Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin. 00:00:31.99\00:00:34.10 I'm Arthur Nowlin. 00:00:34.13\00:00:35.46 And welcome, to making it work. 00:00:35.50\00:00:37.87 Arthur, connected by love. 00:00:37.90\00:00:41.10 I always feel connected to you. 00:00:41.14\00:00:43.17 But do I ever smother you, or you need your space? 00:00:43.20\00:00:46.37 Well, sometimes you do, Kim, 00:00:46.41\00:00:47.74 but it's okay, I've gotten used to it. 00:00:47.78\00:00:49.78 Wait, wait, wait, how do I smother you? 00:00:49.81\00:00:52.01 Yeah, you know. 00:00:52.05\00:00:53.38 There's this thing you, the honey do list. 00:00:53.42\00:00:57.09 Okay. Okay, honey do list. 00:00:57.12\00:00:58.45 And sometimes it could be a little bit. 00:00:58.49\00:00:59.85 It could be a little bit long. It could be a little bit long. 00:00:59.89\00:01:01.36 I mean especially after coming 00:01:01.39\00:01:02.89 from a rough day on a golf course. 00:01:02.92\00:01:04.53 Oh, yes. 00:01:04.56\00:01:05.89 Okay, so that honey do list gets longer and longer 00:01:05.93\00:01:08.46 because you did 18 hours. 00:01:08.50\00:01:10.57 Now, can you imagine? 00:01:10.60\00:01:12.33 Now, I'm talking connected by love. 00:01:12.37\00:01:13.94 Can you imagine? 00:01:13.97\00:01:15.30 Nine holes on the golf course. 00:01:15.34\00:01:16.67 Then it turns to 18, then it's 27? 00:01:16.71\00:01:18.67 Well, Kim. 00:01:18.71\00:01:20.04 They only do is 27 is a rarity, 18 is standard. 00:01:20.08\00:01:22.81 Oh, really? 00:01:22.84\00:01:24.18 But you should understand that, 00:01:24.21\00:01:25.55 I mean you've been with me long enough to know 00:01:25.58\00:01:27.08 that I'm going to do 18. 00:01:27.12\00:01:28.58 That's true and I didn't know. 00:01:28.62\00:01:29.95 So, why do you pile on extra stuff? 00:01:29.98\00:01:33.19 On my honey do list? Yes. 00:01:33.22\00:01:34.69 'Cause I'm connected by love. 00:01:34.72\00:01:36.86 I just need to make sure that those things get done 00:01:36.89\00:01:39.19 and it makes me feel good when we do them together. 00:01:39.23\00:01:41.36 And I understand. 00:01:41.40\00:01:43.30 I guess that's why I try to extend myself to you 00:01:43.33\00:01:46.13 to show that I'm connected by love as well. 00:01:46.17\00:01:48.40 Connected. 00:01:48.44\00:01:49.90 Well, what's some of the things 00:01:49.94\00:01:51.27 that helps couple to stay connected? 00:01:51.31\00:01:53.88 Doing things together, you know. 00:01:53.91\00:01:56.48 You know, I think it's really important 00:01:56.51\00:01:58.68 when couples do find equal medium 00:01:58.71\00:02:01.78 and they enjoy being with each other. 00:02:01.82\00:02:04.32 Okay, almost like a happy medium. 00:02:04.35\00:02:05.85 Yeah. All right. 00:02:05.89\00:02:07.22 So looking at the importance of prayer, 00:02:07.26\00:02:09.99 praying together. 00:02:10.03\00:02:11.56 Man, that's, that's always added pleasure. 00:02:11.59\00:02:16.30 You know, to be able to pray with each other. 00:02:16.33\00:02:19.53 You can get, you can even get excited about it. 00:02:19.57\00:02:21.80 Oh, definitely. 00:02:21.84\00:02:23.17 And what about studying the word of God together. 00:02:23.20\00:02:24.87 That also. 00:02:24.91\00:02:26.24 You know, the Bible says, 00:02:26.27\00:02:27.61 "Study to show thy self approve, 00:02:27.64\00:02:29.04 a workman that need not be ashamed 00:02:29.08\00:02:31.28 rightly dividing the word of truth." 00:02:31.31\00:02:33.68 Well, we are going to talk to two lovely people. 00:02:33.72\00:02:37.25 And we want to welcome Darryl and Heather, 00:02:37.29\00:02:41.16 connected by love. 00:02:41.19\00:02:43.96 And today's society is so hard to stay connected. 00:02:43.99\00:02:47.40 But we know that Darryl and Heather 00:02:47.43\00:02:50.23 have stayed connected in their marriage by love. 00:02:50.27\00:02:56.71 Darryl and Heather Dixon, 00:02:56.74\00:02:59.14 it's so good to have you back here. 00:02:59.17\00:03:01.01 Thanks for having us. Thank you. 00:03:01.04\00:03:02.38 Let's talk about relationship. 00:03:02.41\00:03:04.91 Let's talk about your relationship, 00:03:04.95\00:03:06.38 committed to love. 00:03:06.41\00:03:08.15 Since the last time we saw you, you were engaged to be married. 00:03:08.18\00:03:11.35 You are blended family. 00:03:11.39\00:03:12.95 Some new things have happened. 00:03:12.99\00:03:14.49 Tell us about what's going on in the Dixon family? 00:03:14.52\00:03:18.99 Well, we, we have a new addition to the family. 00:03:19.03\00:03:25.17 My youngest daughter, her name is Maven. 00:03:25.20\00:03:28.30 And so, since she has been here, 00:03:28.34\00:03:33.41 a lot of things have changed and-- 00:03:33.44\00:03:38.45 But I would say that it's been, it's getting better 00:03:38.48\00:03:43.89 and it's been better 00:03:43.92\00:03:46.02 just having, you know, those changes. 