Participants: Arthur Nowlin (Host), Dr Kim Logan-Nowlin (Host), Heavenly Peoples, Pr. Marshon Peoples
Series Code: MIW
Program Code: MIW000036
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00:01 Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin.
00:02 I'm Arthur Nowlin. 00:03 And we want to welcome you "Making It Work." 00:37 Arthur? Yes. 00:39 You like my coat of many colors? 00:40 Yes, now let me see. Okay. 00:42 Somebody-- Was it-- Did you get that from Joseph? 00:46 You mean the Joseph? The Joseph. 00:48 No, dear, he's been gone for some time. 00:49 I mean, the design and all that stuff. 00:51 Oh, maybe... And he had many colors, right? 00:53 Right, but I just wanted-- 00:55 The reason why I brought this out, 00:56 you know, the coat of many colors 00:57 and you brought up Joseph because Joseph had to be 01:00 a forgiving person. 01:02 If you recall the story and some of those 01:04 who don't know the story about Joseph, 01:07 he was put into a pit by his brothers 01:11 but his father gave him, Jacob, 01:13 a beautiful coat of many colors. 01:15 Right. And they were jealous of him. 01:18 Now, not to say Joseph didn't do some things to 01:21 provoke the jealousy or the envy, 01:24 but today that brings me into our topic, all right, 01:28 forgiving through faithfulness. 01:30 Because Joseph, as time went on, 01:33 had to learn to forgive his brothers, 01:36 when they came before him. 01:37 Took a vow. 01:38 He took a vow but he was the Pharaoh's chief steward. 01:42 Absolutely. And he had to make provisions-- 01:45 And when they came in, and can you imagine, 01:47 when he saw his brothers he was just, he was happy, 01:51 but he at that moment-- 01:53 He had to pray. 01:54 He had to pray, but he remembered 01:56 the God of his father. 01:57 Absolutely. 01:58 And he forgave them, even down to go 02:00 and get your younger brother. 02:02 And how he went through all that. 02:04 So, today we're going to talk about forgiving 02:07 through faithfulness. 02:09 Arthur, have you ever had to forgive me of something? 02:11 Lord have mercy. Okay-- 02:13 Okay, we don't want to, you know, prolong our program. 02:15 Okay, we won't prolong-- 02:16 But you did forgive through faithfulness. 02:18 I had to forgive because 02:20 if I didn't forgive you, who else would? 02:23 I mean, besides Jesus. God will. 02:25 But again, I want you to know 02:28 I'm forgiving you too, all right. Amen. 02:31 I didn't do anything. You didn't do anything? 02:35 That's what they all will say. 02:36 Well, I'm glad, Arthur, you have, you know, 02:38 forgiven me because without forgiveness, our marriage, 02:40 our relationship can't work. 02:42 Yeah. That takes us into our special guests. 02:44 And, Arthur, what a testimony. 02:47 But I'm not going to tell it, I'm going to let them tell it. 02:49 I'm so happy. Okay, because I probably just-- 02:51 I don't want to mess it up. Okay, don't mess it up. 02:53 All right, but I got to introduce pastor 02:55 and first lady Marshon and Heavenly Joy Peoples. 03:00 Peoples. God bless you. 03:03 I love that. Thank you. 03:05 You know, as our first time meeting in person. 03:08 Yes. Yes. 03:09 Well, listen, we want to get right to it because we want 03:10 you to have all the time you need to tell this 03:12 beautiful testimony how God has saved your life, pastor, 03:17 and what happened. 03:18 It's all yours. 03:19 Well, first of all, I work with a lot of gangs 03:23 in Grand Rapids area, Grand Rapids, Michigan. 03:26 And I also worked with the police department, 03:29 as crime prevention organizer. 03:31 And I'd received a lot of reports that young ladies 03:35 were getting abused in house parties and being sold 03:37 into prostitution. 03:39 So to circumvent that, me and some other community 03:42 organizers came together and said, "Well, 03:44 let's have a safe haven." 03:46 The kids were having a basket ball game 03:47 at Kentwood High and we gave them a place to come 03:50 where they can congregate and have refreshments 03:53 and play their music. 03:54 Well, without alcohol, drugs and so on and so forth. 