It Work gets relationships 02:30 and how he has to balance being a pastor 02:32 but also he's married with two children 02:35 and also a therapist. 02:37 And a author. And a author. 02:39 So he's balancing things, and I find it so important 02:44 being able to have God a part all of that. 02:46 He really pulls on the power of the Holy Spirit. 02:49 Also, the man can preach. He's a great preacher. 02:53 Well, let's go to the interview with Pastor Floyd Spence, 02:56 Learning How to Love? 03:01 Pastor, we're so happy to have you here, 03:03 but most of all, some of things that you're teaching 03:09 in your different workshops and seminars, 03:12 what's the most prevalent thing that stands out 03:16 among all the issues that you deal with? 03:20 Thank you, Arthur, 03:21 it's really pleasure for me to be with you, 03:23 just do a chat with you today. 03:27 One of the, well, the main challenge I've seen 03:29 is communication. 03:32 How people interact, how people share their view, 03:36 share their concerns 03:38 and how the other person interprets that 03:41 and sometimes, there is a problem in understanding 03:47 as related to what the other person wants. 03:49 Yes, communication is a big challenge 03:50 for most people. 03:52 So with the different techniques in communication, 03:56 I'd assume that we'll have, 03:59 how do we get over some of the disagreements 04:03 and the challenges that stands out, 04:05 and since it consistently haunts the family? 04:10 Yeah, well, as I always tell couples and peoples in general, 04:17 it is the desire, 04:18 desire of every single human being 04:21 to be seen, heard, and understood. 04:24 And if people can really embrace the concept 04:29 and utilize that in their relationship, 04:32 in their everyday life, 04:33 then most of the problem would be non-existent, 04:37 really, yeah. 04:38 Pastor, tell us about your background 04:39 and, Lisa, we want to welcome you to the program. 04:42 Thanks for having me. 04:43 Oh, thank you, you're a beautiful couple. 04:45 Let's talk about, you know, how long you guys been married 04:47 and your educational background, and what you do. 04:51 Okay, so first of all, I'm driven by the belief 04:56 that there is greatness within all of us. 04:58 Yes. 05:00 And I believe it with all my passion 05:03 and consequently, I've decided to help, 05:06 to unleash that greatness 05:08 that is within those people that I meet. 05:11 I'm from, originally, my native home is Jamaica, 05:15 island of Jamaica. 05:17 Yes. 05:18 Yeah, and I grew up 05:20 with the fourth generation Seventh-day Adventist, 05:23 and of course, things happen along the way, 05:27 as it relates to my faith and got baptized later on. 05:32 And went off to do Bachelor Degree in Theology 05:37 at West in this college known Modern Caribbean University. 05:41 And then I pursue a Master's Degree 05:42 in Counseling Psychology 05:44 and then Doctor of Ministry degree 05:46 at the Andrews University, 05:48 and I've done a numerous other certification 05:50 in Human Sexuality and Executive Coaching. 05:53 And here I'm today, 05:55 I've pulled all of those things together, 05:58 and I've found that they have become an asset. 06:01 My training is helping people 06:03 within the context of the church 06:04 and even outside of the church. 06:07 So we've been married like 15 years, 06:10 this July 4, it will be probably 16 years. 06:14 Just the other day. Yes, the other day. 06:17 Looking like teenagers. Yeah, thank you, yes. 06:20 So we met at Andrews Memorial Seventh-day Adventist church, 06:25 that's my home church back in Jamaica. 06:28 He was just being introduced to the church 06:31 as the intern of the church. 06:35 Yeah. Oh, really? 06:36 Yeah, he spotted me from the distance. 06:37 What? 06:39 I was rolling in 06:41 and I saw this lady standing at the door, 06:44 she was a greeter 06:46 and she was handing off the bulletin, 06:49 and I said was woo! 06:50 Woo! Nice. 06:53 He was watching me, I didn't see him. 06:55 Okay. But he had his eyes on. 06:59 Yeah. That's great. 07:00 And ever since, all right. Yeah, rest is history. 07:02 So come on now. 07:04 So you guys have two children? 07:06 Yes. Right. 