Participants: Arthur Nowlin (Host), Dr Kim Logan-Nowlin (Host), Steven C. Barber
Series Code: MIW
Program Code: MIW000023
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00:01 Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin.
00:02 And I'm Arthur Nowlin. 00:04 Welcome to "Making It Work." 00:37 Arthur, why to continue talking 00:40 about the making of a catastrophe? 00:43 Can you do a recap for those who have 00:44 just joined us for part two? 00:46 Well, basically what we talked about in part one was 00:50 the devastation that African-American males 00:52 and men in general are going through at this point. 00:56 The prison system being a place 00:59 where the men are just overwhelmed with the issues 01:04 of being locked up and dealing with 01:06 that type of environment. 01:08 The men that's being that's missing from the home 01:12 and how do we develop some type of a transition 01:18 to help restore those men back into the home 01:22 or teach our young men how to be men. 01:25 So we would talk about those different aspects. 01:28 Well, we want to continue 01:29 and we want to welcome back Mr. Steven Barber. 01:32 God bless you. 01:33 Thank you. Thank you for having me. 01:35 Well, let's go right into it. 01:36 Yes, ma'am. 01:37 You know, and you have talked about being raised 01:40 as a young child without your father in home. 01:42 Yes. Yes. 01:43 And seeing it in the church 01:45 where you are attending here in Detroit, Michigan. 01:48 So let's talk about some of the concerns 01:51 that you have about the catastrophe 01:53 that the United States and around the globe 01:55 they are facing today. 01:57 Fathers and that being in the home 01:59 whether they're African-American, 02:00 European-American where are the men? 02:04 Well, I want to say 02:05 this is not a new phenomenon that is going on. 02:08 Nowadays we're told in the Bible 02:10 that Christ says take care of 02:12 the fatherless and the widow. 02:13 So fatherlessness it's not a new thing for the church, 02:19 it's not a new thing for society or cultures. 02:21 If God decided that he wanted 02:23 to take care of that or addresses it as such a need 02:27 then it had to have been a problem 02:29 and that He solved the problem that fatherlessness 02:32 would have on not only the children 02:36 but also on the spouse, 02:39 on the family for generations to come. 02:41 Because when you lose the father 02:42 you're losing a entire training aspect 02:45 of the next generation. 02:47 You are taking to stopgap out 02:49 and its something that its such a disconnect 02:53 that Satan try that immediately. 02:56 I like that when you talk about that stopgap. 02:58 You know, it's my first time hearing that. 03:00 You know, is that a term that you came away 03:03 with someone you learned it or heard the stopgap. 03:06 You know, can you go into more detail? 03:08 Okay, what I mean by the stopgap is that 03:11 there is something that, 03:13 you know, something that floats. 03:14 You know, knowledge should flow, 03:17 wisdom should flow, water flows, 03:19 you know, down, down the road 03:20 and things but when you create 03:23 the stop in the gap everything backs up. 03:27 Everything. 03:28 Everything downstream dies, 03:30 everything upstream gets convoluted, 03:32 congested and it forms unnatural bog 03:36 or unnatural swell 03:39 of the things that we're coming for. 03:42 It's kind of like when a beaver makes a dam, 03:44 you know, he goes and he plugs up the stream 03:46 and then people that have relied on that 03:48 water coming downstream, well what happened? 03:50 What happened to the water? 03:51 And but he's up there living in a lap of luxury. 03:53 That you know, and that not only happens with father 03:56 but it happens in business, 03:57 it happens in the school system it happens in government. 04:02 You know, we want certain things to happen 04:05 for everybody 04:06 but certain people want certain things to happen 04:08 only for them and things and people that they know. 04:11 So the stopgap is actually a fault 04:15 or is actually a devastating effect 04:17 and not let-- 04:20 not people but not let progress, thank you. 04:24 Progress proceeds further down so that 04:27 other generations will become better build 04:29 on top of things. 