Participants: Arthur Nowlin (Host), Dr Kim Logan-Nowlin (Host), John Bordach
Series Code: MIW
Program Code: MIW000014
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00:01 Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin. And I'm Arthur Nowlin.
00:03 And welcome to "Making it Work." 00:37 Today we're talking about the "Last Call." 00:40 Arthur, why the last call? 00:42 Well, there are some issues that exist with many of us 00:46 and today we have a special guest here, 00:48 basically dealing with substance abuse issues. 00:51 Well, why don't you introduce our special guest? 00:52 Well, today we have John Bordach. 00:56 And John, welcome to our show. 00:58 It's my honor to be here. It really is. 01:00 We're really pleased to have you here 01:02 and basically what I'm asking you to do right now 01:05 is just give us an insight about 01:07 what has happened to you last year and a half. 01:10 Last year and a half I've gone through a transformation 01:13 that probably most people would not believe 01:15 unless they witnessed it. 01:17 And I happened-- what happened to me was, 01:20 I was in such bad shape to alcohol abuse, 01:24 physically, psychologically, spiritually 01:27 that I was pretty much unrecognizable 01:29 as human being. 01:30 Really? Yeah. 01:32 And I was hospitalized into my subsequent recovery 01:35 and through the grace of God, I'm with you today. 01:39 So how has this experience changed your life? 01:43 About 180 degrees. 01:46 I'd been drinking for approximately 40 years. 01:48 Oh, my goodness. 01:49 And when the physical nature of the disease 01:53 finally, you know, took over and I was succumbing to that 01:58 and my family deemed it was time 02:00 to make a move into the hospital. 02:02 I went and under I want. Okay, wait a minute. 02:07 Explain to us what do you mean under. 02:08 I was basically on the list of he's not coming home. 02:12 Really? 02:13 I was in a coma, alcohol induced, pretty much. 02:17 My systems were failing, my liver was shutting down, 02:19 my kidneys had shut down, 02:22 my blood does basically an oil refinery 02:26 and this-- they worked very hard to get me to the point 02:30 where I could actually have a chance in surviving it. 02:34 Now up until that point you didn't really realize 02:38 that you were as bad as 02:40 where as just life-threatening for you? 02:43 No, and it add to my situation I think 02:47 comes the same agreement with themselves, 02:49 that it's not my fault, 02:50 I don't feel that bad, this is fine. 02:54 When in truth the opposite is what's going on 02:57 and one of the hard things about addiction 02:59 is to come to the fact of reality 03:02 that yeah, that is me and it is my fault. 03:05 Now how can I be helped? 03:08 And I turn to obviously the three things drive me 03:11 in my life is my faith in God, 03:14 I trust my doctors and I believe in myself. 03:17 And God puts the belief in ourselves right there 03:21 so that we can utilize that along with His grace 03:25 and His power to make us change to the fact 03:28 that its not just for today or tomorrow but permanency. 03:33 Now, it comes to a point like you say 03:35 you were drinking for 40 years. 03:37 Correct. 03:38 Had it come to a point where you, you say you believe in God 03:42 but you didn't have a relationship with God? 03:45 No I had a very nebulous understanding of God. 03:49 I knew there was this brain being out there, 03:53 I didn't give Him a name, I didn't expect help, 03:56 I didn't ask for anything. 03:58 I just sort of though blew the idea off 04:02 because, you know, I'm invincible. 04:05 You know, nobody can touch me until you find out your not. 04:09 And then when God steps and insists 04:11 yes, what can I do for you? 04:14 It's not glad that so much is what can I do for God? 04:19 How about your family, 04:20 how did they respond to what was happening? 04:23 They were stalwarts. 04:24 When they finally understood the depth, 04:26 my wife Beverly took over immediately 04:29 and my brother and sister, very supportive. 04:32 My parents have been gone long time. 04:34 I think one of the things that drove me 04:37 to addiction of alcohol abuse, family upbringing. 04:41 There was lot of alcohol around our neighborhood, 04:43 in our family and my mother passed away 04:45 when I was 16, her age 54. 04:49 And it was an alcohol related illness. 04:51 And I started in the restaurant field, 04:55 hospitality for 30 years 04:57 and that's a very easy place to get involved 04:59 in addictions of various types. 05:02 Now drugs, alcohol and things like that it's all around you. 05:05 Let me ask a question, what do you think 05:07 was the major influence for you to begin drinking? 