00:03:46.05\00:03:50.79 Okay, let's back up a minute. 00:03:50.83\00:03:52.16 You got married. 00:03:52.19\00:03:53.76 When did you get married? 00:03:53.80\00:03:55.13 We got married November 11, 2011. 00:03:55.16\00:03:58.20 And 2011, and the baby was born. 00:03:58.23\00:04:00.47 Yeah. 00:04:00.50\00:04:01.84 And then now, what is different now? 00:04:01.87\00:04:03.94 You've been in the household versus when you were engaged. 00:04:03.97\00:04:07.04 You're there now every day, 00:04:07.08\00:04:08.54 you know, raising two children, married, responsibilities. 00:04:08.58\00:04:12.58 What is different now? 00:04:12.61\00:04:15.85 I don't think there's a big difference 00:04:15.88\00:04:18.65 in relation, relational wise 00:04:18.69\00:04:21.72 but what is different is time management, 00:04:21.76\00:04:28.36 and having, having a new addition to the family. 00:04:28.40\00:04:32.50 The time, we have to use our time more wisely. 00:04:32.53\00:04:35.60 And it's not a whole lot of it, because she consumes 00:04:35.64\00:04:39.01 a lot of my time and Heather's time, so. 00:04:39.04\00:04:44.61 When we talk about connected to love, 00:04:44.65\00:04:46.21 or connected by love, Heather. 00:04:46.25\00:04:47.98 How are you now more connected to Darryl, 00:04:48.02\00:04:50.95 now that you're married to him? 00:04:50.99\00:04:52.59 Well, I feel like Darryl and I 00:04:52.62\00:04:54.22 have been to the battlefield and back. 00:04:54.26\00:04:57.89 In the first four months of our marriage, 00:04:57.93\00:05:00.16 both of us ended up in the hospital 00:05:00.20\00:05:02.53 and he was diagnosed 00:05:02.56\00:05:04.40 with a major life threatening illness 00:05:04.43\00:05:08.24 and I think that 00:05:08.27\00:05:10.74 probably brought us closer very quickly. 00:05:10.77\00:05:16.91 It's, it was a huge adjustment. 00:05:16.95\00:05:20.35 You know, and you know a lot of people are saying, 00:05:20.38\00:05:24.85 "Oh you know, why are you staying with him, 00:05:24.89\00:05:27.69 you know, there is too much too soon, 00:05:27.72\00:05:31.33 it's too much too soon. 00:05:31.36\00:05:32.93 But like I said, you know, it was like a battlefield 00:05:32.96\00:05:36.50 and going to war together and coming out alive, 00:05:36.53\00:05:41.14 you know, really brought us closer. 00:05:41.17\00:05:43.81 One of the things that I was thinking about 00:05:43.84\00:05:46.31 especially when you were talking, you said, 00:05:46.34\00:05:48.34 "It was getting better." 00:05:48.38\00:05:50.01 You know, can you give me some insight. 00:05:50.05\00:05:52.55 What exactly did you mean it was getting better? 00:05:52.58\00:05:55.45 Well, I think with what Heather is saying 00:05:55.48\00:05:58.42 when, when we first-- 00:05:58.45\00:05:59.99 a lot of the problems that happened 00:06:00.02\00:06:02.99 in the earlier stages of our relationship, 00:06:03.02\00:06:05.63 we didn't anticipate. 00:06:05.66\00:06:07.40 And so, after we got married 00:06:07.43\00:06:11.00 and you know, these things started happening. 00:06:11.03\00:06:14.07 It begin to affect, you know, the relationship 00:06:14.10\00:06:18.21 and probably, probably more than, than we knew. 00:06:18.24\00:06:25.01 You know, but we're just living life 00:06:25.05\00:06:26.72 and trying to make everything work. 00:06:26.75\00:06:29.12 But psychologically, there's things that's happening 00:06:29.15\00:06:32.75 that I'm dealing with, that she's not always aware of 00:06:32.79\00:06:35.72 and vice versa with her, you know. 00:06:35.76\00:06:38.99 And, you know, not even just in our relationship, 00:06:39.03\00:06:42.86 but she deals with a lot of stuff at work too 00:06:42.90\00:06:45.50 that I don't, that she doesn't always talk about. 00:06:45.53\00:06:48.30 I'm out there with things also. 00:06:48.34\00:06:51.17 And I think it all, it all gets mixed in there. 00:06:51.21\00:06:56.75 And then you throw a baby in on top of that. 00:06:56.78\00:06:59.65 And, you know, now we have to be concerned about 00:06:59.68\00:07:02.52 her needs, you know, she gets sick, she's angry. 00:07:02.55\00:07:06.82 And at the same time, see I'm used to having time 00:07:06.86\00:07:12.43 to do what I need to do and a lot of stuff that I do, 00:07:12.46\00:07:14.93 I make a lot of phone calls 00:07:14.96\00:07:16.73 and do a lot of stuff in my free time. 00:07:16.77\00:07:19.70 Well, that free time is no longer there. 