04:31 One of the things that I was thinking about 04:35 while you're talking is basically 04:37 and my references 04:38 to African-American male right now. 04:42 I read a autobiography of Frederick Douglass 04:46 and what he indicated was that it was really necessary 04:50 after slavery in that African-American men 04:54 be protected because whereas they were 04:56 going out to work in the fields 04:58 in different environments what the resentment 05:01 had built up against them, 05:03 you know, to the point where they would be murdered. 05:05 Yes. 05:06 And Frederick Douglass put out a call 05:09 to indicate that that the women should work 05:13 and take care of the African-American men 05:15 until this trend changed, 05:19 until this change will occur and society would accept them. 05:23 You are right. You are right. 05:25 And to think about it this is pre-post slavery 05:30 and if you-- 05:31 pardon my expression. 05:32 But it was pre-- the pre-time before 05:35 when anti-slavery or when slavery was abolished 05:38 all that was still new. 05:40 So people were still looking to hinder that generation, 05:44 because you know they broke up the homes, 05:46 they took this man from this family 05:47 and stuck him over here with this family. 05:49 This man is built very well 05:51 so I'll send him over there to this farm 05:53 and they'll give him a new wife 05:54 but he has kids and children and a wife over here. 05:57 But we're still worse in these kids over here 05:59 because they're probably build up 06:01 and be just as strong and big as their father 06:03 and so will sire them. 06:04 You know, we will have over there 06:06 and we will have him be a bull as he grows up 06:08 and anything about they knows anything about farming 06:10 or farming of animals when you have a bull 06:12 you using them for breeding. 06:13 And that's what they want, that's what they do, 06:16 you know that's what they did. 06:17 And that affect was still so raw in that post, 06:22 pre anti-slavery era that it was-- 06:27 people were still looking out okay, 06:29 well, government says you're free 06:31 but I'm still gonna do to you what I want to do to you. 06:34 So men are getting murder. 06:35 Men are getting grab and taken down south 06:38 to be put into slavery. 06:40 There are still being killed 06:42 or being taken somewhere to be bred. 06:44 So of course in order to protect the man, 06:48 the male aspect women were encouraged to go 06:51 and be a gap or I will say overlay, 06:55 you know, for the man to be protecting. 06:59 And what they did 07:01 that caused a not a problem 07:08 but it caused a protection for the male 07:14 but also caused empowering of the female. 07:16 Yes, it was innovative thinking as well 07:20 because one of the things that we have to remember 07:22 is that this was not something 07:25 that this the men were custom to. 07:28 Because they were really-- they were built, 07:32 I mean they were bred 07:33 and they came to the country 07:35 to work into the cotton fields so they were workers. 07:37 Yes. 07:38 You know and after slavery 07:40 this was something that they felt 07:42 that they can continue to do. 07:44 They thought that they could own their own farms 07:46 and their own land and with some of them dead but-- 07:48 But there were problem. Yes. 07:49 But there were problems. 07:50 And it was that transition that's going on. 07:53 But now were are moving up to today. 07:56 Okay. 07:57 You know, well, we're talking about today, 07:59 I'm thinking more so about the new plantation 08:04 and new plantation to me as what? 08:07 New plantation today is a number of things 08:09 but I'm thinking the workforce. 08:11 And the prison system. 08:12 And the prison system, yes. 08:14 We know because there's a lot of people 08:16 that's in prison right now 08:18 that are working jobs 08:19 that are very beneficial to corporations 08:22 and they don't get paid by change. 08:24 Exactly. Exactly. 08:26 You know so and the prison system is enormous. 08:31 I mean, it is a business. 08:33 If you there are 08:35 Fortune 500 companies right now buying 08:37 and buying prison systems, 08:40 they are building prisons for people to come in 08:43 to send their people or send people to 08:45 so that they can make money. 08:47 Anytime you have a institution 08:49 that is looking into an investment 08:51 a Fortune 500 company 08:53 one of the richest companies in the world 08:55 they are looking for investment, 08:57 they only look at one thing and that's a return on. 08:59 Absolutely. 