03:57 So we set some strict ground rules for this. 04:00 Amen. 04:01 And at this event right 04:03 when it was around at 11 o'clock, 04:04 when we were about to shut it down, 04:06 some young men showed up. 04:08 They was already breaking the rules, 04:09 they were smelling like weed and alcohol and, you know, 04:12 I work with gangs, so I know how to give them their 04:13 respect and talk to them kindly. 04:16 But they really pressed their way, 04:19 they really wanted to get in and one thing led to another 04:22 I was end up shot in the back of my head. 04:26 And that's what happened, but the story of it is that 04:32 when I was-- I will just say I died. 04:36 It was total darkness, I couldn't move, 04:39 could not hear but my conscious thought was still there. 04:43 And I remember talking to the Lord and saying, 04:46 "Lord, not like this. Not like this." 04:51 And then I questioned it. Is this it? 04:53 Is this my time to go? 04:55 I don't know how much time had lapsed 04:57 but it's as if God answered me, He didn't say with 05:00 an audible voice, but He allowed me 05:02 to hear a lady who was helping the security out. 05:05 I heard her voice, she said, "If he will only breathe, 05:08 I know he'll be okay." 05:10 Well, that in my conscious thought, I said, "Wow, 05:12 my body is not breathing, it's not breathing." 05:16 I took a deep breath and God gave me 05:18 that one more breath. 05:19 In this moment you do think of-- 05:24 Your whole life does flash before your eyes. 05:27 And I said, Lord, but the ministries. 05:29 Like I took a million and one questions 05:31 and handed it to Him. 05:33 One of the main questions was my wife. 05:35 What about her? 05:36 And my whole focus was, let me just see her 05:39 one more time. 05:41 Just let me see her one more time. 05:42 And the beauty all of this is that the detectives 05:48 later said that they found 33 shell casings 05:51 at the premises. 05:53 I had about 150 kids there and not one of them got hit, 05:57 scratched or harmed. 05:58 Praise God. 05:59 And that's the true testimony 06:00 that out of all this that not a parent 06:02 is up here wondering, what if. 06:05 We don't have wonder what if. It didn't happen. 06:07 So God blessed in a mighty way. 06:10 Oh. Sister Peoples, first lady. 06:14 Where were you when this happened? 06:16 I was at home and I can remember before he even went, 06:22 we were sitting on the bean bag, 06:25 and we were talking about it and he was tired, 06:29 he really didn't even want to go but he knew 06:31 that he had to keep his word. 06:32 He had promised these kids, you know, 06:34 I was going to be there, I was going to open the doors 06:37 and he said, "I can't let them down. 06:39 I got to keep my word." 06:41 And he left, and about 10 o' clock I text him, 06:46 "How are things going?" Everything was going good. 06:49 And then I got the phone call from one the boys 06:54 that he mentors. 06:55 He was actually sitting right next to Marshon 06:59 when he was on the ground 07:00 and he told me to hurry up and get down there. 07:03 He'd been shot. 07:04 Thank God at that moment 07:06 he didn't tell me he got shot in the head. 07:07 Oh. Or else I would have-- I said, was he okay? 07:10 Is he, you know? 07:12 He said, "Yeah, his eyes are open and he's talking. 07:17 You know, seems like he's okay." 07:19 The ambulance hadn't gotten there yet. 07:20 I got off the phone, I felt like I was almost 07:22 in a dream, you know, like this wasn't happening. 07:24 I actually called 911 07:26 because he didn't tell me he did. 07:27 And I was like, I need to make sure they get there. 07:30 So, but I was-- And I-- They told me not to leave, 07:35 when I called 911, they said don't. 07:37 Told you not leave your home? 07:38 Yeah, they said, don't go, don't go anywhere. 07:42 You know, the ambulance is already on the way, 07:44 we don't want you getting hurt. 07:46 You know, your driving and getting in an accident. 07:49 And I was like, oh my, I can't go? 07:50 I can't leave? 07:51 So I called my mom and I actually started walking, 07:54 she seemed like she was taking forever to get there. 07:55 I started walking down the street waiting for her 07:58 and finally we went and it was just crazy-- 08:01 I couldn't believe it. I just-- 08:02 You saw him there? 