Participants: Arthur Nowlin & Kim Logan-Nowlin (Host), Marvin & Tina Kyle
Series Code: MIW
Program Code: MIW000057A
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00:31 Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin.
00:33 And I'm Arthur Nowlin. 00:35 Okay, Arthur, you know being married and working together, 00:39 it takes a lot of energy. 00:41 Yes. 00:42 Didn't it take a lot of energy to be married to me? 00:43 Oh, Kim. Why do you say, oh, Kim. 00:45 I don't have enough energy. 00:48 You know, I like things moving, I like to keep things going 00:51 and being motivated. 00:53 Yeah, absolutely. 00:54 I think that's, you know, a wife's job 00:56 to keep her husband going. 00:57 I mean who gave you that job? 00:59 Jesus, in the name, the Lord said 01:01 submit thyself unto thy husband. 01:03 Ah, no, Kim. 01:04 Don't you think I submit, do I submit? 01:07 You're taking too long to answer my question. 01:09 Let's move on from that subject, yeah. 01:10 Let's move on? No I want an answer. 01:12 Do you think I am a submissive wife? 01:13 No. Oh, really? 01:17 Am I difficult? 01:18 You can be, you know, but you know, 01:21 once again I have to relay back, 01:24 Kim how fortunate you are, with the type of person I am, 01:27 and with my personality, I'm able to adjust to you 01:33 as well as get you to adjust to me. 01:35 So being equally yoked? Absolutely. 01:38 So that's important, being equally yoked. 01:40 Willing to be equally yoked, you know-- 01:42 I'm willing. 01:43 Because, being equally yoked, I'm under the impression that, 01:46 you can think that you're equally yoked 01:48 but still you have to work on it. 01:50 It is a daily process. 01:52 It's a constant process. I'm a work in progress. 01:55 Yes, and I am too, Kim. 01:56 Praise the Lord, I'm so glad you said that. 01:58 Well that takes us to our interview. 02:01 You know, with Tina and Marvin, building a marriage 02:06 that's going to be able to stand the test of time. 02:08 There's been a lot of ups and downs in this marriage 02:12 and we've been counseling them for a long time 02:14 but they are in it to win it. 02:17 And I'm excited about that, so marriage takes work, 02:21 it takes to being a submissive partner, 02:24 submissive, that means the Bible says, 02:26 husbands submit thyself unto the Lord. 02:29 Amen. Yeah. 02:30 You know, Arthur, you do, you really do. 02:32 I think at times I've to say that I give you a hard time 02:35 because I'm not stubborn, 02:37 it's just sometimes I just like things my way. 02:39 Kim, Kim. What? 02:40 That's not to say that you're not stubborn, 02:42 I mean, we're talking about being honest, right? 02:45 Right, right, right. 02:48 We don't want to go back to the lying stage. 02:51 Well, listen, I want to submit. 02:53 But listen, we're going to go to the interview 02:55 with Tina and Marvin 02:57 and the importance of how to stand 02:59 the test of time, staying married. 03:05 Marvin and Tina Kyle, thank you for being on Making It Work. 03:09 Let me ask you, how long you've been married? 03:11 Seventeen years. 03:13 Seventeen years, where did you meet? 03:15 Well, I was in high school, I was in the tenth grade 03:19 and my best friend had told me that she knew a guy 03:23 that was really nice for me to meet. 03:25 And I met him after school, yes, 03:30 and he was older than I was 03:33 and I've been knowing my husband 03:35 since I was 15 years old, 03:37 he's a little older than I am but-- 03:40 Just a little. 03:41 So we've been-- we've known each other for a long time. 03:44 Okay and you have how many children? 03:46 We have three children. And what are their ages? 03:48 Miranda is 12, no I'm sorry, Miranda is 16, 03:51 Marvin is 12 and Tovin is 2. 03:54 Okay, so let me ask you, 03:56 what are some of the challenges you face in your marriage 03:59 and how do you make it work? 04:03 Well, some of the challenges that we face in our marriage, 04:07 communication, it's really hard when one partner, 04:12 me being a female 04:14 who communicates about everything, 04:18 try to communicate with someone who has a closed mind 04:23 about communicating. 04:25 My husband, he is very quiet when it come down to 04:30 talking about issues that need to be discussed 04:33 and so it's really a hard way 04:41 of trying to make it work and come together 04:43 when we have issues that need to be discussed, 04:46 just the small things, because sometimes I forget, 04:49 and he remember more than I do 04:53 but when it comes to dealing with issues in our marriage, 04:59 that's where we hit the head. 05:02 And, Marvin, when she discusses issues with you, 05:08 is that like a red flag for you or something, I mean, 05:11 to the point where you don't want to share your feelings? 