Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan Nowlin.
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I'm Arthur Nowlin.
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Welcome to "Making it work."
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When you think about
situations in your life
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and how you can
go through something
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and come out of it.
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People say "well, I know it
was the goodness of the Lord."
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But when God is not
a part of the equation,
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sometimes you can't say that.
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Well, today we
have Mrs. Rashawn Butts.
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And her whole
aspects of her life
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and what she's been through?
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She is here to
tell her testimony.
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Welcome, Mrs.
Butts, how are you?
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Okay. Ah, relax.
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Look, at you, you look
so nice. God bless you.
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God bless you too. Thank you.
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Well, listen my husband and I
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want to talk
about no looking back.
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When I look at you and
I see you're so beautiful
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and articulate and intelligent,
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you have your degree
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and when I heard your story
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about once you were
on the streets homeless,
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a drug addict.
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Its hard to believe
but, all the God has done,
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we want you to tell our viewers
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how God has brought you through
and why you don't look back?
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Well, I like to just thank God
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because he's been so good to me.
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Yes.
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Ah, I was um, on drugs
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because I was had
a low self esteem.
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Um, lack of confidence
and it led me to smoke drugs.
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Hmm-hmm.
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Um, I didn't like my weight
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and that
reflected on me using drugs.
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I was smoking cocaine,
I was smoking Marijuana,
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I was drinking alcohol
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and all of those things led me
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to a downfall in my life.
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I couldn't believe how
good God has been to me.
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I--I used to when my
Mother passed away, um, at 18.
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Hmm. Ah, she..
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When you were 18.
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When I-- when she--
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when I was--on the 18th of July
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and I was homeless on the 30th.
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I was living in the streets
of Romulus, in drug houses
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and I used to lay the clothes
out for my son and lay in it.
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One Sunday, the sun was
beaming through the window
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and I-- and you
know I got to a point
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that I was just so tired.
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And before my mother died
she said you need to pray.
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So I began to start
praying, but still using drugs.
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So I began to walk
out, going to the shelter.
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Got to the shelter and you
can't walk in off the street.
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So it was me and my kids,
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we were sitting out on the curb.
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A young man picked us up and--
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at that point I
just like, I am so tired,
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but you know God had
someone there to pick me up,
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drop me off at a friend's house.
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Oh, no you can't stay here.
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I wind up
staying with my sister.
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But in the
process of all me going--
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well, me going through on drugs,
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God was taking me
from level to level.
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He began to--
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He blessed me to
get into a shelter.
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I got kicked out of a shelter.
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Why did they
kicked out of the shelter?
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Because some young
ladies wanted to fight me,
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and I was a fighter.
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Okay.
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So I got kicked right
back out of the shelter,
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went to stay with my girlfriend.
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The Lord say I
was laid on her floor
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and the Lord says
call your apartment people,
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and the Lord bless me.
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It was like Miss
Butts, Miss Butts,
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we were looking for you.
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Your apartment is ready
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and so the Lord blessed me
to move in the city of Taylor,
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and I was just so
honored and thankful.
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But He took me
from level to level,
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from this apartment to
this apartment to a house.
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My Lord.
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And now I'm
married. I have 3 children.
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Excellent.
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And I just thank God
because I never been to a rehab.
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I don't even know
what-- they do in a rehab?
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It's like the Lord just
took me from level to level.
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My rehab was going to church.
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That was your
rehab, that saved you?
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Yes. They cleaned you.
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But before the
Lord delivered me,
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I would go to church
and come home and smoke rag.
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So-- so let me say this,
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even when you're in
a mist of a situation,
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in a situation of sin,
God looks upon the heart,
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man looks upon the
outward appearance.
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But God looks at your struggles,
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He knows the motive,
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He knows what you're thinking,
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He knows your struggles
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and God weighs
us in the balance.
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God saw that
you're crying out to Him
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but you were still
using the drugs but you yet,
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you were still
crying out to Him.
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Yes.
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You said that you now,
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that you're married
you have three children.
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Yes.
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One of the things that
I was thinking about was,
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how is the relationship
with you and your children?
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They've seen
what you gone through,
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as a matter of
fact you even took them
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through some of that stuff.
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Yes.
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So now where's your
relationship with them now?
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My relationship
is excellent. I pray.
