Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin.
And I'm Arthur Nowlin.
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And welcome to "Making it Work."
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Today we're talking
about the "Last Call."
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Arthur, why the last call?
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Well, there are some issues
that exist with many of us
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and today we have
a special guest here,
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basically dealing with
substance abuse issues.
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Well, why don't you
introduce our special guest?
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Well, today we
have John Bordach.
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And John, welcome to our show.
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It's my honor to
be here. It really is.
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We're really
pleased to have you here
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and basically what I'm
asking you to do right now
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is just give us an insight about
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what has happened to
you last year and a half.
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Last year and a half I've
gone through a transformation
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that probably most
people would not believe
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unless they witnessed it.
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And I happened--
what happened to me was,
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I was in such bad
shape to alcohol abuse,
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physically,
psychologically, spiritually
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that I was pretty
much unrecognizable
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as human being.
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Really? Yeah.
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And I was hospitalized
into my subsequent recovery
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and through the grace
of God, I'm with you today.
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So how has this
experience changed your life?
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About 180 degrees.
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I'd been drinking for
approximately 40 years.
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Oh, my goodness.
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And when the
physical nature of the disease
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finally, you know, took over
and I was succumbing to that
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and my family deemed it was time
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to make a move
into the hospital.
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I went and under I
want. Okay, wait a minute.
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Explain to us
what do you mean under.
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I was basically on the
list of he's not coming home.
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Really?
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I was in a coma,
alcohol induced, pretty much.
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My systems were failing,
my liver was shutting down,
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my kidneys had shut down,
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my blood does
basically an oil refinery
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and this-- they worked
very hard to get me to the point
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where I could actually
have a chance in surviving it.
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Now up until that point
you didn't really realize
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that you were as bad as
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where as just
life-threatening for you?
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No, and it add to
my situation I think
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comes the same
agreement with themselves,
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that it's not my fault,
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I don't feel that
bad, this is fine.
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When in truth the
opposite is what's going on
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and one of the hard
things about addiction
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is to come to
the fact of reality
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that yeah, that is
me and it is my fault.
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Now how can I be helped?
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And I turn to obviously
the three things drive me
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in my life is my faith in God,
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I trust my doctors
and I believe in myself.
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And God puts the belief
in ourselves right there
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so that we can utilize
that along with His grace
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and His power to
make us change to the fact
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that its not just for today
or tomorrow but permanency.
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Now, it comes to
a point like you say
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you were drinking for 40 years.
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Correct.
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Had it come to a point where
you, you say you believe in God
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but you didn't have a
relationship with God?
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No I had a very
nebulous understanding of God.
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I knew there was this
brain being out there,
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I didn't give Him a
name, I didn't expect help,
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I didn't ask for anything.
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I just sort of
though blew the idea off
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because, you
know, I'm invincible.
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You know, nobody can touch
me until you find out your not.
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And then when
God steps and insists
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yes, what can I do for you?
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It's not glad that so
much is what can I do for God?
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How about your family,
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how did they respond
to what was happening?
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They were stalwarts.
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When they finally
understood the depth,
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my wife Beverly
took over immediately
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and my brother and
sister, very supportive.
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My parents have
been gone long time.
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I think one of the
things that drove me
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to addiction of alcohol
abuse, family upbringing.
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There was lot of
alcohol around our neighborhood,
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in our family and
my mother passed away
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when I was 16, her age 54.
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And it was an
alcohol related illness.
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And I started in
the restaurant field,
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hospitality for 30 years
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and that's a very
easy place to get involved
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in addictions of various types.
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Now drugs, alcohol and things
like that it's all around you.
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Let me ask a
question, what do you think
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was the major influence
for you to begin drinking?
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Fun. It's for fun.
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And it was a way of rebelling
in somewhat, at a young age
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and as a rebellion turned into
you have to govern yourself.
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As you get older that aspect
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totally lost my
life as far as control
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and the alcohol had taken
over by my mid 20s, early 30s
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and I was succumbing every day.
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And as time went
by, my amount of,
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you know, of drinking
increased and to the point
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where as--a year and
half ago I was on death's door
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and it was a gradient
that didn't happen overnight
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and you don't see it.
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You don't see it.
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That was another
question I was thinking about
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as you were talking.
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Many times you really
don't see what's going on.
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You know, you don't get feel
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that this type of
circumstance can happen
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after
experiencing long addiction,
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you know, such as
what, 40 years of drinking.
