Participants: Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin (Host), Arthur Nowlin (Host), Pr. Leon and Barbara Bryant
Series Code: MIW
Program Code: MIW000012
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00:01 Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin.
00:03 And I'm Arthur Nowlin. 00:04 And welcome to "Making it Work." 00:39 Welcome back to Making it Work. 00:40 Our topic today, "Transition and Changes." 00:44 Arthur, what comes to mind 00:45 when you think about transition? 00:47 Well, one thing is moving from one place to another 00:51 and that not literally 00:53 just moving from one place to another, 00:56 we're talking about also my mind changing 00:59 from one thing to another. 01:01 Adapting to that change. Yes. 01:04 Well, today we have two wonderful people 01:06 and they're very special to us 01:08 because they're our pastor and first lady, 01:11 Pastor Leon and Barbara Bryant 01:12 of the City Temple Seventh-day Adventist Church 01:15 in Detroit, Michigan. 01:16 Welcome to Making it Work. 01:17 Welcome. Thank you. 01:19 Good to be here. 01:20 Oh, we just, we love you both 01:21 and see one thing I have to say, 01:23 Sister Barbara and I had a history before and, 01:25 why you do that? 01:26 Because I know you were going there, 01:28 Kim, I mean... 01:29 'Cause we are Oakwoodites, 01:30 Oakwood University in Huntsville, Alabama. 01:33 Many years ago it was called Oakwood College 01:35 and that's where Barbara and I met as classmates 01:39 and living in the same dormitory 01:42 and we were there together and then when I found out that 01:45 she was coming to Lake Region that was wonderful. 01:49 Saw her at our camp meeting and then 01:51 and we were happy about pastor coming too, pastor. 01:53 Thank you for letting me part of this. 01:55 But it's always so good to have, 01:56 you know, one of your sisters 01:57 from school and college but... 01:59 Kim! What? 02:02 I have to ask you this question, Barbara. 02:03 Okay. 02:05 Was Kim the same as she is now back then? 02:08 Yes. 02:09 See, I knew something was wrong. 02:10 You see. 02:12 I don't know what you're saying. 02:13 And you were rude to me. 02:15 To clarify, Barbara, would you clarify that? 02:17 And you were saying? 02:18 Kim was wonderful at college, we had fun. 02:22 Okay. 02:23 Very, very professional as a student. 02:26 Okay, okay. 02:27 You know and she was just a pleasant person. 02:30 I appreciate that... 02:31 And she will pay you when we get this over. 02:34 You know, and then from there 02:35 I found out they were going to be coming 02:37 to pastor my church and I was so excited 02:41 because having the history of many, many years. 02:44 And you can't look back, you know, 02:45 over 30 years and say you're still friends. 02:47 A lot of people can't even say that, Barbara. 02:50 So I am so thankful to have them here today. 02:52 Well, let's talk about transition and changes. 02:55 How long have you been married? 02:57 28 years. 02:58 28 years. That's fantastic. 03:01 Tell us about, you know, how you met, 03:03 that first date and your wedding. 03:08 How we met is, met Barbara 03:12 when I went on my weekend. 03:14 My sister, who you went to school 03:16 with also introduced us and she was from California, 03:21 I was from Connecticut so we were on two different coasts 03:23 and she looked at me, 03:26 I looked to her and then we went our separate ways, 03:29 and then I came down to school the next year 03:31 and I looked to be able to matriculate 03:35 and study hard and do things I needed to do 03:37 and we had some similar interests. 03:39 We enjoyed sports and enjoyed the different activities 03:42 that we were involved in 03:43 and so we just spotted to start spending time together 03:46 and studying together and doing other things together 03:49 and so that developed and there were times when she-- 03:53 the thought was that she was concerned about 03:56 whether I was up to her speed. 03:59 But we made things workout 04:03 that we were able to communicate and work it out. 04:05 Our first date I think was at Burger King. 04:07 At Burger King. 04:08 At Burger King, with vegetarian whopper. 04:09 And just enjoyed that 04:11 and so then we just grew from there. 04:13 Okay. 04:14 Pastor, did you pay for the meal? 04:15 I did, I did. Okay, no dutch. 