Participants: Arthur Nowlin (Host), Dr Kim Logan-Nowlin (Host), Beauty Ikeri
Series Code: MIW
Program Code: MIW000029
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00:01 Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin.
00:02 And I'm Arthur Nowlin. 00:04 And welcome to "Making It Work." 00:38 Arthur, do you what I think about, 00:40 beyond the limits? 00:42 Let me tell you what I think. Okay, let me hear it. 00:44 I think, out of space taking on... 00:47 What's wrong? What's wrong? 00:48 You like that? I mean, that's good. 00:50 Oh, man I said something you like. 00:52 Well, it was a program and you made think about it, 00:54 so that was good. 00:55 Well, today we have someone who's going beyond the limits. 00:58 Okay. 00:59 And she has such a beautiful name, 01:02 and her name is Beauty Ikeri, okay. 01:05 Are you serious? 01:06 We want to welcome you to "Making It Work." 01:08 Welcome sweetheart, how are you? 01:09 I'm well, thank you. Great. 01:11 Oh, God is good. 01:13 You know, I've been seeing you, 01:15 you know in our community, in our church and I said, 01:17 I want to have opportunity interview on the program, 01:20 and here you are. 01:21 You know, well, tell us all about Beauty, 01:23 you know take us back to when you're born in Nigeria. 01:27 Well, bring us up-to-date. 01:28 Okay, well I was born in Nigeria. 01:32 Yes. 01:33 I was born, in Abia State, Ubakala. 01:38 Abia State, that's the state in Nigeria. 01:40 Okay. 01:41 And little deeper Ubakala, Umuahia, 01:44 you know and then my local township. 01:46 My parents met, you know in Nigeria. 01:48 They kind of live not too far away from one another, 01:50 and my dad-- well, I was born Seventh-day Adventist. 01:55 My grandfather was actually the person in our village 01:58 who brought the Seventh-day Adventist 01:59 movement to our village. 02:00 Wow. Really? 02:01 So right, so my parents were born Adventists and-- 02:04 well, both of my parents were born Adventists. 02:06 And when they met, you know, sparks flew all that. 02:09 Of course, yeah. All that cute stuff you know. 02:11 They're real cute. 02:13 And my dad was actually a student at that time 02:17 he was going-- I don't recall the name of the school 02:20 but there is its a Seventh-day Adventists University 02:22 in Nigeria that has affiliations 02:24 of course to the GC with Oakwood University, 02:27 here in Alabaman. 02:30 Okay. 02:31 And there was an elder from Oakwood University 02:34 who was-- well, from Oakwood 02:35 who was a professor at my dad's college. 02:39 He took a really liking to my dad, 02:42 you know my dad was a really hard worker, great student, 02:45 and Elder Presley then started assisting my dad 02:50 and he was able to get a scholarship 02:52 from his university in Nigeria to Oakwood University 02:57 and Oakwood sponsored him. 02:58 So he came here to America as a student and he, 03:03 you know, went through ropes 03:04 and did everything that he needed to do 03:06 to gain his citizenship. 03:08 And at that time, Elder Presley's wife was, 03:11 you know, like his mother here. 03:13 So she was very helpful to him. 03:15 She helped him, you know, keep his money 03:16 however it was that he needed to keep it 03:18 and send whatever he needed to send back, 03:20 because at that time he had three kids. 03:22 Oh. 03:23 Yeah I was born and-- Are you the eldest? 03:26 No, no. 03:27 Okay, you doing no, no. No, I'm the third. 03:29 I'm the third. You're the third, all right. 03:31 Yes, the third of five, 03:32 but at that time I was the baby 03:33 so I think maybe the year I was born, 03:36 is when my dad came here for school. 03:38 Is that's right? 03:39 Yeah, so he worked and worked and worked, 03:43 and schooled and you know within a couple of years 03:46 was able to bring myself, 03:48 my mother and my oldest brother and my oldest sister. 03:51 And then here I am today. Here you are. 03:53 And your father did he complete-- 03:55 was a student at Oakwood college? 03:56 He did, yes he was. 03:57 And he completed Oakwood College? 03:59 No, he actually completed at Alabaman and-- 04:01 He had people, he transferred 04:02 you know Oakwood to Alabama. 