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I remember when I
was on crack I said Lord,
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deliver me because I do
not want my kids to get grown
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and to move out and
they call me and say
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"Mom, you mess my life up."
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And I'm just so thankful
that the lord delivered me
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and they seen a different
mom, a mom that's drug free.
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God delivered
me from everything.
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All those drugs that I was using
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and I'm just so grateful
that God can deliver you,
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God will deliver you.
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But you know
what I had to ask Him,
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and I had to trust Him,
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and I had to
believe that He can.
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I didn't even know that
God was going to deliver me.
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I didn't even know that.
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I-- and I was like wow,
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when I look back
over my life I say,
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wow, it was
nothing but the Lord.
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Nothing but the Lord.
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Nothing but the grace of
God to come into my life,
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He filled me with the Holy Sprit
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and the Holy Sprit
guides me, it leads me,
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it keeps me
through the midnight hour.
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And I just, want
to just say thank You,
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I'm just so grateful.
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I feel your sprit.
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You're so in love
with Jesus Christ.
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You know your mother,
your father where are they now?
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Where have they and what role
have they played in your life
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through this no looking back
as you've taken this journey?
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My Mother is passed away.
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Did she see you delivered? No.
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She didn't get chance
to see you off the drugs?
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No, but the last
thing she told me was pray.
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Pray. Quit ecstasy and pray.
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Yes.
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My dad, he is in the
City of Highland park
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and I see him and
he's just awesome.
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He just-- he's so happy for
me, my children and is like wow.
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And him seeing my
life is helping him
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in his life with his addiction.
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Yes, Highland
Park is another area,
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that's outside of Detroit,
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you know not too far
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and the same
thing Romulus, Michigan.
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You know when you hear
us talk about Highland Park
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or Romulus or different areas,
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but they are all close
near together within Detroit.
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So basically your
dad is involved into--
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he's still addicted?
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Yes, he struggles.
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Your father is still on drugs?
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He's alcohol.
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Alcoholic.
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And he still struggles.
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But he see what the great work
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that God is
doing in his daughter.
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But I'm so excited.
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You should be.
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I'm not looking
for no one. Right.
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To be sighted for me because
I'm sighted what God is doing.
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We can see that.
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When you were
sitting on that curb
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in front of that shelter
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did you consider that
to be like your bottom?
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Like that was
the last drop. Yes.
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Last stop for you.
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Yes. It was like I give up.
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I was giving up,
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but as I began to give up,
God was there to pick me up.
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Turning you around,
plant you on solid ground.
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Yes, He did. Yes.
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So now you know
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what are the some of the
goals you have for yourself?
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What do you want for you?
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Well, my goal I have--
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the Lord has gave me a
great vision to help women
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and that program is
called "No Looking Back."
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We're-- we open up a
facility in the City of Wayne.
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We're going to help
women that's on drugs, alcohol.
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Giving back. Mental health.
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Excellent.
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And at this point
there's-- you don't have any--
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any women in your
facility at this point?
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Not at this point. Okay, so.
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But now we're in a
process of writing a grant,
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and once that is
completed we'll be open up.
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Oh, Let me ask you,
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how long have you been
in this sobriety, how long?
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Nine years.
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Nine years. Excellent.
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Praise God. Nine years.
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No urges or anything to you go--
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God just took them
off. I'm delivered.
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Yeah.
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When God deliver
you, you don't look back.
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You don't? Oh...
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You stay looking forward.
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Just keep your
eyes on Christ. Yes.
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You know, I press toward
the mark of the high calling
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which is Jesus Christ
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and therefore we know
that the reward is with Him.
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Yes.
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Now, let's just
talk, you've been married,
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how long have
you been married now?
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I've been married for six years.
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Six years. Yes.
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And-- you and your husband
both attend the same church?
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Yes.
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And you serve
in the same church?
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Yes, we do.
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Is there where you met him?
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No. We met like
over 20 years ago.
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Okay.
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Found you way
back to each other.
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All right, so do you
enjoy serving and working
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with God's
church and God's people?
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And what are
some of the challenges
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that you face
working in the church?
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You found-- look,
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we all have challenges
working in the church.
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Well, challenges.
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You face
challenges in the church.
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But you know what I learned?
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That I don't focus
on those challenges.
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All right. I focus
on serving the Lord.
