Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin.
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And I'm Arthur Nowlin.
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And welcome to "Making it Work."
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Welcome back to Making it Work.
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Our topic today,
"Transition and Changes."
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Arthur, what comes to mind
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when you think about transition?
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Well, one thing is
moving from one place to another
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and that not literally
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just moving from
one place to another,
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we're talking about
also my mind changing
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from one thing to another.
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Adapting to that change. Yes.
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Well, today we have
two wonderful people
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and they're very special to us
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because they're our
pastor and first lady,
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Pastor Leon and Barbara Bryant
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of the City Temple
Seventh-day Adventist Church
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in Detroit, Michigan.
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Welcome to Making it Work.
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Welcome. Thank you.
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Good to be here.
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Oh, we just, we love you both
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and see one thing I have to say,
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Sister Barbara and I
had a history before and,
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why you do that?
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Because I know
you were going there,
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Kim, I mean...
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'Cause we are Oakwoodites,
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Oakwood University
in Huntsville, Alabama.
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Many years ago it was
called Oakwood College
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and that's where
Barbara and I met as classmates
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and living in the same dormitory
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and we were there together
and then when I found out that
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she was coming to Lake
Region that was wonderful.
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Saw her at our
camp meeting and then
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and we were happy about
pastor coming too, pastor.
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Thank you for
letting me part of this.
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But it's always so good to have,
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you know, one of your sisters
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from school and college but...
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Kim! What?
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I have to ask you
this question, Barbara.
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Okay.
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Was Kim the same as
she is now back then?
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Yes.
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See, I knew something was wrong.
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You see.
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I don't know what you're saying.
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And you were rude to me.
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To clarify, Barbara,
would you clarify that?
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And you were saying?
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Kim was wonderful
at college, we had fun.
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Okay.
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Very, very
professional as a student.
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Okay, okay.
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You know and she was
just a pleasant person.
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I appreciate that...
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And she will pay you
when we get this over.
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You know, and then from there
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I found out they
were going to be coming
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to pastor my church
and I was so excited
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because having the
history of many, many years.
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And you can't
look back, you know,
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over 30 years and
say you're still friends.
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A lot of people can't
even say that, Barbara.
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So I am so thankful
to have them here today.
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Well, let's talk about
transition and changes.
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How long have you been married?
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28 years.
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28 years. That's fantastic.
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Tell us about,
you know, how you met,
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that first date
and your wedding.
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How we met is, met Barbara
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when I went on my weekend.
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My sister, who
you went to school
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with also introduced us
and she was from California,
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I was from Connecticut so
we were on two different coasts
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and she looked at me,
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I looked to her and then
we went our separate ways,
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and then I came down
to school the next year
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and I looked to be
able to matriculate
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and study hard and
do things I needed to do
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and we had some
similar interests.
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We enjoyed sports and
enjoyed the different activities
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that we were involved in
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and so we just spotted to
start spending time together
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and studying together and
doing other things together
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and so that developed and
there were times when she--
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the thought was that
she was concerned about
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whether I was up to her speed.
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But we made things workout
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that we were able to
communicate and work it out.
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Our first date I
think was at Burger King.
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At Burger King.
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At Burger King,
with vegetarian whopper.
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And just enjoyed that
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and so then we
just grew from there.
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Okay.
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Pastor, did you
pay for the meal?
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I did, I did. Okay, no dutch.
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No dutch, we
didn't do dutch that time
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because I
invited her out and so...
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But, you know,
later on she would,
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if she had a
little bit of money,
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she would help out
with what I needed,
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if I had a little bit of money
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we happen to be
struggling students.
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Team players.
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Team, team had to be a team.
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Remain one. Excellent.
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So how soon after
you started dating,
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did you get
engaged and then married?
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Two years. Two years.
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I think it was two years.
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We both finished up
college at the same time.
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Graduated
together. Oakwood, 1982.
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And then I went
to the east coast,
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my mother was sick and so I
went to spend time with her.
