Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin.
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And I'm Arthur Nowlin.
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And welcome to "Making It Work."
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Arthur, do you
what I think about,
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beyond the limits?
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Let me tell you what I
think. Okay, let me hear it.
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I think, out of
space taking on...
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What's wrong? What's wrong?
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You like that? I
mean, that's good.
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Oh, man I said
something you like.
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Well, it was a program
and you made think about it,
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so that was good.
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Well, today we have someone
who's going beyond the limits.
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Okay.
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And she has such
a beautiful name,
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and her name is
Beauty Ikeri, okay.
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Are you serious?
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We want to welcome
you to "Making It Work."
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Welcome sweetheart, how are you?
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I'm well, thank you. Great.
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Oh, God is good.
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You know, I've been seeing you,
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you know in our community,
in our church and I said,
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I want to have opportunity
interview on the program,
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and here you are.
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You know, well,
tell us all about Beauty,
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you know take us back to
when you're born in Nigeria.
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Well, bring us up-to-date.
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Okay, well I
was born in Nigeria.
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Yes.
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I was born, in
Abia State, Ubakala.
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Abia State, that's
the state in Nigeria.
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Okay.
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And little
deeper Ubakala, Umuahia,
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you know and then
my local township.
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My parents met,
you know in Nigeria.
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They kind of live not too
far away from one another,
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and my dad-- well, I was
born Seventh-day Adventist.
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My grandfather was actually
the person in our village
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who brought the
Seventh-day Adventist
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movement to our village.
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Wow. Really?
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So right, so my parents
were born Adventists and--
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well, both of my
parents were born Adventists.
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And when they met, you
know, sparks flew all that.
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Of course, yeah. All
that cute stuff you know.
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They're real cute.
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And my dad was
actually a student at that time
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he was going-- I don't
recall the name of the school
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but there is its a Seventh-day
Adventists University
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in Nigeria that has affiliations
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of course to the GC
with Oakwood University,
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here in Alabaman.
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Okay.
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And there was an elder
from Oakwood University
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who was-- well, from Oakwood
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who was a professor
at my dad's college.
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He took a really
liking to my dad,
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you know my dad was a really
hard worker, great student,
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and Elder Presley then
started assisting my dad
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and he was able
to get a scholarship
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from his university in
Nigeria to Oakwood University
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and Oakwood sponsored him.
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So he came here to
America as a student and he,
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you know, went through ropes
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and did everything
that he needed to do
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to gain his citizenship.
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And at that time,
Elder Presley's wife was,
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you know, like his mother here.
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So she was very helpful to him.
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She helped him, you
know, keep his money
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however it was that
he needed to keep it
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and send whatever
he needed to send back,
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because at that
time he had three kids.
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Oh.
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Yeah I was born
and-- Are you the eldest?
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No, no.
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Okay, you doing no,
no. No, I'm the third.
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I'm the third.
You're the third, all right.
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Yes, the third of five,
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but at that time I was the baby
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so I think maybe
the year I was born,
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is when my dad
came here for school.
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Is that's right?
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Yeah, so he worked
and worked and worked,
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and schooled and you
know within a couple of years
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was able to bring myself,
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my mother and my oldest
brother and my oldest sister.
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And then here I am
today. Here you are.
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And your father
did he complete--
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was a student
at Oakwood college?
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He did, yes he was.
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And he
completed Oakwood College?
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No, he actually
completed at Alabaman and--
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He had people, he transferred
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you know Oakwood to Alabama.
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All right, yeah. Yeah.
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So now how did you migrate
from Alabama to Michigan?
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Well, my dad he got his
degree in urban planning.
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And he initially
wanted take his degree
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back to Nigeria and kind of help
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you know build
the community, and--
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not necessarily
get into politics
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but just be able to
utilize some of the education
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and the things that were
successful here in the US,
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and see if he would
be able to implement
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that in Nigeria to
kind of assist there too.
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But you know we plan God laughs.
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Yeah, I like that, I like that.
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So he-- what
happened was he decided,
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a couple of his
friends told him that--
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it was shortly after the
riots so it was in the 80s,
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and someone said "look Detroit
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they're about to
be up and coming,
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you know, they are
trying to build themselves
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back up from
riots blah, blah, blah,
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that urban planning is something
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that they'd be
looking for here in Michigan."
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So he migrated to Michigan.
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He used to just come up
here to work during the--
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my dad he's Jake of all trades.
