Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin.
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And I'm Arthur Nowlin.
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Welcome to "Making it Work."
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Our topic today
"Single Parenting."
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Arthur, can you
imagine being in a situation
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where you have to raise
your child all by yourself?
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It would be pretty difficult,
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especially
during difficult times
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that we're facing now.
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Well, definitely
the economic situation.
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Absolutely. Academics.
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Making sure your children are
in school learning effectively.
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And most of my children
have such a busy lifestyle,
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they're just as
busy as we are as adults.
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But definitely, but
also their self-esteemed.
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Yes, absolutely.
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When the situation
comes out where is dad?
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Why I am not involved with
my Father Day or Mother's Day?
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So that's why it
would take the parents--
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both parents to
really go a little bit above
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and beyond to stay in contact.
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Well, and that not
possible then that mother
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or their single
parent has to do both roles.
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Yes.
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Well, today we want to
welcome Heather and Ryan Willis.
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Welcome to "Making it
Work." How're you doing?
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Good. Excellent.
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Oh, Ryan, tell
us how old are you?
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Nine. Nine years old.
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What grade? Fifth.
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Fifth grade. Do
you enjoy school?
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It's really good I guess,
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it could be a little bit better.
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How is that?
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How could it be a little better?
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Let's see, a
little less homework.
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Oh, but, Ryan, you know,
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the older you
get the more homework
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you're gonna have.
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You know, grades
get harder and harder.
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Don't scare a
young man like that.
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Oh, I'm not scaring, am I, Ryan?
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Because you like, you
like hard work don't it.
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You know, you like
challenges, don't you?
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I guess you
could say that. Okay.
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Well, Heather, you know,
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it looks like you've raised
a mighty fine young man he has.
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Yes. Absolutely.
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You know, just tell
us your story Heather,
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you know, tell our
viewers about Heather Willis.
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Okay, well, I grew up
in a ministerial family.
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I am the fourth of
five children and I--
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it's a very close knit family,
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very loving and
supportive family.
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And they taught us you know,
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you always put God first,
you work hard, study hard,
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you know, strive to be
successful in God's will.
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And I went through
Christian education.
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You know, my entire career,
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went on to Oakwood
College, graduated and well--
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Oakwood is in
Huntsville, Alabama?
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Yes. Okay.
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And I got my bachelors there
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and then went on
to graduate school.
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During my time
in graduate school
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I got married.
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And I was married for a very
short time for whatever reason.
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Yes. That ended.
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Okay. And that time--
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Was it-- someone there was
the Seventh-day Adventists?
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Yes, he was-- he
was also a Christian.
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He went to church. Okay.
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I say that lightly. All right.
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But you know, we-- we
went our separate ways.
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During that time I
went through a period
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where I sort of
spiraled out of control because,
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I didn't really know
how to function after that--
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I didn't come
from a broken family.
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You know, and I
felt like I had--
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I done everything the right way.
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Sure. So I sort
of just spiraled out.
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But as a result my
spiraling out of control
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I got the best gift
that God could have given me
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and that's my Ryan here.
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Excellent.
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Wow, that beautiful.
Look at the smile on.
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He got that right.
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So going back in
fact that you came
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from both of you
were the same faith
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but yet not of the same vision.
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Right.
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And ended going
your separate ways.
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So Ryan was born,
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what and how did
this impact your family?
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It was difficult. It was tough.
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My parents were very supportive,
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they made it clear
that they did not condone
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some of my choices but
they never let me down.
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I lean very heavily on my family
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and I mean till this day
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they've been a
great support for me.
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Even my siblings.
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And your siblings also. Yes.
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Now during the time
what about your peers,
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your friends and
your social network?
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How did that impact--
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impact their
regulation with them?
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My parents always taught us
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that your
families are your friends.
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I have select few friends
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that I have
known since early on.
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And we are still
very close today,
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they are supportive of
me, you know, there were times
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when we did sort of drift apart
because we have our own lives
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and I was very
busy, they're busy.
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And they were married. Yes.