09:00 They don't care about the people working for them, 09:02 they want to make sure 09:03 that this is gonna make money for them 09:04 and they see that prison system is making money for states, 09:07 it is making money for counties and cities 09:11 and they want a piece of that action too. 09:13 So what they're gonna do 09:14 they're privatizing prisons and they're privatizing jails 09:18 and people can come in-- 09:19 if you had a Fortune 500 company 09:21 you can go in and you can buy a prison 09:23 and you can on staff it for the people 09:26 who you want to staff. 09:28 Okay, so if you want this culture to survive 09:31 you place your system in the middle of that, 09:33 of that culture 09:34 but have your prisoner to shift in. 09:35 That way you're employing people 09:37 and you're also incarcerating and putting people away. 09:40 You know, when I'm read that and saw that I was just upheld. 09:44 I could not believe that this was being done, 09:48 you now, slavery all over again and how it's being implemented. 09:53 And these men even when they need prison 09:57 until they meet with minimum of what $400, $500 10:01 and they serve 10 or 15 years if that-- 10:03 There are some jobs in a prison system 10:06 will allow them to have a little bit more 10:08 depending on how many years they have. 10:10 Because they're different wages 10:12 and different jobs in the system 10:14 but what's even more devastating is the fact 10:18 we still have this same premise 10:20 where men are being taken out of the home, 10:24 you know, and being placed into a different environment, 10:27 taken away from their families. 10:29 Well, we talk about rehabilitation 10:32 and you know rehabilitation should be something 10:34 that really is improved upon to offer an opportunity 10:39 for somebody who may have made a mistake 10:42 to be rehabilitating 10:44 and to move forward in their lives 10:46 to developed by some type of a skill 10:49 or possibly even get a education. 10:52 But before you can rehabilitate you have to hub that will take. 10:56 Like when you say you got to retrain, 10:57 you got to change the way they think, 10:59 the structure, their whole mindset, 11:02 then you can begin the rehabilitation process. 11:05 You know, it's like before you can construct 11:08 we do deconstruction first 11:10 and then we reconstruct the whole process 11:13 and we do that in communication. 11:15 So you know let's talk about 11:17 the rehabilitation of the mindset. 11:19 Yeah, it's funny that you mentioned that 11:21 because just thinking about the prison system 11:23 you're taken out of society and you're put into a system. 11:27 That should be able to rehabilitate you 11:30 but just listen to what Dr. Kim say 11:32 and I love her words. 11:35 The habilitation takes place and basically what you're doing 11:37 is getting indoctrinated to the prison system 11:40 because it's so different from the outside 11:41 it taken away 11:43 a majority of privileges that you have, 11:45 you know, when it comes to certain times of education. 11:48 You know, this means that people 11:49 coming to be doctors and lawyers, 11:51 access to libraries and computers, 11:54 school system, all kind of things. 11:56 People will come out ready to take on the world, 11:59 getting encourage, 12:00 getting strengthen in their system. 12:02 Martin Luther King, you know, when he was in jail 12:04 wrote some of most powerful sermon, 12:06 you know, that in letters 12:07 that you know can come to mind. 12:09 Nelson Mandela kept his mind sharp 12:11 in the prison system by writing and contact, 12:14 and keeping in contact with the men and women 12:17 his people outside of the prison system. 12:19 But now you have-- we have gang relations 12:23 and we have a system that is bringing you down, 12:27 whereas before you can go in and rehabilitate yourself. 12:31 Now you are becoming habilitate, 12:32 so when you come out you're already used to a system 12:37 and you tend to stay in that systematic frame of thinking 12:42 and you don't feel comfortable until you go back in. 12:45 Which also causes us to look at another issue 12:51 that is very vast and that does back on black crime. 