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Okay.
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So I mean from
driving a taxi cab to,
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you know, working
on an ice cream truck,
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and you know, so in the summers
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he would come, a group of them,
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a group of like the Nigerian men
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who were here had their families
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they would come up to Michigan
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and just work,
work, work, work, work,
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they all kind of
stayed in hotel room together
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and I mean so you cut
down on cost everything
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that your making, you know,
you're definitely making it to,
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you know, bring your
family, to send to your family.
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So I don't know how
long he did that for,
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he migrated back and forth
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and then we moved
to Michigan because--
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but he ended up not
working in urban planning,
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he actually went into teaching.
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Is that right?
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Let me ask you, its
532 languages in Nigeria.
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Yes I could not
believe that many are there.
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Well, is it 532?
That's a lot, I know.
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I don't know exactly but yeah.
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Five hundred and thirty two
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and which is the language
did your dad speak when he was?
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We, we are from the Igbo tribe.
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Igbo, that's tribe you know.
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So that's actually one of
the larger tribe/languages
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and that Nigerian
encompasses, that is in Nigeria.
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So what are the
other ones that you know?
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That I'm familiar with?
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I know Yoruba, I
don't know personally,
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I know that Hausa
is another language.
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Yeah, Hausa.
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I think those
are the three main.
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Three main
languages, that's right.
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How do you say
hello in your language?
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Kedu. Kedu.
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Kedu. Kedu.
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Yes. Kedu.
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So you can still speak it?
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Just a little bit. Okay.
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I understand it
thoroughly, you know but--
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You can interpret the language.
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Yeah, definitely. Okay.
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I could be definitely
an interpreter for someone.
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When we talk
about beyond the limits,
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all right you're here
now, your going to school,
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what was it like for
you coming from Nigeria
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and being able to, you know,
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adjust to the
western civilization,
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what was it like?
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It was, it was tough.
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It wasn't, I
mean it wasn't easy.
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I was, I was young
at that time you know,
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so you know it's a lot
easier for change to happen,
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you know, children
are more susceptible
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to change than adults are.
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So it wasn't as hard for me
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as let's say my
older sister or my parents.
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But you know
seeing their struggle
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it affected me as well.
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So it kind of made my struggle
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a little bit more difficult
than it should have been.
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But I mean, I'm so
grateful for everything,
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you know, every, all the trails
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and tribulations
that we've gone through.
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My parents were
great parents though
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and they kind of, they,
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they a lot of people say
shelter as if its a bad term
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but I think that my
parents sheltered us
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and they protected us
from a lot of things, you know.
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And so I'm grateful for that
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but there were some language
barriers in the beginning
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but, you know, I was still
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learning language all together.
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Yes, yes, yes, that's true.
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You know, so it
wasn't that difficult for me.
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You know child can
learn another language
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quicker than an
adult can, you know,
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so-- but the culture
shock actually happened twice
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when we first came from
Nigeria to Alabama and then,
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you know, the south and
north totally different.
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Oh yes And then when we
moved from Alabama to Michigan
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so it was like a
double whammy but--
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You made your adjustment?
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We, we definitely made that.
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And then the cold
weather in the south
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that's a major
adjustment, all right.
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Let me ask, Kim and I
we do a lot of traveling
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and one of the things
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that we were
fortunate to experience
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was participating in family life
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weekend in
near, Berrien Springs.
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There's an
African Church down there
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that we had a
family life weekend there
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and one of the
issues that came about
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was the
relationship that the children
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were having with parents
because of the tradition,
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can you expound on that?
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I think that
relationship is very similar
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to the issues in church
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when it comes to
the older generation
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and the younger generation,
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because in essence traditionally
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you all are lot different
than your children are.
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It's bit more
extreme when talk to--
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when you talk about
cultural traditions because,
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you know, in my culture
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let's say
Seventh-day Adventism it's,
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it's I mean, like
when we for instance,
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we went to Nigeria
to visit in I think 2007
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and this was the first time
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that the whole
family was able to go back.
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And we went back and it
was just like, it was crazy.
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It wasn't crazy but it
was definitely a big deal,
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whole another cultural shock.
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You think like oh, this is my--
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these are my people,
this is my tradition,
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and this is my culture like
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I should be able
to jump right in,
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you know, as if I
didn't miss a beat but things,
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something is small as
when we went to church
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my aunt still goes to
church and covers her head
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when she goes
into the sanctuary,
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things that we
don't do here, you know.