04:16 No dutch, we didn't do dutch that time 04:19 because I invited her out and so... 04:21 But, you know, later on she would, 04:23 if she had a little bit of money, 04:24 she would help out with what I needed, 04:26 if I had a little bit of money 04:27 we happen to be struggling students. 04:29 Team players. 04:30 Team, team had to be a team. 04:31 Remain one. Excellent. 04:33 So how soon after you started dating, 04:35 did you get engaged and then married? 04:39 Two years. Two years. 04:41 I think it was two years. 04:42 We both finished up college at the same time. 04:46 Graduated together. Oakwood, 1982. 04:48 And then I went to the east coast, 04:52 my mother was sick and so I went to spend time with her. 04:55 Till she passed and Barbara's mother was in California 04:58 and she spent time until she passed 05:00 and so we were engaged like 05:03 and asked her to be my wife 05:07 and so then we set a date and after her mother died, 05:10 we moved the date up and decide to go ahead 05:13 and be married in July, July the 17th. 05:16 July 17th. Excellent. 05:17 In 1983. 05:18 All right. That's great. 05:20 To celebrate 28 years. Yeah. 05:22 That's wonderful. Now, you have two children. 05:23 How old are your children? Oh, goodness. 05:26 23 and 24. 05:29 24. 05:30 Both graduates of Oakwood University. 05:31 Yes. I know you're very proud. 05:33 Very proud of them, yes. In what field are they? 05:37 Lyon is in business marketing and Lenzy is in social work. 05:41 Following mother's footsteps. 05:42 Following her mother's social work. 05:44 That's the bond. All right, all right. 05:47 Now, tell us how many churches, 05:50 you know, Barbara when you started dating pastor 05:53 you know he was in theology. 05:54 Yes. You knew-- 05:55 Did you any idea that it would entail 05:58 all that you've gone through. 06:01 Not really because when we got married, 06:03 we weren't in the ministry at that time. 06:06 So we lived in Maryland around his family 06:10 and we were involved in the church at Brinklow. 06:14 But when he did get the call, 06:17 we moved to Texas and that was an eye-opener, 06:22 that was a learning experience. 06:23 Why was it an eye-opener for you? 06:29 The first church, when we drove up to it, 06:32 I was looking for a physical church building 06:37 and it was not a physical church building. 06:39 It was a garage that was renovated to a church. 06:46 So that caught me off guard. 06:50 But our second church was an actual church building, 06:52 so I was okay with that. 06:54 So I just had to get used to being in a garage 06:58 which they renovated into a church. 07:02 So that was an experience for me. 07:03 That was an experience, that's understandable. 07:05 The good thing about that though is Barbara 07:09 having come from and been around ministers 07:12 and individuals, pastoral families, 07:15 all over her life she rolled up her sleeves, 07:17 loved the individuals there at the church, 07:19 whether we were in a regular church 07:21 or whether we were in a converted facility building 07:24 and we were able to work together 07:26 and move the church from that particular facility 07:28 and moved it into something else 07:29 and now the church has grown. 07:31 They've gone ahead and own the property 07:32 that we were able to procure while we were there, 07:35 built a facility that is representative 07:39 of what we believed so... 07:42 Tell us about some of the challenges 07:44 that you have faced, 07:45 you know, in becoming a pastor's wife... 07:49 And also transition, you know. 07:52 I'll start with you first. 07:54 Okay, becoming a pastor's wife, 07:57 I was given a speech 07:59 that you cannot have friends in the church 08:04 and so I took that as the gospel 08:08 and I went in and I shook everyone's hand 08:12 and then after church I immediately 08:14 went and sat in my car. 08:15 I didn't mingle with anyone. 08:17 That was a very lonely time for me 08:21 and I said this can't be the way 08:24 a minister's wife is supposed to be. 08:25 You've got to get to know the people. 08:28 Right. 08:29 And so I had to say, I can't deal with that, 08:33 I better roll my sleeves up and be friendly. 08:37 How long did you go through that before you... 08:39 That was at our first church. Okay. 08:41 And they were such warm people. 