12:56 Yes it is. 12:57 You know, so we're talking about 12:59 dealing with issues 13:01 where our men are killing each other you know. 13:05 So we know all these tragedies are happening, 13:09 how do we resolve this? 13:10 How do we come up with some viable solutions 13:13 to help our men and get back into their homes 13:18 and develop the type of children 13:20 that's gonna be beneficial to society? 13:23 What do we need to do? 13:25 The first thing we need to do is talk to our men. 13:28 It sound so simple and, you know, oh well, 13:30 we know we are the profound thinkers, 13:32 we are the people that that say 13:33 we need to come up with a program 13:36 and have a afternoon program 13:38 or have a rally or some different things. 13:42 You can reach so many different people 13:44 about speaking to them on a one-on-one basis 13:47 and most men our one-on-one conversations. 13:50 You can approach somebody one-on-one 13:53 and just address them and it starts at a young age. 13:56 You know so if you're in church 13:58 and you see a young man standing of by self 14:00 just approach that young man and speak to him. 14:02 You don't have to go and ask him how his grades are going. 14:05 As you looking at girls or, you know hey, 14:07 you should be wearing it's-- 14:08 I don't go there. 14:09 Speak to them 14:10 and just get to know them on a friendly basis. 14:12 Hi, how you doing today? I like what you're wearing. 14:15 I see you held up door open for Sister Johnson 14:18 as she came and you know I encourage you in that. 14:20 That is something that man in training, 14:22 you know, wants to do and I hope you look forward 14:25 to be coming in reaching them, that state of manhood. 14:28 Start letting him and give him expectations 14:30 that he's looking you know, he want to look forward to. 14:33 You see him running to do these things after a while. 14:36 He will be running to be a deacon 14:37 and collect the offering. 14:38 He will be running to hold the door of Sister Johnson 14:41 but not only to Johnson but Sister Betty, 14:42 Sister Kyle, Sister Sue. 14:44 Right. Right, right. 14:45 The whole family, the whole nine yards 14:47 and because they're hungry 14:48 and they want to do these things 14:50 and it doesn't stop, it doesn't stop. 14:52 So it doesn't matter how old they are 14:53 or how young they are but it's best to start 14:56 with the foundation is being laid. 14:58 That way they don't have to go back 15:00 and double check or crossover, 15:03 you know, some of the things that have been done. 15:05 And that's just for this group. 15:06 Now to reach the older men, 15:09 you speak to one another but you engage them. 15:12 You challenge them about some. 15:13 I'm not talking about what happened on the lines, 15:16 not now have what happened on football game 15:18 or how the prisoners demand, 15:19 you know, that scratching the surface. 15:21 Give them something to go back and research 15:25 because men love to work. 15:27 I research everything. 15:28 You know, if I'm gonna go buy a iPad or phone or something 15:32 I'll get on my computer, my wife what's you're doing? 15:33 Oh, man, you're over here researching and doing the same. 15:36 What you are gonna buy? 15:37 I'm buying a digital camera 15:39 so our research about 10 cameras 15:40 and well them down until I finally decide 15:42 this is the camera I want. 15:44 But when I get the camera 15:45 I want I get the effects I want. 15:46 I get the, I get what I'm looking for. 15:49 And everybody's like well, I like the pictures you take. 15:51 That's because I did my research. 15:53 I did my research for the school I want. 15:55 I did my research for the job I want. 15:57 I do my research for the clothes I want. 15:59 Now I go to the Macy's and get, 16:00 you know, hit the clearance rack. 16:02 You know but I know which name brands 16:06 have the better material. 16:07 Oh, yeah. 16:08 Which ties hang lower, you know, 16:10 on me show up better against my suits and shirts. 16:15 So I know where I want to go and what I'm looking for 16:18 and there's nothing wrong with that. 16:19 I mean, that's what men do. 16:21 They challenge themselves 16:22 and we need to challenge each other 16:24 in society now, you know, more and more today. 16:27 We talked about mentoringship on part one. 16:31 You know. Yes. 16:32 And I think that it has to be mentioned again 16:36 because to me that's vital 16:38 in trying to resolve some of the issues 16:40 that men are facing. 