08:04 Well, as soon as I got there, 08:06 there was police like down the street, 08:08 so I couldn't even get there. 08:10 Couldn't even get in. 08:11 No, they didn't even know where he was going, 08:13 which hospital he was going to. 08:14 So they called the ambulance and then we followed, 08:18 but then we quickly went to the hospital. 08:22 And he had just gotten there when we pulled up and so... 08:28 And I got into the room and he looked up at me, 08:32 you know, and yeah, I just-- 08:35 He smiled and yeah, it was good to see him. 08:40 Yes. 08:42 You know, and it's nothing but a miracle 08:45 that he's still here. 08:46 Then you went right into surgery? 08:48 No, we actually didn't go into surgery 08:50 till the next day. 08:51 That was something we had to pray about. 08:52 We had to pray about it, but I notified my mom 08:56 and I notified Pastor Sapp 08:58 and I didn't know what was going on. 09:01 And the next day they came and they said 09:05 that the bullet is in your head and you have 09:09 to make a decision because there's a piece of air 09:12 that's trapped between 09:13 the bullet and your brain and if you leave it in, 09:16 that air can corrode and you can have worse problems. 09:20 But if you have it removed, there's a slim chance 09:22 you don't make it. 09:23 And I said, can you give me and my wife a moment? 09:27 And they said, take all the time you need. 09:29 And I looked at her and I said, I'm still here. 09:32 So this is a gift and we might as well go ahead with 09:35 this surgery to remove it and without even second 09:38 thought, she said okay. 09:39 Oh, my God, chills are just going down my body. 09:41 Yes. So you had made the decision to go ahead. 09:47 What made you-- 09:48 Because your husband said without second thought 09:50 you said go ahead. 09:52 What were you thinking? 09:54 You know, I trust the God in him, so I just-- 09:59 We just had total peace, you know, 10:00 about it and we went with it. 10:03 It was that easy. Excellent. 10:05 Now let's go back before this incident. 10:09 You know, you are pastor, what's the name of your church? 10:12 BEYOND Christian Renaissance Movement. 10:15 We were fellowshipping 10:17 at Lighthouse Full Life Center Church 10:19 with Pastor Marvin L. Sapp 10:22 and he had just sent me out to pastor there Tuesday. 10:25 The Friday of that week I got shot. 10:28 January 6, 2012. 10:30 Yes. My Lord. 10:31 Now as follow up with the incident, 10:35 and did they find out who did this thing? 10:38 Yes, they did find out the gentlemen who involved, 10:41 they are still looking for two of them 10:43 but two have been incarcerated. 10:45 Well, we actually went to their sentencing, 10:47 to their hearing and their sentencing. 10:49 And at the sentencing, the young man who actually 10:51 did shoot me, he did say that it wasn't intended for you. 10:56 I wasn't trying to hit you. 10:57 But I let him know, at that sentencing, I was, like, 11:00 you know, I had already forgiven him. 11:02 And let him know that regardless 11:04 of what your reasoning for bringing a gun is, 11:06 I want to help you here and out with your choices. 11:09 And I talked to the judge as well to-- 11:13 My hope was that he'd reduce the sentence. 11:14 He got a sentence for 5 to 20 but he has a baby, 11:19 so my hope is that he'd reduce the sentence 11:22 so that he can spend time with his family and that 11:25 he's released to me and then we can continue to work 11:28 with his decision making. 11:29 Wow, and how old is this young man? 11:31 This young man, he's 20 years old. 11:32 Twenty years old. Yes, yes. 11:35 I mean, you talk about forgiveness-- 11:37 You're talking about having this young man 11:40 released to you so that you can help him. 11:43 Yes. The young man who shot you. 11:45 Yes. Even though it was not intended. 11:47 Yes. He said it was not intended. 11:49 He said it was not intended. But the bullet hit you. 11:53 The bullet hit me, even in my head. 11:55 So when you look at the whole picture what God 11:58 is doing, you know, what God will do to save one soul 12:03 and that young man could be 12:04 that soul for to you go through this. 12:07 Let me ask, was his family there when he was sentenced? 