Hi, I'm Dr. Kim
Logan-Nowlin. I'm Arthur Nowlin.
00:00:01.06\00:00:03.33
And welcome to "Making It Work."
00:00:03.36\00:00:05.77
Arthur, throughout our
lives we take many journeys.
00:00:36.86\00:00:41.27
Your journey become
Seventh-day Adventist,
00:00:41.30\00:00:44.52
serve in the military.
00:00:44.55\00:00:46.36
My journey being able to take
on different roles in my life,
00:00:46.39\00:00:52.07
starting a business from nothing
00:00:52.10\00:00:53.91
and allowing God to move that
to a new direction every day.
00:00:53.94\00:00:58.12
And some of you
viewing right now,
00:00:58.15\00:01:00.18
you're on a
journey but you don't know
00:01:00.21\00:01:01.74
where that
journey is taking you.
00:01:01.77\00:01:03.60
Or some of you
are going to the left,
00:01:03.63\00:01:05.95
to the right because
you're totally not sure
00:01:05.98\00:01:08.78
if it's from God.
00:01:08.81\00:01:10.58
Well, the Bible says that God
is not the father of confusion.
00:01:10.61\00:01:14.35
Today we have a very
special guest with us,
00:01:14.38\00:01:17.06
Pastor Ariel Roldan.
00:01:17.09\00:01:19.83
He is the pastor of the Oakwood
Seventh-day Adventist Church
00:01:19.86\00:01:23.41
in Taylor, Michigan.
00:01:23.44\00:01:24.82
Welcome, pastor.
00:01:24.85\00:01:25.95
Thank you. Thank
you so much. Welcome.
00:01:25.98\00:01:27.67
Oh, God bless you.
00:01:27.70\00:01:29.91
We want to talk about
today our topic, The Journey.
00:01:29.94\00:01:33.58
You've had a tremendous journey
00:01:33.61\00:01:35.38
and I'm excited
about hearing it.
00:01:35.41\00:01:37.45
So I'm going to turn it over--
'cause I want you to tell,
00:01:37.48\00:01:40.12
share with our
viewers your journey.
00:01:40.15\00:01:42.58
Sure.
00:01:42.61\00:01:44.70
My journey begins many years ago
00:01:44.73\00:01:47.41
in another
continent, in South America,
00:01:47.44\00:01:49.75
in the country of Argentina
00:01:49.78\00:01:51.85
where I was born to
Alfredo and Maria Roldan.
00:01:51.88\00:01:57.63
My dad, when I was
born he was a coal porter
00:01:57.66\00:01:59.97
or a literature evangelist
00:02:00.00\00:02:01.03
which is someone that basically,
00:02:01.06\00:02:03.24
it's like a
missionary but with literature.
00:02:03.27\00:02:05.36
In fact, they brings the
Gospel to people through books.
00:02:05.39\00:02:07.92
But before that he had been
a police officer in Argentina.
00:02:07.95\00:02:11.26
So someone shared the
Gospel with him more fully
00:02:11.29\00:02:14.35
and he accepted.
00:02:14.38\00:02:15.41
My mom was Catholic,
00:02:15.44\00:02:17.07
and they both took
Bible studies together,
00:02:17.10\00:02:19.14
and they decided to be baptized
00:02:19.17\00:02:21.65
and join the
Seventh-day Adventist Church.
00:02:21.68\00:02:24.04
So I was born into
that kind of a home.
00:02:24.07\00:02:26.44
My dad loved the work of
doing literature evangelism
00:02:26.47\00:02:31.95
and we traveled quite a bit.
00:02:31.98\00:02:33.53
So you're
talking about a journey
00:02:33.56\00:02:34.77
one from Argentina to Bolivia
00:02:34.80\00:02:37.09
and the Lord used that
ability that my dad had,
00:02:37.12\00:02:40.34
He really did
bless my dad with that,
00:02:40.37\00:02:42.62
to come into United States.
00:02:42.65\00:02:43.76
We came to
Harrisburg Pennsylvania in 1984.
00:02:43.79\00:02:47.07
I was 11 years
old when we arrived.
00:02:47.10\00:02:49.15
It was a quite
a memorable event.
00:02:51.55\00:02:54.88
My dad came first, 6 months
and worked to raise some money
00:02:54.91\00:02:58.00
and then was able to
pay for tickets for my mom,
00:02:58.03\00:03:00.72
myself and my younger
brother, too, to join him.
00:03:00.75\00:03:03.26
And when we
arrived, it was interesting,
00:03:03.29\00:03:06.63
the United States is not at
all what you see on television.
00:03:06.66\00:03:09.93
Back in those days "Magnum,
PI" was hot in South America.
00:03:09.96\00:03:12.79
Right, right.
00:03:12.82\00:03:13.85
No one was driving Lamborghinis,
00:03:13.88\00:03:14.91
there was no beach in
Harrisburg Pennsylvania.
00:03:14.94\00:03:18.26
And where we lived,
00:03:18.29\00:03:19.40
the neighborhood we moved
into saw a lot of hooties,
00:03:19.43\00:03:22.87
no Lamborghinis.
00:03:22.90\00:03:24.48
Some hooties.
00:03:24.51\00:03:26.00
We were like, where's,
where are the mansions,
00:03:26.03\00:03:27.59
where are the, the rich
people 'cause in South America,
00:03:27.62\00:03:30.50
the idea is every American lives
00:03:30.53\00:03:33.78
as the television
portrays them to be.
00:03:33.81\00:03:36.74
So we began to see
that the United States,
00:03:37.84\00:03:40.05
so it is a land of opportunity
also is a land of challenges.
00:03:40.08\00:03:44.48
And one of the first
ones was the language,
00:03:44.51\00:03:47.38
trying to pick up English.
00:03:47.41\00:03:50.20
And at that time we did not have
00:03:50.23\00:03:52.85
what we have today with
many Hispanic popular artists
00:03:52.88\00:03:57.45
whether in the movies or
in the music industry. Right.
00:03:57.48\00:03:59.62
Back in those days being a
Hispanic was not necessarily
00:03:59.65\00:04:02.51
something that inspired pride
and your ethnic background.
00:04:02.54\00:04:08.37
And so most Hispanics
would try to learn English
00:04:08.40\00:04:10.80
as fast as possible
and hide their accent.
00:04:10.83\00:04:13.83
Many-- My friends
at school would deny
00:04:13.86\00:04:17.03
being able to speak Spanish
00:04:17.06\00:04:18.40
so they wouldn't
have to translate for me.