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Correct.
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And then another thing
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I'm piggybacking on
what Kim was saying.
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You had a family
origin that was drinking,
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you know, so this
was acceptable lifestyle?
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Yeah, blue collar and
that there wasn't a lot to do.
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You know, father
worked afternoons
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at Ford for 41 years,
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my mom raised my
siblings and myself.
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My brother and sister
were much old than I was,
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so they waited 11
years to have perfection.
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The influence is there in
from when I was a small child.
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The parties, every
holiday, every backyard barbecue
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there's just tons
of alcohol involved.
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All the
neighbors, it's blue-collar,
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certainly I don't
want to blame them
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that so much as
it is just at time
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the social
moralities allowed that more
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and people didn't understand
what we understand now.
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Now you went into
a recovery process,
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apparently you went into one
addiction facilities or that?
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Yeah, I went into
an addiction facility
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in Canton, Michigan, Oakdale
and they're quite helpful.
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They have a very difficult job
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because you got
70 or so residents,
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70 or so different personalities
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and 70 or so different cases.
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You can't put a blanket over it.
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Every individual has their
own type of addiction in the way
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as far as level as
far as want's done to them
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and what's done to
people around them.
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And they focused a lot on God,
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in getting a start
in the right direction,
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in with that as an anchor point.
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Because they know
that when they leave
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but people go
there is not gonna be
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a hundred percent success.
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There's a lot of recidivism
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when you let
people on the street
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that have not
come to the conclusion
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that God is in charge.
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And that you have to
answer to yourself, to Him
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and to people around you.
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Had you had
several relapses to this
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when you said to yourself,
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I'm gonna do this and
then you went back out again?
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Yeah, that was in October 2009,
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I believe it was when
I was first into rehab.
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Well, it was that
winter actually, 2009
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and when I got
out two weeks later
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I said, boy, I beat this thing.
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This is great, I'm fine.
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That last until October,
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I was up hunting by
myself in the northern woods
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and I said, well,
do have party started,
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just one is not going to hurt.
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The 12 months, 13 months
later I'm in Beaumont Hospital
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and they're
trying to unhook things.
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So I-- you know I
thought I gave it a good shot
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but in the end I wasn't
thinking of God at the time.
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So you really believe
that the Lord spared your life,
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you know, for a purpose?
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Absolutely,
absolutely for purpose.
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When I woke from my alcohol coma
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and I looked around me,
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the first crushing
thought that I ahead of time
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as I came was the four
words, who can you help today?
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That was
intended for me to hear.
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Yes.
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Then I knew
that God had given me
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some kind of mission or ministry
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that I would go out
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and try to help
people in my circumstance
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before it is too late.
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You know, I escaped by a hair,
you know, there's many people
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that are closed to
that, so maybe not close,
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it still need to know
that the Lord is in charge.
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And that is the key.
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God is in charge, God
is in control of our lives.
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And the Bible says
in Philippians 3:14
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"I can do all
things through Christ
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which strengthens me."
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Not some things, not
little things, but all.
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And at times we tend to
want to tie God's hands.
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Don't tie God's hand.
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God can free us
all from any addiction.
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And now, how are you now, John?
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You know, tells about
what are you doing now?
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Well, my church
that I chose to join
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is in Durban Heights area
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and the family there
has been absolutely sterling
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in taking me in and teaching me
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and whenever there
is a little problem
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or glitch in my
system they're there.
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And it's just been a
glorious opportunity for me
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not just to learn about the Lord
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but to actually
communicate through Him
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what is the proper thing to do
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because every
morning there is a message.
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And it's still the same one
for me, who can you help today?
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Do you have a favorite scripture
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that you stand by or stand on?
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Well, John 23 is
always the number one.
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Why? Because it's so profound.
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It explains
Jesus very succinctly
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and I believe that the
people, even that one scripture
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and there are some in
Matthew that I really do enjoy.
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And as far as the Old Testament,
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any story of Abraham is
very well worth studying.
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Amen. You like
stories, don't you?
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Yeah, I've been
known to spin a tale.
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I think your
excellent storyteller,
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and as a matter of fact,
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one of things that I recognize
when I first met you was that
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you had exceptional
skills in telling stories.
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Some of them are even true.
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I can believe that, you know,
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because you're an author
as well, is that correct?
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Yes I penned my first
book and you are instrumental
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to get me to
think in that direction
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and I'm very happy to get that
as a start to a lot of people
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to understand what an
addict's life is like.