04:03 All right, yeah. Yeah. 04:04 So now how did you migrate from Alabama to Michigan? 04:08 Well, my dad he got his degree in urban planning. 04:12 And he initially wanted take his degree 04:16 back to Nigeria and kind of help 04:18 you know build the community, and-- 04:20 not necessarily get into politics 04:22 but just be able to utilize some of the education 04:25 and the things that were successful here in the US, 04:29 and see if he would be able to implement 04:30 that in Nigeria to kind of assist there too. 04:33 But you know we plan God laughs. 04:36 Yeah, I like that, I like that. 04:38 So he-- what happened was he decided, 04:41 a couple of his friends told him that-- 04:43 it was shortly after the riots so it was in the 80s, 04:46 and someone said "look Detroit 04:50 they're about to be up and coming, 04:51 you know, they are trying to build themselves 04:53 back up from riots blah, blah, blah, 04:57 that urban planning is something 04:58 that they'd be looking for here in Michigan." 05:00 So he migrated to Michigan. 05:03 He used to just come up here to work during the-- 05:05 my dad he's Jake of all trades. 05:08 Okay. 05:09 So I mean from driving a taxi cab to, 05:11 you know, working on an ice cream truck, 05:14 and you know, so in the summers 05:16 he would come, a group of them, 05:17 a group of like the Nigerian men 05:18 who were here had their families 05:20 they would come up to Michigan 05:22 and just work, work, work, work, work, 05:24 they all kind of stayed in hotel room together 05:26 and I mean so you cut down on cost everything 05:30 that your making, you know, you're definitely making it to, 05:32 you know, bring your family, to send to your family. 05:35 So I don't know how long he did that for, 05:38 he migrated back and forth 05:39 and then we moved to Michigan because-- 05:41 but he ended up not working in urban planning, 05:43 he actually went into teaching. 05:44 Is that right? 05:46 Let me ask you, its 532 languages in Nigeria. 05:53 Yes I could not believe that many are there. 05:54 Well, is it 532? That's a lot, I know. 05:57 I don't know exactly but yeah. 05:59 Five hundred and thirty two 06:00 and which is the language did your dad speak when he was? 06:03 We, we are from the Igbo tribe. 06:05 Igbo, that's tribe you know. 06:07 So that's actually one of the larger tribe/languages 06:12 and that Nigerian encompasses, that is in Nigeria. 06:15 So what are the other ones that you know? 06:18 That I'm familiar with? 06:20 I know Yoruba, I don't know personally, 06:23 I know that Hausa is another language. 06:26 Yeah, Hausa. 06:28 I think those are the three main. 06:30 Three main languages, that's right. 06:31 How do you say hello in your language? 06:32 Kedu. Kedu. 06:34 Kedu. Kedu. 06:35 Yes. Kedu. 06:36 So you can still speak it? 06:37 Just a little bit. Okay. 06:40 I understand it thoroughly, you know but-- 06:42 You can interpret the language. 06:43 Yeah, definitely. Okay. 06:45 I could be definitely an interpreter for someone. 06:46 When we talk about beyond the limits, 06:49 all right you're here now, your going to school, 06:52 what was it like for you coming from Nigeria 06:54 and being able to, you know, 06:56 adjust to the western civilization, 06:58 what was it like? 07:00 It was, it was tough. 07:02 It wasn't, I mean it wasn't easy. 07:03 I was, I was young at that time you know, 07:06 so you know it's a lot easier for change to happen, 07:09 you know, children are more susceptible 07:11 to change than adults are. 07:12 So it wasn't as hard for me 07:14 as let's say my older sister or my parents. 07:17 But you know seeing their struggle 07:19 it affected me as well. 07:20 So it kind of made my struggle 07:22 a little bit more difficult than it should have been. 07:24 But I mean, I'm so grateful for everything, 07:27 you know, every, all the trails 07:28 and tribulations that we've gone through. 07:30 My parents were great parents though 07:32 and they kind of, they, 07:33 they a lot of people say shelter as if its a bad term 07:39 but I think that my parents sheltered us 07:41 and they protected us from a lot of things, you know. 07:44 And so I'm grateful for that 07:46 but there were some language barriers in the beginning 07:51 but, you know, I was still 07:52 learning language all together. 