07:08 Yes, tell us what you do, Lisa, 07:09 to compliment this great man of God. 07:11 Well, 07:13 I'm really in the background most of the times, 07:16 but I try to prove with him, I not try to prove with him 07:20 and I stand by him and always there with him. 07:24 He has an idea, he bounces it off me, 07:26 and I tell him whether or not, yeah, I think, you know, 07:29 I think we run with that idea or not and then, 07:31 he would pray about it and see what comes out of it. 07:35 Definitely. Yeah. 07:37 That's really significant though, 07:39 and I say that because a lot of times, 07:42 the support that the spouse gives to their partner 07:46 is really essential for them to stay healthy and whole. 07:50 You know, so it's really important 07:52 and a lot of times we can get caught up 07:54 in our busy schedules, 07:56 and we can over look that component, 07:59 but it's really fortunate that you both understand 08:02 what you need from each other 08:04 and you reach out and grab that. 08:06 Yeah, especially as pastor, being a pastor's wife, 08:08 it's not easy. 08:10 No, it's not. Oh, I can imagine. 08:11 The constant moving, you know, uprooting the family, 08:14 and so it takes as spouses very understanding, 08:17 very supportive, and really appreciate that you know, 08:20 so supportive she is. 08:22 So you're pastoring now in Toronto, Canada, 08:24 in the Hope Seventh-day Adventist Church. 08:26 Right. Right. 08:27 Lisa, what has been some of the adjustments 08:29 you have had to make, just being first lady, 08:31 being the pastor's wife. 08:32 Oh, well, I was liking when he was talking 08:34 about the constant moving 08:36 and recently, we moved from Ottawa to Toronto 08:39 which is like well, it's two years not recent, 08:41 but then I had to give up my job 08:43 and all that, those things are challenging. 08:46 And then, now we're at Hope 08:49 adjusting to that family of Hope, 08:52 it's been a good adjustment. 08:53 Hope is great family 08:55 and they are great people there, 08:56 and they've welcomed us and treated us well. 08:59 How about the children? 09:01 How has transition been for them? 09:03 Initially, the children were really, 09:07 "Ah, no, we don't want to go," but eventually they have to go. 09:12 They have to go. 09:13 They have to go, there's no choice about it, 09:15 but the adjustment and schools making new friends, 09:19 that's always a challenge, 09:20 but, you know, we try to be there for them 09:22 along the every step of the way and tell them, 09:25 "Listen, you know, God is with us, 09:27 he wants us to do this." 09:29 And we try to just instill good values in them. 09:32 Tell them to pray about it. 09:34 Let's try and find good friends for them, you know, all that. 09:37 I've a question, I'm sorry, Arthur. 09:39 Have you and pastor ever had an argument? 09:42 Ah, which couple doesn't have arguments? 09:45 Ah, I tell people all the time. 09:47 The first couple 09:50 or the only couple I have ever known 09:52 of that has been perfect is Adam and Eve, 09:55 and they didn't last for long interval. 09:57 That was good, you just said it yesterday, 09:59 I like that. 10:00 We have this, I say disagreement. 10:02 Disagreement? Okay, you know. 10:04 So you do hear her voice, you hear her? 10:07 Of course. Okay. 10:08 How important is that to you 10:09 being a stomp like man and then the be a pastor? 10:12 Yeah. Yeah. 10:15 Oh, everybody has a right to their own voice 10:18 and their own opinion, 10:19 and it's important to express yourself, 10:23 and sometimes, ego gets in the way, 10:26 and we feel like, you know, 10:28 I think my idea should be supreme, 10:31 but that can cause an argument of course, 10:34 but then you've got to step back and say, 10:36 "Well, you know, there are two of us here 10:37 and we have to listen to the other person 10:40 and strike a compromise somewhere in the middle." 10:43 I like that word compromise. 10:45 Why do you look at me? 10:46 Oh, I was just looking. 10:47 I wasn't going to get started. 10:49 I promise, you know, pastor? 10:50 You know, it's something, you know, you live together, 10:53 you work together, you love together, 10:54 raise children together, you drive together, 10:56 go to church together. 10:57 We go crazy together. 10:59 That's right, you know, but keeping it transparent. 11:02 Exactly. 11:04 Go ahead, I'll hold it. Can I ask my question? 