12:12 His father and his mother were at the sentencing, 12:16 and we did get a chance to talk with them and this was 12:18 what we have to realize that we always say that 12:21 it's parenting or you need more programs. 12:24 No, this young man actually got good grades in school, 12:28 he was one of the stars on the basket ball team, 12:31 one of the best on the football team. 12:33 His father said he had the best of both worlds. 12:37 However, after he got done doing his homework, 12:40 after got done with his practices, 12:42 he went out into the street and did bad things, 12:46 and hung with bad crowd. 12:48 So we have to extend ourselves further than 12:51 that into a relationship. 12:54 We have to have multiple people in a person's life 12:57 to continue to guide them 12:59 through this process called life. 13:01 It's not going to just take the parents, 13:02 it's going to take the grandparents, the aunty, 13:04 the uncle, the pastor, the friend, the mentor. 13:06 Takes a village. Takes a village. Yes. 13:08 To do this, to help this one individual 13:10 with his decisions. 13:11 Young ladies as well, help them with their decisions, 13:15 and not telling what to do but helping them come 13:17 to their own conclusion. 13:18 You know, is this wise? 13:21 These people who you hang with, 13:23 is this part of your program? 13:25 Is this your goal that you want to reach? 13:27 Mentoring. Mentorship. Yes. 13:29 Because one choice, one choice, viewers, 13:32 can destroy your whole life. 13:34 You can choose to be proactive, to be productive, 13:37 to be positive, you know, for God to use you, 13:40 and God wants to use us. 13:42 Or you can choose to go, you know, 13:44 where the enemy wants you to go because Satan doesn't 13:48 want to do anything but destroy your life. 13:50 That's right. Kill and destroy. 13:51 That's right. So let me ask you this. 13:54 Are you back in the pulpit now? 13:56 Yes, I'm back in the pulpit now. 13:57 Oh, I know your members are happy. 13:59 How long have you been back in the pulpit? 14:02 It's a couple of months now? 14:03 Couple of months, we have partnered 14:06 with another church called Full Life Center Church 14:09 and we're fellowshipping with them 14:11 to help out their youth department 14:13 and we just do a lot of things in the community. 14:17 And that's what BEYOND is all about, 14:18 it's actually going about doing good, 14:21 healing all who are oppressed by the devil 14:22 for God is with us. 14:24 Often times with church people 14:25 we do is we congregate in a certain building 14:29 or certain environment and don't come 14:30 outside those four walls. 14:32 But what BEYOND is, is more than that. 14:34 It's like seeing a piece of paper on the floor. 14:37 Instead of preaching about the piece of paper being 14:39 on the floor, why don't you 14:40 just pick the piece of paper up? 14:42 And that's what we all have to do as saints of God 14:44 is to go out and do the good. 14:46 Don't tell the people about it, be about it, 14:48 be the example and then show them how to do it 14:51 instead of saying what you got to do. 14:52 Yeah. Come follow me. 14:54 This is what I'm doing, do this with me. 14:56 And we can do it together and then eventually 14:59 you've reached so many people, you have to send others out. 15:02 Out. Yes. Go. 15:03 Like go, 'cause we-- Our company is too large. 15:06 Right. You look at these m-- 15:07 And I have nothing against these mega churches. 15:09 Yes. But we need to start sending people out. Yes. 15:12 To minister, instead of just being there 15:15 under that one tutelage and no one is growing, 15:19 and no one is reaching the masses. 15:22 Let me ask you a question going back to this young man. 15:29 You made a statement that you would be 15:30 willing to assist him, to help him. 15:33 Yes. You know. 15:36 What was the motivation to come up with that decision? 15:40 Well, I will say this that, you know, 15:42 growing up that I was faced 15:45 with a lot of decisions like this, 15:46 I was faced with three different gangs 15:48 who would always come at me to get me to join, 15:51 but I was raised in a church, strong mother. 