05:12 Fun. It's for fun. 05:14 And it was a way of rebelling in somewhat, at a young age 05:19 and as a rebellion turned into you have to govern yourself. 05:22 As you get older that aspect 05:24 totally lost my life as far as control 05:27 and the alcohol had taken over by my mid 20s, early 30s 05:32 and I was succumbing every day. 05:35 And as time went by, my amount of, 05:39 you know, of drinking increased and to the point 05:43 where as--a year and half ago I was on death's door 05:49 and it was a gradient that didn't happen overnight 05:52 and you don't see it. 05:53 You don't see it. 05:54 That was another question I was thinking about 05:57 as you were talking. 05:59 Many times you really don't see what's going on. 06:02 You know, you don't get feel 06:04 that this type of circumstance can happen 06:08 after experiencing long addiction, 06:10 you know, such as what, 40 years of drinking. 06:13 Correct. 06:14 And then another thing 06:16 I'm piggybacking on what Kim was saying. 06:19 You had a family origin that was drinking, 06:23 you know, so this was acceptable lifestyle? 06:25 Yeah, blue collar and that there wasn't a lot to do. 06:28 You know, father worked afternoons 06:30 at Ford for 41 years, 06:33 my mom raised my siblings and myself. 06:36 My brother and sister were much old than I was, 06:39 so they waited 11 years to have perfection. 06:44 The influence is there in from when I was a small child. 06:47 The parties, every holiday, every backyard barbecue 06:50 there's just tons of alcohol involved. 06:53 All the neighbors, it's blue-collar, 06:55 certainly I don't want to blame them 06:57 that so much as it is just at time 07:00 the social moralities allowed that more 07:02 and people didn't understand what we understand now. 07:06 Now you went into a recovery process, 07:09 apparently you went into one addiction facilities or that? 07:12 Yeah, I went into an addiction facility 07:14 in Canton, Michigan, Oakdale and they're quite helpful. 07:20 They have a very difficult job 07:21 because you got 70 or so residents, 07:24 70 or so different personalities 07:25 and 70 or so different cases. 07:28 You can't put a blanket over it. 07:29 Every individual has their own type of addiction in the way 07:34 as far as level as far as want's done to them 07:37 and what's done to people around them. 07:40 And they focused a lot on God, 07:44 in getting a start in the right direction, 07:46 in with that as an anchor point. 07:49 Because they know that when they leave 07:50 but people go there is not gonna be 07:52 a hundred percent success. 07:54 There's a lot of recidivism 07:56 when you let people on the street 07:57 that have not come to the conclusion 07:59 that God is in charge. 08:02 And that you have to answer to yourself, to Him 08:06 and to people around you. 08:07 Had you had several relapses to this 08:10 when you said to yourself, 08:11 I'm gonna do this and then you went back out again? 08:14 Yeah, that was in October 2009, 08:17 I believe it was when I was first into rehab. 08:20 Well, it was that winter actually, 2009 08:23 and when I got out two weeks later 08:25 I said, boy, I beat this thing. 08:27 This is great, I'm fine. 08:28 That last until October, 08:30 I was up hunting by myself in the northern woods 08:33 and I said, well, do have party started, 08:35 just one is not going to hurt. 08:39 The 12 months, 13 months later I'm in Beaumont Hospital 08:44 and they're trying to unhook things. 08:47 So I-- you know I thought I gave it a good shot 08:50 but in the end I wasn't thinking of God at the time. 08:53 So you really believe that the Lord spared your life, 08:57 you know, for a purpose? 08:58 Absolutely, absolutely for purpose. 09:00 When I woke from my alcohol coma 09:04 and I looked around me, 09:06 the first crushing thought that I ahead of time 09:09 as I came was the four words, who can you help today? 09:15 That was intended for me to hear. 09:18 Yes. 09:19 Then I knew that God had given me 09:21 some kind of mission or ministry 09:22 that I would go out 09:24 and try to help people in my circumstance 09:26 before it is too late. 09:28 You know, I escaped by a hair, you know, there's many people 09:32 that are closed to that, so maybe not close, 09:35 it still need to know that the Lord is in charge. 09:39 And that is the key. 09:41 God is in charge, God is in control of our lives. 09:44 And the Bible says in Philippians 3:14 09:47 "I can do all things through Christ 09:49 which strengthens me." 09:50 Not some things, not little things, but all. 09:54 And at times we tend to want to tie God's hands. 09:56 Don't tie God's hand. 09:58 God can free us all from any addiction. 