00:07:19.73\00:07:22.04 And so, for me emotionally it's kind of hard 00:07:22.07\00:07:25.11 because I feel like, okay, I'm being thrown 00:07:25.14\00:07:27.44 into the position of being sort of like the house mom. 00:07:27.48\00:07:31.85 Whereas before, I'm making phone calls 00:07:31.88\00:07:34.58 and I'm doing stuff, you know. 00:07:34.62\00:07:36.72 But it's been, it's been tough but the thing that I, 00:07:36.75\00:07:40.66 that I would say is that... 00:07:40.69\00:07:42.02 I'm not complaining about that, you know, and I'm not, 00:07:45.53\00:07:48.80 I'm not dishearted to say that, this is too hard, 00:07:48.83\00:07:53.00 I don't want to do this, I want a way out. 00:07:53.03\00:07:55.34 I know that God perfects everything in due season. 00:07:55.37\00:07:59.67 And so, we just you know, some things you have to tough, 00:07:59.71\00:08:03.78 you know make it rough and tough through it 00:08:03.81\00:08:06.31 and just keep going. 00:08:06.35\00:08:07.88 But it sounds like it's like weighing on you. 00:08:07.92\00:08:12.22 You know, just in the conversation 00:08:12.25\00:08:14.66 the way you express yourself. 00:08:14.69\00:08:16.02 Well, that's life. 00:08:16.06\00:08:17.39 You know, so let me ask you. 00:08:17.43\00:08:19.26 He's talking about stress and eustress. 00:08:19.29\00:08:21.40 You know, eustress is a positive stressful thing, 00:08:21.43\00:08:24.80 like we bought a house. 00:08:24.83\00:08:26.17 We had a baby. 00:08:26.20\00:08:27.54 Those are positive things, 00:08:27.57\00:08:28.90 you know, new additions to our life. 00:08:28.94\00:08:30.51 But it comes with stress on its own 00:08:30.54\00:08:32.61 and there's an adjustment period. 00:08:32.64\00:08:34.24 So, what are some of those challenges 00:08:34.28\00:08:36.64 did that you're facing today. 00:08:36.68\00:08:38.61 We're talking about things getting better. 00:08:38.65\00:08:40.58 So, what's going on today, 00:08:40.62\00:08:43.39 you know, besides just a baby for both. 00:08:43.42\00:08:46.55 Well, I've been dealing with a lot of stuff concerning, 00:08:46.59\00:08:50.59 what's really been weighing on me 00:08:50.63\00:08:52.39 is a lot of stuff dealing with my music. 00:08:52.43\00:08:57.20 And, and just today 00:08:57.23\00:09:01.17 I just got affiliated with, 00:09:01.20\00:09:04.27 with HFA which is Harry Fox Agency. 00:09:04.31\00:09:08.21 You can't get paid for writers 00:09:08.24\00:09:12.08 unless you have a publishing company. 00:09:12.11\00:09:14.65 And out of all the years that I've been writing, 00:09:14.68\00:09:17.62 I never signed a publishing deal. 00:09:17.65\00:09:20.82 So, from 2004 until now, all of that publishing 00:09:20.86\00:09:25.99 that I've wrote before it all those years 00:09:26.03\00:09:29.46 has to sit in collections, 00:09:29.50\00:09:32.20 so I've been talking to record companies in China 00:09:32.23\00:09:35.67 and, but the record companies don't really have any answers 00:09:35.70\00:09:38.97 because record companies only, they pay publishers. 00:09:39.01\00:09:42.61 But you still have to have a publishing place, 00:09:42.64\00:09:44.21 so I went out and started my own publishing company. 00:09:44.25\00:09:46.98 So that I could get connected to Harry Fox 00:09:47.02\00:09:49.38 and now, all of that publishing can come back to me. 00:09:49.42\00:09:52.82 So, how as and Heather, you've been a therapist. 00:09:52.85\00:09:56.42 How do you step outside of that domain 00:09:56.46\00:09:59.36 and be able to support each other. 00:09:59.39\00:10:01.36 How do you will communicate about the stresses, 00:10:01.40\00:10:03.97 about the overall in and out of the relationship? 00:10:04.00\00:10:07.44 How do you communicate? 00:10:07.47\00:10:08.80 How do you do that? 00:10:08.84\00:10:10.31 Several times a day, I pray. Yes. 00:10:10.34\00:10:14.61 About how to address certain things. 00:10:14.64\00:10:17.78 Darryl's brother died last year. 00:10:17.81\00:10:20.92 His oldest daughter had a baby. 00:10:20.95\00:10:23.72 And I know that, he's going through a lot. 00:10:23.75\00:10:26.22 And he is, he's my nanny, he stays at home with the baby. 00:10:26.25\00:10:30.83 So, I can keep working. 00:10:30.86\00:10:32.46 You know, and I know that he has a lot of responsibility. 00:10:32.49\00:10:35.33 So, I really focus on trying to be sensitive to his needs 00:10:35.36\00:10:40.60 and understanding where he is on a day to day basis 00:10:40.64\00:10:43.10 so I can kind of pick up on his tone. 00:10:43.14\00:10:45.51 You know, eye contact, if he goes into his man cave. 00:10:45.54\00:10:49.44 And he's got a music room downstairs, 00:10:49.48\00:10:51.85 so if he is in the music room 00:10:51.88\00:10:53.95 and the amp is on ten or whatever 00:10:53.98\00:10:57.79 and he's, he's rocking out to his guitar 00:10:57.82\00:11:00.06 then I know this, I'm going to give him his time. 00:11:00.09\00:11:03.66 It's important to recognize the signs. 