15:53 Strong mother. Strong mother. 15:55 In Detroit? 15:56 In Ypsilanti. Ypsilanti? 15:57 Yes, and I couldn't fathom going to my mom 16:03 letting her know that I'm a part of this gang, 16:05 that I know better. 16:07 So I will fight them. 16:08 And I got all scars on my body to prove it. 16:11 So what made me do this is 16:13 I see me in a lot of these young men. 16:16 Now I had a lot of men in the church 16:17 that I modeled myself after. 16:19 I looked at them and I always thought the best 16:21 and idolized them and it's just like, 16:23 I want to dress like him, I want to treat my wife 16:25 like him, so on and so forth. 16:28 I want to preach like them. Okay. 16:29 But some young men, some young ladies, 16:33 they don't always have that. 16:35 So I was like, I had this, now I have to give back. 16:37 And the young man, he was just facing 16:39 that same predicament that he had a decision. 16:42 He just happened to make the wrong one. 16:45 But God took it, turned it around and not only am I 16:48 gonna reach him, I'm reaching all those 16:50 that's listening to this 16:51 and all the different conferences 16:53 I've done thus far. 16:54 Yes. And reaching them more than I was. 16:56 So it is a ripple effect. Oh, most definitely. 16:59 Then, let's go back, when you woke up after surgery, 17:02 you know, how many hours were you in surgery? 17:04 How many hours I was in the surgery? 17:06 One. One hour? 17:08 Oh, we had a great surgeon in the IU. 17:11 Okay. My mother. Tell her. 17:15 She had to make sure that she anointed all of the 17:21 surgeons and the nurses before they came in and then 17:25 one surgeon came in late and they told him he had to go 17:30 back out to make sure that my mother anointed him 17:34 and prayed for him. 17:35 Be careful who lay hands on you. 17:37 So each one of the surgeons accepted the anointing? 17:41 Yes. And the prayer? 17:43 All of them. Oh. 17:45 That's amazing. Yes. 17:47 You all were witnessing. You were being a witness. 17:49 Made me think about your knee, babe. 17:51 I know. You know, when we-- 17:53 You know, I broke my knee in Bermuda. 17:55 There on vacation for the first time in a long time. 17:58 And my husband told me to come this way and of course 18:03 I wanted to go that way. 18:05 And I end up breaking my patella and couldn't walk 18:08 and so before I went to surgery, I said you know, 18:11 I need to anoint, I need you to pray. 18:13 No, no, you just asked-- For prayer. 18:16 Asked them, is everybody here a Christian? 18:19 That's what I asked them. Amen. 18:21 And my husband-- I say, is everybody? 18:23 And he said yes and the lead surgeon said yes. 18:26 And I said-- Then I said get my husband 18:28 'cause I'm not going to do anything 18:29 without my husband there. 18:31 And I might have said please, please don't take my leg. 18:35 He says, why am I gonna take you leg? 18:37 I said, will you be all right? He said, why? 18:39 I have too many shoes. 18:40 That's all I was thinking about. 18:44 I got one terrible story. You're terrible. 18:46 And Arthur says, well, just put that woman to sleep. 18:49 I heard him say that. 18:51 When I woke up, I said, do I still have my leg? 18:53 He says, woman, look down, look down. 18:56 So amazing. Amen. 18:58 So I know what it is to step boldly 19:00 before the throne of grace and ask that question. 19:02 My only concern about that whole situation 19:04 was they gave you one of those things 19:08 where you press the button if you got pain. 19:10 For morphine. I was mother morphine. 19:13 And he said, take that from her, 19:15 she's gonna get addicted. 19:16 I say, when they took it, I'm saying, no! 19:19 You know, but I learned to-- They weaned me off it. 19:22 That's good. Yes, because they gave me pills. 19:24 And I can't swallow pills. 19:26 And when I was a little girl, 19:27 I choked on an M&M and I went through therapy. 19:30 Okay. But anyway that's another story. 19:32 Can we move on? Right, you know. 19:34 But, you know, that is something. 19:36 So when you woke up out of surgery for 1 hour, 19:39 what did you say to yourself, when you woke up? 19:41 When you woke, you know, in recovery. 