11:05 You can ask your question, I hold my thought. 11:07 Thank you very much. I'll try. 11:08 I want to go back to something in what you said, Lisa? 11:12 You had to give up your job. 11:15 You know, to me, that's a major transition, 11:18 you know, especially, we're talking about 11:21 two incomes coming in to the household, you know. 11:24 So, in the Toronto area now, are you working or not working? 11:28 Actually, no, I'm not. 11:30 Okay, so I'm still in that still transition. 11:32 I'm still transitioning into Toronto area. 11:35 Yeah, so that must be rough, as far as a first-family, 11:39 pastor of the church, and stuff like that. 11:42 Making adjustments where you're bringing in two incomes, 11:45 and then all of a sudden, half of your income is gone? 11:49 But I remember the God who was there yester year 11:53 and he's gonna be the God of today and tomorrow, 11:56 so he'll provide, he always does. 11:58 Excellent, excellent, that's great. 12:01 How is that you're able to enjoy one another? 12:05 How do you enjoy one another? 12:07 You know, I like that needy, quitty. 12:08 You know, how do you guys enjoy, 12:10 like you just, look at it, she's holding your arms. 12:13 Yeah. I thought you go hold my arm? 12:15 After the show, not program. 12:20 You see, it just like, you know, 12:21 you're not sitting on separate sides of couch, 12:23 you know, it's not like 12:26 in between here is real? 12:28 How do you do this? 12:30 How do you make it work? 12:32 Oh, Dr. Kim, I pledged 12:35 and I promised to love her till the death to the spark and. 12:40 I pledged that. 12:43 I just, did it just hit as sincerity? 12:46 Yeah. It got her excited. 12:48 They did know. You pledge what? 12:50 I pledged what he pledged. 12:54 Okay. 12:56 I remember the day I went to her dad 12:58 and I asked her father, you know, 13:00 "May I have your daughter's hand in marriage?" 13:03 And I pledged to him that, 13:05 I would do my best, to make sure she's okay 13:08 and so I'm keeping my promise. 13:11 Did you? 13:13 That's a good point. 13:15 Now did you see a difference like maybe in your generation 13:18 and the generation coming up as far as 13:22 feeling obligated to maintain those relationships 13:26 and working really hard 13:28 and eliminating any difficulties 13:31 that may exist within the family and the household? 13:34 Yeah. 13:35 We're living in an instant, 13:39 get-it-instantly generation and people, who are, 13:43 people who generally don't want to work for anything, 13:45 work hard for anything, 13:47 and the thing about relationship is that 13:49 you've got to put work in. 13:52 I believe in the principle of sowing and reaping. 13:55 If you don't sow, you won't reap, and so for me, 13:59 I believe that it's important to put energy 14:03 and work and the intention 14:04 about getting your relationship going. 14:06 A lot of people today, 14:08 as soon as there is the problem, 14:09 they want to quit, 14:10 and you can't do that to a relationship. 14:14 Arthur would always say divorce is easy 14:16 and marriage takes work. 14:18 I want to go back to that 14:19 ego word in our book added to adjustment, 14:21 the Lord gave me something many years ago. 14:23 Ego, E-G-O, the negative aspect of it is Edging God Out, 14:29 but the positive aspect is Enhancing God Only. 14:32 Amazing, I love that. You can use that phrase. 14:34 I'll let you use that, all right, 14:36 but we have to take that and flip it 14:39 to enhance Him, too, so that He can empower us. 14:42 How are you empowered, Lisa, by this man? 14:45 How does he empower you? 14:47 Well, I'm amazed at what he speaks and yeah, 14:53 he's so intellectual, 14:55 and I like the idea that he dreams big, 14:59 and I'm just there to encourage him, 15:04 and I'm being empowered by him, by what he does. 15:10 And loving him at the same time. 15:13 How do you have fun together? 15:14 What you'll do at your meet time? 15:16 What do you do? Do you have a date night? 15:18 Well, we try for that. 15:20 Yeah, yeah. 15:21 He has one schedule in his diary every week 15:24 for Thursday nights. 15:26 Yeah. That's nice. 15:27 Sometimes, things get in to way and then we have to address, 15:30 but sometimes, we just take a drive down the road 15:33 or point to just go have a cup of tea together 15:36 or something like that, or chocolate. 