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And, you know, to
some of it's humorous,
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some of it's tragic
but I just hope it affects
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somebody out there, somewhere.
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You have no problem
telling your testimony,
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being transparent, you know.
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Why are you so open, you
know, even to come here on
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"Making it Work" to be
able to tell your story?
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And I understand, today
well, who can I help today,
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you know, because people tend
not to want to be transparent.
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They don't want
to let people know
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because we know
secrets can kill.
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They can destroy
lives. Absolutely.
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You know, but you saved
your life to be so transparent.
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Well, you can't help anybody
if they don't see who you are.
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Excellent.
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You know, they
are-- you have to be
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able to put yourself out
there as much as possible
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and hide nothing.
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To gain their trust
number one, and number two,
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from your own standpoint,
from my own standpoint
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if I don't explain
who I am then I don't feel
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I have all the
tools available to me,
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to be able to help anyone out.
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Let me go back to family,
you know, your wife, Beverly.
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While you were going
through this process,
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you know, was it hard for
her to see you in this condition
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or had she come
to the realization
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that you are gonna leave her?
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She had known
for quite some time
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and did her best to stop it.
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When everything came to ahead,
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she stuck by me
and till this day
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she's still my chauffeur
until doctors say otherwise
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and she's my physician at home
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with keeping my
prescriptions all normal
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if I missing by half
hour, I'm hearing about it.
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Yes.
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And her work with me
has kept me on the path
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that I am on
now, which is forward.
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And you know its
typical marriage,
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we always have a
little ups and downs.
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Who doesn't?
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I want to tumble that with you.
00:13:46.21\00:13:48.32
Now you can't
live with that too.
00:13:48.35\00:13:50.31
But, you know,
it's instrumental.
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You have the people around you
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that are gonna
be resources to you
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and that having a faith
in you and love you so much
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that they will be able
to sacrifice on their own.
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That's amazing.
00:14:02.51\00:14:03.55
To be able to help
you along and as it goes,
00:14:03.58\00:14:06.53
it goes very notice
00:14:06.56\00:14:08.00
she might not think it sometime.
00:14:08.03\00:14:10.13
Some things I do are
still not quite right
00:14:10.16\00:14:13.02
but at the same time--
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But that's marriage too
00:14:14.38\00:14:15.41
I mean, you're
working on relationships.
00:14:15.44\00:14:17.54
But at the same
time I don't know
00:14:17.57\00:14:18.62
if anybody on this
earth that I ever met
00:14:18.65\00:14:20.67
that will take on the
job that she took on--
00:14:20.70\00:14:22.95
That's amazing. That's amazing.
00:14:22.98\00:14:25.36
A loving wife.
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Children, you have
children and grandchildren?
00:14:26.74\00:14:28.46
Two adults and
six grandchildren,
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three greats, not bad for 106.
00:14:31.18\00:14:35.50
But they're all good
solid family and, you know,
00:14:35.53\00:14:39.78
the holidays are
always well noted.
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So my checkbook
notes it quite a bit.
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And let me, let
me-- just give some, Kim.
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Let me ask this question
okay, we talked about family,
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what about friends?
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Now, well, you know at 40
years you develop some friends
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that are strictly
drinking partners, you know.
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So how was that, you
know, the transition for you?
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Well, that is one on the
main cause of being an addict is
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because you're
accepted into a part of society
00:15:04.71\00:15:08.02
that has the
same problem you have
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and it's like, hey,
look at us, aren't we great?
00:15:09.75\00:15:13.32
You know, I'm not against,
00:15:13.35\00:15:14.38
you know, going
to a football game
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and, you know, hoisting a couple
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or something like
that, that's fine.
00:15:17.77\00:15:20.03
It's just a
matter of when it get's
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to be an excess so
I can out-drink you
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and that's the kind of
friends that I was with.
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Now my friends are different.
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Amazingly, lot of the
people I mentioned in my book
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are coming back into my
life from 25, 30 years ago
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and saying we wonder
what happened to you.
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As I was saying, the
friends that I've made
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and the ones
that are coming back
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are different than
the ones I had before.
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My new friends
are very God driven,
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family centered people.
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The ones before were
basically, what's in it for me
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and I found that a lot
in the chosen career I took.