07:54 Yes, yes, yes, that's true. 07:55 You know, so it wasn't that difficult for me. 07:57 You know child can learn another language 07:59 quicker than an adult can, you know, 08:01 so-- but the culture shock actually happened twice 08:05 when we first came from Nigeria to Alabama and then, 08:10 you know, the south and north totally different. 08:12 Oh yes And then when we moved from Alabama to Michigan 08:15 so it was like a double whammy but-- 08:18 You made your adjustment? 08:19 We, we definitely made that. 08:21 And then the cold weather in the south 08:22 that's a major adjustment, all right. 08:24 Let me ask, Kim and I we do a lot of traveling 08:29 and one of the things 08:31 that we were fortunate to experience 08:33 was participating in family life 08:37 weekend in near, Berrien Springs. 08:40 There's an African Church down there 08:43 that we had a family life weekend there 08:46 and one of the issues that came about 08:50 was the relationship that the children 08:52 were having with parents because of the tradition, 08:55 can you expound on that? 09:02 I think that relationship is very similar 09:05 to the issues in church 09:07 when it comes to the older generation 09:09 and the younger generation, 09:11 because in essence traditionally 09:14 you all are lot different than your children are. 09:17 It's bit more extreme when talk to-- 09:19 when you talk about cultural traditions because, 09:22 you know, in my culture 09:25 let's say Seventh-day Adventism it's, 09:29 it's I mean, like when we for instance, 09:31 we went to Nigeria to visit in I think 2007 09:35 and this was the first time 09:37 that the whole family was able to go back. 09:40 And we went back and it was just like, it was crazy. 09:45 It wasn't crazy but it was definitely a big deal, 09:47 whole another cultural shock. 09:48 You think like oh, this is my-- 09:50 these are my people, this is my tradition, 09:51 and this is my culture like 09:52 I should be able to jump right in, 09:55 you know, as if I didn't miss a beat but things, 09:59 something is small as when we went to church 10:03 my aunt still goes to church and covers her head 10:06 when she goes into the sanctuary, 10:08 things that we don't do here, you know. 10:10 And so a lot of those traditions 10:14 and a lot of those cultural things 10:15 that were imbedded in our parents they bring it here. 10:19 So the battle then becomes 10:20 what it is that we see when we step out of the house 10:24 which is the majority of people 10:26 and the way that they interact with one another, 10:28 the things that they do versus 10:31 within the four walls of our home 10:33 what our parents do 10:34 and it's tough, it's tough but-- 10:39 Even it's for you right now? 10:41 No. Okay. 10:43 Because I know your parents and they, 10:45 they are great parents okay, you had a point there. 10:49 Yes, but while you were in Nigeria, 10:51 out of respect did you cover your head? 10:53 What did do in that situation? 10:55 I did, I did, of course I did. 10:57 Yes, I mean but it was-- I was intrigued by it. 11:01 You know, it was something that since we didn't do it here 11:04 I didn't even understand the significance behind it. 11:07 So once my aunt kind of explain to me 11:09 why it was that she did that, 11:11 it's just it's a form of humility. 11:14 You know you're stepping into the Holy Place 11:17 and you know want to cover, 11:18 because you are not worthy in essence 11:21 so you want to shield yourself completely 11:23 so that God does not see you, 11:25 it's not, it's not about you at all. 11:27 And you know versus here when we go to church you know 11:30 you put on your Sabbath best 11:32 and not to say that it's about you 11:34 but it's just whole different mindset 11:37 when you go there. 11:38 I won't say that I carry that on 11:40 and you know brought it back to Michigan 11:43 and you know I don't cover my head at church here 11:45 but her worship is her worship. 11:49 And my worship is my worship. 11:50 You know, the "God knows my heart" saying. 