08:45 And they were the ones who were there for me 08:47 when we had our first child so it helped me 08:51 to kind of relax and understand 08:53 what it meant to be friendly to our members 08:57 and let them minister to us as well as we minister to them. 09:01 That's beautiful, that's beautiful. 09:03 What a testimony. Now, about transition. 09:05 You know, how did that affect you, 09:09 you know, as a pastor, a young pastor? 09:11 I guess transitioning from not being in the ministry 09:15 to being feel like you have a call for ministering, 09:17 the process of learning how to minister 09:20 being involved in ministry you come in, 09:22 you're thinking actually you're supposed to know everything, 09:24 you're supposed be able to be there for everybody 09:27 and do everything for everybody. 09:28 My first pastored, I was, 09:32 what was considered bi-vocational, 09:33 I was part time and I had opportunity 09:36 to work at a full time job in a mental health field 09:39 as well as pastor a church. 09:40 And so spend the time running up and down the roads 09:43 and getting to know individuals and transitioning into that, 09:47 really had to realize and become comfortable with, 09:50 no, you don't need to know everything. 09:51 No, you don't need to be everything to everybody. 09:53 There are people within the church community 09:56 that can minister to each other's needs, 09:58 they've been doing that before you got there, 10:00 they'll be doing that after you leave. 10:02 And so that has been probably 10:05 the girding framework for transitioning into 10:08 and out of pastoral assignments 10:10 but that initially one taught me that, 10:14 you know, I could be a person, 10:16 I could be involved with individuals, 10:18 be real with individuals, have my ups and downs. 10:21 And then be able to still not so much be the perfect person 10:25 that have all the answers, 10:26 but that God will supply the needs 10:28 of the church communities 10:29 through all the people working together in the laity being, 10:32 laity and ministry being there together. 10:33 Together. 10:34 Pastor, talk to our viewers about, 10:35 just tell us what the seminary is? 10:37 And what that experience was like? 10:39 Okay. 10:41 The church, the Adventist Church 10:44 is very appropriately wanting its ministers 10:48 and individuals to be well trained 10:49 in order to be included and I had 10:51 excellent training at Oakwood. 10:53 Individuals that are excellent pastors, 10:57 excellent preachers, excellent theologians. 11:00 But the seminary allowed for me 11:03 and it's an opportunity for you to go ahead 11:05 and continue to develop your skills, 11:09 to develop your tools for ministry, 11:10 it's a master's level program, 11:13 allows you to be involved with other theologians, 11:15 other individuals from different parts of the country 11:19 and so it was for me, 11:21 it was a two and half year program 11:23 with different course of studies, 11:26 honing our skills and tools as far as theology, 11:29 speaking, counseling, pastoring churches. 11:34 I'm gonna allowed that at Oakwood 11:35 but was able to hone, 11:36 were able to hone those skills at Andrews University 11:39 which is right here in Michigan. 11:40 Now, there is an a particular organization 11:43 that you have to belong to, I don't know if you have to, 11:47 but I am sure most first ladies are involved in that... 11:51 You're talking about shepherdess? 11:52 Yeah. Oh, the shepherdess 11:53 You know, what is that? 11:55 You know I know it exists 11:56 and I've seen when we've participated 12:00 and tell us what it really does? 12:03 Well it's an opportunity 12:06 for pastor's wives to come together, 12:08 to share with each other our experiences 12:15 and to help each other. 12:17 Because it can be a lonely life for a pastor's wife sometimes. 12:23 So it's a support group. 12:24 So it's a support group, yes. 12:27 So it's important that we kind of come together 12:32 and do things together and just support each other. 12:37 Is that national or just like? Yes. 12:40 Oh, that's a national organization. 12:41 Yes. Okay. 12:44 Hey, it's international because there is a Shepardize Magazine 12:47 that comes out and it is from General Conference so, 12:51 from the General Conference, 12:53 where the Shepardize support one another all over the world. 