16:42 They need someone to take interests 16:44 as what you indicated, 16:46 but they need someone that they can be able to call 16:50 and talk about their issues, talk about their problems. 16:54 Lot of men are secretive, 16:57 we don't want to reveal anything about ourselves 17:00 and it's really difficult. 17:02 So they have to get to a point where we have to encourage them 17:06 to take a risk to share their feelings, 17:09 you know. 17:10 And but that comes along 17:12 the lines of the relationship that you are building. 17:14 It's not gonna happen, you know, right of the rib, 17:16 you know, 17:17 right of the beginning when you're say hey, man, 17:19 tell me how you feel? 17:21 Who are you? 17:22 You know, I won't tell you how 17:25 But men are guarded. They are guarded. 17:26 They are very guarded. 17:27 And is nothing psychologically 17:29 we just we're protective of ourselves, 17:32 of our feelings, of our family. 17:33 Anything that's close to us we're very protective of. 17:36 And who can be closer to us than ourselves? 17:38 Then we know especially if we don't know well, 17:40 God who wants to be there for us and can be there for us. 17:44 So the best thing we know is ourselves. 17:46 How we guard ourselves? 17:48 Ever see somebody so don't mess with my daughter, 17:50 did you hear that? 17:51 You know, don't mess with my wife. 17:52 You know, don't mess with my kids. 17:53 Don't mess with my money. 17:54 Right. Right. Or my food. 17:56 My food. That's all right. 17:58 That's why you are more eating. 18:00 You know, not the wife, 18:03 but I'm just-- I mean he did. 18:06 I'm tell other people not for me. 18:07 Not for me? Not for me. 18:09 He has a whole another show. 18:11 Oh, in another program. He is delivering message. 18:13 Don't mess with my food, that's right. 18:14 That's right. 18:17 You trying yourself being very involved with 18:21 and you have a daughter and you have a son. 18:22 Yes. 18:24 You know on the corporal punishment 18:26 where is your stand on corporal punishment? 18:28 How do you discipline you son? 18:31 I believe in discipline which is derived from disciple. 18:37 I spank my kids but there's a difference 18:40 between spanking and beating. 18:41 I don't believe I've ever gotten past two swats 18:45 with either my children. 18:46 And but they know that daddy means business, 18:48 you know, when you finishes and I spank through close 18:52 so its not like stripped-down let me get to the skin 18:54 or when you just come out the shower 18:55 and your skin is tender. 18:57 Now you have let them know 18:59 that daddy means business and you-- 19:01 when I spank it's after I've told you 50 times 19:06 and after I have taken you and shown you, 19:08 you know this is what I mean. 19:09 This is what I wanted to 19:11 because now it's becoming that your, 19:13 you know, in your mindset 19:14 daddy knows I want this to be done 19:17 and I'm not gonna do it or I forgotten or something. 19:22 So I'm bringing your attention to the fact 19:24 that this is serious. 19:27 This is serious business. 19:28 This can be a life or death decision for you. 19:31 This can be a life-changing decision for you. 19:34 This can be a job making decision for you. 19:37 If you learn how to keep a home, 19:39 if you learn how to put your toys away. 19:41 I mean, I can't tell you, 19:42 I mean, somehow come down stepped on cars 19:44 and dolls and you know, 19:46 naked Barbie's when I was trying to-- 19:49 you know I can't tell you how times that's happened. 19:51 I'm like put your toys away. 19:53 When you finish your dishes 19:54 go scrape the refuse in the trash 19:57 if there's any refuse and put it in the sink. 20:00 And my daughter is she's Johnny on the spot. 20:02 Is just like me in the mind and she is like mommy, 20:06 you did put your plate in the sink. 20:08 She is like okay well, I'll put it in. 20:09 No daddy want's you to put that plate in the sink. 20:12 And my son wants to go to church with a tie on 20:15 because daddy goes to church with tie on. 20:17 And it's the nonverbal that we see and that we do. 20:20 Seeing by example. 20:22 Exactly. Seeing by example. 20:23 Now some will say corporal punishment is like 20:26 we tell our daughter is, is the time we don't-- 20:30 she's doing really well now. 20:31 She's older, 20:32 she's 12 by there was a time attitude adjustment thing. 20:36 You know, I never remember a pastor say that, 20:38 he give his children attitude adjustment. 