00:04:18.43\00:04:20.51
But I would hear
them speak Spanish.
00:04:20.54\00:04:21.76
It was just an embarrassing
thing to be a Hispanic,
00:04:21.79\00:04:24.14
during that time,
during the early '80s.
00:04:24.17\00:04:26.04
I think the only
popular one was Gloria Estefan
00:04:26.07\00:04:29.41
but she hadn't totally
crossed over at that time.
00:04:29.44\00:04:31.55
Yeah, okay.
00:04:31.58\00:04:32.61
Only conga was
in style back then.
00:04:32.64\00:04:35.26
But that-- that
was some of the things
00:04:36.58\00:04:39.29
that began to set the stage
for this journey that my family
00:04:39.32\00:04:43.60
and myself more
prolonged to go through,
00:04:43.63\00:04:47.23
trying to adjust--
00:04:47.26\00:04:48.31
Excuse me for
interrupting but the journey
00:04:48.34\00:04:52.15
when your father
left South America
00:04:52.18\00:04:54.90
there was a purpose in that.
00:04:54.93\00:04:57.57
Yes. Yeah.
00:04:57.60\00:04:58.64
What was that purpose,
to just come to America
00:04:58.67\00:05:01.30
and find the land
of milk and honey or...
00:05:01.33\00:05:06.01
Well, the United States
was going through a transition.
00:05:06.04\00:05:10.20
New York which
had been the capital
00:05:10.23\00:05:12.76
of many other
South American countries,
00:05:12.79\00:05:14.83
like Arabian
countries with Hispanics.
00:05:14.86\00:05:16.92
Many Hispanics were actually,
00:05:16.95\00:05:18.74
were leaving,
exiting New York City,
00:05:18.77\00:05:20.62
finding lower cost housing,
00:05:20.65\00:05:23.14
better neighborhoods
for their children.
00:05:23.17\00:05:25.57
They were moving into Virginia,
Pennsylvania and so they,
00:05:25.60\00:05:29.23
the Allegheny East Conference
was looking for mini--
00:05:29.26\00:05:34.56
individuals who could minister
00:05:34.59\00:05:35.73
to this growing
Hispanic population.
00:05:35.76\00:05:38.43
And so they brought some pastors
00:05:38.46\00:05:39.83
and these pastors decided,
00:05:39.86\00:05:40.95
well, we need some
people in the ground
00:05:40.98\00:05:43.11
to get in contact with
people in their neighborhoods.
00:05:43.14\00:05:45.98
We need some good
LEs, and so someone called
00:05:46.01\00:05:49.45
from North America to Bolivia.
00:05:49.48\00:05:51.56
And providence, for us
providence worked it out
00:05:51.59\00:05:55.06
that a lady
mentioned my dad's name
00:05:55.09\00:05:58.61
and he got a good
report from the leadership
00:05:58.64\00:06:01.65
and so they brought in here
00:06:01.68\00:06:02.78
to work as a
literature evangelist,
00:06:02.81\00:06:05.36
in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania,
that's why we came.
00:06:05.39\00:06:08.17
Excellent. Excellent.
00:06:08.20\00:06:09.98
So you said the
transition was difficult
00:06:10.01\00:06:12.83
in the beginning, you know.
00:06:12.86\00:06:14.22
How long did it take you
before you really settled in?
00:06:14.25\00:06:18.06
Um, I think for
my brother and I,
00:06:19.06\00:06:21.96
it took about 2-3 years.
00:06:21.99\00:06:24.00
My parents are still...
00:06:24.03\00:06:25.22
Oh, yeah. Still in the process.
00:06:25.25\00:06:28.02
I mean, it's
interesting as I speak to you,
00:06:28.05\00:06:30.22
my dad retired
now, some years ago.
00:06:30.25\00:06:32.74
My mom is in the
process of retiring.
00:06:32.77\00:06:35.03
But when we first came,
he was, I think difficult
00:06:35.06\00:06:38.51
for my parents
to be so helpless.
00:06:38.54\00:06:41.81
And especially my
dad who was a very,
00:06:41.84\00:06:43.58
I mean, he was
almost like an entrepreneur.
00:06:43.61\00:06:46.23
You mentioned about
having your own business.
00:06:46.26\00:06:48.25
To go from that
type of independence,
00:06:48.28\00:06:50.34
to being dependant on your child
00:06:50.37\00:06:51.74
to translate
for you at the bank,
00:06:51.77\00:06:53.27
to open up a bank account,
00:06:53.30\00:06:55.61
to always be looking
for a Hispanic dentist
00:06:55.64\00:06:58.42
or a dentist that has a
Hispanic dental hygienist
00:06:58.45\00:07:00.76
to translate for you.
00:07:00.79\00:07:02.34
It took a while for my
parents to digest this reality
00:07:03.61\00:07:05.99
and my dad was painted or told,
00:07:06.02\00:07:09.54
you know, hey, you be
in a Hispanic environment,
00:07:09.57\00:07:12.01
with Hispanic supermarkets,
with Spanish radio,
00:07:12.04\00:07:14.29
with Spanish television,
you don't need English.
00:07:14.32\00:07:17.70
But that's not the reality.
00:07:17.73\00:07:19.80
And when my parents came
here they quickly realized that
00:07:19.83\00:07:22.35
they would need
to learn English,
00:07:22.38\00:07:23.41
they were very proactive.
00:07:23.44\00:07:24.55
They learn--They enrolled
00:07:24.58\00:07:25.75
in some community
classes for English.
00:07:25.78\00:07:28.29
But they always had this,
00:07:30.24\00:07:31.33
the mindset that we
would stay here temporarily
00:07:31.36\00:07:33.25
and then move back.
00:07:33.28\00:07:34.31
Is that right?
00:07:34.34\00:07:35.72
They missed family,
all our cousins and aunts,
00:07:35.75\00:07:40.09
stayed down in South America.
00:07:40.12\00:07:42.91
So he was, he was
always with his thought
00:07:42.94\00:07:45.70
in the back of our
heads, someday we'll go back.
00:07:45.73\00:07:48.21
Okay.
00:07:48.24\00:07:49.27
So originally we were not
settling with too many routes.