19:45 I don't know, I just laid there in, kind of, 19:49 in disbelief and just in awe. 19:55 But you now have a different outlook on life. 19:59 You don't look at life in dollars and cents anymore. 20:02 You don't look at life as far as 20:04 what I'm gonna become. 20:06 You look at life as this is what life is, 20:10 God put us here for a purpose. Now I'm gonna do it. 20:13 It's not about the wealth and the riches, 20:16 prosperity in that sense. 20:18 It's more of fulfilling the purpose. 20:21 And knowing that God gave me a purpose is just like, 20:25 okay, now how do I begin this again, is the question. 20:29 But loved ones came, young people prayed 20:33 and countless couldn't get inside because the police 20:36 wouldn't let them know that I was there at the hospital. 20:39 They didn't know what kind of retaliation was gonna 20:41 come about. 20:42 But the young people were, I was told that they met 20:46 at the church. 20:47 I don't know how many, they say droves of them 20:49 and they prayed for me and I thank them for that. 20:54 And to this day it still, it still -- me though. 21:00 This didn't happen too long ago, January 6, 2012. 21:04 I'll never forget it. 21:08 I know that I had to continue to tell the story. 21:11 You have to. 21:12 To let them know that God is a healer, 21:14 that He is still in the miracle business 21:16 and if you trust Him and never doubt, 21:19 He'll always bring you out. Lord have mercy. 21:21 I know when we-- When our nephew-- 21:24 We stopped by his home in Columbus and said, listen, 21:26 we need stories for our new program 21:29 that we are doing on television. 21:31 But we want riveting stories. 21:34 Our producers, they said stories 21:36 that's going to change lives. 21:39 And so when I got back home, he emailed me. 21:41 Says I have a friend. You need to hear his story. 21:46 And then he said you can find him 21:47 on the social network. 21:48 Yes. And I sought you out. 21:50 Yes, you did. Yes, I did. 21:52 And you responded in love and we exchanged phone numbers 21:57 and we have been texting and I thank God 22:01 for your obedience and your willingness, 22:03 your beautiful wife and her being by your side. 22:07 Yes. And then let me ask you, you know, physical therapy, 22:11 you know, where are you with your physical therapy? 22:13 Are you in physical therapy? 22:14 I'm done with physical therapy. 22:17 They-- I was into physical therapy for about 2 months 22:19 and I did not just physical therapy 22:22 but occupational therapy, sight therapy 22:25 and speech and I had to work on 22:28 memory retention and comprehension. 22:32 Things were processed a little slower but this is 22:35 what I want to let you all know 22:37 is that the Word of God is real. 22:39 Because I couldn't read a letter 22:41 without having to put a piece of paper 22:44 over a sentence and I had to read it slow. 22:46 But when it came to the Word of God, it just flowed. 22:49 And I could read it without problems. 22:52 So that let you know that the word of God is 22:53 spiritual, it's not just words on a piece of paper. 22:56 Whereas a letter, I had to read it over and over again. 22:59 I had to remember the sentence structure 23:00 before to understand what the next sentence 23:03 was saying but with the Word of God, 23:05 it was imparted. 23:06 And if you can understand it, it flows through you. 23:09 So right now you don't have any shrapnel 23:12 or anything in your head? 23:14 No, I don't have anything in my head. 23:17 All I do is suffer from headaches and dizzy spells. 23:20 I had a real bad episode this morning but we pressed on. 23:26 And I will not let the devil get to steal my joy, 23:30 I won't let him get the victory. 23:31 What's the-- Did the bullet enter the brain at all? 23:36 The bullet hit the skull, the skull was pushed 23:39 into the brain and it cut the outer membrane 23:42 and they had to put a synthetic mesh over it 23:45 and then close my head back up. 23:47 So that it will heal. 23:49 So I'm in the healing process as we speak. 23:52 So, and she's a part of the healing process. 23:54 Oh, yes. 23:56 At first had to help me in and out the shower, 23:59 had to help me get dressed and it's been a process 24:03 but she didn't complain and she just continued to fight 24:07 and she would still move forward in her own ministry. 