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They were married
still and I-- I had to live,
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I had to go on with my life
and there were a lot of things
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that they were
doing that I could not do
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or I didn't feel I
needed to be around you know,
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at certain times because my life
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was in a very different
place then there's was.
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So when you had
Ryan, you weren't--
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after Ryan you just
weren't dating at that time,
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you focused on
the issue with you,
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God and your son.
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Yes. And your family at large.
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So what is your
chosen profession?
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I'm a professional counselor.
So you're professional--
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Are you LPC, license
professional counselor?
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I'm-- LLPC.
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Limited License
Professional Counselor.
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So here you are
being a counselor,
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counseling other parents,
counseling, helping children.
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Teens. Teens.
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Worked at teen
shelter for many years.
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Oh, really? Okay.
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As I know there's been some
serious challenges with that.
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Yes. Okay.
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Yes, but I-- I could speak
from life experience, you know.
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Ryan, how was it
for you, you know,
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not being
raised without a father
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having just
mommy in the household?
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How was it for you?
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It was okay, I guess.
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But it was pretty hard--
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well, I didn't even
know some other things
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that men do and they don't do.
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Like what for example?
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How they dance I guess.
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Yeah.
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How they dance
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or they what do you
mean, how they dance?
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What do you mean?
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Well, kind of personal.
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Oh, it's kind of personal, okay.
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What else, you
know, that you think--
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do you think children need
both the mother and father?
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They probably do,
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because it's a really
heavy load for parents.
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Excellent.
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And children, they
need a mother and a father.
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Now do you get many punishments,
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do you get spankings?
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How does mommy
deal with something
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when you misbehave or
do you ever misbehave?
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I misbehave
every once in a while.
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Once in a while.
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I can believe that,
Ryan, every blue moon.
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All right, really, you know.
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How does momma handle that?
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That see is spanking,
grounding, no computer.
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No computer. TV.
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Oh, no television, that's hard.
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Is that hard? Very hard.
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What do you like doing--
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what are some of
your favorite activities?
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Let's see, swimming, basketball,
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soccer, reading, eating.
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Of course.
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Is mommy a good cook? Very.
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That's great. That's great.
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Now he just outlined some
of the things that he likes--
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Yes.
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How does that
affect your schedule?
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Oh, my. We're busy.
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Yeah, I can imagine.
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We're busy and I
invest a lot of time
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into making sure that
he gets to do the things
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that would make
him more well rounded,
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like I made sure he got
to participate in karate
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or he had basketball early on.
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Because I know those are things
that I would not naturally do,
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I'm not gonna say, you know,
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hey, let's go to the
park and play basketball.
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There were things that I did
with him like we would wrestle,
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you know, just like it
make sure he was tough,
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even though it's
coming on elementary school,
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it's tough and these kids are--
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Pretty cool and
rough, all right.
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Especially when they
reach to teenage year
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and you deal with
that in that population--
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Yes.
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There must be
something to way out.
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When you say, you counsel teens,
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are you saying that you
counsel male and females?
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Okay.
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So-- Yes.
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You know, how does that
impact you as a Christian?
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Well, its-- I don't work
in a Christian organization,
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so I have learned to use a lot
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of what we know
as Bible promises
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and in sort of I
guess change them
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to be more public oriented.
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Because in a public organization
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they don't really want to
say, oh, God loves you so much.
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You know, but I can't say,
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you know, there's
someone who cares for you.
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You know. Promises all right.
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Yeah, you know and--
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and just making it
apply to them in learning
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that they are someone special
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and that God has
ordained them for something.
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Specifically for them, you know,
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its-- it's interesting
I get pretty creative.
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You know, it's
really 'cause we own
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our Christian
counseling clinic in Detroit
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and we're able to use
terms such as you know,
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God-- that Lord
loves you and prayer.
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So I can imagine
the times you want that
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to be able to come out
but you have to guard yourself
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because you work for
a public organization.
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What has it done
for you over the years
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as individuals approached you
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and wanted to
begin a relationship
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but did you have to put
yourself on the back burner
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because it was about Ryan?
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I was very careful about
who I brought into my life.
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Because I work with children,
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because I have sort of segued
into psychiatric screening,
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I've seen what happens
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when the wrong people get
involved with your children.