00:07:49.30\00:07:53.44
We thought it's only
gonna be temporary but,
00:07:53.47\00:07:55.94
and once you
learned the language,
00:07:55.97\00:07:57.17
once you begin to get a
job and you begin to get a--
00:07:57.20\00:07:59.76
a rhythm of how
things work here,
00:07:59.79\00:08:01.78
you begin to realize that
00:08:01.81\00:08:02.84
it is a land of
tremendous opportunity,
00:08:02.87\00:08:04.59
a lot more than we would
have had in, in South America.
00:08:04.62\00:08:08.84
Let's talk about how long it
took you to become a citizen.
00:08:08.87\00:08:14.04
Talk about your father
00:08:14.07\00:08:15.57
and what he went
through in his journey,
00:08:15.60\00:08:17.38
and then what happened
to you at the age of 11?
00:08:17.41\00:08:19.68
Okay.
00:08:19.71\00:08:21.40
My brother was 10 and I was 11,
00:08:21.43\00:08:22.97
we landed in Miami, then
we landed in Philadelphia,
00:08:23.00\00:08:25.73
my dad picked us up.
00:08:25.76\00:08:28.91
And at that point
our legal status...
00:08:28.94\00:08:32.73
I guess, you're a foreigner
00:08:32.76\00:08:35.40
most of these processes
are not commonly known.
00:08:35.43\00:08:39.61
You start out with a visa.
00:08:39.64\00:08:41.31
My dad entered
with a religious visa
00:08:41.34\00:08:42.84
an R-1 it's called.
00:08:42.87\00:08:44.74
And after you proved yourself
that you know, you're here to--
00:08:44.77\00:08:47.63
The government's afraid
00:08:47.66\00:08:48.76
that people will come
here and get wealthier.
00:08:48.79\00:08:50.88
That's one of their
fears that they have.
00:08:50.91\00:08:53.01
They'll come, you get
people into this country
00:08:53.04\00:08:54.77
and then they'll become
dependant on the government.
00:08:54.80\00:08:56.38
What they want to see
is, people that will come
00:08:56.41\00:08:57.88
and be productive.
00:08:57.91\00:08:58.97
So after a certain period,
00:08:59.00\00:09:00.06
when they see that
you've been productive,
00:09:00.09\00:09:01.70
then they'll allow you to apply
to become a legal resident.
00:09:01.73\00:09:04.67
Okay.
00:09:04.70\00:09:05.73
And you can stay for that,
00:09:05.76\00:09:07.18
in that status for indefinitely.
00:09:07.21\00:09:09.01
You have to renew
it every 10 years.
00:09:09.04\00:09:11.25
Should you want to
become a US citizen
00:09:12.35\00:09:14.08
after you become a
US resident for 5 years
00:09:14.11\00:09:16.61
in good standing, you can
apply to become a US citizen.
00:09:16.64\00:09:20.18
When we came
here my had a R-1 visa
00:09:20.21\00:09:22.73
and the whole family
fell underneath that umbrella.
00:09:22.76\00:09:25.21
Okay.
00:09:25.24\00:09:26.89
About a year of
being here in 1985,
00:09:26.92\00:09:30.58
my parents got a
phone call from the lawyers
00:09:30.61\00:09:32.87
that work with the Allegheny
East Conference in New York,
00:09:32.90\00:09:35.14
telling us-- telling
my parents what happened?
00:09:35.17\00:09:38.26
My parents were like,
what do you mean what happened?
00:09:38.29\00:09:40.20
What happened? We just
called the immigration.
00:09:40.23\00:09:42.69
The INS, that's what it
was called back in the days,
00:09:42.72\00:09:44.54
Immigration and
Naturalization Services,
00:09:44.57\00:09:46.21
now it's Homeland Security.
00:09:46.24\00:09:47.48
What happened?
00:09:48.80\00:09:51.02
We just called to see what
the update in your case is,
00:09:51.05\00:09:53.80
what is your status
and it's been closed
00:09:53.83\00:09:55.22
and you've been denied.
00:09:55.25\00:09:56.34
Really. Oh.
00:09:56.37\00:09:57.52
And so my parents were shocked.
00:09:57.55\00:09:59.16
Everything was going fine.
00:09:59.19\00:10:00.38
Everything, all the
paperwork was there.
00:10:00.41\00:10:02.15
It was a legit call.
00:10:02.18\00:10:03.48
I mean, it was a
legit institution,
00:10:03.51\00:10:04.61
the Allegheny East,
00:10:04.64\00:10:05.67
the Seventh-day
Adventist Church.
00:10:05.70\00:10:06.80
My dad obviously had the skills
and when they began to enquire,
00:10:06.83\00:10:12.19
the sad irony was that,
00:10:13.19\00:10:15.26
it was the pastor
that was overseeing my dad.
00:10:15.29\00:10:18.63
This was the last
step in this whole process.
00:10:18.66\00:10:21.51
Immigration caught him.
00:10:21.54\00:10:22.99
At that time
immigration was very innocent.
00:10:23.02\00:10:25.37
It was-- Pretty much everything
was done over the phone.
00:10:25.40\00:10:27.73
They would call the
immediate supervisor
00:10:27.76\00:10:30.36
just to verify that this whole
application was legitimate.
00:10:30.39\00:10:33.21
Right.
00:10:33.24\00:10:34.27
So all this pastor
had to say was yes.
00:10:34.30\00:10:35.68
The Allegheny East Conference
00:10:35.71\00:10:36.82
has made a call
for Alfredo Roldan.
00:10:36.85\00:10:39.38
We are financially
responsible for him.
00:10:39.41\00:10:41.26
He's working for us.
00:10:41.29\00:10:43.56
We make ourselves responsible
for him and his family.
00:10:43.59\00:10:47.04
And all he had to say was yes,
00:10:47.07\00:10:48.15
that all those things were true
00:10:48.18\00:10:49.21
and he said that he doesn't know
00:10:49.24\00:10:51.21
what happened to him that day.
00:10:51.24\00:10:52.59
He got nervous
and he said no. No.
00:10:52.62\00:10:56.02
And they hung up the phone.
00:10:56.05\00:10:57.81
And when my
parents found that out,
00:10:57.84\00:11:01.12
the Allegheny East Conference
obviously was frustrated.
00:11:01.15\00:11:03.80
They had to restart that process
00:11:03.83\00:11:05.59
which meant more expenses.
00:11:05.62\00:11:07.63
And just in that one
year immigration laws changed.
00:11:07.66\00:11:11.01
When they tried to go
through the process again,
00:11:12.96\00:11:14.56
my parents no longer qualified.