20:40 You know, he helps them to rise to a higher level. 20:43 You know, with the switch 20:45 or I used to get the switch back in the day 20:48 or you know but that term remember back in my day-- 20:51 you are younger than I am Steve, 20:52 but you know, Kim Janice, 20:55 and you just, you just freeze, Kim Janice. 20:57 Don't let my mom or my dad to say it twice, you know. 21:01 They used to beat you or assault. 21:03 Yes, Arthur, its before your time. 21:05 Man, I cannot imagine-- 21:06 I got the switch, I got the belt, 21:09 I even got the extension cord, you know what-- 21:12 My mommy, my choice is big bush outside of the Obans church 21:19 and they have the best switches. 21:21 Oh, my goodness time you get them going into the church. 21:24 I think they missed a few-- 21:25 No, no, no. 21:27 You know, that's how-- 21:29 But again I was heart hated and my mom was-- 21:32 That's why I said they missed a few spanks. 21:33 But my mom said listen, don't let me call you twice. 21:37 You know, we would hear the term you'll be six feet under. 21:39 Okay. 21:40 Or get out of grown folks business. 21:42 You know, because children today, 21:44 you know, you know we have children having children. 21:47 We have our young girls becoming grandmother at 25, 35. 21:51 Oh, in their 38. Thirty eight, grandmother. 21:54 Thirty five well, its no time and you know 21:55 because it's chance, you know. 21:57 You know and they will-- well baby raising babies. 22:00 I had a manager at a job that was 30-years-old 22:02 had a 15-year-old daughter who just had a baby. 22:04 And is when I was in high school. 22:06 Okay. 22:07 I was sitting there look at that I was like, 22:09 so I'll think about it now I was 15 I'm 42 now 22:13 so when I turned 30 I said 22:16 I'm wondering if the generational iniquity 22:19 has passed on and now is she at home 22:23 or 45-year-old great-grandmother. 22:25 Well, it will pass on unless she has made a decision 22:30 to take the risk 22:31 and hear a different way of living her life. 22:35 You know, because just like for many of us 22:39 who been in a family with other siblings 22:42 and I had been in a family where our parents 22:45 may have done certain things we have to recognize 22:48 that does things that may have been 22:51 detrimental to the family are things that 22:54 we don't want to carry into our home families. 22:57 So we have to really, really be mentored 23:00 and understand what's important and what's not important. 23:04 You know, another thing is that, 23:08 you know, in solutions, you know, 23:11 how do we get to the point 23:13 where I'm trying to change their behavior 23:17 or the thinking pattern of someone 23:19 that's been on in the streets, 23:21 you know, been on their own 23:23 because of whatever tragedy thing had 23:26 in their families they don't feel 23:28 connected to their families. 23:30 What should we do I mean, in order to win them over 23:34 or get them to think it different way? 23:37 Well, we will follow Christ method. 23:39 Christ would go in and find out what is meaningful to you. 23:43 What you're hungry for? What you're thirsty for? 23:45 Somebody that hasn't been raised in a church 23:47 or is disconnected with the family 23:48 my see a family that is close and that is connected. 23:51 So what Christ would do, 23:52 He would go and ask that person hey, 23:54 what's up with that family over there? 23:56 You know, how are they able to talk and speak so fluently 23:59 not bringing attention to your own family, 24:01 or to your own situation. 24:03 But bring attention to where you want to be. 24:06 You know, he wants you to lay in the well. 24:08 Hey, I can vive you water that you know, 24:10 will never thirst again. 24:11 He's addressing her situation. 24:13 He's not, He's not even addressing the fact 24:15 that she may be thirsty. 24:17 But, hey, I can give you 24:18 something that you don't think I have. 24:20 And she is like where can I get this water? 24:22 Where can I get this? 24:23 So with dialogue that's when it comes onboard. 24:26 He encouraged the disciples when He, 24:28 when He approached them. 24:29 Someone says I can't follow you know now, 24:31 I have, I have a money situation, 24:34 I have to pay taxes. 24:35 He's says go over there and catch a fish. 24:37 And when they catch the fish, look in his mouth, 24:39 look this now quarter pay your taxes. 