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You know the
hospitality business
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is very noble business
00:16:01.52\00:16:03.36
and I worked in
some very fine places
00:16:03.39\00:16:06.71
and it's a learning experience
about human beings in general
00:16:06.74\00:16:09.96
but the temptations
of the alcohol on site
00:16:09.99\00:16:13.17
and I don't know
how many wine tasting
00:16:13.20\00:16:15.12
and things like that are to
00:16:15.15\00:16:17.01
and after a while
you think I'm a pro,
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I can do this.
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But in reality you're a rookie
for your whole life at this.
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You know, there's no
learning in alcoholism.
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It comes afterward when
God says time for the lesson.
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Have you learned it
because I don't have talk
00:16:31.24\00:16:33.49
to you much anymore
if you've learned it,
00:16:33.52\00:16:35.74
but I'll be here for you.
00:16:35.77\00:16:37.64
You know, our topic
today is the "Last Call"
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and in society or in the
world in nightclubs and bars
00:16:40.78\00:16:46.35
and places where alcohol
is served 1:30, 2 o'clock a.m.
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the last call, the
last round for drinks
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but it is more
significant to John
00:16:53.71\00:16:55.93
because the last
call was his life
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and the imprints of
that and the forth--
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I mean, you woke up and
you said you had the tubes
00:17:01.59\00:17:04.20
and you were connected to
00:17:04.23\00:17:05.88
all these wires in the hospital,
00:17:05.91\00:17:08.45
what-- that
mindset did you think
00:17:08.48\00:17:10.55
I'm gonna die,
this is it for me?
00:17:10.58\00:17:13.33
By that point when
I was fully conscious,
00:17:13.36\00:17:16.13
I knew that God
was there to help me.
00:17:16.16\00:17:19.00
And He wouldn't go me
00:17:19.03\00:17:20.07
that point to
be hooked up ahead,
00:17:20.10\00:17:22.55
you know, fire hose,
00:17:22.58\00:17:23.94
putting blood into
me and things like that.
00:17:23.97\00:17:26.32
He wouldn't
allow me to that point
00:17:26.35\00:17:27.76
if there wasn't a purpose.
00:17:27.79\00:17:29.53
Right then I started seeing
a little bit of a purpose.
00:17:29.56\00:17:31.98
It wasn't I had been
listening very hard to come by
00:17:32.01\00:17:34.73
what it actually was
but then as time went by
00:17:34.76\00:17:37.62
and I started
gradually little better,
00:17:37.65\00:17:39.33
little better, little
better than I saw it fully,
00:17:39.36\00:17:41.94
that God wants me on this
earth to provide something.
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Has been no relapse?
You've been clean since when?
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It'll be, let's see,
19 months me and 15 days.
00:17:49.27\00:17:55.15
That is
wonderful. Congratulations.
00:17:55.18\00:17:56.54
Every day is a different day.
Every day is a different day.
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New one day at a
time. One day at a time.
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That's true. That is quite true.
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A lot of people say,
oh, I've got this licked.
00:18:02.16\00:18:04.69
No you don't.
That's really powerful.
00:18:04.72\00:18:07.46
Now tell me about your
motivation for life now.
00:18:07.49\00:18:12.69
You know, what does
this whole ordeal mean to you
00:18:12.72\00:18:16.76
and what are some of
the desires that you have?
00:18:16.79\00:18:19.07
Well, my motivation in
life right now is number one,
00:18:19.10\00:18:21.99
God has given this opportunity
to help people if I can,
00:18:22.02\00:18:25.97
whatever regard it takes to help
00:18:26.00\00:18:28.15
someone along
even simplest thing.
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Few weeks back, my wife
and I were leaving church
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and this very
elderly lady standing outside
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and she did not have a ride.
00:18:36.40\00:18:37.64
She walked all the way
there, almost two miles
00:18:37.67\00:18:40.27
and we said, you know, and
God put me in that position
00:18:40.30\00:18:43.66
at that time to open a
door and see this lady there.
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It's tiny, tiny things like that
00:18:46.72\00:18:48.95
that showed His
presence or the larger things.
00:18:48.98\00:18:51.49
Well, actually can
save a life by some be
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you know, to
paraphrase the baseball pitcher
00:18:54.32\00:18:57.58
and author Jim Bowden.
00:18:57.61\00:18:59.48
"You spend your whole
life gripping a beer bottle
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and in the end
you turned to find out
00:19:02.30\00:19:03.94
it's the other way all around,"
00:19:03.97\00:19:05.58
you know, the all time
you know is the other way.