00:11:14.59\00:11:16.36
They put new, new requirements
00:11:16.39\00:11:18.85
that my parents no
longer had anymore.
00:11:18.88\00:11:22.26
And so that began the
10-year journey of waiting
00:11:22.29\00:11:26.70
and waiting to
see what would happen.
00:11:26.73\00:11:27.93
And my parents had
to make that choice.
00:11:27.96\00:11:29.55
Our visas would
expire in just a few months.
00:11:29.58\00:11:32.04
Do they stay and let it expire?
00:11:32.07\00:11:34.13
Do we stay legal or do
we go back to South America?
00:11:34.16\00:11:37.43
South America that time
was in tremendous turmoil.
00:11:37.46\00:11:40.17
And my parents decided or
my brother and I's sake to,
00:11:40.20\00:11:43.87
to bear the brunt and
stay here and see what happens.
00:11:43.90\00:11:46.68
So we stayed for 10 years
00:11:46.71\00:11:48.86
waiting for our
papers to finalize then.
00:11:48.89\00:11:51.58
Every problem, every difficulty,
00:11:51.61\00:11:53.49
every challenge
we would encounter,
00:11:53.52\00:11:55.24
we would blame that
pastor, blame that pastor.
00:11:55.27\00:11:57.55
That began to have an
effect on my brother and I.
00:11:57.58\00:11:59.36
My personal
journey in that regards
00:11:59.39\00:12:01.92
was I began to
resent the church.
00:12:01.95\00:12:03.68
I began to resent
spiritual leadership.
00:12:03.71\00:12:05.82
If there was one thing I swore,
00:12:05.85\00:12:07.61
I would never
become is a pastor.
00:12:07.64\00:12:09.41
Is a pastor.
00:12:09.44\00:12:10.60
I thought that's the last thing.
00:12:10.63\00:12:12.20
Amazing. Boil me in oil.
00:12:12.23\00:12:15.20
I'm not gonna become a pastor.
00:12:15.23\00:12:16.34
The last you say. Those pa--
00:12:16.37\00:12:18.60
A pastor was a coward.
00:12:18.63\00:12:20.26
I thought, you know, I thought
the lowest in me was that guy.
00:12:20.29\00:12:24.34
But, I mean, in retrospect,
00:12:24.37\00:12:26.21
God has took- taken
me through a journey
00:12:26.24\00:12:28.50
where I have
met with that pastor
00:12:28.53\00:12:30.77
and we have made peace.
00:12:30.80\00:12:32.25
I needed that.
00:12:32.28\00:12:33.38
So you talked to him.
00:12:33.41\00:12:35.36
This is much later.
00:12:35.39\00:12:36.43
Yeah, but you did talk to him.
00:12:36.46\00:12:38.36
I confronted him
00:12:38.39\00:12:40.01
because I carried bitterness
in my heart for decades.
00:12:40.04\00:12:45.04
My parents in 1994--
00:12:45.07\00:12:47.84
1993, a new pastor from New York
00:12:47.87\00:12:50.04
was transferred to the
church we were in Harrisburg.
00:12:50.07\00:12:52.71
And he saw my family's plight.
00:12:52.74\00:12:54.54
He took compassion and said,
let me make some phone calls
00:12:54.57\00:12:57.26
and once again he tried
to process my dad's papers
00:12:57.29\00:13:01.50
and this time it worked.
00:13:01.53\00:13:03.70
For some reason the
Lord opened the doors,
00:13:03.73\00:13:06.02
but unfortunately by 1994,
00:13:06.05\00:13:08.20
10 years had gone
by and I turned 21.
00:13:08.23\00:13:10.90
So I turned 21 that April,
00:13:10.93\00:13:13.13
that August was our interview
00:13:13.16\00:13:15.10
in Argentina to
get our green card.
00:13:15.13\00:13:16.56
So because of 4 months
00:13:16.59\00:13:18.48
I was exempted
from the family package.
00:13:18.51\00:13:21.53
My younger brother
got his green card,
00:13:21.56\00:13:22.93
my parents got
their green cards.
00:13:22.96\00:13:24.49
And that was another
hard decision for my parents.
00:13:24.52\00:13:26.25
You know, we
came here as a family,
00:13:26.28\00:13:28.53
we were gonna
stay here as a family
00:13:28.56\00:13:29.78
and now one of our
family members is out,
00:13:29.81\00:13:32.35
because of that
pastor, because of that pastor.
00:13:32.38\00:13:36.66
I decided to stay,
the-- the lawyers told us,
00:13:36.69\00:13:38.47
if we take Ariel to Argentina
to get your residency cards,
00:13:38.50\00:13:42.78
that's the-- that's the way
the law work-- was back then.
00:13:42.81\00:13:47.61
There's a risk that he
won't be allowed to come back
00:13:47.64\00:13:49.78
because once
they see that he's 21,
00:13:49.81\00:13:51.73
they may say, oh, he's
out of a family package,
00:13:51.76\00:13:54.95
cancel his papers
00:13:54.98\00:13:56.04
and he won't be
allowed to come back here.
00:13:56.07\00:13:57.91
So my parents didn't
want to take that risk.
00:13:57.94\00:13:59.38
They told me to stay here.
00:13:59.41\00:14:00.60
Why don't we come
back, we'll apply for you.
00:14:00.63\00:14:03.17
So that's what my mom did.
00:14:03.20\00:14:04.42
And she came and obviously
it was a big financial drain,
00:14:04.45\00:14:08.21
so they had to wait to
build up a little bit of funds,
00:14:08.24\00:14:10.88
but my mom applied for
me as a direct relative,
00:14:10.91\00:14:13.78
but because I was an
adult it took a lot longer.
00:14:13.81\00:14:17.60
It took another 11 years.
00:14:17.63\00:14:19.79
Eleven years? Really?
00:14:19.82\00:14:20.89
Till I finally was able
to get my, my green card.
00:14:20.92\00:14:23.95
But in the process,
00:14:23.98\00:14:26.07
after I realized that I was
not gonna get my green card,
00:14:26.10\00:14:29.91
questions began to
arise because I had--
00:14:29.94\00:14:31.86
this is 1994, I was out of
high school for 2 years now.
00:14:31.89\00:14:35.64
It began to dawn on me
what being an illegal immigrant
00:14:35.67\00:14:38.03
in this country would do to me.