15:39 A cup of tea, did you see the cup of tea? 15:41 The last time when you made me a cup of tea? 15:43 I don't understand certain things. 15:44 Did you made me a cup of tea this morning? 15:46 Certain things come up 15:47 and you'd look at me like I don't do those things. 15:49 You do those, but let me just say, 15:51 I made you toast this morning. 15:52 I made him toast. Nice. 15:54 But he didn't want my toast. He was full, probably. 15:56 No, he didn't let me eat, yet. 15:58 He said "No, I don't want eat toast." 15:59 So I said "Okay, I eat both pieces." 16:01 Okay. It kept moving. 16:03 It might have been a little selfish in me 16:05 but I was looking for breakfast. 16:08 Yeah, yeah, right. 16:10 He wanted everything. 16:11 It's something better than nothing, 16:13 pastor, you know. 16:15 I think so, I won't get involved. 16:16 You said, you don't end up at these and stand out of this. 16:19 But this is the time when we need your help. 16:20 Yes, yeah. 16:23 You've got to pay me first. 16:25 Yeah. 16:26 Oh, my God. 16:28 You know, do you take in seriously, you go ahead. 16:30 You know, but-- 16:33 You know, your church, recognizing who you're 16:38 and the type of individual you're, do they come to you 16:44 and ask you for direction? 16:47 And, you know, are they willing to share, 16:51 what's going in their families with you? 16:53 Oh, definitely, yes, 16:55 members of my congregation, 16:58 they know that I'm there for them, 17:00 and anything that has to do with relationship issues, 17:04 they will share that with me 17:07 and if I reach a place though where I realize that ethically, 17:12 I cannot provide that kind of a help for them 17:15 based on my other registrations 17:19 and the ethics around my profession 17:23 as a relationship expert, 17:25 then I would have to refer him to somebody else, 17:27 but yeah, I do my best to ensure that I speak with needs, 17:31 the relationship needs, 17:32 and all those other mental aspects 17:34 that they're grappling with. 17:36 Do you see more and more people willing to participate 17:42 and that type of venue 17:44 where they're looking for some assistance 17:46 and they're willing to share 17:48 what's going on within their home? 17:50 Oh, sure, definitely. 17:52 If people realize that you care about them 17:57 and that the, you're somebody who will hold on to their 18:01 in terms of confidentiality, practice is a professional, 18:05 they will share with you. 18:06 They'll come to me and they'll talk to me 18:08 because they know that that I'm not gonna diverge 18:11 those information and so, I've seen a lot of that 18:14 people are coming forward and seeking help. 18:18 You know this relationship has really taking a full turn. 18:21 They see you and the children were not there. 18:23 You always told not allow when we came to for a wedding, 18:26 and they took us to meet the pastor 18:29 and he preached and we were so impressed, 18:32 and he's the intellectual aspect, 18:34 but also we felt the humility of him 18:38 and the way he was able to tie things together. 18:41 I love the way again, 18:43 how you were able to take Nehemiah yesterday 18:46 and rebuilding because that's what we couldn't do it. 18:49 As we couldn't, we didn't know what he was doing, 18:51 God sent Nehemiah, 18:53 Nehemiah got permission for the kings, 18:55 he got last question education, I know there's stuff, 18:57 all right, and so, 18:58 then you're able to tie it in to that 19:01 no matter what we been through. 19:03 And you talked about abuse, sexual abuse, 19:05 you talked about marriages, divorce, 19:07 don't let anyone keep you there. 19:10 You know, is that how do you it every Sabbath? 19:13 When you're in the poppet, no matter where you're. 19:14 Every opportunity I get because I do believe him 19:17 driven by the belief that there is greatness within in us 19:20 irrespective of where we are or where we from, 19:22 we have on tact potential. 19:24 On tact? 19:25 Yeah, and if you could, if you could just help somebody 19:27 and get in there and let him know that, 19:29 "Listen, you can do it, believe in yourself, 19:32 don't let your past define you, 19:34 let it teach you, you can make it." 19:35 I like that. 19:37 And so we are powering ourselves. 