00:11:03.69\00:11:07.66 You know, he's got subtle signs he might not even know, 00:11:07.70\00:11:11.57 you know. 00:11:11.60\00:11:12.93 Now, it's a good time to talk about certain things 00:11:12.97\00:11:14.70 and now, is you know, let's put it on home time. 00:11:14.74\00:11:17.74 Picking your battles, knowing when to pick those battles. 00:11:17.77\00:11:20.11 Yes. 00:11:20.14\00:11:21.48 You know, how does God plays a role in your relationship, 00:11:21.51\00:11:24.31 you know, this overall impact 00:11:24.35\00:11:26.51 of spirituality in your lives together? 00:11:26.55\00:11:29.78 I would say work 00:11:29.82\00:11:32.35 and I'll just mention this to my wife 00:11:32.39\00:11:35.62 yesterday I believe that I realize 00:11:35.66\00:11:40.00 the value of staying connected to God in prayer 00:11:40.03\00:11:44.17 and just be insensitive and aware of his presence. 00:11:44.20\00:11:50.07 And when I do that personally 00:11:50.11\00:11:53.84 it, it, 00:11:53.88\00:11:57.25 he, he controls 00:11:57.28\00:12:01.75 my outlook on things. 00:12:01.78\00:12:04.25 And is, is it's kind of hard to explain 00:12:04.29\00:12:07.16 but I'm more patient and I'm more sensitive, 00:12:07.19\00:12:10.66 when I'm close to him. 00:12:10.69\00:12:12.26 Oh, yes. 00:12:12.29\00:12:13.63 And, it affects the way I treat her, 00:12:13.66\00:12:15.66 and I actually took notice of that. 00:12:15.70\00:12:17.53 You know, and God is, 00:12:17.57\00:12:22.67 He is the center of everything 00:12:22.70\00:12:24.34 and especially, you know, in our relationship, 00:12:24.37\00:12:27.31 I think you know he is, we got to have him. 00:12:27.34\00:12:30.78 So, when you say, when you're close to God. 00:12:30.81\00:12:36.82 Are you also saying then, then there's a period 00:12:36.85\00:12:39.69 where you are challenged to the point where you know? 00:12:39.72\00:12:43.19 I think, I think... 00:12:43.22\00:12:44.56 I think there are times when it's not 00:12:48.23\00:12:51.23 that God is not always first in my life, 00:12:51.27\00:12:54.10 but I think that there's a time 00:12:54.14\00:12:55.90 whether it's through busyness or through whatever 00:12:55.94\00:12:59.81 that, that sometimes 00:12:59.84\00:13:01.54 He's not in the forefront of our minds, 00:13:01.58\00:13:03.35 and we're just going about 00:13:03.38\00:13:04.71 our daily lives and doing stuff. 00:13:04.75\00:13:06.95 And it's almost like we lose a sense 00:13:06.98\00:13:09.88 that He is there, even though He said, 00:13:09.92\00:13:11.29 "He would never leave us nor forsake us." 00:13:11.32\00:13:13.66 But we become distracted by the things of the world, 00:13:13.69\00:13:16.62 and things that are going on in our lives. 00:13:16.66\00:13:19.63 And you know, I'll say my life, I make it personal and-- 00:13:19.66\00:13:24.83 But God always, 00:13:24.87\00:13:28.10 He's always that still small voice, 00:13:28.14\00:13:31.31 you know, and usually for me, 00:13:31.34\00:13:33.31 it happens when I turn everything off, 00:13:33.34\00:13:36.24 and when my wife and children are asleep. 00:13:36.28\00:13:38.65 And sometimes I'm just up, 00:13:38.68\00:13:40.18 sometimes I'm playing my guitar. 00:13:40.22\00:13:42.38 And I'll just sense his presence. 00:13:42.42\00:13:44.65 And it literally breaks me down, 00:13:44.69\00:13:46.09 I'll sometimes I'll just tear up 00:13:46.12\00:13:48.02 for no reason at all, 00:13:48.06\00:13:49.39 because I know that He's that close to me. 00:13:49.42\00:13:51.29 Heather, you said that there were, 00:13:51.33\00:13:54.56 there were times when you can read your husband 00:13:54.60\00:13:58.27 and determine what's going on with him, 00:13:58.30\00:14:00.87 you know, and how to approach him. 00:14:00.90\00:14:03.97 How do you maintain that communication with him 00:14:04.01\00:14:09.18 especially when you recognize that there is some difficulties 00:14:09.21\00:14:13.18 that may be existed, you now, 00:14:13.21\00:14:14.92 he may be dealing with some personal stressors 00:14:14.95\00:14:17.25 whatever, wherever it may be happening. 00:14:17.29\00:14:19.89 Sometimes, I'm just quiet. 00:14:19.92\00:14:21.89 And I give him time to really center himself 00:14:21.92\00:14:26.29 to figure out where he is, 00:14:26.33\00:14:28.70 because I've found that if I come at him 00:14:28.73\00:14:30.97 at certain times, 00:14:31.00\00:14:32.33 if he's not ready, it's a disaster. 00:14:32.37\00:14:34.60 You know, and where we're yelling 00:14:34.64\00:14:36.10 and, you know, going in separate directions. 00:14:36.14\00:14:40.81 I know eye contact even tone. 00:14:40.84\00:14:43.48 You know, making sure that we, 00:14:43.51\00:14:46.95 I guess keep our cool especially around the children. 