12:55 So those magazines are only sent to pastor's wives? 12:58 Yes. Okay, I see. 13:00 Pastor let me ask you a question. 13:01 How many districts or churches or states 13:05 have you been transferred to? 13:07 Oh, goodness. 13:08 I think we've counted... 13:10 Seven, seven. Seven, seven. 13:13 We've pastored in Texas after we moved from Maryland. 13:16 And then we went to Albuquerque in New Mexico, 13:18 I loved that place, I mean, enjoyed the people there, 13:21 pastored a district there 13:23 and then moved to a seminary from there 13:24 and spent two and half years and then went back to Arkansas 13:27 and pastored the whole south east corner of, 13:30 north east corner of Arkansas 13:33 and then came to Indianapolis Lake Region Conference. 13:35 Enjoyed the ministry there and then now here 13:38 in where I'm at Detroit so... 13:41 Is that traditional for Seventh-day Adventist pastors 13:45 to move like that? 13:47 Yes, yes in fact we've been richly blessed 13:50 because our movement and transitioning 13:52 hasn't been as often as some others. 13:56 There used to be a time 13:57 when you were at a place for three years 13:59 and then you'll know 14:00 that you were getting ready to be moved. 14:02 But we've been able to be in places, 14:04 I mean in Indianapolis 14:06 we were there for just short of 10 years. 14:07 Is that right? 14:08 And Arkansas, we were able to be there for, 14:12 I think it was seven, eight years 14:14 and then at Arkansas, not in Arkansas 14:16 but in Dallas we were able to be there 14:20 little over six years so. 14:22 So how does that affect the churches? 14:25 You know the church that you leave 14:26 and the church that you go to, you know. 14:28 Yeah, the longer that you are able to be there at a church 14:33 and we call ourselves 14:34 as an Adventists church of movement 14:35 and that's the reason that ministers 14:38 were moved so often before because you didn't want to get. 14:41 But we find now that the longer minister 14:43 is able to be there and be affective in ministry, 14:45 to be able to get to know the congregations, 14:47 to be able to get to know the people 14:49 in the congregations, to know the history of the church 14:52 and to be able to interact with the families 14:54 and know how individual are connected 14:56 and then to be able to do effective change. 14:59 The longer they're able to be there, 15:00 staying vibrant, staying vital as far as the church community 15:04 and the community at large is concerned. 15:06 Then the better off for the pastor's wife, 15:09 pastor's wife, children as well as the church congregation. 15:13 So but, you know, there are different circumstances 15:16 that come up where ministers take different calls 15:19 and move on or churches feel like that 15:21 they want to go in a different direction and so, 15:23 you know, you just want to find 15:24 the right fit in that respect. 15:26 That's a blessing. 15:27 Now you or someone started this prayer line, 15:30 we have a prayer line in our church. 15:32 You know tell us about that 15:34 and how did that all come about? 15:35 Yeah, Barbara and I started praying at 5:45 in the morning 15:40 with a group of individuals 15:42 just getting on a conference call 15:43 and praying together and so we started that 15:47 and had just continued that 15:48 and prayer now was taken on a new avenue, 15:51 a new part of our life. 15:54 And so we did that and then when we came 15:56 and we were here at our church in City Temple, 16:01 felt like they needed to be something 16:02 that we could reach out 16:03 to a broader community of individuals 16:04 and we have several church members 16:06 that are in nursing homes, 16:07 several church members that are home bounds, 16:09 several church members that just can't get out 16:11 and so we started a prayer line in conjunction 16:13 with the North American division 16:15 having a 7 o'clock in the morning 16:18 7 o'clock in the evening, seven days a week. 16:21 Prayer, call for prayer for revival 16:24 and for indwelling of the Holy Spirit 16:26 and so we used to start at 6:55, 16:29 we would get on and be on for another 15, 20 minutes 16:31 and then we went through a book Mark Finley's book, 16:34 10 Days In The Upper Room. 16:35 Right. 