19:41 Yeah, let's go on, there is a motivational speaker here. 19:44 I can do all of this. 19:45 Yeah, it's required, isn't that? 19:47 My dad used to say to me when was little girl, 19:49 "You have potential that can be potentiated. 19:53 Don't' mess with them, mess with the younger," 19:55 that's he tried and he said. 19:56 Yeah, I'm talking though. 19:58 As though there's so much, yeah. 20:00 You too, you too. 20:02 You, think I have great potential? 20:03 Oh, it's past great. 20:04 What's my potential? 20:06 It's amazing. 20:07 I can't express it, right now. 20:09 You can point anything, understanding, love, 20:10 I'm a great cook. 20:11 Pastor, can you cook? Of course, I can. 20:13 Can he cook? Oh, yes, yes, he can. 20:14 Oh, he makes a great curry chicken. 20:15 Really. 20:17 We haven't been able to cook. 20:19 Honey, you cook great, that's not a meal. 20:22 Spaghetti? Spaghetti. 20:23 Chilli. Out of the can. Rice. 20:26 Okay, that's going to the bake. 20:28 If it's heated up and I can eat it, that's good. 20:31 Microwave. Microwave. 20:33 Well, he'll come in and if I ask him help me here, 20:35 freezer full of food, refrigerator full of food. 20:38 We don't want to go up there. 20:39 He will open up the refrigerator, 20:41 10 times and he'll say, "There's nothing to eat." 20:46 And then I'll walk through the door, 20:47 put one of those 15-minute meals together, 20:50 he's like wow and I take it too, 20:52 after working all day. 20:54 Wow, isn't that something? 20:55 Wow, isn't that love? That's love. 20:57 That's something. 21:00 Lots of love in that meal. 21:02 I'm telling you, that feels so bad. 21:04 You know, the other night, I worked really, really, late. 21:07 I cooked at 1 am in the morning to have the dinner ready 21:10 the next day 'cause I know I wouldn't be leaving 21:12 the office by 9'o clock. 21:14 Right. So dinner was already there. 21:16 Amazing wife, you're. 21:17 Thank you. Yeah. 21:18 You know. You didn't come down stairs. 21:21 No, but I want some motivational for. 21:23 For cooking the meals at 1'o clock in the morning. 21:25 Absolutely. 21:27 Where? How? I was motivating you. 21:29 Well he'll do the dishes very well. 21:31 You do dishes? Of course, I do dishes. 21:33 Not dishwater, but dishes. 21:35 He does dishes. I do everything. 21:37 Okay, I got a question for you, pastor. 21:40 The pitcher has just this much lemonade. 21:42 We don't, we don't have time to... 21:44 We got to go there. 21:46 You know, I got to ask this question real quick. 21:47 The pitcher has just this much lemonade in it, all right, 21:50 and do you drink it? 21:51 Do you wash the pitcher out 21:53 or do you sit in the refrigerator? 21:55 What do you do? It all depends. 21:56 On what? Most times, I'll wash it out. 21:59 You drink it and wash it out? 22:00 Yeah, mostly. 22:01 You don't leave the sugar or... 22:03 Oh, no, no, I wash it. 22:04 Did you hear what he said? Most. 22:05 It is significant. 22:07 For what? And you keep missing it. 22:09 Well, what was it, dear? It depends on his feelings, 22:12 from where he is. 22:14 Eliminate the path, that was your feeling? 22:17 I'm not getting involved. 22:20 Listen, we got 30 minutes into this show 22:23 and went through the program, 22:24 and we just want to thank you both, 22:25 closing words to our couples who're watching it today. 22:28 How you made it work? 22:30 Encourage them, both of you. 22:31 Lisa, start with you. 22:33 I think it is a challenge, 22:35 just speak it out with your husband. 22:38 Communication is key. Okay. 22:40 And not just hard work, you just keep working at it. 22:45 Love the person that you've got married to everyday for life. 22:49 Amen. Pastor. 22:51 Go back from the beginning, 22:53 think about all those lovely moments 22:55 you had when you just got started. 22:57 And try to relive that experience every single day, 23:01 and in addition to that, I would say, remember this, 23:04 every single human being needs to feel, 23:07 seen, heard, and understood. 23:10 Thank you both so much. 23:11 Dr. Floyd and Mrs. Spence, God bless you. 23:14 My pleasure, thanks, thank you. 23:16 Thank you, thank you. 23:18 Thank you Arthur. 