05:17 I don't think it's a red flag, I just think far as a man, men, 05:22 men normally keep stuff bottled up. 05:26 I don't know why, I don't know, we're just wired that way. 05:29 For lots as men just keep things in, 05:31 we don't want to like just release everything, 05:34 we want to just get everything in little increments. 05:38 I think if we did do more like that, 05:41 we'll have better relationships out there. 05:43 If you communicate. 05:44 If you communicate more and understand 05:47 that communication goes a long way 05:51 and when you don't communicate, 05:53 that's when you can get things misconstrued, 05:56 change that where people think 05:58 you're saying one thing you're not. 05:59 And if you go ahead and communicate with each other 06:01 and fall on the same level or same page, then you're good. 06:05 Is that something that you want to do? 06:07 Yes. Okay. 06:09 Why is it that your wife said that 06:11 that's the problem in your relationship? 06:14 It's a problem, 06:15 but that's something you've to work out 06:17 and it's not just with me and her, 06:19 it's with myself 06:20 and I'm going to have to be able to open up more. 06:23 Open up more, be able to discuss more things, 06:26 you know, some things, you know, 06:27 you probably don't want to discuss, 06:28 but you just got to just let go and just talk about them 06:32 and that's all the way. 06:33 Were you raised with both your parents? 06:35 No. Okay. 06:37 Started off with both parents 06:38 and then it was just one and my mother. 06:40 So I think when you don't have that man figure in the house, 06:44 sometimes you might go, like, quiet 06:47 though she gotten more quiet than anything, 06:49 I don't talk a lot, 06:51 I think that has something to do with it, 06:53 but, you know, with your mom, she really can't be the father, 06:59 she can want to be the father and do things 07:02 to try to replace that role, but she can't. 07:06 So you said that by the dad not being in home 07:11 left a void with you. 07:13 Mm-hmm. 07:14 Okay, so how do you overcome that? 07:17 I don't know, do you really overcome it. 07:19 I think you can-- 07:22 Well, if you're stagnating. 07:23 Right, you're stagnating, 07:24 but I think you can eventually get over it, 07:28 I mean, 'cause you know you've your own kids 07:30 and things and you've to learn from that 07:33 'cause your kids looking to you to be the father, 07:36 you know, to, you know, have fun with him, 07:39 do everything that your dad didn't do, 07:40 so you have to change the way you think. 07:43 And so, I think it is a possibility 07:46 of what you can be that man, 07:49 that you want to be far as the father to your kids 07:51 and get past that, so-- 07:54 Do you trust sharing information with your wife? 07:59 Yeah, I trust sharing information, 08:01 it's just sometimes like I say, it's just being difficult 08:04 'cause I guess, I won't say we're bullheaded far as men, 08:07 but we just like just... ourselves. 08:11 I mean we can talk to another guy, 08:13 it won't be no problem. 08:14 We will let everything go in front of another male, 08:16 but when it's talking to your significant other, 08:19 it's a little different, 08:20 but I think we just got to understand 08:23 that they are here to help us 08:25 and they are not there to hurt us. 08:27 And we've got to understand that, we've got to just let go. 08:30 Do you think you're both equally yoked? 08:32 You know the Bible speaks about, 08:33 "Be thou not unequally yoked." 08:36 And do you feel that you're equally yoked 08:38 as far as your personalities, you likes or dislikes, 08:42 which you know, just overall. 08:44 Do you feel that you're equally yoked Tina? 08:46 I think we're equally yoked in terms of our childhood. 08:51 We both come from childhoods that were very challenging 08:56 and with that said, 08:59 I thought we were coming together 09:01 with a goal of wanting to create 09:03 that family environment for our future, 09:06 for our children. 09:08 So in speaking in that term, I think we're equally yoked. 09:13 But there are times that I think 09:15 that we're unequally yoked, spiritually, 09:18 because like I said, I'm more verbally 09:21 and my prayer life is a little more aggressive 09:28 I would say, than I would say, 09:31 I don't know how often he prays, 09:32 I can't speak for him but I speak for me. 09:34 I'm more aggressive with my prayer life with God. 09:37 And I think that if we'd just come together, 09:41 live more and be one, on one accord spiritually, 09:47 I think that would be a challenge 09:49 that we could overcome. 