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Till she passed and Barbara's
mother was in California
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and she spent
time until she passed
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and so we were engaged like
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and asked her to be my wife
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and so then we set a date
and after her mother died,
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we moved the date up
and decide to go ahead
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and be married in
July, July the 17th.
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July 17th. Excellent.
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In 1983.
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All right. That's great.
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To celebrate 28 years. Yeah.
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That's wonderful.
Now, you have two children.
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How old are your
children? Oh, goodness.
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23 and 24.
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24.
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Both graduates of
Oakwood University.
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Yes. I know you're very proud.
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Very proud of them,
yes. In what field are they?
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Lyon is in business marketing
and Lenzy is in social work.
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Following mother's footsteps.
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Following her
mother's social work.
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That's the bond.
All right, all right.
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Now, tell us how many churches,
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you know, Barbara when
you started dating pastor
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you know he was in theology.
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Yes. You knew--
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Did you any idea
that it would entail
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all that you've gone through.
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Not really because
when we got married,
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we weren't in the
ministry at that time.
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So we lived in
Maryland around his family
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and we were involved
in the church at Brinklow.
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But when he did get the call,
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we moved to Texas and
that was an eye-opener,
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that was a learning experience.
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Why was it an
eye-opener for you?
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The first church,
when we drove up to it,
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I was looking for a
physical church building
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and it was not a
physical church building.
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It was a garage that
was renovated to a church.
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So that caught me off guard.
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But our second church was
an actual church building,
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so I was okay with that.
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So I just had to get
used to being in a garage
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which they
renovated into a church.
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So that was an
experience for me.
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That was an experience,
that's understandable.
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The good thing about
that though is Barbara
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having come from and
been around ministers
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and individuals,
pastoral families,
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all over her life she
rolled up her sleeves,
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loved the
individuals there at the church,
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whether we were
in a regular church
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or whether we were in a
converted facility building
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and we were
able to work together
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and move the church
from that particular facility
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and moved it into something else
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and now the church has grown.
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They've gone ahead
and own the property
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that we were able to
procure while we were there,
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built a facility
that is representative
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of what we believed so...
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Tell us about
some of the challenges
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that you have faced,
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you know, in
becoming a pastor's wife...
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And also transition, you know.
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I'll start with you first.
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Okay, becoming a pastor's wife,
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I was given a speech
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that you cannot have
friends in the church
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and so I took that as the gospel
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and I went in and I
shook everyone's hand
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and then after
church I immediately
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went and sat in my car.
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I didn't mingle with anyone.
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That was a very
lonely time for me
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and I said this can't be the way
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a minister's wife
is supposed to be.
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You've got to get
to know the people.
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Right.
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And so I had to say,
I can't deal with that,
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I better roll my
sleeves up and be friendly.
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How long did you go
through that before you...
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That was at our
first church. Okay.
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And they were such warm people.
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And they were the
ones who were there for me
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when we had our
first child so it helped me
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to kind of relax and understand
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what it meant to be
friendly to our members
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and let them minister to us
as well as we minister to them.
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That's
beautiful, that's beautiful.
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What a testimony.
Now, about transition.
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You know, how
did that affect you,
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you know, as a
pastor, a young pastor?
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I guess transitioning
from not being in the ministry
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to being feel like you
have a call for ministering,
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the process of
learning how to minister
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being involved in
ministry you come in,
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you're thinking actually you're
supposed to know everything,
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you're supposed be able
to be there for everybody
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and do everything for everybody.
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My first pastored, I was,
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what was
considered bi-vocational,
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I was part time
and I had opportunity
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to work at a full time
job in a mental health field
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as well as pastor a church.
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And so spend the time
running up and down the roads
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and getting to know individuals
and transitioning into that,
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really had to realize
and become comfortable with,
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no, you don't need
to know everything.
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No, you don't need to
be everything to everybody.
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There are people
within the church community
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that can minister
to each other's needs,
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they've been doing
that before you got there,
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they'll be doing
that after you leave.
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And so that has been probably
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the girding framework
for transitioning into
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and out of pastoral assignments
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but that initially
one taught me that,
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you know, I could be a person,
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I could be
involved with individuals,
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be real with individuals,
have my ups and downs.