23:25 Arthur, Pastor Spence and his wife, 23:27 what a thought provoking interview, 23:30 give us some feedback. 23:31 Well, basically, I like his sensitivity, 23:33 his relationship with his family 23:35 that stands out. 23:37 I like his enthusiasm and his motivation. 23:40 So, you know, I was really blast by them 23:42 the whole interview. 23:44 Oh, you know, when you talk about 23:45 the balancing the relationships, 23:46 what some of the things we need to do, 23:48 especially, people with very busy schedules 23:50 who have very, very committed relationships? 23:53 I think, what's really important is that 23:55 you have good communication skills 23:58 with your support system. 24:00 You know, you won't have any 24:03 opportunity to really balance the relationship 24:05 unless your support is sound and in place. 24:08 I like that and also when you talked about his motivation, 24:12 he's empowered by his motivation 24:14 and that also pours into his family. 24:16 What did you see in their relationship 24:17 with he and his family? 24:19 I saw the love that exists between his wife and him 24:24 and the children and so how, 24:27 his children were very respectful. 24:30 It wasn't like they were intimidated or anything, 24:33 they were just respectful, you know, 24:35 when he asked him to sit down, they just got quite 24:38 and sat down, I mean that's very important. 24:42 You know when you think about the relationships 24:45 that we have with Jesus Christ, 24:47 how do you see Pastor Spence and his relation with Christ? 24:50 You know, I see his relationship with Christ 24:54 has been everything to him. 24:56 It's his motivation and even talking to him 24:58 before we went on air, he was enthusiastic, you know, 25:05 about his relationship with God, 25:06 and how he felt the God was really important 25:10 and directed his path. 25:12 It was so amazing he preached that morning, 25:15 that afternoon, he did our AY program, 25:18 Adventist Youth program or evening program 25:21 for the Sabbath close of the Sabbath. 25:23 Then came on Dare to Dream to do Making it Work, amazing. 25:29 So again balancing that whole situation. 25:31 See the Bible says and I love the scripture, 25:33 2 Timothy 1:7 25:36 "For God has not give us spirit of fear, 25:39 no fear, but of love, power, and a sound mind." 25:44 And that comes God, reading the word of God, 25:46 standing on His word and allowing His word 25:48 to manifest through you, and that's what I saw 25:51 through Pastor Spence, I saw that, you know, 25:54 he's a happy man too. 25:56 I think, he's comfortable with who he is. 25:59 Oh, that's important? 26:01 Why is that important? 26:02 Because it really is like enthusiasm, it's motivation, 26:07 knowing who you're, knowing your limitations, 26:09 and knowing what you like to do, 26:11 and you using them in every aspect you know. 26:15 A banker who is a good banker, 26:18 he recognizes that, it really encourages him 26:22 to be the best that he can be. 26:23 When he's greeting people, 26:24 when he's talking to his customers, all that-- 26:26 Confidence. Confidence. Commitment. 26:28 Commitment, support, love, you know, 26:32 learning how to love and being able to utilize that, 26:36 and being able to give the space necessary to grow, 26:39 you got to be willing to do that. 26:41 And recognizing what's important to you? 26:44 The areas that's important to you, 26:47 I mean, there is things that he had to understand 26:51 that would stand out more than anything else, 26:53 his relationship with his family. 26:55 Oh, yes. 26:56 Is very important and he shows in everything that he does. 26:59 I believe he has the biblical order God, 27:03 his wife, his family, his ministry, 27:06 I believe that you know. 27:08 And you have to have things in biblical order for God 27:11 to able to allow those to grow 27:14 and allow them to be used by him 27:16 and see, you have to understand that God wants to use you, 27:20 God wants to use all of us for his kingdom building. 27:24 Well, I thank the Lord for this Spence family 27:26 and I thank the Lord for allowing us 27:28 to have another broadcast with you on Making it Work. 27:31 I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin. 27:33 I'm Arthur Nowlin. 27:34 And God bless. |
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