10:01 And now, how are you now, John? 10:03 You know, tells about what are you doing now? 10:06 Well, my church that I chose to join 10:08 is in Durban Heights area 10:10 and the family there has been absolutely sterling 10:14 in taking me in and teaching me 10:18 and whenever there is a little problem 10:20 or glitch in my system they're there. 10:23 And it's just been a glorious opportunity for me 10:27 not just to learn about the Lord 10:29 but to actually communicate through Him 10:34 what is the proper thing to do 10:35 because every morning there is a message. 10:39 And it's still the same one for me, who can you help today? 10:43 Do you have a favorite scripture 10:44 that you stand by or stand on? 10:46 Well, John 23 is always the number one. 10:50 Why? Because it's so profound. 10:52 It explains Jesus very succinctly 10:56 and I believe that the people, even that one scripture 11:00 and there are some in Matthew that I really do enjoy. 11:03 And as far as the Old Testament, 11:05 any story of Abraham is very well worth studying. 11:10 Amen. You like stories, don't you? 11:12 Yeah, I've been known to spin a tale. 11:16 I think your excellent storyteller, 11:18 and as a matter of fact, 11:20 one of things that I recognize when I first met you was that 11:24 you had exceptional skills in telling stories. 11:28 Some of them are even true. 11:30 I can believe that, you know, 11:31 because you're an author as well, is that correct? 11:34 Yes I penned my first book and you are instrumental 11:37 to get me to think in that direction 11:39 and I'm very happy to get that as a start to a lot of people 11:43 to understand what an addict's life is like. 11:47 And, you know, to some of it's humorous, 11:49 some of it's tragic but I just hope it affects 11:52 somebody out there, somewhere. 11:54 You have no problem telling your testimony, 11:57 being transparent, you know. 11:59 Why are you so open, you know, even to come here on 12:02 "Making it Work" to be able to tell your story? 12:04 And I understand, today well, who can I help today, 12:08 you know, because people tend not to want to be transparent. 12:11 They don't want to let people know 12:13 because we know secrets can kill. 12:14 They can destroy lives. Absolutely. 12:16 You know, but you saved your life to be so transparent. 12:20 Well, you can't help anybody if they don't see who you are. 12:23 Excellent. 12:24 You know, they are-- you have to be 12:26 able to put yourself out there as much as possible 12:30 and hide nothing. 12:31 To gain their trust number one, and number two, 12:34 from your own standpoint, from my own standpoint 12:37 if I don't explain who I am then I don't feel 12:40 I have all the tools available to me, 12:43 to be able to help anyone out. 12:45 Let me go back to family, you know, your wife, Beverly. 12:49 While you were going through this process, 12:52 you know, was it hard for her to see you in this condition 12:56 or had she come to the realization 12:59 that you are gonna leave her? 13:03 She had known for quite some time 13:05 and did her best to stop it. 13:08 When everything came to ahead, 13:12 she stuck by me and till this day 13:17 she's still my chauffeur until doctors say otherwise 13:21 and she's my physician at home 13:23 with keeping my prescriptions all normal 13:26 if I missing by half hour, I'm hearing about it. 13:29 Yes. 13:30 And her work with me has kept me on the path 13:34 that I am on now, which is forward. 13:38 And you know its typical marriage, 13:39 we always have a little ups and downs. 13:41 Who doesn't? 13:46 I want to tumble that with you. 13:48 Now you can't live with that too. 13:50 But, you know, it's instrumental. 13:51 You have the people around you 13:53 that are gonna be resources to you 13:56 and that having a faith in you and love you so much 14:00 that they will be able to sacrifice on their own. 14:02 That's amazing. 14:03 To be able to help you along and as it goes, 14:06 it goes very notice 14:08 she might not think it sometime. 14:10 Some things I do are still not quite right 14:13 but at the same time-- 14:14 But that's marriage too 14:15 I mean, you're working on relationships. 14:17 But at the same time I don't know 14:18 if anybody on this earth that I ever met 14:20 that will take on the job that she took on-- 14:22 That's amazing. That's amazing. 14:25 A loving wife. 14:26 Children, you have children and grandchildren? 14:28 Two adults and six grandchildren, 14:31 three greats, not bad for 106. 14:35 But they're all good solid family and, you know, 14:39 the holidays are always well noted. 14:42 So my checkbook notes it quite a bit. 14:45 And let me, let me-- just give some, Kim. 14:47 Let me ask this question okay, we talked about family, 14:50 what about friends? 