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And because of that,
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I have limited my interactions
with certain people.
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And I've also
gotten to the point
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where if I do allow
someone into my life I--
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I place a time limit on it
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'cause I'm a grown women
and after-- if you're a grownup
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then you should be
able to read people,
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that's what I think.
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You know, what I'm saying?
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So it shouldn't take too
long for you to figure out
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or someone to figure out
whether or not this person
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is going to be a
benefit to you or detriment.
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You know, and if-- if
you don't trust them--
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Yes. Why waste your time?
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Well, that's an
such a powerful point
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because I would
assume that in the population
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that you work with a
lot of the young people
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don't have that
ability to really I guess--
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see in the future with
some of the relationships
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that they deal with and
that's why they get in trouble.
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So how do you counsel
them? What do you say to them?
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Well, I try not to
tell them what to do
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because I found that
when trying to tell people
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what to do, it
might work for you
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but it doesn't work for them.
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So it's important
to help them learn
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to build their own skills
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in their own
sense of discernment,
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you know, and--
and just teach them
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what are the qualities that
you're looking for in a friend.
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What makes a good friend?
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You know, what
people like about you, okay,
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when you are interacting
with people at school.
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Or if they're
involved in church and all.
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You know, who are
you drawn to and why?
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So there is a risk
involved, a risk involved.
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Various things that, you know,
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we are quite aware of this
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that you are in
a relationship now.
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You know, so in
that relationship,
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how did it come about?
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I mean, was it a risk involve
in dealing with that person
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you gave time frames
and-- and how that move forward?
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There's always a risk involved.
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When I met this young man,
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I did not meet
him under the pretense
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that we were moving
into a relationship,
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we were friends first,
he was my guitar instructor
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and the very
first day I met him,
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he actually carried
Ryan to the car for me
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because it was
after church service
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and he was showing me
something on my guitar
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but in the
meantime Ryan fell asleep.
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And so I said, oh, man can you--
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I have to run this to
the car to make two trips,
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so I had to take
the guitar to the car,
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he said, no, no, no don't
worry about it, I'll carry him.
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I said oh, it's nice.
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You know, I know
it in the bottom.
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He just took
the initiative. Yes.
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So that the flag
right there. That was great.
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You know, well, Ryan,
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mommy is getting
really to get married.
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Yes, ma'am. Are you excited?
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Very excited.
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Tell us why?
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Because, there hasn't been a man
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in the house in a long time.
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Wow. All right.
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Okay, now you said
there hasn't a man involved,
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you know, so that
must mean a lot to you.
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Yes, sir. You know,
well, okay, you know.
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So what is some of the
things that you have planned
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with when you see this guy
that comes to visit your mom?
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Well, I just wrestle with him
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seeing how great
his reflexes are.
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Okay, size and level, okay.
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When you first met
him though and you know,
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you realize he was more
than mommy's guitar teacher,
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Wow, I think he likes my mom,
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were you nervous or were
you like protective of mommy?
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I always protecting her.
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Okay, did you ask
him a lot of questions?
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Not really. Not really.
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But did you like him
first of, you liked him?
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He is pretty
cool. He is pretty cool.
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That's important.
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And he still
is. And he still is.
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That's great. Well,
that is a wonderful.
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Let me ask you, Ryan,
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what is the most important
turning point of your life?
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What's the most
important thing in your life?
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Well, when I'm met D-dad.
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When you met
D-dad, who is D-dad?
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Darryl Dixon.
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Oh, the name.
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That's cute, D-dad that's nice.
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That's great.
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You know, so it
sounds like you know,
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things are
really at a good point.
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And what stands out
even more so is how observant
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and how willing Ryan is as
far as to interact with Darryl.
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Oh, that really.
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So that's really a
positive-- positive point.
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You know, Heather,
I hear Ryan saying,
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yes, ma'am, yes, sir,
and he's so articulate.
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Thank you.
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In today's society you know,
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we have many
children who speak well,
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communicate well.
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What did you do,
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how did you get into
that point to even give him
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I know repetition, you know,
but he is like so mannerable?