24:10 You know, she Christian raps so... 24:12 Christian rap? Yeah. 24:13 Are you serious? Let's see a little bit. 24:16 Talking about fulfilling our purpose in life 24:20 because of this happening, it really helped me 24:22 to push forward with my CD. 24:26 And my album, it's called Heavenly. 24:28 It's an inspirational hip hop CD. 24:30 Yeah. It's amazing. Well, let's hear a little bit. 24:33 We got some time, just give us a little bit. 24:36 Give us a little bit of that. 24:37 All right, I'll give you a little bit. 24:39 Living the life of a wife while even having a kid 24:42 This is your time to step up no matter what you did 24:45 It's all in the past, so let go and just live 24:48 You know God forgives 24:49 Condemnation is a guilty conscience 24:51 If it's not love, it's lust 24:53 Flat chest heavy bust 24:55 In love or a crush I must say It's all complicated 24:58 Many words formed and then Stated I'll take it off 25:00 The hook and I'll beat it 25:01 Wow. Amen. 25:04 Oh, first lady. That is amazing. 25:09 Yeah. Yeah, that's great. 25:10 Well, listen, you let us know 25:12 when the CD, you know, listening-- 25:14 The coming out party. Yes. 25:16 It's-- Yes. 25:17 Well, this is what it-- This is the Heavenly CD. 25:19 Look at it. It's actually out on iTunes. 25:23 Is it? Yes. That's beautiful. 25:25 Thank you. It's beautiful. 25:26 We're gonna be praying for you. 25:28 You know, I want to say that in the forgiveness process, 25:32 when you, you know, look at the Word of God, 25:35 who do you relate to in the Word of God? 25:37 What particular person in this-- 25:40 in your own story? 25:41 Well, there's countless people that you can do 25:43 and I liked yours and-- 25:48 But there's countless places in the Bible where you-- 25:52 You can even go to Ruth and Naomi. 25:55 You can go to, I mean, Abigail and Nabal. 25:59 You can go with Esther. 26:01 You can go with David and Goliath. 26:03 Oh, yeah. You know. 26:05 There's so many countless stories about forgiveness 26:09 and one of the scriptures that resonates to me 26:12 the most is 1 John 3:16, 26:14 "Hereby perceive we the love of God, 26:17 that he laid down his life for us, 26:18 we ought to lay down our lives for the brotherhood." 26:20 So in that you can't expect God to forgive you 26:24 if you can't forgive your brother. 26:26 So we have to forgive. 26:28 We have to love, because if you don't forgive, 26:30 it will just grow inside of you and just eat you up. 26:32 Well, I know that the family of this young man must have 26:37 a tremendous amount of respect for you. 26:40 Up to the point where you offered to help this 26:43 young man in spite of what transpired. 26:47 A lot of people would have extreme difficulty releasing 26:51 that, you know, and saying that okay, 26:53 I'm going to forgive you and even more so, 26:57 I'm willing to be a mentor to you. 26:59 You know, so you need to be commended many, 27:03 many times over. 27:04 To God be the glory. Absolutely. 27:06 And He's gonna use you. Oh, He's already using you. 27:09 He has something even more for you to do. 27:12 I receive that. 27:13 So, you know, you just continue, 27:15 you and your wife continue to reach out to these 27:18 young people because right now we are truly in a crisis. 27:21 Yes. And they need strong men and women. 27:24 That's willing to go the whole gamut 27:27 due to reach out to them unconditional. 27:30 Yes. 27:32 Well, if you have a need, you have youth ministry, 27:37 something going on in your life. 27:39 Let me tell you something, you can forgive 27:42 and you can move forward. 27:44 Well, we're just excited. 27:46 We're out of time, Arthur, but I want to thank 27:49 Pastor Marshon firstly, Heavenly Joy Peoples. 27:54 Heavenly Peoples. For being with us. 27:56 Amen. We love you. 27:58 And it's been a joy. Well, Arthur, I love you. 28:02 And we love you. Love you too, Kim. 28:04 I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin. I'm Arthur Nowlin. 28:07 Continue to be faithful through forgiving others. 28:10 God bless. God bless. |
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