00:19:05.61\00:19:09.29
The beer bottles gripping--
00:19:09.32\00:19:11.48
When you get to that point
then you have a realization
00:19:11.51\00:19:16.43
and then when God gives
you the message and says
00:19:16.46\00:19:19.05
it's time to do
something then you do it.
00:19:19.08\00:19:21.96
And I've been
fulfilled in that regard
00:19:21.99\00:19:23.66
because number one,
my health has returned
00:19:23.69\00:19:25.46
a not a hundred percent
00:19:25.49\00:19:27.30
and she still got to be
the pill person everyday
00:19:27.33\00:19:29.68
and make sure
I'm on that regiment
00:19:29.71\00:19:31.80
but I've been able to get
back into my beloved outdoors,
00:19:31.83\00:19:36.03
helping on a refuge
down south Detroit to restore
00:19:36.06\00:19:39.11
the Wildlife Refuge
down there, at Humbug Marsh.
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I've been able to do
my own gardening timely
00:19:42.56\00:19:44.69
and little things
you know here and there,
00:19:44.72\00:19:47.52
I look forward to actually
tromping through the woods
00:19:47.55\00:19:49.65
someday again on
my own unencumbered.
00:19:49.68\00:19:53.66
But those are the
things the blessings
00:19:53.69\00:19:55.39
that God is bringing back to me.
00:19:55.42\00:19:57.56
And my mind is cleared up
00:19:57.59\00:19:58.64
so I can
actually read a book now.
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I couldn't read a book
before. Couldn't read a book.
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Hey, and you're also concerned
00:20:02.59\00:20:03.97
to go back to
college is that correct?
00:20:04.00\00:20:05.94
Yes, I've enrolled at
Madonna University in Livonia
00:20:05.97\00:20:09.16
and I start my series,
basically in addiction studies
00:20:09.19\00:20:15.38
and I hope to be
certified in addiction studies
00:20:15.41\00:20:17.84
by the end of
the second semester
00:20:17.87\00:20:20.34
and then my adviser looked at me
00:20:20.37\00:20:22.34
and said, John, I
got your transcripts
00:20:22.37\00:20:23.97
from your old school
00:20:24.00\00:20:25.15
why don't you finish
your bachelor in psych?
00:20:25.18\00:20:28.41
I said, well, as long as
I can be like Arthur Nolin.
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That's a lot of
hard work there, John.
00:20:33.39\00:20:35.84
No, but I'm
working forward to that
00:20:35.87\00:20:37.41
and that is a goal
that God has given me.
00:20:37.44\00:20:39.77
Yes. Because He
knows I can do it.
00:20:39.80\00:20:43.33
He's given me the strength
and every day when I wake up
00:20:43.36\00:20:46.68
He is there help me to
crack that computer code
00:20:46.71\00:20:49.73
to get on those
sites and get ready to go.
00:20:49.76\00:20:52.97
And that's just now up
to my brain to figure out
00:20:53.00\00:20:55.26
if I still have study habits
and keep things retaining.
00:20:55.29\00:20:59.95
Well, I was gonna
come back to you know,
00:20:59.98\00:21:01.26
what I think
about what did you said,
00:21:01.29\00:21:03.03
I think about Hebrews 11:1
00:21:03.06\00:21:05.44
"Faith is the
substance of things hoped for,
00:21:05.47\00:21:08.05
the evidence of
things not seen."
00:21:08.08\00:21:10.09
You have a faith
of a mustard seed,
00:21:10.12\00:21:12.24
God will give you
desires of your heart.
00:21:12.27\00:21:13.66
Absolutely.
00:21:13.69\00:21:14.75
And He hears you John,
He hears our prayers any
00:21:14.78\00:21:18.71
He wants us to flourish,
He wants us to prosper.
00:21:18.74\00:21:21.78
He wants us to be all
that we can be in good health
00:21:21.81\00:21:25.82
so that we can serve Him.
00:21:25.85\00:21:27.19
It's about service for God.
00:21:27.22\00:21:29.59
That's why we wake up every day
00:21:29.62\00:21:31.38
what can we do to serve others
and God receives all the glory?
00:21:31.41\00:21:34.98
I like that what you said.
00:21:35.01\00:21:36.44
Another thing is
one of the things
00:21:36.47\00:21:38.41
that I think about is
that especially with the ordeal
00:21:38.44\00:21:42.04
that you are going through.