00:14:38.06\00:14:39.26
Number one, no education,
00:14:39.29\00:14:41.15
and no
opportunity for education,
00:14:41.18\00:14:43.18
which highly
limited my employment,
00:14:43.21\00:14:45.36
which has highly
limited my income.
00:14:45.39\00:14:47.65
And so I began to realize,
what do I do here in America?
00:14:47.68\00:14:52.57
I can't become an
American and so who do I become?
00:14:52.60\00:14:56.28
And I began to realize that,
00:14:56.31\00:14:57.47
I didn't really know
who I was, what I was to be.
00:14:57.50\00:15:00.81
I had learned like so
many undocumented people
00:15:01.98\00:15:04.58
in this country do with that--
00:15:04.61\00:15:05.64
There is a market for illegal
immigrants in this country.
00:15:05.67\00:15:08.01
You mean, you want to
work, you'll find work. Right.
00:15:08.04\00:15:10.66
So I was working
under the table for people
00:15:10.69\00:15:13.02
and making money.
00:15:13.05\00:15:16.52
But still feeling
like this was not it.
00:15:16.55\00:15:18.92
This-- There has
to be something more,
00:15:18.95\00:15:20.98
to why God has allowed us
to come into this country.
00:15:21.01\00:15:24.79
After waiting for,
like I said some years,
00:15:24.82\00:15:30.69
the church that
we were attending,
00:15:30.72\00:15:32.04
we transferred to an
English speaking church which,
00:15:32.07\00:15:35.99
maybe I should say
this in a little blurb.
00:15:36.02\00:15:39.04
Because I grew up in inner-city
and primarily Hispanic,
00:15:39.07\00:15:42.91
congregation--
00:15:42.94\00:15:44.99
It's interesting
that it's in this country
00:15:45.02\00:15:46.79
that I began to learn
about things like racism.
00:15:46.82\00:15:49.12
My country never had that. Okay.
00:15:49.15\00:15:51.40
It's more of a homogeneous type.
00:15:51.43\00:15:54.13
We have social class prejudice
but not color prejudice.
00:15:54.16\00:15:58.22
And I began to realize that,
00:15:58.25\00:16:00.29
yes, there were some individuals
00:16:00.32\00:16:01.84
who go occasion
race type of prejudice.
00:16:01.87\00:16:04.16
But within the Hispanic culture,
00:16:04.19\00:16:06.41
I began to hear Puerto Ricans,
00:16:06.44\00:16:08.44
say things about Mexicans
00:16:08.47\00:16:09.58
and Dominicans say things and...
00:16:09.61\00:16:11.68
And then all of us together
00:16:11.71\00:16:13.00
would say things against Anglos.
00:16:13.03\00:16:15.05
The white man was evil.
00:16:15.08\00:16:16.53
That's what the
sentiment was in the inner-city
00:16:16.56\00:16:18.53
and my mom began to attend a
pretty much all white church.
00:16:18.56\00:16:21.95
So I was already
with this presupposition
00:16:21.98\00:16:24.01
that these are evil
Christians Sabbath keepers.
00:16:24.04\00:16:26.67
But God used those, that church,
00:16:28.79\00:16:32.12
to correct and show me that...
00:16:32.15\00:16:34.81
these were some of the
most self sacrificing people
00:16:36.01\00:16:38.44
'cause they
helped me with lawyers,
00:16:38.47\00:16:40.77
they contacted
state representatives.
00:16:40.80\00:16:42.98
They-- One of
them, my youth leader
00:16:43.01\00:16:44.34
even wanted to adopt
me to resolve my problems.
00:16:44.37\00:16:47.80
So the Lord helped me
00:16:47.83\00:16:48.86
cure my racist
heart of the prejudice
00:16:48.89\00:16:50.87
that I had been infected
with and correct my view.
00:16:50.90\00:16:54.14
And I began to
realize everyone's racist.
00:16:54.17\00:16:56.94
The paradox of
the race, the race,
00:16:56.97\00:16:58.34
it's a virus, it
affects every race.
00:16:58.37\00:17:00.54
So every race needs to
be immunized against that.
00:17:01.62\00:17:05.50
And the Lord immunized me
00:17:05.53\00:17:06.56
by taking me to an Anglo church
in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania,
00:17:06.59\00:17:09.78
who loved me tremendously
and sacrificed a lot.
00:17:09.81\00:17:13.52
And in spite of all
of that I was for sure,
00:17:13.55\00:17:15.61
now God will definitely
do things through the church,
00:17:15.64\00:17:18.52
everything
failed, everything failed,
00:17:18.55\00:17:20.40
everything failed.
00:17:20.43\00:17:22.39
There was, all these
roadblocks and I finally began
00:17:22.42\00:17:24.98
to transfer my
resentment to the pastor to God.
00:17:25.01\00:17:27.63
What do you have against me?
00:17:27.66\00:17:28.95
Why can't I have a life?
00:17:28.98\00:17:30.72
I'm not choosing to go
in the pathway of drugs.
00:17:30.75\00:17:33.16
I'm not choosing to
go the pathway of this.
00:17:33.19\00:17:35.13
Let me interrupt you again.
00:17:35.16\00:17:37.53
Those are one of
the thoughts to my mind,
00:17:37.56\00:17:40.15
you know, why
didn't you just give it?
00:17:40.18\00:17:42.31
Why didn't you
just make a decision,
00:17:42.34\00:17:44.65
okay, I'm gonna go
and be a drug dealer
00:17:44.68\00:17:47.90
or someone as participating
in some street gang?
00:17:47.93\00:17:51.81
What kept you solid?
00:17:51.84\00:17:53.60
I-- It's a tragedy.
00:17:53.63\00:17:55.06
It's a sad-- part
of my journey here
00:17:55.09\00:18:00.19
when I got to
see a friend of mine,
00:18:00.22\00:18:01.47
a Cuban friend of
mine named Carlos Baccau,
00:18:01.50\00:18:04.58
who in the attempts to
try to fit in into the society
00:18:04.61\00:18:09.85
be chose to choose
these paths of drug dealing
00:18:09.88\00:18:12.85
which was very profitable.
00:18:12.88\00:18:15.13
In the neighborhood that
I was, those were the guys
00:18:15.16\00:18:16.80
with the nice cars with the--
00:18:16.83\00:18:18.11
At that time,
these big fat gold chains
00:18:18.14\00:18:19.90
with their names hanging there.
00:18:19.93\00:18:21.89
And he had those
and he had lots of money
00:18:23.39\00:18:26.03
and he invited
me to sell for him.