16:36 And I've been going through that 16:37 and just finished up that 16:38 and we were looking at doing some things 16:39 with Steps to Christ, but it's been a rich blessing. 16:42 People not just from came in also from Detroit 16:45 but we have people that are on from Florida, 16:47 we have people on that are from Kentucky, 16:49 people that are on from California. 16:51 Talladega, Alabama, people from Detroit, 16:54 it's taken certain individuals, 16:55 people that are coming out and the elders of the church 16:58 have just picked up on 16:59 and they're really excited about it, 17:01 they are enthused about it and they are coordinating 17:03 and so I am just sitting back now 17:05 and just coming on and they asked me do something, 17:07 doing it or just praying. 17:09 One of the other things I just need to say 17:11 as Barbara talked about the Shepardize, 17:14 but the Lord had blessed some of the ministers 17:16 within the Lake Region Conference to come together 17:18 and we call ourselves a pastoral support network. 17:20 Oh, that's excellent. 17:21 Where we come together and we are praying 17:23 five days a week for different things. 17:25 We're involved in prayer, supporting one and other, 17:28 holding each other accountable, 17:29 encouraging one and other to be able to do the things 17:32 that we need to do within our churches 17:34 and such things that they need to held me accountable for, 17:36 they need to stop me and say, 17:37 look you need to check yourself on this 17:39 or then they will do that, 17:41 so we're supportive in that respect. 17:42 That's a blessing. 17:44 And that's through a prayer line also, 17:45 we get on the line 8:30 in the morning 17:47 and we pray together. 17:48 We have devotion and then have different individuals 17:50 to do different things. 17:52 Well, I am asking that you keep my sister in prayer, 17:53 I just found out that she has three spots on her lungs, 17:56 she has pneumonia. 17:57 She was on our line too. 17:58 That's what she said, she said you don't know 18:00 how much that helped her. 18:01 You know, I'm asking that you lift her up 18:03 and those of you who are viewing 18:05 just keep my sister in prayer, her first name is Rene 18:07 and so it was a blessing to her 18:11 and I think that's something you and I 18:13 definitely need to become a partner. 18:15 Well, definitely. 18:17 Because we believe in the power of prayer 18:19 and we do pray consistently 18:21 for our loved ones, family and friends. 18:24 Barbara, let me ask you a question. 18:27 By trade you are social worker? Yeah. 18:29 Yes, I think it's wonderful. 18:32 It's best I mean you know... 18:34 It's way to go, doing fantastic job. 18:35 You know, I'm on the other side, clinical side. 18:37 I'm a licensed professional counselor, 18:39 I'm on that other side. 18:40 But a lot of things that you picked up 18:43 in your profession came from me 18:45 and my guidance and, you know, 18:46 my willing to show you different techniques 18:49 that's gonna be beneficial. 18:50 You know, I praise the Lord for a humble husband. 18:53 And being in biblical order, 18:54 being obedient, being submissive. 18:56 Thank you. 18:57 I heard that, now that's today. 19:00 Well, but praise the Lord, that's today. 19:02 But, you know, how has that been an asset, 19:06 I'm sure it has been, being able to help 19:09 your congregations and seeing some of the issues 19:12 that's in your churches? 19:14 Well, it's an asset because you're able to listen 19:18 to some of the members 19:19 who feel comfortable in coming to me 19:24 and knowing that I'm not going to discuss 19:28 that with anyone else. 19:30 So confidentiality is important in the field of social work. 19:34 Yes. 19:35 Understanding that everything there is a process 19:38 that we have to go through. 19:40 Oh, yes. 19:41 But it's important that people 19:43 take responsibility for their situation. 19:47 Definitely. 19:48 And they need to come up with their plan of action. 19:54 It's not what I tell them to do, 19:58 you know, they have to want to make that change. 20:01 'Cause these are all suggestions. 20:02 Yes. 20:03 So you do a lot of nurturing 20:05 and try to help them come up with their own solution. 