09:51 But that's one of the challenges 09:52 that we face in our marriage 09:54 is not being able to come together 09:56 and be on one accord 09:58 in terms of prayer and seeking God. 10:01 What's blocking you from being on one accord? 10:05 You know, being the husband, being the spiritual leader, 10:07 is it the work schedule? 10:09 I mean, what is it that keeps you all from praying together, 10:12 reading the word together, regular attendance in church, 10:16 tithing together, what is the block? 10:20 I think it's, I think it's... 10:26 a work of the enemy 10:27 who's trying to tear the family, 10:30 the foundation of our family down and we allow it to happen. 10:35 We have to make decisions 10:38 in terms of what are we going to do today. 10:40 Are we going to pray today? 10:42 Are we going to fellowship today 10:44 in terms of reading our Bible and praying together? 10:46 We have to make that decision, 10:48 but the enemy set a blocks in our family 10:52 where we're too tired or we're too busy 10:54 or the kids are pulling at us. 10:58 There's so much going on everyday, 11:00 when you go to work, you got homework, 11:02 you got, okay, you got to take a bath, 11:03 you've got to do this, you've got to do that. 11:05 He come home, he's tired and by the time, 11:08 at the end of the day, we're tired 11:10 and we don't have that time to sit down and say okay, 11:14 let's open our Bible and read 11:17 and let's have prayer, sometimes it's challenging. 11:21 But what I find that works for me 11:25 is morning prayer. 11:27 I have to get up early and that's my time 11:29 that I have with God and I read my Bible and I pray. 11:33 Everybody don't do that. 11:35 That's not for everybody, but that works for me. 11:37 But as a family, you know, 11:40 the enemy is out to tearing up the family. 11:42 There's enemy out to destroy the family. 11:45 So as a whole, we have to make that decision 11:49 to come over, to get over that harm. 11:52 Okay, all right. 11:53 Now hearing what Tina is saying, you know, 11:59 I would think that this has come up 12:01 within your marriage about prayer, you know. 12:06 What are some of the things that you think 12:09 would change the situation 12:12 and allow you to provide that aspect 12:16 within your family structure? 12:19 I think you have to make time. 12:23 You have to make time in some kind of way. 12:25 We make time for everything else. 12:27 Yes. 12:28 You know, you want to go to the movies, 12:30 want to watch sports, you know, 12:31 'cause I'm like into sports so 12:33 you make the time for everything else 12:36 but you don't make time for God. 12:38 and that's the issue. 12:39 I think I we've got to put some of the things behind us, 12:42 put it to the side. 12:44 If we had the TiVo, TiVo and record it, watch it later, 12:47 but I think that's the main thing. 12:49 You have to put things aside and put God first. 12:53 When you put God second, that's where the enemy comes in 12:56 and destroys your family and does everything. 12:59 So I think, that's what I have to do 13:01 and I'm the head of the household. 13:03 It's my job to come in, start praying with the family, 13:08 pull the Bibles out, start, you know, 13:11 start going in depth into the Bible. 13:13 And if I don't do it, who will? 13:17 And I cannot wait for her to do it, I have to do it. 13:20 You know, kids look up to their dad first, 13:22 it's the father and then the wife 13:24 so it's up to me to do it. 13:27 I like something that you all have in place. 13:30 Wednesdays are your days off 13:32 and you get the children after school 13:34 and you take them out to eat. 13:36 You take them to some type of activity 13:38 and you really spend that quality time 13:41 and one of our exercises was that 13:43 you would pick up the baby, baby Tovlin 13:46 and you were to go home and cook 13:47 and I think that night you all had pizza 13:49 and you just enjoyed watching the television program 13:53 but how did that feel? 13:55 Just letting her go to work, come home, do nothing, 14:00 all right, she called me, she says, 14:01 "I not supposed to do anything?" 14:03 and I said, "Nothing." 14:04 You know and you took care of everything 14:06 and she said you did. 14:07 How did that make you feel? 14:09 Felt good, it felt good, and I know it's my day off 14:12 and I know she had a hard day's work, 14:14 so sometimes it's good for her to come home 14:16 and just relax and unwind 14:18 'cause I know being at work it can be stressful. 