00:18:26.06\00:18:27.82
He actually told me
that he would take care of me
00:18:27.85\00:18:29.69
because we were Adventists.
00:18:29.72\00:18:31.14
I'll watch your
back. He was Adventist?
00:18:31.17\00:18:33.93
Yeah. Okay.
00:18:33.96\00:18:35.08
He was a Cuban refugee. Okay.
00:18:35.11\00:18:37.05
Which in his
journey, I mean, he survived.
00:18:37.08\00:18:39.39
His parents, their parents
00:18:39.42\00:18:40.48
when they came
into this country,
00:18:40.51\00:18:41.60
they got in this
little makeshift raft
00:18:41.63\00:18:42.95
that should have sank
coming from Cuba to Miami,
00:18:42.98\00:18:47.43
but in the
providence of God it survived
00:18:47.46\00:18:49.30
and he was a baby in
arms when he came here.
00:18:49.33\00:18:52.53
So...
00:18:52.56\00:18:53.59
but, you know,
we make our choices.
00:18:54.60\00:18:57.03
And he died at
the age of 19, shot
00:18:57.06\00:19:00.49
because he did some
things with people in New York
00:19:00.52\00:19:02.97
that he shouldn't have.
00:19:03.00\00:19:04.03
Sort of tried to maneuver
some things financially that,
00:19:04.06\00:19:08.14
that he shouldn't have.
00:19:08.17\00:19:09.46
Shouldn't have been
in that business anyways,
00:19:09.49\00:19:11.47
but he died and that was
a wake up call for me in a--
00:19:11.50\00:19:14.28
in a definite I'm
not going down that path.
00:19:14.31\00:19:16.92
But you had considered it?
00:19:16.95\00:19:19.59
Well, asides
from the drug dealers,
00:19:19.62\00:19:21.83
in the Hispanic
culture you feared this thing
00:19:21.86\00:19:24.24
called the chancleta.
00:19:24.27\00:19:25.30
Okay.
00:19:25.33\00:19:26.36
And it's your parents'
belt and it's a flip-flop.
00:19:26.39\00:19:29.24
Changu-- Okay.
Chancleta. It's the flipper.
00:19:29.27\00:19:32.06
South America is hot,
so they wore slippers--
00:19:32.09\00:19:35.40
It's a awesome, awesome
instrument of righteousness.
00:19:35.43\00:19:38.22
I can imagine.
00:19:38.25\00:19:39.28
It's local, you can throw it,
00:19:39.31\00:19:41.99
at a long distance.
00:19:42.02\00:19:44.39
And I fear my
parents' disapproval.
00:19:44.42\00:19:47.25
I mean, they, they
had struck out their necks
00:19:47.28\00:19:49.10
to stay here in
this country for me.
00:19:49.13\00:19:50.72
I feared not just like they
would corporately punish me.
00:19:50.75\00:19:53.39
I just felt that
they would be disappointed
00:19:53.42\00:19:55.88
and that I would
actually bring harm to them.
00:19:55.91\00:19:58.72
Because when you mess
with these individuals,
00:19:58.75\00:20:00.41
I know that they would
go after your family and...
00:20:00.44\00:20:02.85
Take everyone. So but when--
00:20:02.88\00:20:05.04
Carlos was to me a wakeup
call that it can happen to me.
00:20:05.07\00:20:09.19
It happened that close to me
00:20:09.22\00:20:10.34
that a dear friend
of mine is dead at 19.
00:20:10.37\00:20:12.52
I was 18.
00:20:12.55\00:20:14.13
He would have been
40 years old this year.
00:20:14.16\00:20:16.82
And with family and
children and probably like me,
00:20:16.85\00:20:19.16
but he's no longer, he
was cut short violently.
00:20:19.19\00:20:22.90
So that, that part of me
was just not attractive at all.
00:20:22.93\00:20:26.52
God used that experience
00:20:26.55\00:20:27.94
to totally close
those doors for me.
00:20:27.97\00:20:32.73
But still, you know, the
bitterness, the resentment
00:20:32.76\00:20:35.14
and the like of
knowing who I am.
00:20:35.17\00:20:37.73
Finally in 98 I
decided to leave this country
00:20:37.76\00:20:40.19
and say, phooey,
you know, I don't want.
00:20:40.22\00:20:42.03
This country doesn't want
me, I don't want this country.
00:20:42.06\00:20:44.86
Went back to South
America to Bolivia.
00:20:44.89\00:20:46.95
You did go back.
00:20:46.98\00:20:48.05
I went back,
um... only for 3 months.
00:20:48.08\00:20:53.75
It wasn't planned, I was
just gonna go there forever
00:20:53.78\00:20:55.62
and never come
back to this country,
00:20:55.65\00:20:56.76
but landed, through the God--
00:20:56.79\00:20:58.51
Lord's
providence, in a-- in Bolivia,
00:20:58.54\00:21:01.83
I had a branch
from this organization
00:21:01.86\00:21:03.34
called ADRA
00:21:03.37\00:21:04.88
which is that relief agency
00:21:04.91\00:21:06.26
of the Adventist
Church for Hawaii.
00:21:06.29\00:21:08.23
And they had a branch in Bolivia
00:21:08.26\00:21:09.71
for drug addicted
children, glue sniffers.
00:21:09.74\00:21:12.57
They needed a translator
00:21:12.60\00:21:13.70
to help write letters
for sponsors in the US
00:21:13.73\00:21:15.62
and since I was bilingual,
they asked me to help out.
00:21:15.65\00:21:18.69
Where they sent
me to the mountains,
00:21:18.72\00:21:19.94
they didn't tell me that part.
00:21:19.97\00:21:21.00
Really.
00:21:21.03\00:21:22.06
And where their
center was located,
00:21:22.09\00:21:24.66
no electricity,
no running water.
00:21:24.69\00:21:26.39
They had running water
00:21:26.42\00:21:27.58
but not like the
kind that we have.
00:21:27.61\00:21:29.49
But these children
00:21:29.52\00:21:30.55
the Lord used to
begin to show me my calling.
00:21:30.58\00:21:34.48
I began to feel a
natural attraction
00:21:34.51\00:21:37.16
to talking to them about
Jesus and praying with them.
00:21:37.19\00:21:39.08
The children were sniffing glue.
00:21:39.11\00:21:40.96
Yes, these were 9-12-year-olds.