14:51 Now, well, you know at 40 years you develop some friends 14:54 that are strictly drinking partners, you know. 14:56 So how was that, you know, the transition for you? 15:00 Well, that is one on the main cause of being an addict is 15:04 because you're accepted into a part of society 15:08 that has the same problem you have 15:09 and it's like, hey, look at us, aren't we great? 15:13 You know, I'm not against, 15:14 you know, going to a football game 15:16 and, you know, hoisting a couple 15:17 or something like that, that's fine. 15:20 It's just a matter of when it get's 15:21 to be an excess so I can out-drink you 15:23 and that's the kind of friends that I was with. 15:26 Now my friends are different. 15:27 Amazingly, lot of the people I mentioned in my book 15:29 are coming back into my life from 25, 30 years ago 15:34 and saying we wonder what happened to you. 15:35 As I was saying, the friends that I've made 15:39 and the ones that are coming back 15:40 are different than the ones I had before. 15:42 My new friends are very God driven, 15:47 family centered people. 15:50 The ones before were basically, what's in it for me 15:55 and I found that a lot in the chosen career I took. 16:00 You know the hospitality business 16:01 is very noble business 16:03 and I worked in some very fine places 16:06 and it's a learning experience about human beings in general 16:09 but the temptations of the alcohol on site 16:13 and I don't know how many wine tasting 16:15 and things like that are to 16:17 and after a while you think I'm a pro, 16:18 I can do this. 16:19 But in reality you're a rookie for your whole life at this. 16:24 You know, there's no learning in alcoholism. 16:27 It comes afterward when God says time for the lesson. 16:31 Have you learned it because I don't have talk 16:33 to you much anymore if you've learned it, 16:35 but I'll be here for you. 16:37 You know, our topic today is the "Last Call" 16:40 and in society or in the world in nightclubs and bars 16:46 and places where alcohol is served 1:30, 2 o'clock a.m. 16:50 the last call, the last round for drinks 16:53 but it is more significant to John 16:55 because the last call was his life 16:59 and the imprints of that and the forth-- 17:01 I mean, you woke up and you said you had the tubes 17:04 and you were connected to 17:05 all these wires in the hospital, 17:08 what-- that mindset did you think 17:10 I'm gonna die, this is it for me? 17:13 By that point when I was fully conscious, 17:16 I knew that God was there to help me. 17:19 And He wouldn't go me 17:20 that point to be hooked up ahead, 17:22 you know, fire hose, 17:23 putting blood into me and things like that. 17:26 He wouldn't allow me to that point 17:27 if there wasn't a purpose. 17:29 Right then I started seeing a little bit of a purpose. 17:32 It wasn't I had been listening very hard to come by 17:34 what it actually was but then as time went by 17:37 and I started gradually little better, 17:39 little better, little better than I saw it fully, 17:41 that God wants me on this earth to provide something. 17:45 Has been no relapse? You've been clean since when? 17:49 It'll be, let's see, 19 months me and 15 days. 17:55 That is wonderful. Congratulations. 17:56 Every day is a different day. Every day is a different day. 17:58 New one day at a time. One day at a time. 18:00 That's true. That is quite true. 18:02 A lot of people say, oh, I've got this licked. 18:04 No you don't. That's really powerful. 18:07 Now tell me about your motivation for life now. 18:12 You know, what does this whole ordeal mean to you 18:16 and what are some of the desires that you have? 18:19 Well, my motivation in life right now is number one, 18:22 God has given this opportunity to help people if I can, 18:26 whatever regard it takes to help 18:28 someone along even simplest thing. 18:31 Few weeks back, my wife and I were leaving church 18:33 and this very elderly lady standing outside 18:36 and she did not have a ride. 18:37 She walked all the way there, almost two miles 18:40 and we said, you know, and God put me in that position 18:43 at that time to open a door and see this lady there. 18:46 It's tiny, tiny things like that 18:48 that showed His presence or the larger things. 18:51 Well, actually can save a life by some be 18:54 you know, to paraphrase the baseball pitcher 18:57 and author Jim Bowden. 18:59 "You spend your whole life gripping a beer bottle 19:02 and in the end you turned to find out 19:03 it's the other way all around," 19:05 you know, the all time you know is the other way. 19:09 The beer bottles gripping-- 19:11 When you get to that point then you have a realization 19:16 and then when God gives you the message and says 19:19 it's time to do something then you do it. 19:21 And I've been fulfilled in that regard 19:23 because number one, my health has returned 19:25 a not a hundred percent 19:27 and she still got to be the pill person everyday 19:29 and make sure I'm on that regiment 19:31 but I've been able to get back into my beloved outdoors, 19:36 helping on a refuge down south Detroit to restore 19:39 the Wildlife Refuge down there, at Humbug Marsh. 