11:53 Well, lets talk about the way you worship, 11:56 you know, you know being a young person 11:58 I see you serving in the choir, you know, you enjoy singing, 12:01 I see you at different events. 12:03 Let's talk about your relation with God 12:04 and your Lord and Savior. 12:06 Okay, well, my relationship with God is... 12:14 it's unique. 12:15 All right. 12:16 It's very unique. Okay. 12:18 I kind of we fight a lot. All right. 12:22 We fight a lot not in bad way it's just because by nature 12:27 I'm kind of stubborn you know and-- 12:30 Oh really? Yeah. 12:31 I didn't know that really? 12:33 You seem so complacent and compliance you know-- 12:35 I you know. 12:36 Well you know I'm on committee with her. 12:39 Oh you are? 12:40 And I noticed a few things. 12:43 Oh, I just think its sweet Beauty at church. 12:45 Yeah, you didn't the one I see. 12:49 Well you know that, could be you talking about, 12:51 oh I know it means dominating 12:53 that bring out the beast in everybody, all right. 12:55 I mean but even, even with then it's just 12:58 I'm a type of person that I'm, 13:01 I'm always open to suggestions. 13:03 Okay, that's good. 13:05 You know, but before I do something 13:07 I kind of always pray about it. 13:09 So I feel like when I pray about something 13:11 and the Lord doesn't really tell me otherwise, 13:14 then I feel like that's the way to go. 13:16 You know, so and then in the profession 13:18 that I'm in as well you have got kind of, 13:20 you have got be steadfast when you can't waiver. 13:24 And in law school I was on a, it's called Moot Court, 13:30 and it's I was on the national team 13:32 so we traveled to Georgia 13:34 and we competed in the national competition 13:35 against others schools in US. 13:37 And one of the main things that they told us was is, 13:40 when you are in this competition 13:42 never concede, never concede, 13:46 because it's a sing of weakness in an attorney. 13:48 Now, be reasonable but you should be coming forth 13:53 with whatever it is that you are saying, 13:54 you should have already done all of your research. 13:57 So it's not about getting to this point now 14:00 and learning something new. 14:02 There should nothing new that you learning at this point, 14:04 you should have done all of you research in the past 14:06 so that whatever it is that you are saying 14:08 you need to be convicted by it. 14:10 So my level of conviction may be equal 14:13 to the other person's level of conviction, 14:15 and then we're just talking about 14:17 who can argue your point the best 14:19 and then the judge will be the deciding. 14:20 Yeah, and let us go to the segue here, 14:22 you kind of slipped that in, you know beating the odds. 14:25 You have gone to law school, graduated from the law school, 14:29 you've the bar, waited on your results, 14:32 getting ready to take care of ethics exams. 14:33 How did we get little girl from Nigeria, Alabama, Michigan 14:38 now you know about to be attorney, all right. 14:41 How did you make that desire 14:43 or God led you into that area of study? 14:46 You know and I see all that, I see that. 14:48 Do you see the attorney? Yeah. 14:50 It's a woman thing girl. Your blazer I see it. 14:53 You should see what I've seen. 14:54 You know, I bring back to that region at the end. 14:57 So how did you and God 14:59 in this battling end up becoming, 15:02 you know, law school and completing the law school? 15:04 Well, back to stubborn-- 15:08 I don't know stubborn is the right word, 15:11 but when you see me like you said I'm always smiling. 15:16 I'm a very, I tried to be a very pleasant person. 15:18 You are. Because life is good. 15:19 You know, there is no reason to complain and however, 15:25 I told my dad once because when I was younger 15:27 I was little mischievous. 15:30 And-- No. 15:31 Yes. Okay. 15:33 I told my dad once I said, he just, 15:35 he just looked and he said, what is wrong with you? 15:39 And I was like its middle child syndrome. 15:43 No, you didn't. 15:45 So it's like the wish-- It's really a doubt. 15:48 Oh, please because my little girl gonna say 15:50 she is gonna use that, middle child syndrome, 15:52 can you say, Anna saying it? 15:53 Seriously, yeah but, I mean-- 15:55 Anna is not the middle child though. 