00:21:42.07\00:21:44.17
That you've hit a rock bottom,
00:21:44.20\00:21:47.02
that you're on
your way out of here
00:21:47.05\00:21:49.88
that the Lord gave you an
opportunity to make amends
00:21:49.91\00:21:54.31
because what's important
is He wanted to use you.
00:21:54.34\00:21:57.54
He probably wants to
use you a long time ago
00:21:57.57\00:22:00.54
but you were not ready.
00:22:00.57\00:22:02.91
You we're not at the
point in which you could be used
00:22:02.94\00:22:06.40
and now the things that you're
doing now is like phenomenal.
00:22:06.43\00:22:10.87
You look different
than the first time
00:22:10.90\00:22:12.79
that I've saw you and
you came in to see me.
00:22:12.82\00:22:15.66
Oh, yeah. I hope I do.
00:22:15.69\00:22:17.98
As you
definitely look different,
00:22:18.01\00:22:19.72
I man, you look
motivated and I know that
00:22:19.75\00:22:23.54
the relationship between you
and your wife has, has improved
00:22:23.57\00:22:27.16
because you done a
lot of positive things
00:22:27.19\00:22:29.02
to make it work.
00:22:29.05\00:22:30.60
And that was one of the things
00:22:30.63\00:22:31.67
that was a
really concern for you.
00:22:31.70\00:22:33.25
so, you know, I encouraging you.
00:22:33.28\00:22:34.92
Well, it's almost like
God has stopped watching
00:22:34.95\00:22:38.80
and He let me go on
for 40 years of drinking
00:22:38.83\00:22:41.23
and finally went
your race is over,
00:22:41.26\00:22:44.57
time to get to work.
00:22:44.60\00:22:46.92
Just as simple as that.
00:22:46.95\00:22:48.66
So ever since then every
day I get up is a blessed day.
00:22:48.69\00:22:51.88
Yes
00:22:51.91\00:22:52.94
Everyday I look
forward to doing something
00:22:52.97\00:22:54.94
whether just in my
garden with the flowers
00:22:54.97\00:22:57.38
and thanks to my genius
wife for the planting skills
00:22:57.41\00:23:00.98
and we're surrounded by that
00:23:01.01\00:23:02.56
and got a restful
place to be to read, to study
00:23:02.59\00:23:05.91
and I've got two good
wonderful parishes I attend,
00:23:05.94\00:23:10.06
St. Linus, Nearborn
Heights and St. Anne's,
00:23:10.09\00:23:12.42
right down the road from me.
00:23:12.45\00:23:13.81
And again the families here are
very, very loving and caring.
00:23:13.84\00:23:18.46
And that is all-- that's get's
you off of your starting line
00:23:18.49\00:23:22.99
and helping to the finish.
00:23:23.02\00:23:24.15
I like that, say that again.
00:23:24.18\00:23:25.75
It could get's you
from the starting line
00:23:25.78\00:23:27.06
to the finish basically.
00:23:27.09\00:23:28.41
That's beautiful.
00:23:28.44\00:23:30.19
You know Arthur,
in today's society,
00:23:30.22\00:23:32.87
not just are teens
00:23:32.90\00:23:35.24
but a lot of
adults are struggling
00:23:35.27\00:23:37.73
with substance abuse
from adolescent years
00:23:37.76\00:23:40.58
into the adult life.
00:23:40.61\00:23:42.18
Yes, and teens just
may get introduced to it.
00:23:42.21\00:23:47.81
Some-- one of the
things that I'm concerned about
00:23:47.84\00:23:49.89
when you talked about teens,
00:23:49.92\00:23:51.09
you know, recently
we did an article on K2.
00:23:51.12\00:23:54.91
K2 is the synthetic
marijuana and the things
00:23:54.94\00:23:58.89
that its really
doing in our community
00:23:58.92\00:24:02.15
and how a lot
of our young people
00:24:02.18\00:24:04.53
are using this
synthetic marijuana
00:24:04.56\00:24:07.08
is causing a lot of psychotic
effects on their whole lives.
00:24:07.11\00:24:11.26
Wow.
00:24:11.29\00:24:12.32
You know, so
substance abuse to me
00:24:12.35\00:24:14.85
is just really devastating.