14:21 It can be stressful, you know 14:23 who you're dealing with all day, 14:24 you only feed or not, 14:26 it can be physically, it can be mentally, 14:28 so sometimes it's good to just come home, 14:30 you know, and be able to relax and enjoy the family 14:34 instead of warm up everything to do. 14:36 Okay. 14:37 One of the things that I'm interested in is finding out 14:42 if you have a plan for your marriage? 14:46 Does that make sense to you? 14:47 Definitely. 14:49 You know, and what is that plan? 14:50 What's the plan 14:52 for a successful relationship between the both of you? 14:57 What do you think? 14:59 That's a good question. 15:00 That's the key-- That is so massive. 15:02 That's a good question. That's a good question. 15:04 I haven't, you know-- 15:05 Now and then. Yeah. 15:07 That was good, you know, I got to borrow that one. 15:10 I don't want you to. 15:11 I will say basically a plan is basically you should make time 15:15 for each other which date night. 15:18 Have a date on a certain day, have a family night 15:21 and I think always keep the family far as 15:24 when it's dinner time or anything, 15:26 bring everybody to the table. 15:27 It's so easy for, some of be upstairs, on the phone, 15:31 or on a computer and everybody is everywhere. 15:34 To bring everybody together in one place, you know, 15:37 and enjoy each other's company that's the start of a plan. 15:40 Starting to have that unity for us as a family 15:45 and for us just to be in the kitchen 15:47 cooking together, you know, on a Sunday or something. 15:50 That's something that is good for the family. 15:53 Even you can bring the kids in 15:54 if you're making desserts or something, 15:56 bring them in, have them help, you know, 15:59 I think they'll love that, you know, 16:01 and besides just try to always go somewhere 16:03 'cause sometimes you find can't do this, 16:05 so you always can do stuff together at the home. 16:07 So I think that's a start of a plan 16:09 that could bring everybody together. 16:11 I remember one night, Tina had accidentally 16:15 taken the keys to both cars 16:17 and so you were home with the children, 16:19 you told me it turned out to be just fine. 16:22 In your interaction with the children, 16:27 when they see you and mom together, you know, 16:30 what do they see? 16:31 What do they see between the two of you? 16:33 Well, they just love us being together, I mean, 16:36 when they see us together, I mean, that's everything. 16:39 They don't want us to be apart 16:41 and I think when they see us together 16:43 that gives them the calms or sense of security 16:47 that the parents are going to be together. 16:49 There's no such thing as leaving each other. 16:51 They're going to be always be there for us. 16:53 So I think that's a good thing. 16:56 And like you said when I took them over and had a Wednesdays 16:59 and have fun with them, they love daddy time. 17:01 They love daddy time. 17:03 They love daddy time, they love daddy time. 17:04 They can do it everyday if I could anyway. 17:07 You need to go to work, you don't need to go to work, 17:09 stay home, you know, play with us or just talk to us 17:12 and interact with them and they love it. 17:15 I saw it, I really did when you came here 17:18 and they were very, very attached to you 17:21 and they love mother, oh, definitely 17:23 but usually, you know, 17:25 you don't see the father and I do commend you, 17:28 anytime I ask you to come in, and when you do come 17:30 and the children, what we'd been working on. 17:33 How important is it for you to have the children 17:38 to have a voice in your relationship. 17:40 Do they have a voice? 17:41 I think they should have a voice. 17:43 I think they do have a voice. 17:45 And I think their voice is very important 17:49 because they see things that we don't see, you know, 17:54 when you're in a relationship you don't see the, you know, 17:59 the challenges that you go through, 18:02 all you know is that you're in it. 18:03 And sometimes they may point out, 18:07 you know, things that I may have said 18:10 that was a little harsh or something 18:12 that I could've done a little better. 18:15 And it helps. 18:17 But they have played a big role 18:23 in the survival of our marriage 18:27 because of their voice. 18:29 They are very... 18:35 they have a vary strong feeling about keeping us together 18:40 and not divide us, you know, 18:43 they do everything that they can, 18:44 you know, just to stay out of our way 18:46 and let us be together alone. 