20:07 Yes. 20:08 What do you see, at our church 20:09 we've been asked that we can implement, 20:12 you know, versus I know a lot of these churches 20:14 have the GED programs, we have a soup kitchen, 20:17 we have the clothing drive, 20:19 you know, but I think it'd be really beneficial for us 20:22 to have an open door counseling program 20:25 for our community, you know, and offer NA/AA program. 20:30 What do you think about that? That'd be a excellent idea. 20:35 Right now I'm working with the seniors 20:38 so there is a big need in that area 20:43 but NA/AA program would be wonderful. 20:47 It's just the matter of getting 20:48 the right individuals to commit... 20:51 To commit. 20:52 To being a part of this program 20:57 whether you have it twice a week or once a week 21:01 but you've got to get that commitment first. 21:04 And we are blessed that our church viewers have, 21:07 we are indoctrinating with a lot of educated individuals 21:11 and it's been our pastors, 21:13 you know, desire to see us all come together to be, 21:17 to work together to make this happen, you know. 21:20 I also believe that there is a certain sense of fear, 21:25 you know, when we're talking about doing something 21:28 that is different, especially when you talk about churches 21:34 that have been traditional in so many different areas 21:39 and I would think that, you know, 21:41 you guys being the head of organizations and churches, 21:47 you tend to probably run into situations 21:49 where it becomes difficult to implement any type of change. 21:53 Transitioning as we're talking about today 21:55 is that process that Barbara talked about 21:58 and it's finding out what the church 22:01 is able to move forward 22:03 and what they're gonna be fearful about, 22:06 if you make a suggestion, who makes the right suggestion 22:09 or who brings the suggestion because, 22:11 you know, sometimes I don't know 22:13 he's only gonna be here for a short period of time 22:15 and then that's gonna be changed so. 22:16 Right. 22:18 But those type of things, the longer that you're there, 22:22 you're seeing opportunities for individuals 22:24 to be involved and for them 22:26 to be able to take something up, 22:28 pick it up and run with it, to move with it. 22:31 I learned a long time ago, 22:33 heard somebody say a long time ago 22:34 that you can have departments 22:37 but really what you want to have is ministries. 22:38 And you don't have a ministry 22:39 unless you have a ministry leader. 22:41 So you need somebody to say, okay, 22:42 that's where my giftedness is, 22:44 that's where I want to be able to do, 22:45 that's where I want to be able to go. 22:47 Even though you are traveling all over, 22:49 this is your home church, 22:50 and so we just encourage you out to, 22:52 you know, come into campus. That was a good one. 22:55 Yeah. 22:56 That's a nice move. 23:00 And we're trying to do some other thing 23:03 but like you said it's good when we're homed, 23:04 to be homed to hear our pastor, 23:06 I was so happy to be at home just hearing my pastor spoke. 23:09 And because we do miss our pastor 23:11 and our first lady and we need to be fit. 23:15 And plus that's basically the only church 23:17 I ever really been belonged to, City Temple, 23:21 I'm talking about from the moment 23:22 that I got involved in church is City Temple. 23:26 So I mean, we're always willing to assist in any possible way. 23:31 You know, so and I think we've conveyed 23:34 that to you on many occasions. 23:36 Yes, you have, yeah. 23:37 I want to know how have your children, 23:38 we have about five minutes, 23:40 the children adapted to the change and transition? 23:44 Their children? Their children. 23:45 Yeah. 23:46 The interesting thing is that 23:48 Lord has blessed us to have two special, 23:52 I won't say special but they're a wonderful children 23:56 and we're enjoying their maturing, in their growing, 23:59 in their developing but the Lord blessed us 24:01 to make it a team approach and then a team ministry. 24:06 Both Barbara and myself 24:07 and then the children being involved 24:09 whether it's pathfinders, whether it's church school, 24:11 we talk with our conference 24:12 about we want to be in some place 24:15 where we have church school, 24:16 when we went to-- 24:17 and so they had just closed their church school down. 24:19 We were able to say no, this can't happen. 24:21 We've got children here 24:22 so we're opening back up the church school. 