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And then be able to still not
so much be the perfect person
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that have all the answers,
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but that God
will supply the needs
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of the church communities
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through all the people working
together in the laity being,
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laity and ministry
being there together.
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Together.
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Pastor, talk to
our viewers about,
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just tell us
what the seminary is?
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And what that
experience was like?
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Okay.
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The church, the Adventist Church
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is very appropriately
wanting its ministers
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and individuals
to be well trained
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in order to be
included and I had
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excellent training at Oakwood.
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Individuals that
are excellent pastors,
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excellent preachers,
excellent theologians.
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But the seminary allowed for me
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and it's an
opportunity for you to go ahead
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and continue to
develop your skills,
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to develop your
tools for ministry,
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it's a master's level program,
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allows you to be
involved with other theologians,
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other individuals from
different parts of the country
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and so it was for me,
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it was a two and
half year program
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with different
course of studies,
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honing our skills and
tools as far as theology,
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speaking,
counseling, pastoring churches.
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I'm gonna
allowed that at Oakwood
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but was able to hone,
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were able to hone those
skills at Andrews University
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which is right here in Michigan.
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Now, there is an a
particular organization
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that you have to belong to,
I don't know if you have to,
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but I am sure most first
ladies are involved in that...
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You're talking
about shepherdess?
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Yeah. Oh, the shepherdess
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You know, what is that?
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You know I know it exists
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and I've seen
when we've participated
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and tell us what it really does?
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Well it's an opportunity
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for pastor's
wives to come together,
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to share with each
other our experiences
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and to help each other.
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Because it can be a lonely life
for a pastor's wife sometimes.
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So it's a support group.
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So it's a support group, yes.
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So it's important that
we kind of come together
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and do things together
and just support each other.
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Is that national
or just like? Yes.
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Oh, that's a
national organization.
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Yes. Okay.
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Hey, it's international because
there is a Shepardize Magazine
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that comes out and it is
from General Conference so,
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from the General Conference,
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where the Shepardize support
one another all over the world.
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So those magazines are
only sent to pastor's wives?
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Yes. Okay, I see.
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Pastor let me
ask you a question.
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How many districts
or churches or states
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have you been transferred to?
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Oh, goodness.
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I think we've counted...
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Seven, seven. Seven, seven.
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We've pastored in Texas
after we moved from Maryland.
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And then we went to
Albuquerque in New Mexico,
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I loved that place, I
mean, enjoyed the people there,
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pastored a district there
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and then moved to
a seminary from there
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and spent two and half years
and then went back to Arkansas
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and pastored the
whole south east corner of,
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north east corner of Arkansas
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and then came to Indianapolis
Lake Region Conference.
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Enjoyed the ministry
there and then now here
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in where I'm at Detroit so...
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Is that traditional for
Seventh-day Adventist pastors
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to move like that?
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Yes, yes in fact
we've been richly blessed
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because our
movement and transitioning
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hasn't been as
often as some others.
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There used to be a time
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when you were at a
place for three years
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and then you'll know
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that you were
getting ready to be moved.
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But we've been
able to be in places,
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I mean in Indianapolis
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we were there for
just short of 10 years.
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Is that right?
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And Arkansas, we
were able to be there for,
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I think it was
seven, eight years
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and then at
Arkansas, not in Arkansas
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but in Dallas we
were able to be there
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little over six years so.
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So how does that
affect the churches?
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You know the
church that you leave
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and the church that
you go to, you know.
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Yeah, the longer that you
are able to be there at a church
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and we call ourselves
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as an Adventists
church of movement
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and that's the
reason that ministers
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were moved so often before
because you didn't want to get.
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But we find now
that the longer minister
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is able to be there and
be affective in ministry,
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to be able to get to
know the congregations,
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to be able to get
to know the people
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in the congregations, to
know the history of the church
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and to be able to
interact with the families
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and know how
individual are connected
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and then to be able
to do effective change.