00:14:46.98\00:14:50.05 How long did it take you to recognize, that 00:14:50.09\00:14:52.52 I mean you've been married now for three years, right? 00:14:52.55\00:14:55.49 We're still working on it. 00:14:55.52\00:14:56.86 Okay, it's important you know because it's not, 00:14:56.89\00:15:00.00 it's not something that just happens. 00:15:00.03\00:15:03.00 No, no, and we've actually called in third party help. 00:15:03.03\00:15:08.60 I'm a therapist 00:15:08.64\00:15:09.97 and I'm not afraid of counselors, you know, 00:15:10.01\00:15:11.91 I'm not afraid of asking for help when we need it. 00:15:11.94\00:15:14.91 And especially after we had the baby, 00:15:14.94\00:15:17.81 we're tired and we never planned to have a baby. 00:15:17.85\00:15:20.92 You know, 00:15:20.95\00:15:22.28 that wasn't in our plan in the big scope of things. 00:15:22.32\00:15:25.95 So, we never talked about infancy 00:15:25.99\00:15:29.69 and you know raising in discipline 00:15:29.72\00:15:32.06 and because Ryan was older. 00:15:32.09\00:15:34.40 You know, and it was, it was easier with him, 00:15:34.43\00:15:36.73 because he was already established. 00:15:36.77\00:15:38.60 But it's really interesting to find out, 00:15:38.63\00:15:40.90 you know how different we are. 00:15:40.94\00:15:43.17 And even how, he was raised and how I was raised. 00:15:43.20\00:15:45.51 Like I like, I put posters on the wall. 00:15:45.54\00:15:47.61 Like I go to the Teacher store and I put posters on the way, 00:15:47.64\00:15:50.58 I have all these little words, 00:15:50.61\00:15:51.95 these sight words that I put up. 00:15:51.98\00:15:53.88 He is still like, "What are you doing? 00:15:53.92\00:15:58.85 You know, so there was an adjustment there 00:15:58.89\00:16:00.96 but if we keep our finger on the pulse 00:16:00.99\00:16:05.03 of each other's hearts, you know, it works out better. 00:16:05.06\00:16:09.63 I like that keeping yourself connected to the pulse 00:16:09.66\00:16:12.40 of the heart. 00:16:12.43\00:16:14.04 Heather, let me ask you a question, 00:16:14.07\00:16:15.40 your me time, you, you know, where is your time? 00:16:15.44\00:16:17.97 At work. At work? 00:16:18.01\00:16:19.71 Yes. That's where you escape. 00:16:19.74\00:16:21.08 Yes, I've been blessed with a job 00:16:21.11\00:16:24.45 that I really enjoy. 00:16:24.48\00:16:26.15 And I do have downtime at work. 00:16:26.18\00:16:30.75 And I have my Sabbath school lesson. 00:16:30.79\00:16:32.85 In my desk at work, I keep my Bible there. 00:16:32.89\00:16:35.66 When I'm at home I do worship with the children. 00:16:35.69\00:16:39.73 So, I'm reading, 00:16:39.76\00:16:41.10 you know, Jr. Early Teen devotional, 00:16:41.13\00:16:42.66 I'm reading the Toddler devotional, 00:16:42.70\00:16:45.13 we're singing baby songs 00:16:45.17\00:16:46.50 or whatever but when I actually get 00:16:46.53\00:16:48.97 to connect with God in my own time 00:16:49.00\00:16:51.47 is when I'm in the office, I close my door. 00:16:51.51\00:16:54.68 You know, and that's when I have my me time. 00:16:54.71\00:16:56.04 Because, when I come home, 00:16:56.08\00:16:57.41 he is so tired having to work with a baby all day, 00:16:57.45\00:16:59.21 his hands are off. 00:16:59.25\00:17:00.58 I fix dinner and then go to bed. 00:17:00.62\00:17:02.62 So my question is 00:17:02.65\00:17:03.99 with the me time for the couple, the relationship. 00:17:04.02\00:17:07.09 Where do you all get rejuvenate your life, 00:17:07.12\00:17:09.92 your marriage, your love, your sexuality, 00:17:09.96\00:17:12.56 where does it come in? 00:17:12.59\00:17:13.93 Come on top. 00:17:13.96\00:17:15.56 We used to have date night, 00:17:15.60\00:17:16.93 but that's not really on the agenda anymore. 00:17:16.97\00:17:21.37 It's there somewhere. 00:17:21.40\00:17:22.74 But we laugh and joke a lot. 00:17:22.77\00:17:25.57 Lean in bed, being silly. 00:17:25.61\00:17:28.18 All right. All right. 00:17:28.21\00:17:29.54 And then you both are musicians, 00:17:29.58\00:17:31.01 you know, so that, is there a time 00:17:31.05\00:17:33.52 where you both can possibly get on the same page. 00:17:33.55\00:17:38.39 It's almost like a challenge we're going to know, 00:17:38.42\00:17:40.59 so you have those musician differences. 00:17:40.62\00:17:43.32 He gives me a hard time 00:17:43.36\00:17:45.46 because musically he doesn't like 00:17:45.49\00:17:47.73 to practice with me. 00:17:47.76\00:17:49.10 I thought you were playing my guitar today. 00:17:49.13\00:17:50.47 I did play your guitar today. 00:17:50.50\00:17:51.83 Yes. Okay. But, he doesn't. 00:17:54.87\00:17:57.81 He doesn't like to rehearse that much with me. 00:17:57.84\00:18:02.38 Well, that bring to me another question today. 