Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan
Nowlin. I'm Arthur Nowlin.
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And welcome to "making it work."
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Today on our program we're here
to talk about taking charge.
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We have Kip Fowlor
with us, Kip Fowlor,
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he is known to
many people as Skip.
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But we want to
welcome him to making it work.
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God bless you. God bless you.
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Thank you for having me.
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Well, listen we just
gonna get right to it.
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Tell us your testimony.
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And, you know, we have
some time to just talk about
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all and who you are
and how God has raised you.
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Well, from the
beginning I'm a person
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that never had a childhood.
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I was always put in charge
to take care of my siblings,
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my brothers and sisters.
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How many siblings?
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It's five all
together including me.
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All right, are
you the eldest child?
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I'm the oldest. Okay.
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And so we were-- excuse me.
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We were with my grandmother
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and basically you
know she raised us.
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My mother was young
when she had me and we just--
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I'd say I had a situation
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where to live
with my grandmother
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and I took care of
my brothers and sisters,
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practically all their lives
so I never had a childhood.
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So you took charge
even as a child. Yes.
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Taking care of your
younger siblings. Okay.
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Right, from there basically,
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you know, I was real
attached to my grandmother.
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I'm not saying, you know,
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I was her favorite
but I believe I was.
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Okay.
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And so when my grandmother
passed, I start to fall off
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and didn't care about myself,
didn't care about anything.
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I choose, you
know, start selling drugs
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and just doing
things that I know
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that wasn't of
God or anything like.
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My grandmother always
raised us to be in church.
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Okay.
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And so I just
thought like I needed
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to get away
have time for myself.
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But even while I was
doing those things I would,
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you know, I don't how to say it
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but I would pray
to God to be with me
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as I was going out
to make drug sales.
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How old were you then?
I was 22 at a time. Okay.
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And you know from
there basically it's just--
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it's a long story
I'll try to sum it up.
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I end up getting caught
and doing some jail time.
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And that's when
God got a hold of me
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and say nothing Lord if you--
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if you just get
me out the situation,
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I promise I won't do this again.
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So you were 22, you got arrested
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and you were placed in jail?
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Yes. And how
long were you in jail?
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I might be there for 2 years.
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Okay, you know which
is now real long time.
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Well, basically I was
supposed to get 20 years,
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I knew God was in my life.
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The judge--
there was a chief judge
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at the time Judge Robinson,
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bless his soul I don't know
if he is still living or not.
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But I guess it was a stipulation
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where they tried to catch me
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with a certain amount
and it was done in properly.
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And so they wanted
to give me 20 years.
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But because of the stipulation
the things that happened
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he didn't want them concurring.
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So you know he-- I
told him, you know,
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I had a drug problem and
you know I needed helping
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and you know he believed in me
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and statute of limitations
came down only 2 years from 20.
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Okay that was outstanding.
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So God was really working
in your favor right there.
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Oh, yeah. Definitely.
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So tell me about your siblings.
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What, you know, after your
grandmother died, you know,
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I mean you were like
the rock of the family.
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What happened after that?
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Well, basically
it's something that--
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I'll try to sum it up for you.
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Because I'm the
rock of the family
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and excuse me I'm
getting over cold.
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But because I'm
the rock of the family,
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I still to this day has looked
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as my brothers and sisters' dad.
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The things I've done I
regret because my drug use
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and my drug
sales when I got lock,
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when I got locked up
passed on to my brothers.
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And my one brother is
still fighting with that now,
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and I feel like
that personally my fault.
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And sometimes we all
believe my mom kind a blames me
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a little bit for
that but I had to sit--
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me and my mother
are really close now.
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I know my mother had situations
where she is a single ma
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and she didn't have the finances
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or things to take care of
us but I'm real close to her
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and I was able
to sit and tell her
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that, you know, I
have to be me now.
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I can't take care of my grown--
my grown brothers and sisters
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anymore, you know
I'll take care of you.
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So from there, you know,
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it's just things got a
little bit better for me
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and I end up coming out of jail.
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Excuse me.
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And I said, well, I
can't do this anymore.
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I can't sell no drugs,
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I promised God if
you get me out of this
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that I would take
charge and make it better.