15:57 Oh, no. She is the youngest. 16:00 But there is a middle child-- No, there is no syndrome there. 16:03 Oh, middle school syndrome. 16:05 I know. Even you got that. 16:07 Okay. All right. 16:09 Okay, so? 16:11 But, so just within the family unit 16:16 I had to fight, you understand, 16:18 because I had an older sister and then older brother 16:21 and then I had a younger sister 16:23 and a younger brother in that order. 16:26 So I just have to fight. 16:28 I had to fight for-- 16:30 I had to fight for everything 16:32 that I had and so because of that my dad, 16:36 you know, it's just used to be very frustrated to them. 16:38 My older sister-- and you know, 16:40 when you have multiple children 16:41 every child has their own personality. 16:43 Oh yes. 16:44 And you then have to use 16:46 a different approach for every child 16:47 because my older sister, her name is Goodness, 16:51 and when I'd say that she embodies her name. 16:55 She's just good, she's great. 16:57 Good person. 16:58 Everything about her is great like she-- 17:00 She never got the spanking? Never. 17:03 She was perfect, 17:05 so my parents only had to tell her to do something once 17:08 and she did it, no questions asked. 17:10 No nothing. 17:12 So but yours truly-- 17:14 Yours truly, what happened? 17:16 Just always in the person that kind of challenges things 17:19 because I mean, my sister being older person 17:23 and she grew up in Nigeria, 17:25 so the culture in Nigeria is more embedded in her 17:30 than it was in me. 17:32 So you know that automatic level of respect. 17:35 It was just-- No question? 17:37 No questions asked, it was just yes sir, yes ma'am. 17:39 Even to this day, she's married with children 17:42 and if my parents tell her to do something. 17:45 It's done. It's done. 17:46 It's done. 17:47 You know but with me it was and I guess 17:50 that goes back to that culture shock, 17:52 it was watching my older sister 17:54 and learning from her in the way 17:56 that she interacted with my parents 17:58 versus being at school watching my friends 18:01 because I went to DPS. 18:03 You know, so watching my-- 18:05 Detroit Public School. 18:06 Detroit Public School, exactly 18:08 and watching my friends at school 18:10 and you know they were kind of sassy with the teacher 18:14 and you know everybody 18:15 had little bit of attitude and stuff. 18:17 But you didn't, you didn't have? 18:19 No. No I wasn't crazy. 18:20 You did not take that home? No. 18:23 My parents would always say 18:25 the teacher no reason to lie on me. 18:27 Okay. 18:29 So whatever-- 18:30 Check that attitude at door, that's it. 18:32 Yeah, so I mean so it was, 18:34 but it was still you know you would kind of-- 18:36 I would always kind of like push things a little, 18:38 see how far I can actually-- 18:39 So that led you into this area of law? 18:41 Yeah, because and, and my, my teacher, 18:44 my fourth grade teacher is the one that actually-- 18:45 she just is like, "Look, I see it in you. 18:49 You are gonna be an attorney." 18:51 And I'm like what's an attorney. 18:52 Wow. 18:53 And I just was like whatever 18:54 I don't know what you are talking about, 18:55 but thank you, you know. 18:57 Are you in touch with her? Oh, wow. 18:59 I did say, when everything you know penned out 19:02 and everything got official right. 19:03 So when get sworn in I'll definitely find her. 19:05 Well, listen we already know it's done with, 19:08 we're led by faith and not by siding. 19:09 Absolutely. 19:10 And we will be looking for the announcement at the church. 19:13 But let I and, we do announce, you know, at our Church. 19:16 I understand that middle child syndrome now. 19:19 Yeah, we both are middle children. 19:20 No. I am. 19:21 You are? 19:22 Yeah, Dave, Kurt and me and David and Ronnie. 19:25 But I think it affected you worse than me, I know. 19:28 No, you didn't go there? I had to. 19:32 I was, I did. I was. 19:34 And you are. And I'm. 19:37 You know, but that's a whole another program. 