18:48 They don't overstep their boundaries 18:51 in terms of being in our room too long now I've noticed that. 18:53 Okay. 18:55 But their voice, yes, it's very important. 18:58 Even though they're children, like back in the day it was, 19:02 children should be seen and not heard-- 19:03 Not heard. 19:04 And I don't think that that's the way 19:06 that you would raise a healthy child 19:08 because their voice is important 19:09 and they need to learn to express themselves 19:11 especially in, you know, 19:15 when it comes to their feelings and their emotion 19:18 and being in a relationship with their parents. 19:21 I invited your children to come to counseling 19:24 and I wanted to meet them and talk with them 19:26 to hear their voice and truly they do have a voice 19:31 and they are very open about their feelings, 19:34 what they want and expect in their home 19:37 and what they want from you as parents 19:40 and I commend you for that 19:42 'cause some parents wouldn't have brought their children 19:44 and in counseling it doesn't mean you're sick 19:47 or you're messed up or you're insane, 19:51 it means that you're just asking for some directions, 19:54 you know, 'cause all we can give you-- 19:55 And my husband taught me this a long time ago, 19:57 his suggestions is up to you to implement those suggestions. 20:02 Where do you all go from here to continue to making it work? 20:07 What do you do? 20:08 What are you going to do? 20:09 I'm going to continue praying 20:12 and ask God to give me the strength to be the mother 20:17 that I need to be for my children. 20:19 And to give me patience when they come to me and whine. 20:24 Because there are times when I want to give up, 20:27 and I want to quit, and I want to run, 20:29 but I know that, that's not the answer. 20:36 I want to be more of caring person 20:42 in terms of-- towards my husband 20:44 there are times when I'm tired 20:47 and I don't feel like you know giving myself, 20:52 but those are the times I need to sacrifice 20:55 and be more sensitive to his need. 20:58 And just be more open, you know, 21:03 be open-minded to what could be the possibilities 21:06 of making it work. 21:08 All right, great! 21:09 And Marvin? 21:11 You have about a minute left. 21:13 Come one, tell us what you're thinking? 21:15 It is funny, 'cause I was just thinking of something 21:18 what she said before, 21:19 'cause she had brought up to me about men in intimacy 21:24 and we sometimes run from it 21:27 and it don't always mean physical, 21:28 it can be mentally and I think 21:31 with that long as you intimate physically 21:34 and mentally with your wife, 21:36 anything is possible, anything. 21:38 You can go everywhere with that 21:40 and I think we just got to dig deep down 21:44 'cause like I said we shall shelter, 21:45 we keep everything closed in 21:47 if we release ourselves to each other 21:50 I think our marriage can flourish. 21:52 All right. 21:54 I think one of the things 21:55 that I would like to make a comment on is 21:57 the fact that I see a lot of sincerity in 22:00 how you are expressing your feelings 22:02 about your relationship 22:04 and I just encourage you to focus on the prayer aspect. 22:11 I think that's going to be very significant. 22:14 So that's my encouragement. 22:16 You just hang in there, you know, and don't quit. 22:20 And you can't quit and I have to say, 22:22 when the moment you came into counseling and to now, 22:25 the effort that you are giving, you're making it work 22:27 and you're allowing God to make a change. 22:29 I'm proud of you both, let's keep going forward. 22:32 Can we do that? 22:33 Yes. Yes. 22:35 All right, thank you for being with us. 22:36 God bless you both. 22:38 God bless. 22:39 Thank you. Thank you, Tina. 22:40 Yeah. 22:43 Arthur, how do we stand the test of time? 22:46 You know, there are lot of marriages 22:47 really going through, 22:49 people holding on by a thread to stay married. 22:52 How do we do this? 22:54 How? 22:55 You have to take a risk to give up the old ways 22:58 and do what everything that's required for you 23:01 to keep your marriage together. 23:03 I see. 23:04 You know, if sometimes one person 23:06 is a little bit more sensitive than the other person 23:10 and sometimes that sensitive person 23:13 has to say okay, yes, I was wrong. 23:17 Yes, that I felt that I was disrespected, 23:21 but I'm going to work on my relationship anyway, 23:24 I'm going to try to resolve our issues. 23:27 Just like me, I'd be the first one to say I'm sorry. 23:30 Kim. I apologize. 23:32 Arthur, okay I just got to tell you 23:34 what happened today. 