00:24:14.88\00:24:17.94
But unfortunately what
happens is you may start out
00:24:17.97\00:24:21.67
where you think you
have control over it
00:24:21.70\00:24:23.90
or you can stop anytime
you feel like you want to stop
00:24:23.93\00:24:27.52
and it just
creeps into your lives
00:24:27.55\00:24:29.41
and before you know
it becomes such a habit
00:24:29.44\00:24:31.54
that it becomes
a life-threatening.
00:24:31.57\00:24:35.14
And you don't
recognize yourself.
00:24:35.17\00:24:37.19
No, you know have
time to do anything
00:24:37.22\00:24:39.45
about your
parents or who you are
00:24:39.48\00:24:42.00
because the most
important thing for you
00:24:42.03\00:24:44.29
that day is how do
you intend to celebrate
00:24:44.32\00:24:48.01
that day with what
drug or what, what alcohol.
00:24:48.04\00:24:52.48
That's the important thing.
00:24:52.51\00:24:53.58
For me it was is in 8 o'clock
yet, is the store open yet.
00:24:53.61\00:24:56.46
Yes.
00:24:56.49\00:24:57.52
Eight AM in the morning? Yeah.
00:24:57.55\00:24:59.43
Starting at 8 AM in the morning.
00:24:59.46\00:25:00.49
That's the, that's
the starting to for me.
00:25:00.52\00:25:02.31
My way of life. Yeah.
00:25:02.34\00:25:03.80
You know, we human
is great, I'm sorry.
00:25:03.83\00:25:06.81
Of course,
finding well, few things
00:25:06.84\00:25:08.01
here in our own house.
00:25:08.04\00:25:09.46
You weren't that type of person
00:25:09.49\00:25:10.79
to hang with
bottle in the house.
00:25:10.82\00:25:13.81
Cases.
00:25:13.84\00:25:14.87
Cases? Seriously?
00:25:14.90\00:25:16.51
No, a lot. A
lot than that cases.
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By the way, it could have
gone to that point you know.
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Yeah.
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That's one of the
draws is being able to think
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that you're getting
away with something.
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I'm sneaky, I'm good at this.
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There was young
lady I was in rehab
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with they found her on
the floor of her bathroom.
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She is supposed to be
wrapping Christmas presents
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and she had a broken
bottle tequila in one hand
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and phone the other one
laying past out in her bathroom
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after probably went to bed
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and when they
checked her clothing
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shared hundreds of
dollars in her coats,
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in her shirts, in her pants
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just like she had money
when she went to get tequila.
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My, my, my.
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That's why you
think, you know, hey I'm--
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That's, that's true.
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You know you get to a point
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where you want
to beat the system
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or you know you
want to show them
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nobody could stop me.
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Well, that's the
order directing of selves,
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you know, I'm better than
you, I'm smarter than you,
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you know, you can't stop me.
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That's an addicts creed. Wow.
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Well, listen we
have about two minutes,
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John as you look at that camera
and I just want you to tell
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somebody to hold
on and they can--
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God can save their lives
and your closing thoughts.
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All I have to say
is that God is here.
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He is here for you,
he is here for all of us
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and He is 24/7 He never closes.
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And when you are
in deepest depths
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and your darkness hour
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lot of these
please, look to Him.
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Be faithful to God He will
be more than faithful to you
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and continue your
life in a very positive
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and loving manner so
the you too can help people.
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That's powerful.
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Well, John, we
really appreciate you
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coming on "Making it Work."
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Keep making it work. Yes.
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Well, Arthur, another--
you want to say one last thing?
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You have a wonderful program
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and good luck
with it continue this.
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Thank you so much.
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Basically I
think we are at a point
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now where we have
to recognize that.
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We have to make
changes in our lives
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that's gonna be beneficial.
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Sometimes those changes
are difficult, decisions
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that we require to
have a better life is there.
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You just have to
step out and have faith.
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My wife Kim believe
we go back and forth
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because she always
believed, she always has faith.
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And sometimes when
I get a little wary
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she had just come out and
said you need to have faith.
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Faith is the
substance of things hope for
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and evidence of things not seen.
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John had faith
and he still has it.
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So if are wary or have some
difficult point in your life
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where you had some
trials and tribulations
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don't give up, have faith.
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Well, Arthur, this it
was a wonderful opportunity
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to hear more information
about substance abuse.
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Listen we want to thank you
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for joining us
on "Making it Work."
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I'm Dr. Kim
Logan-Nowlin. I'm Arthur Nowlin.
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And you need to
continue to making it work.
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God bless.
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