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Yes.
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And I overlook those challenges.
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And I continue to pray.
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I believe the
foundation that I have,
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praying and fasting weekly
has helped my foundation in God
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that I cannot be shaking.
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All right, because some things
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don't come without
prayer and fasting.
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And that's what lot of
people don't understand
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and those who don't understand,
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fasting is
something that you set aside,
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a time for you and
God to grow together.
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To meditate in your
word through the Word of God
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as you grow to be able
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to have that
connection and bond with Christ.
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So you need to pray,
study your word and fast.
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In your relationship
with your husband now you--
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you said that you known him
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for the past 20 years, you know.
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Was he, someone
that you engage with
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when you were
using did he use drugs?
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Yes. Okay.
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Yes.
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So that was major for him.
How long has he, he been clean?
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He's been clean
for the last 10 years.
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All right. Yes.
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All right. Yes.
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So-- was he like also
motivate for you to stay clean?
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Yes. Excellent.
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Reading the scriptures.
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He was very inspiring to
me, with the Word of God.
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And I just--
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I'm just honored to have
that support from my husband.
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It made me wanted to
get take my life together.
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Yes.
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For my children. Yes.
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Someone else-- people that
you get away from your past,
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have they seen you in
the new light, the new you?
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What do they say
when they see you?
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Oh, they just-- they
just look at me like wow
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and I just give
it all back to Jesus.
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All right. It was Jesus.
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So you give God all the glory?
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It wasn't me. It was the Lord.
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I couldn't do
it, I couldn't have
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the none of that
without the Lord.
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The head of my life.
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You're so humble
in your praise to Him,
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you know He loves our praises.
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Bible says He
inhabits those who praise Him.
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And we tend not
to recognize that
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to God be the glory
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for the great
things He has done.
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And the Bible says seek ye first
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the kingdom of God
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and all things
should be added unto it.
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Now His righteousness and
all things should be added.
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But individuals tend
to say in the AA programs
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in A programs that
I seek a higher power.
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What is the first
one in the AA and NA?
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Well, I can't say
it-- I can't do this--
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Powerless over alcohol and drugs
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and my life has
become unmanageable.
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But you didn't--
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did you attend AA or NA program?
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She didn't attend any of them.
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No rehab. At all.
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She says she
didn't-- My NA was Jesus.
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Couldn't even tell
what you it were consist of.
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I used to go to
church every Sunday, all day.
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I went to prayer
service on Monday.
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I went to Bible
study on Wednesday.
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I went the 5 am
prayer on Saturday morning
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and I did that every week.
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That was your routine.
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Every week and it say
faith come by hearing,
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hearing by the Word of God.
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And as you hear that word
it begins only inside of you
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and the
foundation that it brings,
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and I just thank God for that.
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Could nobody have
done that but the Lord.
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So I know my AA was Jesus. Wow.
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And so in the
process of all of that,
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the weekly Bible
studies and prayer meetings
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and early service you were being
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indoctrinated into
the word and believe in
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and yet opened yourself up
to say that I need a change.
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And that, you know you
were crying out to the Lord
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to ask Him to change the
old you into the new you.
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Yes.
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And God answered your prayers.
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He heard your
prayer. Yes, He did.
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The Bible says we have
not, because we ask not.
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He pulled me out of
that well and I felt it.
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I felt Him me pulling me out.
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It was like I held my
hand up and I was like help.
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And He did and I believe
that when you seek after Him
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you will be paid.
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You know I-- I
pray every morning.
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It's like I discipline
my body to get up and pray
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because He says seek Me
early while may He have be found
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and I said that
has helped me also.
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So pray have a prayer life,
fasting that it's just awesome.
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Where's your
self-esteem in all of this?
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I look at you, you're beautiful,
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you know woman of God, you know,
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and we have talked many times
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and I love the way when we're
quoting scriptures together,
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we can finish each
others scriptures, I love that.
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I say oh, I love a
person who is in their word.
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But your
self-esteem you know as far as
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where you're in your life now
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you've earned
your associate degree.
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Yes.
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And you praise God and
so where is your self-esteem
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and how do you see yourself
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helping woman
with low self-esteem?
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You know what's
gonna be the tools
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that you're going
to share with them?