00:21:40.99\00:21:43.33
Actually 6-12-year-olds
that were at the center,
00:21:43.36\00:21:46.25
to get detoxed, emotionally,
00:21:46.28\00:21:48.91
not just
physically, detox spiritually.
00:21:48.94\00:21:51.75
Then I began to realize,
00:21:51.78\00:21:52.81
it's natural for me to
want to share the Lord.
00:21:52.84\00:21:54.19
It's natural for me
to explain the Bible
00:21:54.22\00:21:55.76
and I began to realize
that people actually understood
00:21:55.79\00:21:58.42
when I explained
the Bible to them.
00:21:58.45\00:21:59.89
The Lord had used somehow,
00:21:59.92\00:22:01.17
something in my
brain that I can understand
00:22:01.20\00:22:03.62
how they would understand it.
00:22:03.65\00:22:04.78
And I began to discover
skills and things inside of me
00:22:04.81\00:22:08.25
and then all of
sudden I thought,
00:22:08.28\00:22:09.46
you know, I--
00:22:09.49\00:22:10.52
Lord, if I was
only back in the States,
00:22:10.55\00:22:12.30
why did you close the doors?
00:22:12.33\00:22:14.04
And all of a
sudden a door opened
00:22:14.07\00:22:15.65
which I don't
have time to, to share,
00:22:15.68\00:22:18.19
but it was a tremendous
miracle both legal and financial
00:22:18.22\00:22:22.32
that only 3 months after I left,
00:22:22.35\00:22:24.48
I was landing in
Miami airport once again.
00:22:24.51\00:22:27.07
The Lord did another miracle
to get me into this country...
00:22:27.10\00:22:30.49
still illegal.
00:22:30.52\00:22:31.60
Still illegal.
And I didn't have to--
00:22:31.63\00:22:34.27
This journey, you know,
00:22:34.30\00:22:36.43
after it took you
to the United States
00:22:36.46\00:22:39.92
and then it took you
back to South America
00:22:39.95\00:22:42.64
because you said you were
really searching to find out
00:22:42.67\00:22:45.06
who you were and--
00:22:45.09\00:22:47.05
I left because
I was angry. Okay.
00:22:47.08\00:22:48.95
But in Bolivia the
Lord began to challenge me.
00:22:48.98\00:22:50.73
You don't know who you are.
00:22:50.76\00:22:53.06
Now you can go to
school here in Bolivia,
00:22:53.09\00:22:54.80
there was Adventist
University were I was at
00:22:54.83\00:22:56.99
What do you want to be?
00:22:57.02\00:22:58.21
You are right in the university.
00:22:58.24\00:22:59.60
What do you want to take?
00:22:59.63\00:23:00.91
And I began to
realize, I don't know.
00:23:00.94\00:23:03.46
So you went in searching,
00:23:03.49\00:23:04.76
so eventually you
had to find your purpose.
00:23:04.79\00:23:06.86
I began to realize,
I don't know who I am
00:23:06.89\00:23:08.55
and God is trying to show me.
00:23:08.58\00:23:10.30
And through this
drug-addicted children,
00:23:10.33\00:23:12.63
the Lord began to awaken
inside of me a desire to serve,
00:23:12.66\00:23:16.04
a journey of service for Him.
00:23:16.07\00:23:18.31
So I came back to
the United States,
00:23:18.34\00:23:19.70
went to Pennsylvania,
00:23:19.73\00:23:20.84
I have to really
fast-forward through this part.
00:23:20.87\00:23:23.05
The Lord moved
upon different things
00:23:23.08\00:23:25.16
that ended up in
California for a whole year
00:23:25.19\00:23:27.25
learning how to do massage.
00:23:27.28\00:23:29.23
Then I went back to Pennsylvania
00:23:29.26\00:23:30.66
to work as a youth
leader, as a massage therapist.
00:23:30.69\00:23:34.40
Still illegal but I thought hey,
00:23:34.43\00:23:35.55
I'm not gonna go and turn myself
00:23:35.58\00:23:37.21
into immigration services.
00:23:37.24\00:23:38.40
I myself, I'm self employed.
00:23:38.43\00:23:40.40
But I still felt like
this was not fulfilling.
00:23:42.13\00:23:44.28
There's something more
that I have to be doing,
00:23:44.31\00:23:45.90
not just massaging people.
00:23:45.93\00:23:48.37
I began to feel the
need to be more trained,
00:23:48.40\00:23:50.86
how to share Jesus with others
00:23:50.89\00:23:52.11
and I found out about
this school in South Dakota
00:23:52.14\00:23:53.96
called Mission
College of Evangelism.
00:23:53.99\00:23:56.12
The Lord opened up a
door for me to be there,
00:23:56.15\00:23:57.61
when I got there,
00:23:57.64\00:23:58.72
there massage
therapist was leaving
00:23:58.75\00:24:00.75
and they found
out that I was there,
00:24:00.78\00:24:02.05
that I had those
skills and they said, hey,
00:24:02.08\00:24:04.25
well, you want to
swap education for,
00:24:04.28\00:24:07.27
you know, you work
at our health clinic
00:24:07.30\00:24:08.82
because they had a Black Hills
Health and Education Center
00:24:08.85\00:24:11.46
and they needed a
male massage therapist.
00:24:11.49\00:24:13.44
So I stayed there for 2 years,
took their evangelism course,
00:24:13.47\00:24:16.61
their pastoral course,
00:24:16.64\00:24:18.25
then when I
decided that I need to
00:24:18.28\00:24:19.36
go to nursing school, I left.
00:24:19.39\00:24:23.02
Pastor Torres asked me to do
00:24:23.05\00:24:24.08
an evangelistic series
in Columbus, Ohio with ASI.
00:24:24.11\00:24:27.63
I ended up
staying there for 2 years,
00:24:27.66\00:24:29.07
church planting and that church
is a full-fledged church now.
00:24:29.10\00:24:32.39
God is awesome, yes. Praise God.
00:24:32.42\00:24:34.64
I finished nursing.
00:24:34.67\00:24:36.86
I started nursing in
2004, finished nursing in 2008.
00:24:36.89\00:24:40.43
I started working. I
got married that year.
00:24:40.46\00:24:42.63
Six months after I got married,
00:24:42.66\00:24:44.50
I told my wife I
want her conviction.
00:24:44.53\00:24:47.20
I'm quitting my
job at the hospital.
00:24:47.23\00:24:49.62
We need to move to
Berrien Springs, Michigan.