24:24 We opened it back up and there were people there 24:26 that didn't want the church school. 24:27 We came here to Detroit, 24:28 we went to Indianapolis 24:30 and there was a church school there, struggle 24:31 and it's a struggle to have church school in these days. 24:34 But it's worth it, it's an investment 24:36 and then here at Detroit, Peterson-Warren Academy 24:39 just having the individuals that we want to be, 24:42 I mean, you have lovely Aaron is there at Peterson-Warren 24:46 and that's an important part but you make it a-- 24:49 when you make that transition, 24:50 there's new opportunities, you got new friends, 24:52 you got new people, new aunts and uncles, 24:55 with new neighbors that you're gonna be around. 24:58 Different types of food, 24:59 whether you're talking about these people 25:01 from this particular area, 25:02 that particular area and so that's a rich blessing. 25:05 It was so funny, you know, many, many people 25:07 came up to me and ask well, how do you know them? 25:09 I'll say, you know, first lady and I go back 25:12 over 30 years at school. 25:13 How did you know Lizzie? 25:15 I said I might take him, 25:16 you know, as I was extremely good with children 25:19 and this is just who we are. 25:21 We are a family, we were connected. 25:23 And true when I saw you working at the camp meeting 25:26 and you were working in the snack bar together, 25:28 I said look at that teamwork, I have to roll up the sleeve, 25:31 get in the air and, you know, 25:33 and I'm telling you it's a blessing 25:35 and having you as superintendent 25:37 of the camp ground and then every workshop, 25:39 when I looked at Pastor Bryant, 25:41 you were in that workshop giving us support, 25:43 getting to know us 25:45 that you're still a capital city in Indianapolis. 25:47 You know, and I thank the Lord for that. 25:50 Well, we'll be right back to just 25:52 do a overview just for you. 25:55 Thank you for tuning in to Make It Work. 25:57 We'll be right back. 26:10 Welcome back to Making It Work. 26:11 I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin. I'm Arthur Nowlin. 26:14 Pastor and first lady Bryant, you can just tell our viewers 26:18 how to continue to make it work 26:20 in our last two minutes. 26:22 How do you make it work? 26:24 The thing that the Lord has blessed us 26:26 with is that the team work that comes in play 26:30 and she has her ministries, I don't overshadow her. 26:33 She is involved with the church in the areas 26:35 that she wants to be involved in whether it's music, 26:38 whether it's children's ministry, 26:39 whether it's hospitality. 26:41 And then she supports me in my ministry 26:43 and so just again we are supporting one another. 26:47 We are encouraging one another and she's not my shadow 26:50 but she is a person that does something 26:53 as far as that's concern. 26:55 She doesn't sit on any of the board. 26:56 She don't like sitting on the board. 26:57 No boards. No boards. 26:58 But she does, is in involved in the ministry 27:02 in such a powerful and mighty way 27:03 and we appreciate time to time 27:04 we've been able to be in ministry together 27:06 Lord has called us to do this. 27:08 That's a blessing and now she really-- 27:10 she didn't know was bringing 27:11 to praise the organization with music. 27:13 I got involved because of Barbara. 27:16 I just think that you guys represent style 27:22 and class in everything that you do. 27:25 Oh, thank you. 27:26 Yeah. 27:28 Barbara, can you in 30 seconds, how do you make it work? 27:30 How do you keep it together? 27:31 Prayer. Yes. 27:33 And working together doing things together, 27:35 we exercise together, every morning is wonderful, 27:39 we drink water together, 27:41 I mean we have this little plan that we're trying to work on. 27:44 And just talking and communicating. 27:48 It's a blessing. It's a blessing. 27:50 Well, we hope that you will come back with us again. 27:53 Yes. Well, thank you. 27:54 Keeping us at brisk and definitely 27:56 we want you to know even being pastors, 27:59 no matter what your profession is social worker, 28:02 you can make it work. 28:03 I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin. And I'm Arthur Nowlin. 28:06 Thank you and we'll see you next time on Making It Work. |
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