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And so a lot of those traditions
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and a lot of
those cultural things
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that were imbedded in our
parents they bring it here.
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So the battle then becomes
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what it is that we see
when we step out of the house
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which is the majority of people
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and the way that they
interact with one another,
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the things that they do versus
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within the four
walls of our home
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what our parents do
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and it's tough, it's tough but--
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Even it's for you right now?
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No. Okay.
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Because I know
your parents and they,
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they are great parents
okay, you had a point there.
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Yes, but while
you were in Nigeria,
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out of respect did
you cover your head?
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What did do in that situation?
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I did, I did, of course I did.
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Yes, I mean but it
was-- I was intrigued by it.
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You know, it was something
that since we didn't do it here
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I didn't even understand
the significance behind it.
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So once my aunt
kind of explain to me
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why it was that she did that,
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it's just it's a
form of humility.
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You know you're
stepping into the Holy Place
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and you know want to cover,
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because you are
not worthy in essence
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so you want to
shield yourself completely
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so that God does not see you,
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it's not, it's
not about you at all.
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And you know versus here
when we go to church you know
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you put on your Sabbath best
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and not to say
that it's about you
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but it's just
whole different mindset
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when you go there.
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I won't say that I carry that on
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and you know
brought it back to Michigan
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and you know I don't
cover my head at church here
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but her worship is her worship.
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And my worship is my worship.
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You know, the "God
knows my heart" saying.
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Well, lets talk
about the way you worship,
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you know, you know
being a young person
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I see you serving in the choir,
you know, you enjoy singing,
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I see you at different events.
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Let's talk about
your relation with God
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and your Lord and Savior.
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Okay, well, my
relationship with God is...
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it's unique.
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All right.
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It's very unique. Okay.
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I kind of we
fight a lot. All right.
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We fight a lot not in bad
way it's just because by nature
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I'm kind of
stubborn you know and--
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Oh really? Yeah.
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I didn't know that really?
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You seem so complacent
and compliance you know--
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I you know.
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Well you know I'm
on committee with her.
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Oh you are?
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And I noticed a few things.
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Oh, I just think its
sweet Beauty at church.
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Yeah, you didn't the one I see.
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Well you know that,
could be you talking about,
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oh I know it means dominating
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that bring out the
beast in everybody, all right.
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I mean but even,
even with then it's just
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I'm a type of person that I'm,
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I'm always open to suggestions.
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Okay, that's good.
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You know, but
before I do something
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I kind of always pray about it.
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So I feel like when
I pray about something
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and the Lord doesn't
really tell me otherwise,
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then I feel like
that's the way to go.
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You know, so and
then in the profession
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that I'm in as well
you have got kind of,
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you have got be
steadfast when you can't waiver.
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And in law school I was
on a, it's called Moot Court,
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and it's I was
on the national team
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so we traveled to Georgia
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and we competed in
the national competition
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against others schools in US.
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And one of the main
things that they told us was is,
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when you are in this competition
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never concede, never concede,
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because it's a sing of
weakness in an attorney.
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Now, be reasonable but
you should be coming forth
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with whatever it is
that you are saying,
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you should have already
done all of your research.
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So it's not about
getting to this point now
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and learning something new.
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There should nothing new
that you learning at this point,
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you should have done all
of you research in the past
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so that whatever it
is that you are saying
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you need to be convicted by it.
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So my level of
conviction may be equal
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to the other
person's level of conviction,
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and then we're
just talking about
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who can argue
your point the best
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and then the judge
will be the deciding.
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Yeah, and let us
go to the segue here,
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you kind of slipped that
in, you know beating the odds.
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You have gone to law school,
graduated from the law school,
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you've the bar,
waited on your results,
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getting ready to
take care of ethics exams.
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How did we get little girl
from Nigeria, Alabama, Michigan
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now you know about to
be attorney, all right.
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How did you make that desire
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or God led you
into that area of study?
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You know and I see
all that, I see that.
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Do you see the attorney? Yeah.
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It's a woman thing
girl. Your blazer I see it.
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You should see what I've seen.
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You know, I bring back
to that region at the end.
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So how did you and God
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in this
battling end up becoming,
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you know, law school and
completing the law school?
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Well, back to stubborn--
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I don't know
stubborn is the right word,
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but when you see me like
you said I'm always smiling.
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I'm a very, I tried to
be a very pleasant person.
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You are. Because life is good.