19:42 I've been able to do my own gardening timely 19:44 and little things you know here and there, 19:47 I look forward to actually tromping through the woods 19:49 someday again on my own unencumbered. 19:53 But those are the things the blessings 19:55 that God is bringing back to me. 19:57 And my mind is cleared up 19:58 so I can actually read a book now. 20:00 I couldn't read a book before. Couldn't read a book. 20:02 Hey, and you're also concerned 20:04 to go back to college is that correct? 20:05 Yes, I've enrolled at Madonna University in Livonia 20:09 and I start my series, basically in addiction studies 20:15 and I hope to be certified in addiction studies 20:17 by the end of the second semester 20:20 and then my adviser looked at me 20:22 and said, John, I got your transcripts 20:24 from your old school 20:25 why don't you finish your bachelor in psych? 20:28 I said, well, as long as I can be like Arthur Nolin. 20:33 That's a lot of hard work there, John. 20:35 No, but I'm working forward to that 20:37 and that is a goal that God has given me. 20:39 Yes. Because He knows I can do it. 20:43 He's given me the strength and every day when I wake up 20:46 He is there help me to crack that computer code 20:49 to get on those sites and get ready to go. 20:53 And that's just now up to my brain to figure out 20:55 if I still have study habits and keep things retaining. 20:59 Well, I was gonna come back to you know, 21:01 what I think about what did you said, 21:03 I think about Hebrews 11:1 21:05 "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, 21:08 the evidence of things not seen." 21:10 You have a faith of a mustard seed, 21:12 God will give you desires of your heart. 21:13 Absolutely. 21:14 And He hears you John, He hears our prayers any 21:18 He wants us to flourish, He wants us to prosper. 21:21 He wants us to be all that we can be in good health 21:25 so that we can serve Him. 21:27 It's about service for God. 21:29 That's why we wake up every day 21:31 what can we do to serve others and God receives all the glory? 21:35 I like that what you said. 21:36 Another thing is one of the things 21:38 that I think about is that especially with the ordeal 21:42 that you are going through. 21:44 That you've hit a rock bottom, 21:47 that you're on your way out of here 21:49 that the Lord gave you an opportunity to make amends 21:54 because what's important is He wanted to use you. 21:57 He probably wants to use you a long time ago 22:00 but you were not ready. 22:02 You we're not at the point in which you could be used 22:06 and now the things that you're doing now is like phenomenal. 22:10 You look different than the first time 22:12 that I've saw you and you came in to see me. 22:15 Oh, yeah. I hope I do. 22:18 As you definitely look different, 22:19 I man, you look motivated and I know that 22:23 the relationship between you and your wife has, has improved 22:27 because you done a lot of positive things 22:29 to make it work. 22:30 And that was one of the things 22:31 that was a really concern for you. 22:33 so, you know, I encouraging you. 22:34 Well, it's almost like God has stopped watching 22:38 and He let me go on for 40 years of drinking 22:41 and finally went your race is over, 22:44 time to get to work. 22:46 Just as simple as that. 22:48 So ever since then every day I get up is a blessed day. 22:51 Yes 22:52 Everyday I look forward to doing something 22:54 whether just in my garden with the flowers 22:57 and thanks to my genius wife for the planting skills 23:01 and we're surrounded by that 23:02 and got a restful place to be to read, to study 23:05 and I've got two good wonderful parishes I attend, 23:10 St. Linus, Nearborn Heights and St. Anne's, 23:12 right down the road from me. 23:13 And again the families here are very, very loving and caring. 23:18 And that is all-- that's get's you off of your starting line 23:23 and helping to the finish. 23:24 I like that, say that again. 23:25 It could get's you from the starting line 23:27 to the finish basically. 23:28 That's beautiful. 23:30 You know Arthur, in today's society, 23:32 not just are teens 23:35 but a lot of adults are struggling 23:37 with substance abuse from adolescent years 23:40 into the adult life. 23:42 Yes, and teens just may get introduced to it. 23:47 Some-- one of the things that I'm concerned about 23:49 when you talked about teens, 23:51 you know, recently we did an article on K2. 