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So actually when I got out,
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my Aunt Carla
had found some money,
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it was about $
5,000 that I had put up.
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And it was hidden somewhere
and I forgot where it was.
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But when I got out, you know,
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she told me she
said I kept this for you.
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And so that was a start.
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So I said you know what do I do,
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you know the devil
is gonna mess with me.
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Take this $5,000 and go back.
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And then God was talking.
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And I know we don't
talk to God in audible voice
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but I heard in plain
words "you promised me,
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you won't do that again.
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Find something else
to do with the money."
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So I end up getting
a place to start over,
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but I haven't had anything.
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But I promised God I
wouldn't go back into that.
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So I started at the
bottom, I got on the phone
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and I found a place that needed
a telemarketer, and so I said,
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wow, me making thousands
and thousands of dollars.
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And now I'm
gonna sit on the phone
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and make, you know, $5 an hour.
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That was a major
transition, you know,
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because most of the guys
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that I deal with they
come out of the penitentiary.
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One of the things that
they really have difficulty
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accepting it's the fact
that they made so much money
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in that short period of time
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and now they don't
have a lot of skills
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that will award
them the opportunity
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to make the type of
money that they were used to.
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And you nailed it on the head.
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And-- that's exactly how was I,
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wow, how I'm gonna
survive with a, you know,
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$120 dollars a
week versus you know
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$10,000 dollars
a week literally,
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but I was able
to sleep at night.
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And I didn't have
to have my gun with me
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and I didn't
have to ask every time
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somebody knocking
the door, who is this?
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And so I was okay
but God worked it out
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because as I was
telemarketing I was--
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the owners of the company
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that I was working for was
a heating and cooling company.
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They would come back
and tell me--excuse me.
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They would come
back and tell me,
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say, you know, every person
you talk to on their phone,
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we made a sale to
because they like you
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and how you speak to
them, how you treat them.
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You know why don't
we put you in a uniform
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and give you a truck
and put you out of here.
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I said "I don't know nothing
about heating and cooling,
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I don't have any idea,
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we have to go to
school for many months.
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And they said no
we will teach you.
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So you know I got--
I got a start that way,
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and went from $120
a week to $500 a week.
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And so I was okay with that.
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It still wasn't enough to me.
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Like I said I
still take care of--
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I was still at that time
taking care of my siblings.
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But, and you also being
trained in heating and cooling?
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Yeah, didn't have any idea.
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Didn't know what
was to come of it.
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All I knew was the
drug life and the fast life
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and I was at a smooth even
pace and that wasn't me I'm--
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just I don't know
how to get used to it.
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But I said that
still wasn't enough,
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I'd say God I promised
you, I wouldn't go back
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but this is not the
type of money I need.
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You know I have
goals, I have expectations.
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I don't want to be in
a one bedroom apartment.
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I know you made
me to take charge
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and to be in charge so
that's what I want to do.
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So I worked for, you
know, 4 years with that company
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and so I decided
to step-on on my own.
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Really? You
started your own business.
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Started my own
business. My pa-- excuse me.
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My pastor at the
time said, ''You know,
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you do your own thing and
if you gonna do your own thing
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then name it after something
that you believe that you are.
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So what are you?
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I said, well, I'm good
now and I like to help people.
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So it says good helpers right,
good helpers, so that works.
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And that's how the name came
and that was over 15 years ago.
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Wow. You still
have your company?
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Not only do I
have a company now,
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we have excelled to a
labor force of over a 160 guys.
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They work for you?
Yes, on the labor side.
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And also on the
heating and cooling side
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we have 20 trucks on the road.
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And I still say,
Lord, keep me humble,
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and it feels good
to be in charge again
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without worrying
about your bagging,
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worrying about
who gonna kill you,
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take you out of here
because you are on their turf.
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I took the things
that I learned back
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during those days
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and try and make a
positive change to now.
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And that's why I am
able to hopefully turn
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someone's life around
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who have a
similar life like I had.
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So when I see those
trucks out there Good Helper,
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that's you.
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That's me. Nice. And it's now--
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I like that. I'm happy about it.
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I know it was of
God that it came to be.