19:39 Yeah, we don't have time for that right now, yeah. 19:42 But in everything that you're doing now, 19:45 you know, serving the church or working on the, 19:47 you know, nominating committee, 19:49 you know why, why do you care about the structure of church? 19:52 I care about the structure of the church 19:53 because I see that the church, 19:57 I see that it's like crumbling a little bit. 20:01 I mean, though its God church, 20:02 and God has His hand on the church. 20:04 We know that the church will never fall. 20:06 However you can still see the bits and pieces 20:09 of the church kind of falling off. 20:12 So the church as a whole will never fall apart, 20:15 but I mean, I think as, you know, 20:17 a member of the church and someone 20:19 who is convicted by our faith 20:22 it is my duty to the kind of patch the pieces back up, 20:26 you know, put the drywall lawn or whatever. 20:28 Oh, no. 20:29 Okay, I can see that with you and your involvement 20:35 and having an analytical mind you know 20:38 I can see all those things within you. 20:41 But we still have a major problem. 20:43 You know, the problem is youth your age 20:47 tend to or deviate away from the church, 20:51 you know, and really get into their own thing. 20:55 Right. 20:56 How do we win them back? 20:57 Yes, Beauty, how do we win that generation back? 21:01 I don't even know if I can answer the question. 21:07 I mean, of course we've got all the generic answer 21:11 which would be, it's like catching a rat or a mouse 21:17 you want to put things out that 21:20 that person would be enticed by. 21:23 Or something that you know that person would want come to, 21:26 something that's gonna kind of draw them in. 21:29 So it's just the church's responsibility, 21:31 now they are kind of find the balance. 21:33 Maintaining our doctrine, 21:35 maintaining our values and our believes 21:38 and finding out what it is that 21:41 our missing pieces need to come back. 21:45 And as long as whatever that they need 21:47 or they want does not go against 21:49 what we believe or what we value. 21:52 Then I think we need to figure out 21:53 how to fuse of merge that and I think that then you know 21:57 we will have our children or our young adults 22:00 coming back to the church. 22:01 Well, there is a lot different perspectives on that 22:05 as far as creating new programs, 22:10 trying to do something that will impact 22:14 that group changing some of the structure, 22:21 you know, and which I think may be intriguing, 22:27 I like you analogy when you're saying 22:29 its like catching a mouse or a rat 22:31 you had to put something out there to attract them, 22:35 but what see in that I still see a barrier 22:39 because after we attract them 22:42 they stay for awhile and they move on. 22:45 And that's, and that's where the church needs 22:48 to kind of revisit its approach. 22:51 Yes. 22:52 You know, revisit it's; 22:53 it's not just about putting on a facade, 22:57 you know, or we don't want church to be a moneague. 23:01 You know, when you see it from distance 23:03 it looks so beautiful but then you walk upon to it, 23:05 it's like what, where are we what are we doing here? 23:10 So then the church and its leader 23:12 and the people in leadership positions 23:14 one of the reason that I accept it, 23:16 you know, that the, when the church called I answered. 23:20 But because I feel like that's the problem, 23:23 you know, when we have certain people 23:25 in leadership positions or the people 23:27 who affect you on your day to day walk 23:30 or your day to day visit 23:31 or on your weekly experience at church 23:34 the people who have the largest physical affect on you 23:39 those are the people who regardless 23:42 that they like it or not, 23:43 those are the people who keep or push people away 23:46 because those are the people that you interact, 23:48 you got your church people, your members and staff 23:50 but if a member looks at me crazy. 23:53 Hey, you know you just kind of look at him back 23:56 but if an elder looks at you crazy 23:59 then your like "oh my." 24:01 You know, like what did I do or you know 24:03 then you start feel that judgment. 