00:18:02.41\00:18:05.08 Let's look at drive. 00:18:05.11\00:18:06.51 As far as you're driving your husband's drive, 00:18:06.55\00:18:09.42 you know, are you saying that your drive is more motivating, 00:18:09.45\00:18:14.49 more intense than your husband's? 00:18:14.52\00:18:17.76 It depends on what you're talking about. 00:18:17.79\00:18:19.53 Because he is very passionate. 00:18:19.56\00:18:20.96 Okay. Just differences. 00:18:21.00\00:18:23.40 And he's a, he's a musician. 00:18:23.43\00:18:24.77 so he's very sensitive, he feels things deeply 00:18:24.80\00:18:27.87 and he's very opinionated, you know. 00:18:27.90\00:18:30.81 And I think for her music 00:18:30.84\00:18:33.04 is something that she loves to do. 00:18:33.07\00:18:34.78 For me, it's my bread and butter. 00:18:34.81\00:18:37.11 So, when I do it, it's a whole different dynamic. 00:18:37.15\00:18:40.88 You know, in terms of intensity and... 00:18:40.92\00:18:45.42 But I'm thankful, I'm glad that she is. 00:18:45.45\00:18:47.26 So, are you more critical because of that, 00:18:47.29\00:18:50.33 because you're looking in. 00:18:50.36\00:18:51.69 I'm not critical because I understand that 00:18:51.73\00:18:53.50 different people are on different levels 00:18:53.53\00:18:55.86 and I accept that. 00:18:55.90\00:18:57.23 You know, I don't, I don't challenge her 00:18:57.27\00:18:59.10 to be as intense as I am, 00:18:59.13\00:19:01.64 because she don't have too, 00:19:01.67\00:19:03.00 she's a psychologist. 00:19:03.04\00:19:04.37 You know, I'm a professional musician. 00:19:04.41\00:19:07.98 That's what I do so. 00:19:08.01\00:19:09.68 But one thing I will say about our relationship. 00:19:09.71\00:19:15.52 I don't always see how things are working between us. 00:19:15.55\00:19:21.09 But when I look at the results of our lives, 00:19:21.12\00:19:25.49 and what we're actually doing together. 00:19:25.53\00:19:27.86 I can see it from, when I stand back and look. 00:19:27.90\00:19:31.10 You know, when we got, when we were dating, 00:19:31.13\00:19:33.67 I was legally blind. 00:19:33.70\00:19:36.14 And I wasn't driving, 00:19:36.17\00:19:37.51 I haven't driven for more almost six years, 00:19:37.54\00:19:39.64 while we were dating. 00:19:39.67\00:19:41.01 I think, I remember you talking to me 00:19:41.04\00:19:42.38 about that once. 00:19:42.41\00:19:43.75 And now, you know, I had a surgery 00:19:43.78\00:19:45.11 so I can see now. 00:19:45.15\00:19:46.48 I'm driving, I got my license 00:19:46.51\00:19:47.88 and you know, we, 00:19:47.92\00:19:49.95 we own our own house, you know. 00:19:49.98\00:19:52.05 We have a brand new child, 00:19:52.09\00:19:53.42 so I can see how God is adding on to us, 00:19:53.46\00:19:56.52 even in the midst of the tribulations 00:19:56.56\00:19:59.36 and the trials and the struggle. 00:19:59.39\00:20:01.13 There are still good things that are happening within that. 00:20:01.16\00:20:04.23 And you don't always, 00:20:04.27\00:20:06.77 you do always appreciate it but I love my wife dearly. 00:20:06.80\00:20:11.21 And I appreciate everything that she is. 00:20:11.24\00:20:14.08 And, I'm not supposed to look at you all. 00:20:14.11\00:20:18.41 But, I really do she, she, she is everything to me. 00:20:18.45\00:20:22.25 You're a blended family though, right? 00:20:22.28\00:20:25.39 You know, so, what are some of the challenges with that? 00:20:25.42\00:20:28.82 I think the challenge is including everybody. 00:20:28.86\00:20:32.26 Sometimes it's, sometimes we don't think 00:20:32.29\00:20:34.70 about my daughter is that her living with, 00:20:34.73\00:20:38.80 you know, living out in Canton, 00:20:38.83\00:20:40.20 living with their parents. 00:20:40.24\00:20:42.30 And sometimes, it may not be as much as guilt on her 00:20:42.34\00:20:45.41 as it is for me. 00:20:45.44\00:20:46.94 But I think about them when sometimes when, 00:20:46.98\00:20:49.94 when you know, me and Maven and Ryan go out to eat. 00:20:49.98\00:20:55.28 And we're enjoying each other, I think about you know, 00:20:55.32\00:20:58.12 where are my other children, 00:20:58.15\00:20:59.49 I feel like I'm investing a lot of time into them 00:20:59.52\00:21:02.06 and not in my other children 00:21:02.09\00:21:03.66 and we've actually talked about that. 00:21:03.69\00:21:06.36 And I let them know, look, we think, 00:21:06.39\00:21:08.46 everything that I do include all of my children 00:21:08.50\00:21:11.20 even if you don't see it right away, 00:21:11.23\00:21:13.44 you're going to benefit from it. 00:21:13.47\00:21:15.34 And it includes all of you. 00:21:15.37\00:21:16.71 Listen, we want to thank you both for being a part 00:21:16.74\00:21:19.77 of making it work once again and connected by love. 00:21:19.81\00:21:24.01 Truly this has been a journey and the journey will continue. 