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You know, there is no
reason to complain and however,
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I told my dad once
because when I was younger
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I was little mischievous.
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And-- No.
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Yes. Okay.
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I told my dad
once I said, he just,
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he just looked and he
said, what is wrong with you?
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And I was like its
middle child syndrome.
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No, you didn't.
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So it's like the
wish-- It's really a doubt.
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Oh, please because
my little girl gonna say
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she is gonna use
that, middle child syndrome,
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can you say, Anna saying it?
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Seriously, yeah but, I mean--
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Anna is not the
middle child though.
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Oh, no. She is the youngest.
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But there is a middle child--
No, there is no syndrome there.
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Oh, middle school syndrome.
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I know. Even you got that.
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Okay. All right.
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Okay, so?
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But, so just
within the family unit
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I had to fight, you understand,
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because I had an older
sister and then older brother
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and then I had a younger sister
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and a younger
brother in that order.
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So I just have to fight.
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I had to fight for--
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I had to fight for everything
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that I had and so
because of that my dad,
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you know, it's just used
to be very frustrated to them.
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My older sister-- and you know,
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when you have multiple children
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every child has
their own personality.
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Oh yes.
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And you then have to use
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a different
approach for every child
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because my older
sister, her name is Goodness,
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and when I'd say that
she embodies her name.
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She's just good, she's great.
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Good person.
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Everything about
her is great like she--
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She never got
the spanking? Never.
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She was perfect,
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so my parents only had to
tell her to do something once
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and she did it,
no questions asked.
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No nothing.
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So but yours truly--
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Yours truly, what happened?
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Just always in the person
that kind of challenges things
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because I mean, my
sister being older person
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and she grew up in Nigeria,
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so the culture in
Nigeria is more embedded in her
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than it was in me.
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So you know that
automatic level of respect.
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It was just-- No question?
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No questions asked, it
was just yes sir, yes ma'am.
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Even to this day,
she's married with children
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and if my parents
tell her to do something.
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It's done. It's done.
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It's done.
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You know but with
me it was and I guess
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that goes back to
that culture shock,
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it was watching my older sister
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and learning from her in the way
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that she
interacted with my parents
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versus being at
school watching my friends
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because I went to DPS.
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You know, so watching my--
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Detroit Public School.
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Detroit Public School, exactly
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and watching my
friends at school
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and you know they were
kind of sassy with the teacher
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and you know everybody
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had little bit of
attitude and stuff.
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But you didn't, you didn't have?
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No. No I wasn't crazy.
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You did not take that home? No.
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My parents would always say
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the teacher no
reason to lie on me.
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Okay.
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So whatever--
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Check that
attitude at door, that's it.
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Yeah, so I mean so it was,
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but it was still you
know you would kind of--
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I would always kind of
like push things a little,
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see how far I can actually--
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So that led you
into this area of law?
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Yeah, because and,
and my, my teacher,
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my fourth grade teacher
is the one that actually--
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she just is like,
"Look, I see it in you.
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You are gonna be an attorney."
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And I'm like what's an attorney.
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Wow.
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And I just was like whatever
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I don't know what
you are talking about,
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but thank you, you know.
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Are you in touch
with her? Oh, wow.
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I did say, when
everything you know penned out
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and everything
got official right.
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So when get sworn in
I'll definitely find her.
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Well, listen we
already know it's done with,
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we're led by
faith and not by siding.
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Absolutely.
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And we will be looking for
the announcement at the church.
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But let I and, we do announce,
you know, at our Church.
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I understand that
middle child syndrome now.
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Yeah, we both
are middle children.
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No. I am.
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You are?
00:19:21.63\00:19:22.83
Yeah, Dave, Kurt and
me and David and Ronnie.
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But I think it affected
you worse than me, I know.
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No, you didn't
go there? I had to.
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I was, I did. I was.
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And you are. And I'm.
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You know, but that's
a whole another program.
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Yeah, we don't have time
for that right now, yeah.
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But in everything
that you're doing now,
00:19:42.39\00:19:45.24
you know, serving the
church or working on the,
00:19:45.27\00:19:47.29
you know, nominating committee,
00:19:47.32\00:19:49.21
you know why, why do you care
about the structure of church?
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I care about the
structure of the church
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because I see that the church,
00:19:53.66\00:19:57.69
I see that it's like
crumbling a little bit.