23:36 I was cooking breakfast 23:38 and I was cooking some eggs in the microwave 23:41 and I was going into a discussion with Arthur, 23:44 we're going to keep it real here on making it work, 23:47 so I was looking for an apology from him 23:50 and he said, "I didn't hear it." 23:52 I took the plate of the eggs out 23:54 and it exploded in my face 23:56 and the eggs was in my eyes, 23:58 it was everywhere and he ran to help me, 24:01 and my face was swollen, my neck, 24:03 but still God blessed us to do the taping, to do this today. 24:07 But again recognizing that I was willing to submit, 24:12 but I think if I had to just let it go and I focused in on 24:16 what was going on with the microwave, 24:17 I don't think that would have happened to me today. 24:18 So you said two things right there though, 24:20 may be it is same thing as occurring with the Kyles, 24:25 you know, they had a discussion. 24:28 The Kyles constantly were having disagreements, 24:32 you know, and yet your frustration and your anger 24:37 made you take those eggs out of the microwave. 24:39 I wasn't watching, I wasn't watching. 24:40 Well I was paying attention, you know-- 24:42 Right, right. 24:43 And so how many times has that happened in other areas, 24:45 you have not paid attention, 24:47 I will tell you to do something and you'd not pay attention. 24:50 So I'm telling you, you know, once again, 24:53 if you don't follow my lead, 24:54 you may have experiences like that. 24:57 Oh my goodness, you know, again, 24:59 that's where we needs to just be humble, 25:01 humble thyself onto the Lord. 25:03 I tell you-- but I thank you, 25:05 I thank God that you were there to help me 25:07 through that difficulty but with the-- 25:09 I got over my frustration, 25:11 my anger and I ran to your rescue. 25:14 You did. Just like a good husband would. 25:16 Okay, but look at the fact that the Kyles, 25:19 how they wanted to give up, 25:21 how they wanted to not be there to help each other, 25:24 like you were there to help me today. 25:25 So, you know, when you say they wanted to give up. 25:28 Let's look at that because did they really want to give up 25:31 because if they really wanted to give up, 25:34 they would not come to seek some type of intervention, 25:39 you know, and they had a desire to do that 25:40 and they've been with us for a while now. 25:42 Oh, definitely. 25:44 You know so they're fighting for their relationship 25:46 but once again they understand 25:48 that there are some barriers within their relationship. 25:50 That's it, there are some barriers. 25:51 That they had to get over 25:53 and it's usually family origin issues. 25:56 Her issues is dealing with how she was raised as a child 26:00 and his is the same way. 26:02 He has expectations of how she's supposed to act. 26:06 All right, so give us some solutions. 26:07 What do we need to do, 26:08 first of all you said we have to-- 26:10 I told you earlier, 26:11 one of the things is a person has to take a risk-- 26:12 Take a risk. To make a change. 26:14 Okay, we have to take a risk to make a change. 26:16 A paradigm shift. 26:18 Oh, I like that paradigm shift. 26:19 So while I'm on one freeway and it's shut down, 26:21 I'm not going to sit there if I see a way or exit. 26:24 I'm taking that exit and getting off that freeway. 26:28 So I won't stay stagnated. 26:30 You're going into a different direction. 26:31 I'm going into a new direction? 26:33 You expect a different solution. 26:35 All right, now what else? 26:36 The second thing is that you understand 26:39 that it may not work the first time, 26:43 but I don't stop trying. 26:45 Did you hear that? 26:46 You don't stop trying 26:47 even though you don't see an instant release. 26:49 Lot of people look for instant gratification. 26:52 Absolutely. It's not going to happen. 26:54 The behavior didn't occur overnight 26:56 and it's not going to change overnight. 26:58 So we have to be patient. 27:00 I think patience is a great avenue to use, you know, 27:03 an asset to use, okay. 27:04 Patience is excellent. 27:06 You know and beyond all of those solutions, 27:09 primary thing is that 27:11 they have to come together through prayer. 27:13 Prayer, prayer. 27:15 I'm telling you, without the power of prayer 27:17 and the Holy Spirit, you just can't do anything. 27:21 You need God to lead you. 27:23 Arthur, I just want to say God is leading, He's moving, 27:27 and remember, with God I can do all things through Christ. 27:31 God bless you. I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin. 27:33 I'm Arthur Nowlin. God bless. |
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