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You know because we hear
different things, you know,
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you need to feel
good about yourself
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and you need to
make sure you stay on
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and focus on
your treatment plan,
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six term, short
term, long term goals.
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But what you going
to do different to say
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my program
offers something unique
00:17:14.73\00:17:16.78
to help you out there today.
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Well, I see myself
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helping the ladies
that want help, first.
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We have a variety of
programs that set in a place.
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We're gonna have
a fitness center.
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We're gonna have
delicious meals prepared
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and we're gonna
have staff with skills.
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To come in to do groups.
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I want to give
to the young ladies
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that they never had love.
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I want to give them love.
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I want to give them--
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show them
compassion that they can do it,
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they will do it.
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We have therapy,
different types of therapy
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that we're gonna offer.
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We have so many things
that we have set in place.
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I have the people
that with the skills
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and the degrees to
help me, to assist me.
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It's-- it's so big
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this facility is
a 300 bed facility.
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Wow.
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In this a lot of work,
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but God is good,
God gonna do the work.
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He's gonna do it.
He's gonna bless us.
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Yeah.
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Your faith,
your faith is amazing
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and I see that your self-esteem
is at a very high level,
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how you feel about yourself.
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I see motivation.
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I see the
motivation for you is that
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through your
relationship with God
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that you feel that you can
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overpower
anything that you face.
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Yes.
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And that's
something that people who are
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going through problems,
substance abuse problems,
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the mental health
problems where they maybe,
00:19:06.09\00:19:08.73
they need to know
somebody is encouraging that
00:19:08.76\00:19:13.50
that can offer
them that encouragement
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and motivations to get through.
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And through your
relationship with God
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they need to know
that the higher power,
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Jesus Christ
allowed you the opportunity
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to come out of the reign
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and He brought
you into the sunshine.
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So that's major. Yes.
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You know, our
world needs us today,
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our country you
know we're in a state now
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where we need
the power of prayer.
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We need to have the
Word of God to reign down
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upon the people of this
country and other country,
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our neighboring
countries, our allies you know--
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Did you feel judged
when you were going through?
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Did you feel you
couldn't really find help
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when you were out there
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and you were you
know smoking and drinking?
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Did you feel
lost at a point where
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you didn't think
help was available?
00:20:03.68\00:20:05.49
Yes, I was very well lost.
00:20:05.52\00:20:07.66
Did you ever think
about taking your life?
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No.
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So-- so when you
come to a young lady,
00:20:11.73\00:20:14.91
because I'm sure some
young woman have probably
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talked you even though
you may not have your shelter
00:20:17.61\00:20:20.75
moving in the direction that
you needed to go at this point.
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I mean you're
talking to a young lady
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or someone is going through
is that something that you
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enjoy doing or what?
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Yes, I enjoy helping.
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I-- you know there
is a need for people
00:20:38.83\00:20:42.43
to help one another
because you don't get help.
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You know everyone
in the world today
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is for themselves
and I feel like that--
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you know not all
people was like that
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but for the most part of it,
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its cold out here in this world.
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Oh, it is.
00:21:01.18\00:21:02.63
And when you don't
have someone to care
00:21:02.66\00:21:06.41
that's a hurting feeling.
00:21:06.44\00:21:08.77
So I thank God
for the compassion
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that He put in me
to help other people,
00:21:11.87\00:21:15.94
with low self-esteem.
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We want to work with
them and to help them.
00:21:20.08\00:21:23.36
You know they need
someone to love them.
00:21:23.39\00:21:25.95
I want to give, I
have so much in me,
00:21:25.98\00:21:27.82
I'm so full to give back
00:21:27.85\00:21:30.70
I'm also gonna offer the
ladies church, going to church.
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We have a bus, this
gonna transport them
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back and forth to
church, prayer service,
00:21:39.23\00:21:42.62
Bible study that's
gonna be their deliverance
00:21:42.65\00:21:46.37
is going to church
because, that's a blessing.
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Now you're gonna offer them,
00:21:50.36\00:21:51.47
making available
for them to have-- yeah,
00:21:51.50\00:21:54.23
I'll just say you meant to help,
00:21:54.26\00:21:55.85
you're gonna provide that
00:21:55.88\00:21:57.22
but the NA and the AA
programs within your facility.
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Yes.
00:21:59.96\00:22:00.99
You gonna offer that also. Yes.