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The longer
they're able to be there,
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staying vibrant, staying vital
as far as the church community
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and the community
at large is concerned.
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Then the better off
for the pastor's wife,
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pastor's wife, children as
well as the church congregation.
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So but, you know, there
are different circumstances
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that come up where
ministers take different calls
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and move on or
churches feel like that
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they want to go in a
different direction and so,
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you know, you just want to find
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the right fit in that respect.
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That's a blessing.
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Now you or someone
started this prayer line,
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we have a prayer
line in our church.
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You know tell us about that
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and how did that all come about?
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Yeah, Barbara and I started
praying at 5:45 in the morning
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with a group of individuals
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just getting on
a conference call
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and praying together
and so we started that
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and had just continued that
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and prayer now was
taken on a new avenue,
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a new part of our life.
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And so we did that
and then when we came
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and we were here at
our church in City Temple,
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felt like they
needed to be something
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that we could reach out
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to a broader
community of individuals
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and we have
several church members
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that are in nursing homes,
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several church
members that are home bounds,
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several church members
that just can't get out
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and so we started a
prayer line in conjunction
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with the North American division
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having a 7
o'clock in the morning
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7 o'clock in the
evening, seven days a week.
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Prayer, call for
prayer for revival
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and for
indwelling of the Holy Spirit
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and so we used to start at 6:55,
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we would get on and be on
for another 15, 20 minutes
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and then we went through
a book Mark Finley's book,
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10 Days In The Upper Room.
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Right.
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And I've been going through that
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and just finished up that
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and we were looking
at doing some things
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with Steps to Christ, but
it's been a rich blessing.
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People not just from
came in also from Detroit
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but we have people
that are on from Florida,
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we have people on
that are from Kentucky,
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people that are
on from California.
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Talladega, Alabama,
people from Detroit,
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it's taken certain individuals,
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people that are coming out
and the elders of the church
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have just picked up on
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and they're
really excited about it,
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they are enthused about
it and they are coordinating
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and so I am
just sitting back now
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and just coming on and
they asked me do something,
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doing it or just praying.
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One of the other
things I just need to say
00:17:09.86\00:17:11.18
as Barbara talked
about the Shepardize,
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but the Lord had
blessed some of the ministers
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within the Lake Region
Conference to come together
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and we call ourselves a
pastoral support network.
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Oh, that's excellent.
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Where we come
together and we are praying
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five days a week
for different things.
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We're involved in prayer,
supporting one and other,
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holding each other accountable,
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encouraging one and other
to be able to do the things
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that we need to do
within our churches
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and such things that they
need to held me accountable for,
00:17:34.63\00:17:36.82
they need to stop me and say,
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look you need to
check yourself on this
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or then they will do that,
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so we're
supportive in that respect.
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That's a blessing.
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And that's through
a prayer line also,
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we get on the line
8:30 in the morning
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and we pray together.
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We have devotion and then
have different individuals
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to do different things.
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Well, I am asking that
you keep my sister in prayer,
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I just found out that she
has three spots on her lungs,
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she has pneumonia.
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She was on our line too.
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That's what she said,
she said you don't know
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how much that helped her.
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You know, I'm
asking that you lift her up
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and those of you who are viewing
00:18:03.80\00:18:05.33
just keep my sister in
prayer, her first name is Rene
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and so it was a blessing to her
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and I think that's
something you and I
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definitely need
to become a partner.
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Well, definitely.
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Because we believe
in the power of prayer
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and we do pray consistently
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for our loved
ones, family and friends.
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Barbara, let me
ask you a question.
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By trade you are
social worker? Yeah.
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Yes, I think it's wonderful.
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It's best I mean you know...
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It's way to go,
doing fantastic job.
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You know, I'm on the
other side, clinical side.
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I'm a licensed
professional counselor,
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I'm on that other side.
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But a lot of
things that you picked up
00:18:40.61\00:18:43.33
in your profession came from me
00:18:43.36\00:18:45.30
and my guidance and, you know,
00:18:45.33\00:18:46.93
my willing to show
you different techniques
00:18:46.96\00:18:49.47
that's gonna be beneficial.