00:24:49.65\00:24:52.14
God is calling me to be a pastor
00:24:52.17\00:24:54.20
and I need to get education.
00:24:54.23\00:24:55.87
So we left in 2008,
Harrisburg, Pennsylvania,
00:24:55.90\00:24:59.06
landed in Andrews University.
00:24:59.09\00:25:02.26
Finished my
bachelors, finished my MDF,
00:25:02.29\00:25:04.55
and I graduated
this past May of 2012.
00:25:04.58\00:25:07.03
Praise the Lord.
Congratulations. Praise God.
00:25:07.06\00:25:10.39
It's fantastic.
00:25:10.42\00:25:11.66
You know, so the way you tell,
00:25:11.69\00:25:14.09
you know, new immigrants
coming in to the United States.
00:25:14.12\00:25:19.98
Number one, pay your taxes.
00:25:20.01\00:25:21.39
And take car insurance.
00:25:23.09\00:25:24.78
Okay.
00:25:24.81\00:25:25.84
I used to tell him my illegal--
00:25:25.87\00:25:27.23
Ah, in Columbus, Ohio,
00:25:27.26\00:25:28.30
80% of my congregation
was illegal immigrants. Wow.
00:25:28.33\00:25:30.70
So I really began to see that
00:25:30.73\00:25:31.76
I wasn't the
only one struggling.
00:25:31.79\00:25:33.18
Just with papers
but with identity.
00:25:33.21\00:25:35.19
When I finally got my green card
00:25:35.22\00:25:37.07
already knew who I was.
00:25:37.10\00:25:38.44
Nothing changed that
the day I got my green card.
00:25:38.47\00:25:40.81
Because there was a divine
identity that extends beyond--
00:25:40.84\00:25:44.33
You see, even Americans
don't know who they are.
00:25:44.36\00:25:46.64
And if you become a US citizen,
00:25:46.67\00:25:48.74
the US
government cannot tell you
00:25:48.77\00:25:50.13
what your
calling for your life is.
00:25:50.16\00:25:52.17
What will give you
fulfillment, that purpose,
00:25:52.20\00:25:54.05
that meaning for your existence.
00:25:54.08\00:25:55.96
Only your Creator can do that.
00:25:55.99\00:25:57.92
And God through His
various circumstances
00:25:57.95\00:25:59.91
delayed my process so
that I could not tell you
00:25:59.94\00:26:04.12
that I know that I'm a
pastor because I'm a US citizen,
00:26:04.15\00:26:06.86
rather I know that I am
supposed to be what I am
00:26:06.89\00:26:10.08
because God showed
a knucklehead Hispanic
00:26:10.11\00:26:12.92
through many years,
His calling for my life.
00:26:12.95\00:26:16.97
So I tell would immigrants
surrender to the Lord.
00:26:17.00\00:26:20.66
Trust the Lord. He
can move mountains.
00:26:20.69\00:26:23.57
Even if you're in this country,
00:26:23.60\00:26:24.70
I mean, I was a
massage therapist,
00:26:24.73\00:26:26.32
I did all these things,
00:26:26.35\00:26:27.58
in spite of having a green card,
00:26:27.61\00:26:28.98
but I was submitted to the Lord.
00:26:29.01\00:26:30.29
If the Lord said, go,
I stepped out in faith,
00:26:30.32\00:26:32.95
trusting that He
would open doors for me.
00:26:32.98\00:26:35.65
I was given the
privilege of baptizing people
00:26:35.68\00:26:39.13
that I was giving Bible
studies in Columbus, Ohio,
00:26:39.16\00:26:41.55
though I wasn't even a pastor.
00:26:41.58\00:26:42.95
Right. So-- And those--
00:26:42.98\00:26:45.05
I used to weep
at night thinking,
00:26:45.08\00:26:46.23
Lord, you know, I never thought
00:26:46.26\00:26:48.65
life with You
would be like this.
00:26:48.68\00:26:49.88
I'm getting to do stuff
that in my wildest dreams
00:26:49.91\00:26:54.06
I wouldn't have thought of.
00:26:54.09\00:26:55.14
Now you're the pastor
00:26:55.17\00:26:56.69
of the Oakwood
Seventh-day Adventist Church,
00:26:56.72\00:26:59.09
Taylor, Michigan.
00:26:59.12\00:27:01.19
Are you enjoying
your journey here at--
00:27:01.22\00:27:02.99
Oh, I, I have these
visions and all these passion
00:27:03.02\00:27:10.45
and things that I just
want to pour into the church,
00:27:10.48\00:27:13.61
there's not enough
Sabbath for me to preach.
00:27:13.64\00:27:16.29
I could preach there
every day of the week
00:27:16.32\00:27:18.25
if I was allowed.
00:27:18.28\00:27:20.20
But it's a wonderful church.
00:27:20.23\00:27:22.39
I've received my family
with tremendous welcoming arms,
00:27:22.42\00:27:27.24
and I'm humbled
because the Lord--
00:27:27.27\00:27:30.64
I keep pictures,
00:27:30.67\00:27:31.70
I keep
memorabilia of what reminds me
00:27:31.73\00:27:35.94
just like the people of Israel,
00:27:35.97\00:27:37.39
that God told them,
remember who you used to be.
00:27:37.42\00:27:40.28
Don't forget
where I took you out of.
00:27:40.31\00:27:42.15
You were a nobody, but
you're out where you're at
00:27:42.18\00:27:45.04
because I had mercy upon you.
00:27:45.07\00:27:46.64
Amen. My Lord.
00:27:46.67\00:27:47.94
Well, listen, I want
to thank you, pastor,
00:27:47.97\00:27:50.77
so much and we want to
thank you from "Making It Work"
00:27:50.80\00:27:53.72
for allowing the church
to host our program here.
00:27:53.75\00:27:57.39
It's our
blessing. Thank you so much.
00:27:57.42\00:27:59.41
Absolutely, absolutely.
00:27:59.44\00:28:00.47
We all have our own
journeys, but with God,
00:28:00.50\00:28:03.26
your journey can be
done through great miracles,
00:28:03.29\00:28:06.52
and a blessing to bless others.
00:28:06.55\00:28:09.37
Well, I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin.
And I'm Arthur Nowlin.
00:28:09.40\00:28:12.21
And remember your journey
can have a purpose to serve.
00:28:12.24\00:28:16.04
Yes. God bless.
00:28:16.07\00:28:17.14