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Now what about, you
know, your personal life,
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you know, married--
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Have you ever
been married? Children?
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You know what about
that? I may have one son.
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I don't see him, I haven't
seen him since he was two.
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Mixed relationships she was--
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she's Caucasian her father was
like, no, I'm not having that.
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And back I was selling,
you know, drugs at the time
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so he hired some high price
lawyer to dig in my background
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and to keep me away from my son.
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I'm quite sure
I'll see him again.
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As far as being
married, I was married before.
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It didn't work out, it
was an arranged marriage.
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I didn't know my wife.
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I was told that
that was my wife.
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If God's not in it
then it's not gonna prosper.
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It will not
prosper, it will not.
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Right so that--
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that relationship
lasted about 6 months
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because I'd get a divorce, I
was kicked out of the church.
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Really?
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Yes, so I have had a
lot of church hurt, but--
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One second on that, you
were kicked out of the church,
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meaning that were you an
officer in the church during--
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Or you just fellowship?
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No, it basically
in the apostolic faith
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there is no divorce.
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And so I went
against the beliefs.
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Your beliefs. I
see. And so I was--
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I don't know if you
call it kicked out or about--
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Disfellowshipped.
Disfellowshipped. Yeah.
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You know, now with
owning your business,
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but you returned to
the church, you know,
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since that time and you've
been very busy in God's church.
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Yeah, kind of-- after
the divorce I was hurt,
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I left the church again.
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And you know I was still here,
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I was still here and
God said, you know just--
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you promised me that
you wouldn't go back.
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And I kind of disliked the
things that happened to me.
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That's how you know I
bounced around a lot of places
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and fortunately well, because
I do heating and cooling,
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I was always doing
my work at churches.
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So I was able to get
in and see what you know,
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I did like this
church or I didn't.
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but I found my way back.
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So you again, was
again taking charge
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of your life spiritually.
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Yes.
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How important
is God in your life
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and Him taking
charge of your life?
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How important is that to you?
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It's very important
because God is a great guy.
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Not good but great.
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And the reason is
because all that time
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when I was out there in
the streets and praying,
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and all the
people that I had met
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through the years were just
as you know rams in the bush.
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They were already set for me
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and I didn't have to
sacrifice myself anymore,
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and I was able to
go in the resources--
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the resources is not money.
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You can have thousands
of dollars in your hand
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and walk outside
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and the
windstorm can blow it away.
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If you don't have the
resources to make that back,
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then what good is this money?
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So I start thinking differently
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and the more I put
God first and kept--
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keep him first with
tithes and offerings,
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blessing came down.
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Being good to my
pastor and my family.
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Taking care of my mom.
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All those things
that you hear is negative
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and the devil
master make you astray.
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You know God is
way more powerful.
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Have you-- how long
have you been clean of drugs?
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And have you ever relapsed?
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I have been clean of
drugs for over 12 years.
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And I have, I did
relapsed about 9 years ago
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for short period of time.
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And actually a person that
I was really good friends with
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didn't know anything
about me using drugs,
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didn't have a clue.
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I did it to
where you won't even--
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you know I didn't lose
weight, I didn't go around
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and beg for money
and but that person,
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actually I was
sitting down on my bed,
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I was getting
ready to do some cocaine.
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And the person that didn't
know anything about me doing it,
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called me on the
phone and said Kip,
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I don't know
how to tell you this
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but whatever
you're doing don't do it
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because I see God just
showed me your heart exploding.
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And that was it.
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She didn't know nothing
about my drug use or anything.
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Did she call you on the phone?
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She called me on
the phone and said
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whatever you're
doing don't do it.
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God just showed me your
heart exploding and to call you.
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And I was just
about to do some...
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So you didn't go do it again?
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No, I didn't do
anything that was the end of it.
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Let's talk about
your goals you know,
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what you've achieved so much,
you're helping so many people.
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You know you're serving God.
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You're returning
tithes and offerings
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and again when God blesses you,
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we are taught in the word of God
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in the Malachi Chapter 3,
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"Will a man rob God
of tithes and offerings."
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And we've to give 10%
or what we know God says,
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that's non-negotiable,
that is just non-negotiable.