00:19:57.72\00:20:01.50
I mean, though its God church,
00:20:01.53\00:20:02.90
and God has His
hand on the church.
00:20:02.93\00:20:04.48
We know that the
church will never fall.
00:20:04.51\00:20:06.72
However you can still
see the bits and pieces
00:20:06.75\00:20:09.37
of the church
kind of falling off.
00:20:09.40\00:20:12.03
So the church as a
whole will never fall apart,
00:20:12.06\00:20:15.31
but I mean, I
think as, you know,
00:20:15.34\00:20:17.50
a member of the
church and someone
00:20:17.53\00:20:19.12
who is convicted by our faith
00:20:19.15\00:20:22.19
it is my duty to the kind
of patch the pieces back up,
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you know, put the
drywall lawn or whatever.
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Oh, no.
00:20:28.71\00:20:29.91
Okay, I can see that
with you and your involvement
00:20:29.94\00:20:35.03
and having an
analytical mind you know
00:20:35.06\00:20:38.50
I can see all
those things within you.
00:20:38.53\00:20:41.38
But we still
have a major problem.
00:20:41.41\00:20:43.79
You know, the
problem is youth your age
00:20:43.82\00:20:47.38
tend to or deviate
away from the church,
00:20:47.41\00:20:51.54
you know, and really
get into their own thing.
00:20:51.57\00:20:54.99
Right.
00:20:55.02\00:20:56.12
How do we win them back?
00:20:56.15\00:20:57.78
Yes, Beauty, how do we
win that generation back?
00:20:57.81\00:21:01.80
I don't even know if I
can answer the question.
00:21:01.83\00:21:07.00
I mean, of course we've
got all the generic answer
00:21:07.03\00:21:11.96
which would be, it's
like catching a rat or a mouse
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you want to put things out that
00:21:17.60\00:21:20.24
that person would be enticed by.
00:21:20.27\00:21:22.98
Or something that you know
that person would want come to,
00:21:23.01\00:21:26.80
something that's
gonna kind of draw them in.
00:21:26.83\00:21:29.24
So it's just the
church's responsibility,
00:21:29.27\00:21:31.28
now they are kind
of find the balance.
00:21:31.31\00:21:33.35
Maintaining our doctrine,
00:21:33.38\00:21:35.26
maintaining our
values and our believes
00:21:35.29\00:21:38.17
and finding out what it is that
00:21:38.20\00:21:41.17
our missing
pieces need to come back.
00:21:41.20\00:21:45.71
And as long as
whatever that they need
00:21:45.74\00:21:47.73
or they want does not go against
00:21:47.76\00:21:49.62
what we believe
or what we value.
00:21:49.65\00:21:52.15
Then I think we
need to figure out
00:21:52.18\00:21:53.87
how to fuse of merge that
and I think that then you know
00:21:53.90\00:21:57.82
we will have our
children or our young adults
00:21:57.85\00:22:00.37
coming back to the church.
00:22:00.40\00:22:01.89
Well, there is a lot
different perspectives on that
00:22:01.92\00:22:05.63
as far as creating new programs,
00:22:05.66\00:22:10.85
trying to do
something that will impact
00:22:10.88\00:22:14.75
that group changing
some of the structure,
00:22:14.78\00:22:21.80
you know, and which I
think may be intriguing,
00:22:21.83\00:22:27.14
I like you
analogy when you're saying
00:22:27.17\00:22:29.15
its like
catching a mouse or a rat
00:22:29.18\00:22:31.05
you had to put something
out there to attract them,
00:22:31.08\00:22:35.20
but what see in that
I still see a barrier
00:22:35.23\00:22:39.91
because after we attract them
00:22:39.94\00:22:42.52
they stay for
awhile and they move on.
00:22:42.55\00:22:45.59
And that's, and
that's where the church needs
00:22:45.62\00:22:48.14
to kind of revisit its approach.
00:22:48.17\00:22:51.20
Yes.
00:22:51.23\00:22:52.26
You know, revisit it's;
00:22:52.29\00:22:53.75
it's not just about
putting on a facade,
00:22:53.78\00:22:57.67
you know, or we don't
want church to be a moneague.
00:22:57.70\00:23:01.70
You know, when you
see it from distance
00:23:01.73\00:23:03.51
it looks so beautiful
but then you walk upon to it,
00:23:03.54\00:23:05.81
it's like what, where are
we what are we doing here?