00:21:24.05\00:21:27.88 And the legacy now through your children, 00:21:27.92\00:21:30.55 through your grandchild, through your music, 00:21:30.59\00:21:32.39 through you work. 00:21:32.42\00:21:33.99 God has truly blessed you both and I just want to say, 00:21:34.02\00:21:37.29 how proud I am of you. 00:21:37.33\00:21:38.93 I have known you both for very long time. 00:21:38.96\00:21:40.93 Arthur and I, and we will continue to allow 00:21:40.96\00:21:44.33 this relationship to grow. 00:21:44.37\00:21:45.93 We want to thank you for being a part 00:21:45.97\00:21:47.54 of making it work. 00:21:47.57\00:21:48.90 Thank you for having us. God bless. 00:21:48.94\00:21:50.81 God bless. 00:21:50.84\00:21:52.17 Arthur, that was a wonderful interview. 00:21:53.14\00:21:56.51 Heather and Darryl have gone through 00:21:56.54\00:21:58.05 a lot of experience in life. 00:21:58.08\00:21:59.85 Let's talk about some of the issues 00:21:59.88\00:22:02.18 of the interview. 00:22:02.22\00:22:03.55 They are a blended family being able to adjust, 00:22:03.59\00:22:07.26 they recently had a new baby girl. 00:22:07.29\00:22:09.12 Yeah. 00:22:09.16\00:22:10.49 And also Darryl's relationship with his son. 00:22:10.53\00:22:13.90 So, let's talk about some of the things 00:22:13.93\00:22:15.36 that you and I observed doing this interview. 00:22:15.40\00:22:18.53 Well, you know I guess 00:22:18.57\00:22:20.64 well, it was really impressive to me 00:22:20.67\00:22:22.40 was the fact that Darryl seems 00:22:22.44\00:22:24.94 really committed to the relationship. 00:22:24.97\00:22:27.88 Okay. 00:22:27.91\00:22:30.21 Once again, being in a blended family environment, 00:22:30.25\00:22:33.78 it takes a lot of work 00:22:33.82\00:22:35.25 and it's really important that you accept the fact 00:22:35.28\00:22:39.02 that this child is not a stepchild, 00:22:39.05\00:22:42.72 it's your child. 00:22:42.76\00:22:44.09 I have a saying how many steps do I have 00:22:44.13\00:22:46.36 to take for their child to be mine. 00:22:46.39\00:22:48.53 So, we need to get rid of the labels, 00:22:48.56\00:22:50.63 stepchild, stepmother, stepfather, 00:22:50.67\00:22:53.10 we are a blended family. 00:22:53.13\00:22:54.47 We're family. And Darryl accepted that. 00:22:54.50\00:22:58.91 But, you know, another thing that was 00:22:58.94\00:23:00.78 really impressive to me is Heather 00:23:00.81\00:23:03.55 and how she assisted Darryl in dealing with 00:23:03.58\00:23:06.85 his debilitating disease that he had. 00:23:06.88\00:23:09.75 I mean he was going through a really dramatic situation 00:23:09.78\00:23:14.09 and she helped him through that. 00:23:14.12\00:23:15.62 And that was right after they were married. 00:23:15.66\00:23:17.63 Absolutely you know. 00:23:17.66\00:23:19.09 Can you imagine being a new bride, 00:23:19.13\00:23:21.10 and you're expecting things to go one way 00:23:21.13\00:23:23.20 and things go another way. 00:23:23.23\00:23:24.77 And you have to allow the Holy Spirit to help you 00:23:24.80\00:23:27.80 to be able to step in 00:23:27.84\00:23:29.70 and be that perfect person, or that good person. 00:23:29.74\00:23:32.54 Because no one is perfect but God. 00:23:32.57\00:23:34.48 You know, but even in that, 00:23:34.51\00:23:37.18 you can see that it was a trying situation, 00:23:37.21\00:23:40.98 and it really caused 00:23:41.02\00:23:42.68 both of them to really dig down deep. 00:23:42.72\00:23:45.92 And to really try to be supportive 00:23:45.95\00:23:48.59 of the whole situation that had occurred, 00:23:48.62\00:23:51.43 it came out of nowhere, boom, you know. 00:23:51.46\00:23:53.43 So, being in support of, of course always first of all, 00:23:53.46\00:23:56.73 we have to seek God's will. 00:23:56.77\00:23:58.50 "Seek ye first the Kingdom of God. 00:23:58.53\00:24:00.04 And all things will be added onto thee." 00:24:00.07\00:24:01.94 Then of course, 00:24:01.97\00:24:03.30 praying without ceasing as a relationship. 00:24:03.34\00:24:05.37 But the support that needs to be shown, 00:24:05.41\00:24:07.78 and not separating the fact that 00:24:07.81\00:24:09.58 we are both parents in this relationship. 00:24:09.61\00:24:11.78 Where Darryl cannot discipline his son, 00:24:11.81\00:24:14.68 and no, Heather saying, "I will take care of that." 00:24:14.72\00:24:17.82 But he says, "I am a part of this family. 00:24:17.85\00:24:20.09 So, we work together." 00:24:20.12\00:24:21.66 Because there was a concern at one point. 00:24:21.69\00:24:24.09 But now, they have a new addition to the family. 