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You know, I praise the
Lord for a humble husband.
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And being in biblical order,
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being obedient,
being submissive.
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Thank you.
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I heard that, now that's today.
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Well, but praise
the Lord, that's today.
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But, you know, how
has that been an asset,
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I'm sure it has
been, being able to help
00:19:06.36\00:19:08.98
your congregations and
seeing some of the issues
00:19:09.01\00:19:12.10
that's in your churches?
00:19:12.13\00:19:14.03
Well, it's an asset
because you're able to listen
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to some of the members
00:19:18.11\00:19:19.52
who feel
comfortable in coming to me
00:19:19.55\00:19:24.47
and knowing that
I'm not going to discuss
00:19:24.50\00:19:28.77
that with anyone else.
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So confidentiality is important
in the field of social work.
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Yes.
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Understanding that
everything there is a process
00:19:35.85\00:19:38.86
that we have to go through.
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Oh, yes.
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But it's important that people
00:19:41.55\00:19:43.06
take responsibility
for their situation.
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Definitely.
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And they need to come up
with their plan of action.
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It's not what I tell them to do,
00:19:54.74\00:19:58.42
you know, they have to
want to make that change.
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'Cause these
are all suggestions.
00:20:01.37\00:20:02.70
Yes.
00:20:02.73\00:20:03.77
So you do a lot of nurturing
00:20:03.80\00:20:05.44
and try to help them come
up with their own solution.
00:20:05.47\00:20:07.28
Yes.
00:20:07.31\00:20:08.46
What do you see, at our church
00:20:08.49\00:20:09.91
we've been asked
that we can implement,
00:20:09.94\00:20:12.59
you know, versus I
know a lot of these churches
00:20:12.62\00:20:14.56
have the GED programs,
we have a soup kitchen,
00:20:14.59\00:20:17.44
we have the clothing drive,
00:20:17.47\00:20:19.32
you know, but I think it'd
be really beneficial for us
00:20:19.35\00:20:22.46
to have an open
door counseling program
00:20:22.49\00:20:25.66
for our community, you
know, and offer NA/AA program.
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What do you think about that?
That'd be a excellent idea.
00:20:30.10\00:20:35.14
Right now I'm
working with the seniors
00:20:35.17\00:20:38.96
so there is a
big need in that area
00:20:38.99\00:20:42.99
but NA/AA program
would be wonderful.
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It's just the matter of getting
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the right
individuals to commit...
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To commit.
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To being a part of this program
00:20:52.98\00:20:57.63
whether you have it
twice a week or once a week
00:20:57.66\00:21:01.07
but you've got to get
that commitment first.
00:21:01.10\00:21:04.26
And we are blessed that
our church viewers have,
00:21:04.29\00:21:07.34
we are indoctrinating with
a lot of educated individuals
00:21:07.37\00:21:11.52
and it's been our pastors,
00:21:11.55\00:21:13.94
you know, desire to see
us all come together to be,
00:21:13.97\00:21:17.59
to work together to
make this happen, you know.
00:21:17.62\00:21:20.85
I also believe that there
is a certain sense of fear,
00:21:20.88\00:21:25.47
you know, when we're
talking about doing something
00:21:25.50\00:21:28.02
that is different, especially
when you talk about churches
00:21:28.05\00:21:34.44
that have been traditional
in so many different areas
00:21:34.47\00:21:39.19
and I would
think that, you know,
00:21:39.22\00:21:41.08
you guys being the head of
organizations and churches,
00:21:41.11\00:21:46.98
you tend to
probably run into situations
00:21:47.01\00:21:49.58
where it becomes difficult
to implement any type of change.