00:22:01.02\00:22:02.47
Okay, that would be great.
00:22:02.50\00:22:03.68
All right, now
where is Rashawn Butts?
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What do you do for you?
00:22:06.53\00:22:07.68
You know how do you enjoy you?
00:22:07.71\00:22:09.94
You know, I hear all
the things you're doing,
00:22:09.97\00:22:11.36
but you know --
00:22:11.39\00:22:12.63
I hear you're enjoying life.
I know you're enjoying life.
00:22:12.66\00:22:15.02
You're enjoying life,
00:22:15.05\00:22:16.67
but little special things
you like doing for yourself.
00:22:16.70\00:22:19.29
What do you do for you?
00:22:19.32\00:22:20.81
I like cooking. Okay.
00:22:20.84\00:22:23.11
I love singing
in choir. All right.
00:22:23.14\00:22:26.49
Just be a sod off for
the Lord, that's my life now.
00:22:26.52\00:22:29.74
I guess you're
high now. Yes. Yes.
00:22:29.77\00:22:31.71
I know the other
day my husband woke up
00:22:31.74\00:22:32.85
and he said and I was--
00:22:32.88\00:22:34.36
he was getting dressed
and he said I just high.
00:22:34.39\00:22:39.10
And I say you high
on what? He said Jesus.
00:22:39.13\00:22:42.16
And I said look at you
this morning, you know,
00:22:42.19\00:22:44.31
and he just rolled over into me
00:22:44.34\00:22:46.37
and rolled over into
everyone I saw that day.
00:22:46.40\00:22:49.16
And it was just-- is
contagious, if it's genuine.
00:22:49.19\00:22:53.42
If it's genuine.
00:22:53.45\00:22:55.06
See, and again going
back to that statement,
00:22:55.09\00:22:57.63
people are
looking for a relationship
00:22:57.66\00:23:00.97
not just a religion.
00:23:01.00\00:23:02.60
And you may be viewing right now
00:23:02.63\00:23:04.46
where you're saying to yourself,
00:23:04.49\00:23:05.54
how do I get on fire?
00:23:05.57\00:23:07.30
How do I connect? How
do I make this thing real?
00:23:07.33\00:23:10.94
Well, start right now.
00:23:10.97\00:23:12.82
You accepting
Jesus Christ as your Lord
00:23:12.85\00:23:15.33
and Savior and
being able to reach out,
00:23:15.36\00:23:17.63
He is waiting
for you. Yes, He is.
00:23:17.66\00:23:19.55
He is waiting for you right now.
00:23:19.58\00:23:21.55
And you're not alone.
00:23:21.58\00:23:22.69
I also think people need to feel
00:23:22.72\00:23:27.40
like they have opportunity
to reach out and not be judged.
00:23:27.43\00:23:32.65
Right and rejected. Yes.
00:23:32.68\00:23:34.63
You know that's really important
00:23:34.66\00:23:37.32
because you may have
opportunity to extend
00:23:37.35\00:23:40.74
all the services in
the world to someone.
00:23:40.77\00:23:43.62
But if they feel
that you're condescending
00:23:43.65\00:23:46.42
or judging them that makes
them run away just as much.
00:23:46.45\00:23:51.05
So when we get
people coming into us what--
00:23:51.08\00:23:54.44
no matter what their problem is,
00:23:54.47\00:23:56.55
no matter what
their lifestyle is
00:23:56.58\00:23:58.99
we have to accept the fact
00:23:59.02\00:24:01.00
that God will
work into their life.
00:24:01.03\00:24:03.24
What has to happen is
they have to see Jesus in you.
00:24:03.27\00:24:07.25
You know and you have to
show compassion and not judge.
00:24:07.28\00:24:11.45
You know, in our
counseling clinic
00:24:11.48\00:24:12.85
in Detroit, Michigan,
00:24:12.88\00:24:14.28
where Arthur
and I are co-owners,
00:24:14.31\00:24:17.16
we receive so many
calls and emails and services
00:24:17.19\00:24:20.97
for psychological counseling,
Christian counseling.
00:24:21.00\00:24:24.96
But the one thing I
have to let people know
00:24:24.99\00:24:27.38
when they come in that
we're Christian therapist.
00:24:27.41\00:24:31.51
But we serviced atheist,
00:24:31.54\00:24:33.59
those who do not
even believe in God.