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That's good thing.
That's a good thing.
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How did you
get-- what did you do?
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What did you do?
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Tell our viewers,
what was your secret?
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What is your
formula? We pray a lot.
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You pray a lot.
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No, seriously I feel
that if someone knows
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what's expected of
them they will do well.
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And so early on you know,
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we-- we talk a lot
and I let him know,
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you know, how he's doing
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according to
what the standards are
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that we live our lives by.
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And I'm-- we just let him
know what's expected of him.
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And I remind him,
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like if I call him
and say you know, Ryan,
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I don't hear anything.
00:16:01.57\00:16:03.10
Ryan, huh. What?
00:16:03.13\00:16:05.46
What is that I don't understand,
00:16:05.49\00:16:07.17
huh, what are you saying?
00:16:07.20\00:16:08.26
Ma'am. Yes,
ma'am, I'm coming, mum.
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Yeah.
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And that's the way you
addressed your parents.
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Yes. And you still do.
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Yes. Train up a child.
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Train up a child in the
way he should going he is old,
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he shall not depart.
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Well, listen viewers we
have a surprise for you.
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You're going to get a
chance to meet Mr. Darryl Dixon.
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D-dad.
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D-dad, D-dad, I like
the way that's sound.
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That is so cool did you,
did you-- you gave him a name?
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We thought about it. So
they were going together.
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Okay, D-dad.
00:16:35.34\00:16:36.37
You want to get some
t-shirts sort of thing.
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You know, some
t-shirts and some hats.
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First we called him Dr. Pepper.
00:16:39.55\00:16:41.83
Yeah, and now
D-dad. D-dad fits though.
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D-dad, I like
D-dad. That's a good name.
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Well, stay tuned
and we'll be right back.
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Want to welcome you
back to "Making it Work."
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I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin.
And I'm Arthur Nowlin.
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And join us is Heather
Willis and Darryl Dixon.
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Welcome, Darryl.
Thank you, nice to be here.
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Well, listen wedding
bells are around the corner.
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We're excited for you.
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Now I want to know how did
this relationship come together
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because after all that
Heather told us on part one,
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meeting you, coming together
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and how God has blessed her life
00:17:37.99\00:17:40.36
and having you now to
be her future husband.
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Tells us about this meeting.
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Well, I met Heather
at a church service,
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they was-- there was
this church Oakland County.
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And they were have the
service at the Embassy Suites.
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And Heather was
singing on the praise team,
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the first time she sang,
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I was out of town that weekend
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and then I think the
following weekend I came--
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Was a few weeks?
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A fee weeks,
that's when I met her.
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And she walked up
to me and asked me
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if I could teach
her to play guitar.
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Okay. And I
said, I'm sure, I will.
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And didn't really
take too much notice
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on how cute she was
but in the back of my mind,
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you know, that
it crossed my mind.
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But, you know, so
that's how-- that's how we met.
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All right.
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Now how many guitar
lessons did you have, Heather,
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before this relation
went into this romance?
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Well, it didn't
go into a romance
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it went to friendship
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but I probably
only had like three.
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Okay, you had
three lessons, all right.
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You did that
three lessons, okay.
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And you said,
something is important,
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it went into a friendship.
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Okay.
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So how long have
you all known each other
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and how long before you propose
and where did you propose?
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Well, I've known her,
therefore at least two years?
00:19:04.51\00:19:08.16
Three-- three years.
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You know, what is out with guys
who keeping up with these days?
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You know, there is
something with all men.
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Hey, we got a lot going
though. You got a lot going on.
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Okay, all right,
I'm gonna let you go.
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Until the day he was really--
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Well, you know,
it just, you know,
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I meet a lot of men
who can't remember dates,
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so go back to
that, Darryl, all right?
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I remember every date.
What day did we get married?
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I forgot that one.
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March six, all right. Okay.
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All right, you
have some, so go on.
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Yes, so I proposed to her.
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I took her to
this Italian restaurant
00:19:39.51\00:19:41.38
that I used to go to
when I wasn't dating at all,
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well, I just like the food there
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and I decided to take her there
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and that's where
I proposed to her.