24:41 Come on follow Me. 24:42 That's what I'm saying He will address your situation 24:44 just right off the bat, 24:46 right of the rib but He wants you to come in 24:48 and follow Him and take you in a row 24:51 that you will never see coming. 24:52 Who know to go look in a fish's mouth for some gold? 24:55 Gold. Gold. 24:57 You know, who knew to go looking for 24:59 at a whale for finding living water. 25:01 Who knew to go do that? 25:02 You better preach see, you see. 25:05 And that's so relevant because we're in a time now 25:11 where we need to find the fish, 25:14 we need to go to the whale and get the living water. 25:17 Thus we need our men, 25:19 we need to do whatever is necessary 25:21 to bring them back to their family, 25:23 to help them recognize that is important for them. 25:28 Steve, what's happening now with media 25:31 and with all the distractions that are out there they men-- 25:36 young men and some men who I have been dealing with 25:40 at difficult situations feel that there is no hope. 25:44 Yes, they do. You know so-- 25:45 That they are told that. 25:46 Yeah, we need to find a way to let them know 25:49 just by listening to you, 25:51 you are motivated to go out there 25:55 and to tell them there's a different way. 25:58 I've been through some stuff man, 25:59 I mean every and I can say that for every man 26:01 that is watching, you know, 26:03 right now we have been through some stuff 26:05 and I'm quoting everybody. 26:06 We have been through some stuff or society gets us down. 26:11 You know, we're told we're no good. 26:12 They labelled us dogs, they say we're lazy, 26:15 we can't do, we can't hold a job. 26:17 These are things that are meant to discourage us. 26:20 What we have to do is, we have to look to our boss 26:23 and as our boss is not the people 26:25 pulling and tugging at us, trying to throw jeers at us. 26:29 Well, our boss is God and we have to 26:31 and God will look at us say you're My son. 26:33 You are My son. 26:35 You are prince oh, you know, 26:36 you are my chief steward over everything I've given you. 26:38 That house, that family, that home, 26:41 oh your community your chief steward 26:43 and I want to hold you accountable 26:44 but I'm going to equip you above 26:46 and beyond anything you can imagine. 26:48 And He's gonna be putting you through everything 26:50 that he's putting you through in your life right now 26:53 I want to courage everybody, 26:54 everything that God is putting you through 26:56 is destined to be the strength 26:59 and the building block that you gonna stand 27:01 on to preach His word. 27:03 I guarantee you that 27:04 because life is made up of choices and things 27:08 and God is the one that is going to-- 27:12 He is setting up and orchestrating 27:15 your pre-eminence or your-- 27:18 not discipleship but your greatness 27:22 and your structure over everything 27:23 that He has set you over and then well, 27:25 He turns you loose. 27:27 When He turns you loose you're gonna have so much with, 27:30 some so much now that people gonna come to you and say, 27:33 well, how can I loose and went back 27:34 to the same situation ten years ago. 27:36 That's right. That's right. 27:37 Ten years ago and you're able to mentor to this brother. 27:39 You able to mentor to this sister. 27:41 You are able to encourage 27:42 that husband to be a better husband. 27:44 Encourage that son to be a better son. 27:46 Tell them boys to pull their pants up. 27:48 You can just do that off the rib. 27:49 You know, you got to be out there working on and on-- 27:51 All right, I got to stop you guys. 27:53 You know, our time is up, our time is up. 27:56 Is that so? 27:57 I want one more hour to talk to. 27:59 I can't believe it. Something happened. 28:03 Something went missing, Steve. 28:05 Listen, we ask that God be with you 28:08 and your family and greatness has come, 28:11 we didn't get chance to talk about it 28:12 but I know God is-- 28:13 He is prepared you on the foundation 28:15 and where he will be leading your life. 28:17 God bless and your family. 28:19 Listen, you don't have to have a catastrophe, 28:21 we can work it out together with prayer and God. 28:25 I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin. 28:26 I'm Arthur Nowlin. 28:28 Continue to make it work. 28:29 God bless. God bless. |
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