00:24:24.13\00:24:28.90 So that even, that connection even grows even more. 00:24:28.93\00:24:32.47 And they're excited, you know. 00:24:32.50\00:24:34.04 But I think what's really important 00:24:34.07\00:24:36.87 is another thing is that they both have recognized 00:24:36.91\00:24:40.81 they have a talent. 00:24:40.84\00:24:43.01 They are creative, and they work together. 00:24:43.04\00:24:45.95 And they really both of them are excited, 00:24:45.98\00:24:49.18 and they write, they sing, they play. 00:24:49.22\00:24:52.79 Yes. So, that's another connection. 00:24:52.82\00:24:54.62 And there's no competition. 00:24:54.66\00:24:55.99 You know in some marriages, 00:24:56.02\00:24:57.36 it's like, I'm in competition with you, 00:24:57.39\00:24:58.96 but why are we in competition shouldn't we be a team, 00:24:58.99\00:25:02.66 you know, and that's a concept, that's a solution. 00:25:02.70\00:25:04.93 We must think like a team, act like a team, 00:25:04.97\00:25:07.04 work like a team. 00:25:07.07\00:25:08.60 And be a team for God. 00:25:08.64\00:25:10.34 And it's working on being equally yoked, 00:25:10.37\00:25:14.04 even though you may not be equally yoked 00:25:14.08\00:25:15.94 when you come into a relationship, 00:25:15.98\00:25:17.78 you know, there's a lot of things 00:25:17.81\00:25:19.48 that can enhance your relationship. 00:25:19.51\00:25:23.45 You know, work on being equally yoked, 00:25:23.49\00:25:26.55 finding things that's going to make you stay together. 00:25:26.59\00:25:29.82 Now, you know another thing I want to add is that when. 00:25:29.86\00:25:32.99 I have a weakness, you help me, you hold me up. 00:25:33.03\00:25:36.26 And when you're weak, I hold you up. 00:25:36.30\00:25:38.83 And so, we compliment one another you know, 00:25:38.87\00:25:41.60 I think complimenting 00:25:41.64\00:25:42.97 one another is a definite solution to say that 00:25:43.00\00:25:46.14 I don't have to wait for someone else 00:25:46.17\00:25:47.51 to pat me on the back. 00:25:47.54\00:25:48.88 I'm going to encourage you, I'm going to strengthen you, 00:25:48.91\00:25:51.45 I'm going to help you, I'm going to pray for you. 00:25:51.48\00:25:53.62 I'm going to be there for you and be by your side. 00:25:53.65\00:25:56.99 So, as we look at the relationship 00:25:57.02\00:25:59.29 between Darryl and Heather, 00:25:59.32\00:26:00.96 we have the commitment. 00:26:00.99\00:26:02.32 Yes. 00:26:02.36\00:26:03.69 We have prayer, we have seeking God 00:26:03.73\00:26:05.99 on a consistent basis. 00:26:06.03\00:26:07.76 So, you can't just pray to God every now and then. 00:26:07.80\00:26:10.83 It means communicating with God 00:26:10.87\00:26:12.43 on a daily basis two to three times, 00:26:12.47\00:26:14.87 four times a day. 00:26:14.90\00:26:16.24 Absolutely and that's really something 00:26:16.27\00:26:17.61 that you have to understand. 00:26:17.64\00:26:19.41 And like you said, the commitment has to be there, 00:26:19.44\00:26:22.51 and that's waking up in the morning 00:26:22.54\00:26:23.95 and praying together, 00:26:23.98\00:26:25.31 praying together, throughout the day, 00:26:25.35\00:26:26.88 praying together in evening. 00:26:26.92\00:26:29.35 That helps you because, 00:26:29.38\00:26:31.12 even though you may have some disagreements, 00:26:31.15\00:26:33.22 there's a way out. 00:26:33.25\00:26:34.79 You can recognize that through the disagreements 00:26:34.82\00:26:38.49 that we may have 00:26:38.53\00:26:39.86 but if we pray, and we support each other, 00:26:39.89\00:26:42.53 we can overcome these things. 00:26:42.56\00:26:44.40 You know, I think what's important also 00:26:44.43\00:26:45.80 is to be kind, be nice, be sensitive. 00:26:45.83\00:26:49.34 You know, support one another through 00:26:49.37\00:26:51.07 the way you greet each other. 00:26:51.11\00:26:53.31 In the morning, just greeting each other 00:26:53.34\00:26:55.68 helps you to have a better day. 00:26:55.71\00:26:57.81 And you want to come home that evening 00:26:57.85\00:27:00.42 to greet that person. 00:27:00.45\00:27:01.85 Well, I am excited what God is doing 00:27:01.88\00:27:03.82 for Darryl and Heather and their beautiful children. 00:27:03.85\00:27:06.79 And what is coming next for them. 00:27:06.82\00:27:09.52 Great ministries are ahead. 00:27:09.56\00:27:11.26 I'm excited to come, 00:27:11.29\00:27:12.63 because I think God has done a great thing for you. 00:27:12.66\00:27:15.46 But he has made me your life soul. 00:27:15.50\00:27:19.57 I'm excited that 00:27:19.60\00:27:20.94 Arthur is in my life and I'm in his life. 00:27:20.97\00:27:23.20 Well, I'm Dr Kim Logan-Nowlin. I'm Arthur Nowlin. 00:27:23.24\00:27:25.87 And thank you for joining us on making it work. God bless. 00:27:25.91\00:27:29.68