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So we give that
back to the church
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and we support God's church
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through our
tithes and offerings.
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That's correct.
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So you believe in that principle
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and so let's talk
about the goals, you know,
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and what do you do to enjoy you?
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What do you do for fun?
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Well, basically that's
what I'm trying to learn.
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I've been sacrificing to
try to get to the next step
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and God has blessed me
with a major contract this year.
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You know I do want to give honor
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and thanks to my
pastor Leander Croft.
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He's a mentor in my
life. He's a young preacher.
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And he's been through
what I have been through.
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And he is a
beautiful man and his wife
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and his children and he--
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What's the name of your church?
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It was United Faith of Family.
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We now call City Praise
Church. City Praise Church.
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Where is it located?
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Located on green-- I'm sorry.
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Schoolcraft and
16101 Schoolcraft.
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In Detroit,
Michigan? Detroit, Michigan.
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Okay. All right. Dynamic past.
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And I was able to finally
find a home and be mentored
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and 'cause somebody reckoned
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this been which
you've been through
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and you see God
then brought them.
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You know this is
just a support for me.
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And this-- this
must be something
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that you have to latch on to
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because going back in your past,
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you didn't have that
mentor, and now you got somebody
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that you can relate to, I
mean you had your grandmother
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but when she left, you
know, there was a void.
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Yes, it was because basically,
you know, me and my father
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were best friends now
but that's all we can be.
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My father wasn't
allowed to see me,
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wasn't allowed
to be a part of mine
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because I was older,
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I never had a mentor to teach me
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right from wrong and I
had to learn my own way.
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But my positive
goals would be, you know,
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since that's for
keeping God first,
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being married, having a family
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and just living,
you know, a clean life.
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That's really
important to being married
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and having a family.
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Yeah, when you
establish yourself,
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it's not fun and not sharing.
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Want to share the blessing. Yes.
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You know, I've heard
that you have so much
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and you won't be able to share
with someone that you love.
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You said something interesting,
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I'm learning now
how to have fun to--
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you know, well, do you
bowl, you roller skate,
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play baseball, I
mean what do you do?
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I love fishing. But I
haven't been in a while.
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Okay. And I do like to bowl.
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You put worm on the
hook and everything.
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Everything. I love it.
Yes, that's really wonderful.
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Yeah, but you know, I'm
learning different things
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and to have fun because
now I put a lot of hard work in
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and now I'm able to
see my company successfully
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why wouldn't be
stepping back some.
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Well, you know-- may I
suggest that you at least
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give some attention
to this game called golf.
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This is a new phenomena, right?
I want to learn it so bad.
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Why you? Okay, can I ask why?
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Excuse me, I was talking.
Oh, it's a man thing now.
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I'm sorry.
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So we have to get
together at least go out
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to the driver
range, that's where--
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I would love you to teach me,
that a lot of your best people
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and your best deals
is on that golf course.
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We gonna work that out. Yes.
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Are we taking
charge here? Taking charge.
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We have to take charge.
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Okay, you know, you
know what I've decided to do?
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I'm taking up
golf next year. Okay.
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Yes, I can go
out with him. What?
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Are you doing that to learn golf
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and be with your
husband on the field
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or just to see what
people do on the golf course?
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No, I really want to be able
to be with him because I'm--
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We're always together,
when he is on the golf course
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I can't be with
him, so I figure it why--
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Praise the Lord.
It's a man by man rule.
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No, woman play
golf, where are you? No.
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So I have decided to take
lessons with our daughter.
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Our daughter has been
taking lessons for some time,
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she is very good.
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He's outstanding at a
hole and won this year.
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Oh, wow, that's great.
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And so I'm going out,
get my outfits all ready,
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I'm getting ready to go. Okay.
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I can see it, all
right. Now big fellows--
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You know, the only
problem with that is that--
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What is it? Our
schedules won't allow it.
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You know, she has to
be where she has to be
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and I need to be
where I need to be.
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I'm gonna switch
my days so that I'm--
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His golf day is Wednesday,
I'm gonna switch my days.
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Oh, you already
got a plan. Okay.
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You know, and
then I'm gonna start,
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they go on these golf trips.