23:54 K2 is the synthetic marijuana and the things 23:58 that its really doing in our community 24:02 and how a lot of our young people 24:04 are using this synthetic marijuana 24:07 is causing a lot of psychotic effects on their whole lives. 24:11 Wow. 24:12 You know, so substance abuse to me 24:14 is just really devastating. 24:17 But unfortunately what happens is you may start out 24:21 where you think you have control over it 24:23 or you can stop anytime you feel like you want to stop 24:27 and it just creeps into your lives 24:29 and before you know it becomes such a habit 24:31 that it becomes a life-threatening. 24:35 And you don't recognize yourself. 24:37 No, you know have time to do anything 24:39 about your parents or who you are 24:42 because the most important thing for you 24:44 that day is how do you intend to celebrate 24:48 that day with what drug or what, what alcohol. 24:52 That's the important thing. 24:53 For me it was is in 8 o'clock yet, is the store open yet. 24:56 Yes. 24:57 Eight AM in the morning? Yeah. 24:59 Starting at 8 AM in the morning. 25:00 That's the, that's the starting to for me. 25:02 My way of life. Yeah. 25:03 You know, we human is great, I'm sorry. 25:06 Of course, finding well, few things 25:08 here in our own house. 25:09 You weren't that type of person 25:10 to hang with bottle in the house. 25:13 Cases. 25:14 Cases? Seriously? 25:16 No, a lot. A lot than that cases. 25:18 By the way, it could have gone to that point you know. 25:21 Yeah. 25:22 That's one of the draws is being able to think 25:25 that you're getting away with something. 25:27 I'm sneaky, I'm good at this. 25:29 There was young lady I was in rehab 25:31 with they found her on the floor of her bathroom. 25:34 She is supposed to be wrapping Christmas presents 25:37 and she had a broken bottle tequila in one hand 25:40 and phone the other one laying past out in her bathroom 25:43 after probably went to bed 25:44 and when they checked her clothing 25:46 shared hundreds of dollars in her coats, 25:49 in her shirts, in her pants 25:50 just like she had money when she went to get tequila. 25:53 My, my, my. 25:55 That's why you think, you know, hey I'm-- 25:56 That's, that's true. 25:57 You know you get to a point 25:59 where you want to beat the system 26:00 or you know you want to show them 26:02 nobody could stop me. 26:03 Well, that's the order directing of selves, 26:06 you know, I'm better than you, I'm smarter than you, 26:10 you know, you can't stop me. 26:12 That's an addicts creed. Wow. 26:15 Well, listen we have about two minutes, 26:17 John as you look at that camera and I just want you to tell 26:20 somebody to hold on and they can-- 26:23 God can save their lives and your closing thoughts. 26:26 All I have to say is that God is here. 26:29 He is here for you, he is here for all of us 26:31 and He is 24/7 He never closes. 26:35 And when you are in deepest depths 26:37 and your darkness hour 26:39 lot of these please, look to Him. 26:43 Be faithful to God He will be more than faithful to you 26:47 and continue your life in a very positive 26:49 and loving manner so the you too can help people. 26:53 That's powerful. 26:54 Well, John, we really appreciate you 26:55 coming on "Making it Work." 26:57 Keep making it work. Yes. 26:59 Well, Arthur, another-- you want to say one last thing? 27:02 You have a wonderful program 27:04 and good luck with it continue this. 27:06 Thank you so much. 27:08 Basically I think we are at a point 27:10 now where we have to recognize that. 27:12 We have to make changes in our lives 27:14 that's gonna be beneficial. 27:16 Sometimes those changes are difficult, decisions 27:19 that we require to have a better life is there. 27:22 You just have to step out and have faith. 27:25 My wife Kim believe we go back and forth 27:28 because she always believed, she always has faith. 27:32 And sometimes when I get a little wary 27:34 she had just come out and said you need to have faith. 27:37 Faith is the substance of things hope for 27:39 and evidence of things not seen. 27:42 John had faith and he still has it. 27:44 So if are wary or have some difficult point in your life 27:48 where you had some trials and tribulations 27:51 don't give up, have faith. 27:54 Well, Arthur, this it was a wonderful opportunity 27:57 to hear more information about substance abuse. 28:00 Listen we want to thank you 28:01 for joining us on "Making it Work." 28:03 I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin. I'm Arthur Nowlin. 28:06 And you need to continue to making it work. 28:08 God bless. |
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