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Excellent.
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And now I-- we-- we
became close as friends.
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And I-- you know,
when you get older,
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you kind of know
faster, you know,
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what you're looking for
and what's good for you.
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And I'm so-- you
know, it was that time.
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That was great.
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But you know, Heather,
00:20:14.33\00:20:15.46
he wasn't of your same
faith of your same denomination.
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Was that a concern for you?
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It was. Okay.
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It was and
anybody who knows me knows
00:20:22.74\00:20:26.20
that I'm very particular.
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I'm very particular
and we discussed it.
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But Darryl since I've known him,
00:20:33.44\00:20:36.58
you know, I met
him in the church,
00:20:36.61\00:20:38.11
you known, for some people
that might not mean anything
00:20:38.14\00:20:40.56
but he has shown
himself to be someone
00:20:40.59\00:20:43.02
who loves God and
who is committed to doing
00:20:43.05\00:20:45.61
what God wants him to do.
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And as he spent time with
me, I would invite him come,
00:20:47.44\00:20:51.57
well, actually my
brother is the one
00:20:51.60\00:20:53.77
that started it a
few months after we met.
00:20:53.80\00:20:56.81
He says, oh, you got a
friend who plays a guitar.
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Have him come on over here
00:20:58.95\00:21:00.14
you guys do special
music at Barn's church.
00:21:00.17\00:21:02.73
So that's how we
actually started singing
00:21:02.76\00:21:06.50
and ministering together.
00:21:06.53\00:21:08.94
But as he would come
around he would ask questions,
00:21:08.97\00:21:12.71
you know, why-- what is this?
00:21:12.74\00:21:14.25
Why do you guys
do that or whatever?
00:21:14.28\00:21:16.07
And he eventually started
accepting more biblical--
00:21:16.10\00:21:22.24
biblically based truths.
00:21:22.27\00:21:23.97
Wow. That's excellent.
00:21:24.00\00:21:25.19
And recently you are
baptized? Yes, ma'am.
00:21:25.22\00:21:27.17
Into the
Seventh-day Adventist Church.
00:21:27.20\00:21:28.87
Yes. Congratulations.
00:21:28.90\00:21:30.41
The most important thing I guess
00:21:30.44\00:21:32.11
is brother's
friendship was developing.
00:21:32.14\00:21:35.96
You-- it's easy to sense
00:21:35.99\00:21:38.12
that he has a real
calm spirit about himself.
00:21:38.15\00:21:41.37
And that must've been
really refreshing for you,
00:21:41.40\00:21:44.34
you know, to see that--
00:21:44.37\00:21:45.81
That he is very layback?
00:21:45.84\00:21:46.88
Yeah, He is
layback? It's something.
00:21:46.91\00:21:48.27
Yeah.
00:21:48.30\00:21:50.45
Because I'm high energy.
00:21:50.48\00:21:52.23
You are. Exactly.
00:21:52.26\00:21:53.84
I mean, if you are high energy
and he is a little layback
00:21:53.87\00:21:57.23
that's to have
balanced in there.
00:21:57.26\00:21:58.51
That balance, you know.
00:21:58.54\00:22:00.19
Now, Darryl, you
have two daughters.
00:22:00.22\00:22:02.13
Yes.
00:22:02.16\00:22:03.19
And with Ryan you
have a blended family.
00:22:03.22\00:22:05.99
How do you get along with the--
00:22:06.02\00:22:07.66
his daughters and how
do you get along with Ryan?
00:22:07.69\00:22:09.55
Because Ryan loves to wrestle,
you are D-dad, all right?
00:22:09.58\00:22:12.89
Yeah, I'm-- Ryan is awesome,
00:22:12.92\00:22:15.67
awesome kid and a great guy.
00:22:15.70\00:22:18.10
And I can-- I see
potential greatness in him
00:22:18.13\00:22:25.36
and now he come from
a-- from a strong family.