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Some of the guys
take their wives.
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Oh, no. What? No, nothing.
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I can't go to golf with you?
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No, you can't even learn golf.
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But I would love
for you to teach me.
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Yeah. But we
don't make it happen.
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I must take to
skating and tennis.
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And I also want to, you know,
tell our viewers that I have--
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blessed to know both of you.
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The things you have taught
me change my view of thinking
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specially I think about
what I was thinking about women
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that left me hurt, and
you guys are incredible.
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Oh, Praise God. Thank you.
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Appreciate that. I
want to let you know that.
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Mr. Fowlor, I
appreciate that. Okay.
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I take-- Did he pay
you to say that? No.
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No.
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I think where it really boils
down to is a lot of times like,
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let's go back to
the mentoring thing.
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A lot of times we may
have people in our lives
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that know how to
share information with you,
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to encourage
you, to motivate you,
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and to point out things.
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Yes.
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Sometimes we can't
hear it from somebody
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that's right around us.
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Sometimes we need to hear
it from a different source.
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Right.
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And what I think Kim
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and I have been doing
in being in your presence
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and you sharing
information with us
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and we sharing information
with you is to allow you
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opportunity to thrive
and make good decisions.
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Even though you make
good business decisions,
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sometimes when it comes to our
personal life, we get clouded.
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Yes. You know, and so--
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And one of the reasons is
that we allow our emotions
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to take over and prevent
us from making good decision.
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That's true.
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You know, so we
just want to be a vessel
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and I think that's what
the Lord has allowed us to do
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with you is to be a vessel.
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And he has and I appreciate it.
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You attended our
Family Life Retreat.
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Excuse me.
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In the Wilderness in
Cassopolis, Michigan.
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Yeah, no TV, no--
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No TV, no WiFi and you
enjoyed the vegetarian meals.
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I enjoyed everything.
You enjoyed everything.
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The best sleep I
had in the while.
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The best sleep
you had in the while.
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So you know--
let me ask you this.
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Why are you in a situation
where you say yourself,
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all right, I made some
decisions about certain women.
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How are you able to remain
celibate in this day and time
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'cause it's just
so many temptations.
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What's keeping
you focused on God?
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Well, basically
for one I'm too busy,
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I'm not saying I don't
think you know about things
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but I know that the
best thing to do right now
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is a man who find a
wife find good things.
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So-- Can you say that again?
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A man who find a wife
finds the good things.
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I'm blessed. You are blessed.
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You got a good lady. So
about practice celibacy...
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I'm going to go
golfing with you.
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I'm trying to-- I
want to say that it's hard
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but it's the right
thing, it's what I have to do
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if I want to
attract the right woman.
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Everybody who--
it's easy to mess up,
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it's easy to go out
and-- that's what the world is,
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I mean it's all
about sex, money, drugs
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but people who don't know
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that there's a
great big guy out here
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that is more powerful than that.
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And if you can show him,
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and put him first
there, celibacy is easy.
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Celibacy is easy. Okay.
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But if you don't put God first,
then it's so easy to mess up.
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That's excellent.
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You know and I believe now
that you know because in us
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meeting and sharing information
over a period of time,
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I can feel your faith has
gotten even stronger. Yes.
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And I know that you
appear and you are more sincere
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about your relationships
with the Lord than before.
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Definitely, and
like I said again
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meeting both of you,
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I must say where I was,
slipping back on course again.
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Well, that's great you know.
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Well, what can
you say in closing?
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Well, the only
thing I can really say is
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basically if you're living
a lifestyle that I've lived,
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God can bring you
out of that situation.
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Even set of people,
I don't know if this
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is viewed in prisons or
not but if it is or if not,
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if you just get out start small
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and don't let the temptations
take you away from that
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'cause God will be--
and the patience of God,
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you know, we can't question.
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We always want
things fast and in a hurry
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but I tell you the slow pace
and then at the end of the road
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is more greater
than what happen to you.
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Amen. Well, I
thank God for that.
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Well again, we want to thank
Mr. Fowlor for being with us.
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I'm Dr. Kim Logan
Nowlin. I'm Arthur Nowlin.
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Take charge. God bless.
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