24:05 When someone in your, 24:06 and that's on the same level as you, 24:08 you know not to say that elder on higher level, 24:10 I don't, I don't even just speak of the elders like said, 24:13 anyone who is in a leadership position at the church 24:18 those are people who are tasked with the duty of keeping 24:23 the people within the church. 24:24 Its not just on the members, the members have their own, 24:27 you know, responsibilities as well 24:29 but I think that that's what keeps the people in 24:31 and that's what pushes the people away. 24:33 Do you think with-- oh sorry, go ahead. 24:36 Well I guess, what, I was gonna follow up with that is, 24:40 I truly believe that's why we need more young people 24:44 to take on leadership positions. 24:47 You know, because they will able to probably 24:52 address some of those concerns that they deal with. 24:57 Like we have young people 24:58 who feel they have to be financial stable in a way 25:04 where it's comfortable to them, 25:07 so two people work in a household. 25:09 You know, so that means to me 25:13 that the finances of the household 25:15 which is truly important, 25:17 but it takes the precedent over everything else, you know. 25:21 Well, we have about two minutes left. 25:23 No. 25:25 I know, where did it go? 25:26 I need an hour here, you know. 25:28 Now you are working? Yeah. 25:29 And you are with a law firm here in Michigan. 25:32 I'm, yes. 25:33 And you are on a payroll? Yeah. 25:34 That's a good thing, it's a good thing, 25:36 you know Praise God. 25:37 Praise God. Yes. 25:39 When, when you deal with the some the challenges, 25:42 you know, you are very beautiful young lady, 25:44 you know, very, very humble, 25:46 you're so humble and but I can see you-- 25:50 You, you need to see the other side of her. 25:52 See the other side, all right, that's all right. 25:55 You know, the bare--in you, 25:59 I know it comes out at right time and place. 26:01 You know where do you see yourself, 26:03 you know, two year in our last minute and half? 26:06 What's your short term and long term goals for your life? 26:08 Okay, short term, becoming an associate in the law 26:12 in the law firm that I'm currently working for. 26:16 And being a lot more active, 26:19 because I was a student for so long 26:22 my time was minimal, you know, 26:24 the amount of time that could actually-- 26:26 so that's why I just kept the things 26:28 I enjoy like the choir, 26:30 doesn't require that much time 26:31 but it's still my way of serving. 26:33 Yes. 26:34 But now I that, you know, all I will be doing is working 26:37 and I really won't have as much studying I mean, 26:39 but maybe I will, you know, who knows, maybe, you know, 26:43 there'll be another degree that kind of, 26:45 put me on the show. 26:46 Judgeship. 26:47 Yeah, is that's something in your future? 26:48 It, it that is something in my long term goal. 26:50 Yeah, oh I see that's so Beauty, I see that. 26:53 You know, I make sure 26:54 Arthur stays at your court, okay. 26:55 Sure. 26:57 Oh, man. 26:59 Your mother and father must be proud, 27:01 all your siblings are all educated 27:04 and they're working nurse, engineer, 27:07 one Business Street works of a bank, 27:10 you a lawyer and I'm missing someone? 27:13 He is Jeremiah. 27:14 Jeremiah, he's at school now, yeah. 27:17 He is doing engineering now. 27:18 If had to-- we got-- you have about 10 seconds. 27:20 Look at that camera a young person 27:23 like yourself or people have to, 27:25 you know, go beyond the limits? 27:28 "I can do all things through Christ 27:30 who strengthens me." 27:31 I mean, there is nothing that you cannot do 27:33 as long as you put your mind to something, 27:35 you have God in your corner then you can, 27:38 you can take on any battle that comes towards you. 27:40 Oh, taking that beyond the limits. 27:43 That's great. That's right. 27:44 Well, listen I think you're beautiful, 27:46 Arthur, you beautiful, I'm beautiful. 27:48 You're beautiful. 27:49 Thank you, I'll appreciate that. 27:51 Listen, we think you're beautiful. 27:53 Listen, I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin. 27:55 And I'm Arthur Nowlin. 27:57 Continue to know that you can go beyond the limits. 28:00 God bless. God bless. |
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