00:23:05.84\00:23:10.02
So then the
church and its leader
00:23:10.05\00:23:11.98
and the people in
leadership positions
00:23:12.01\00:23:14.31
one of the
reason that I accept it,
00:23:14.34\00:23:16.12
you know, that the, when
the church called I answered.
00:23:16.15\00:23:20.26
But because I feel
like that's the problem,
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you know, when we
have certain people
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in leadership
positions or the people
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who affect you on
your day to day walk
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or your day to day visit
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or on your weekly
experience at church
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the people who have the
largest physical affect on you
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those are the
people who regardless
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that they like it or not,
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those are the people
who keep or push people away
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because those are the
people that you interact,
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you got your church
people, your members and staff
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but if a member
looks at me crazy.
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Hey, you know you just
kind of look at him back
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but if an elder
looks at you crazy
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then your like "oh my."
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You know, like what
did I do or you know
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then you start
feel that judgment.
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When someone in your,
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and that's on the
same level as you,
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you know not to say
that elder on higher level,
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I don't, I don't even just
speak of the elders like said,
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anyone who is in a leadership
position at the church
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those are people who are
tasked with the duty of keeping
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the people within the church.
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Its not just on the members,
the members have their own,
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you know,
responsibilities as well
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but I think that that's
what keeps the people in
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and that's what
pushes the people away.
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Do you think
with-- oh sorry, go ahead.
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Well I guess, what, I was
gonna follow up with that is,
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I truly believe that's
why we need more young people
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to take on leadership positions.
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You know, because
they will able to probably
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address some of those
concerns that they deal with.
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Like we have young people
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who feel they have to be
financial stable in a way
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where it's comfortable to them,
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so two people
work in a household.
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You know, so that means to me
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that the
finances of the household
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which is truly important,
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but it takes the precedent
over everything else, you know.
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Well, we have
about two minutes left.
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No.
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I know, where did it go?
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I need an hour here, you know.
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Now you are working? Yeah.
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And you are with a
law firm here in Michigan.
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I'm, yes.
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And you are on a payroll? Yeah.
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That's a good
thing, it's a good thing,
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you know Praise God.
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Praise God. Yes.
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When, when you deal
with the some the challenges,
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you know, you are
very beautiful young lady,
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you know, very, very humble,
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you're so humble
and but I can see you--
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You, you need to see
the other side of her.
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See the other side, all
right, that's all right.
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You know, the bare--in you,
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I know it comes out
at right time and place.
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You know where
do you see yourself,
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you know, two year in
our last minute and half?
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What's your short term and
long term goals for your life?
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Okay, short term,
becoming an associate in the law
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in the law firm that
I'm currently working for.
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And being a lot more active,
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because I was a
student for so long
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my time was minimal, you know,
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the amount of time
that could actually--
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so that's why I
just kept the things
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I enjoy like the choir,
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doesn't require that much time
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but it's still
my way of serving.
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Yes.
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But now I that, you know,
all I will be doing is working
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and I really won't have
as much studying I mean,
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but maybe I will, you know,
who knows, maybe, you know,
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there'll be another
degree that kind of,
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put me on the show.
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Judgeship.
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Yeah, is that's
something in your future?
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It, it that is
something in my long term goal.
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Yeah, oh I see that's
so Beauty, I see that.
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You know, I make sure
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Arthur stays at
your court, okay.
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Sure.
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Oh, man.
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Your mother and
father must be proud,
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all your
siblings are all educated
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and they're
working nurse, engineer,
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one Business
Street works of a bank,
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you a lawyer and
I'm missing someone?
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He is Jeremiah.
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Jeremiah, he's
at school now, yeah.
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He is doing engineering now.
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If had to-- we got--
you have about 10 seconds.
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Look at that
camera a young person
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like yourself or people have to,
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you know, go beyond the limits?
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"I can do all
things through Christ
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who strengthens me."
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I mean, there is
nothing that you cannot do
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as long as you put
your mind to something,
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you have God in
your corner then you can,
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you can take on any
battle that comes towards you.
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Oh, taking that
beyond the limits.
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That's great. That's right.
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Well, listen I
think you're beautiful,
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Arthur, you
beautiful, I'm beautiful.
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You're beautiful.
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Thank you, I'll appreciate that.
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Listen, we think
you're beautiful.
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Listen, I'm Dr.
Kim Logan-Nowlin.
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And I'm Arthur Nowlin.
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Continue to know that
you can go beyond the limits.
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God bless. God bless.
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