00:22:25.39\00:22:29.24
Yes. And the thing that I--
00:22:29.27\00:22:31.24
That I really
love about Ryan is--
00:22:31.27\00:22:33.72
is his
conviction and his passion
00:22:33.75\00:22:36.87
for God at a young age and--
00:22:36.90\00:22:42.25
you know, as
coming into his life
00:22:42.28\00:22:45.21
that's something that I want--
00:22:45.24\00:22:47.12
I feel like it's
my responsibility
00:22:47.15\00:22:49.28
to make sure that he loves
God with everything that he has.
00:22:49.31\00:22:53.47
And you know-- That's excellent.
00:22:53.50\00:22:55.08
Do you all pray together? Yes.
00:22:55.11\00:22:57.01
So what about the relationship
00:22:57.04\00:22:59.35
that your
daughters have with Ryan?
00:22:59.38\00:23:01.34
How's that? Oh,
they love each other.
00:23:01.37\00:23:03.28
They get along
really well. Really?
00:23:03.31\00:23:04.86
It's really well? Yes.
00:23:04.89\00:23:06.00
That's great. That's great.
00:23:06.03\00:23:07.59
So everything seems
to be falling into place.
00:23:07.62\00:23:09.71
At a place. Well,
we're so happy for you.
00:23:09.74\00:23:12.96
I want to hear your ministry,
00:23:12.99\00:23:15.05
would you sing and
play something for us?
00:23:15.08\00:23:17.22
Sure.
00:23:17.25\00:23:18.69
Is this song
something you wrote?
00:23:20.90\00:23:22.74
I did not write this.
00:23:22.77\00:23:23.88
This is a song by a praise
and worship leader Tommy Walker
00:23:23.91\00:23:27.73
and it's just one
of my favorite songs.
00:23:27.76\00:23:31.49
Because there are times
00:23:31.52\00:23:32.90
when I didn't feel
like I was alone and I mean,
00:23:32.93\00:23:35.97
I was never a drug
addict, I was never,
00:23:36.00\00:23:38.42
you know, walking the
streets or anything like that,
00:23:38.45\00:23:40.98
but it was always good to
know that God was with me.
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Excellent. Beautiful, beautiful.
00:23:44.47\00:23:47.03
I have a Maker
00:23:53.79\00:24:00.02
He formed my heart
00:24:03.28\00:24:07.76
Before even time began
00:24:12.57\00:24:18.94
My life was in His hands
00:24:20.34\00:24:26.90
And He knows my name
00:24:31.22\00:24:36.03
He knows my every thought
00:24:40.79\00:24:47.28
And He sees each tear that falls
00:24:50.06\00:24:58.03
And He hears me when I call
00:24:58.06\00:25:03.99
Jesus hears me when I call
00:25:06.81\00:25:13.66
He hears me when I call
00:25:17.86\00:25:25.09
Oh, that was
beautiful, absolute beautiful.
00:25:27.57\00:25:30.31
This is amazing,
you know, that's great.
00:25:30.34\00:25:33.54
Bringing these two
ministries together.
00:25:33.57\00:25:35.86
And I know God has
a tremendous blessing.
00:25:35.89\00:25:39.33
Children, do you
want more children?
00:25:39.36\00:25:42.50
It's a negotiation.
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Well, you know, it's been a joy.
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Single parenting
brings a lot of challenges.
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Yes.
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But if you just holdout
and wait, and don't settle.
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Wait for what God has for you
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and God will bring
you a beautiful ending,
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not to the story
but a new beginning.
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Darryl and Arthur,
would you take us out?
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Well, you know,
before we do that,
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I just want to say
that it's been a pleasure.
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Definitely a pleasure.
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And I think that if the
Lord has a special blessing
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in store for
you and your family.
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Yes, and we're glad to
be a part of the village.
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Yes. Amen.
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And but we want you to come
back after the honeymoon, amen.
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Would you do that? For sure.
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We will. Thank you.
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Well, Darryl and
Arthur, would you--
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take us out, can I say--
can I say-- no, okay, okay,
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I leave that to
Heather, all right.
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Well, what you all gonna do?
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Take us out.
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Well, I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin.
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And I'm Arthur Nowlin.
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Thank you, for being
with us on "Making it Work."
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All right, guys take us out.
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Let's try Swing Low.
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Swing Low, all right.
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