00:24:33.62\00:24:35.84
But something happens, Rashawn,
they begin to see Christ.
00:24:35.87\00:24:39.30
Yes.
00:24:39.33\00:24:40.37
And they say, okay, okay,
I can't do this by myself.
00:24:40.40\00:24:43.53
You know and a woman, I
met a woman the other day,
00:24:43.56\00:24:46.47
and she said
everywhere I have gone
00:24:46.50\00:24:48.55
I have been
judged and you know me,
00:24:48.58\00:24:51.78
and I said I'm
just here to listen
00:24:51.81\00:24:53.97
and to give you Godly
information, suggestions.
00:24:54.00\00:24:58.65
And I keep my Bible out
in my therapeutic office.
00:24:58.68\00:25:01.83
I keep it right there.
00:25:01.86\00:25:03.48
And that particular
day she reached out for it
00:25:03.51\00:25:06.07
and she just started crying.
00:25:06.10\00:25:07.89
And she say, and
she opening John 3:16
00:25:07.92\00:25:10.40
"For God so loved the world,
00:25:10.43\00:25:12.69
that He gave His
only begotten Son,
00:25:12.72\00:25:14.58
whoever
believes shall not perish
00:25:14.61\00:25:15.94
but have everlasting life."
00:25:15.97\00:25:18.14
And she said Dr.
Logan, you did not judge me,
00:25:18.17\00:25:21.32
you just allowed
me to speak my mind.
00:25:21.35\00:25:24.17
Oh, yes.
00:25:24.20\00:25:25.23
You know, and that's
what we have to give out of,
00:25:25.26\00:25:27.69
you know, but we
still have to stand up
00:25:27.72\00:25:29.31
for our principles.
00:25:29.34\00:25:30.44
Yes.
00:25:30.47\00:25:31.50
And values and morals
and be God's servants.
00:25:31.53\00:25:34.47
I think that's
important what you just said.
00:25:34.50\00:25:35.63
Yes.
00:25:35.66\00:25:36.69
But I think what
you have to remember is
00:25:36.72\00:25:38.76
that those principles
are yours and if I'm a babe,
00:25:38.79\00:25:44.27
that's trying to reach
out or come into the church,
00:25:44.30\00:25:47.90
you know, I'm more focused
00:25:47.93\00:25:49.34
on trying to
understand who Jesus is?
00:25:49.37\00:25:53.07
Because if I need--
00:25:53.10\00:25:54.39
if I'm searching for something
then I know God is out--
00:25:54.42\00:25:58.46
I'm not searching for God.
00:25:58.49\00:25:59.91
I need that support to
know that Jesus is in my life
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and he will help me
get through any turmoil
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that I may be experiencing.
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And one thing we have learnt
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in the
Seventh-day Adventist Church
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our church is that as people
come in and they are baptized,
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they ain't you know
showing them Jesus Christ
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but introducing them to like you
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have a structure in your church.
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You know and
you're a member of where?
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Where you are you a member?
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At Greater Grace Temple.
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Yes, and who is
your pastor there?
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Pastor Bishop Gary Harper.
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And praise God.
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And so again letting them
know that there are structures
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and standards and believes.
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That they have
to adhere to. Yes.
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Well, listen, I'm just excited
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about everything
God is doing for you
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and I want you to know
that God has called you
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for such a time as this.
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You know in our closing,
talk to the people of God.
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People are viewing,
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what would you say to
them in these last few minutes?
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Seek God with all your heart.
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If you be real with God
He gonna be real with you.
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When you're weak let Him know,
I'm weak and I need Your help.
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And He'll reach
down and He'll help you.
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That's beautiful. Arthur?
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Well, basically, I mean
you have a tremendous story,
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and people who go through the--
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who are on the verge
of death and destruction
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and then to come out it
once they turn their will
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and their heart
and soul over to Jesus
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it's a reward that
cannot be surpassed by anything.
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Yes.
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You may even come into riches
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and may even come into a
lot of materialistic things
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but it still
cannot replace the love
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and that Jesus has for you.
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Yes.
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And the guidance He
has provided for you.
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Yes.
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Well, I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin.
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I'm Arthur Nolin.
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I want to thank you,
Mrs. Butts, for being with us.
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God Bless you.
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