00:21:49.61\00:21:53.24
Transitioning as
we're talking about today
00:21:53.27\00:21:55.39
is that process
that Barbara talked about
00:21:55.42\00:21:58.78
and it's finding
out what the church
00:21:58.81\00:22:01.24
is able to move forward
00:22:01.27\00:22:03.92
and what they're
gonna be fearful about,
00:22:03.95\00:22:06.78
if you make a suggestion,
who makes the right suggestion
00:22:06.81\00:22:09.27
or who brings the
suggestion because,
00:22:09.30\00:22:11.72
you know, sometimes I don't know
00:22:11.75\00:22:13.54
he's only gonna be here
for a short period of time
00:22:13.57\00:22:15.49
and then that's
gonna be changed so.
00:22:15.52\00:22:16.87
Right.
00:22:16.90\00:22:18.06
But those type of things,
the longer that you're there,
00:22:18.09\00:22:22.87
you're seeing
opportunities for individuals
00:22:22.90\00:22:24.93
to be involved and for them
00:22:24.96\00:22:26.48
to be able to take something up,
00:22:26.51\00:22:28.49
pick it up and run
with it, to move with it.
00:22:28.52\00:22:31.41
I learned a long time ago,
00:22:31.44\00:22:33.24
heard somebody
say a long time ago
00:22:33.27\00:22:34.89
that you can have departments
00:22:34.92\00:22:37.01
but really what you
want to have is ministries.
00:22:37.04\00:22:38.41
And you don't have a ministry
00:22:38.44\00:22:39.50
unless you have
a ministry leader.
00:22:39.53\00:22:41.24
So you need
somebody to say, okay,
00:22:41.27\00:22:42.66
that's where my giftedness is,
00:22:42.69\00:22:44.41
that's where I
want to be able to do,
00:22:44.44\00:22:45.73
that's where I
want to be able to go.
00:22:45.76\00:22:47.39
Even though you
are traveling all over,
00:22:47.42\00:22:49.37
this is your home church,
00:22:49.40\00:22:50.76
and so we just
encourage you out to,
00:22:50.79\00:22:52.76
you know, come into
campus. That was a good one.
00:22:52.79\00:22:55.14
Yeah.
00:22:55.17\00:22:56.20
That's a nice move.
00:22:56.23\00:23:00.14
And we're trying
to do some other thing
00:23:00.17\00:23:02.99
but like you said
it's good when we're homed,
00:23:03.02\00:23:04.56
to be homed to hear our pastor,
00:23:04.59\00:23:06.39
I was so happy to be at home
just hearing my pastor spoke.
00:23:06.42\00:23:09.77
And because we
do miss our pastor
00:23:09.80\00:23:11.61
and our first lady
and we need to be fit.
00:23:11.64\00:23:15.49
And plus that's
basically the only church
00:23:15.52\00:23:17.94
I ever really been
belonged to, City Temple,
00:23:17.97\00:23:21.49
I'm talking
about from the moment
00:23:21.52\00:23:22.84
that I got involved
in church is City Temple.
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So I mean, we're always willing
to assist in any possible way.
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You know, so and I
think we've conveyed
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that to you on many occasions.
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Yes, you have, yeah.
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I want to know how
have your children,
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we have about five minutes,
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the children adapted to
the change and transition?
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Their children? Their children.
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Yeah.
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The interesting thing is that
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Lord has blessed us
to have two special,
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I won't say special but
they're a wonderful children
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and we're enjoying their
maturing, in their growing,
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in their developing
but the Lord blessed us
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to make it a team approach
and then a team ministry.
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Both Barbara and myself
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and then the
children being involved
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whether it's pathfinders,
whether it's church school,
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we talk with our conference
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about we want
to be in some place
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where we have church school,
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when we went to--
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and so they had just
closed their church school down.
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We were able to say
no, this can't happen.
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We've got children here
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so we're opening
back up the church school.
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We opened it back up
and there were people there
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that didn't want
the church school.
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We came here to Detroit,
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we went to Indianapolis
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and there was a
church school there, struggle
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and it's a struggle to have
church school in these days.
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But it's worth
it, it's an investment
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and then here at
Detroit, Peterson-Warren Academy
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just having the
individuals that we want to be,
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I mean, you have lovely Aaron
is there at Peterson-Warren
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and that's an important
part but you make it a--
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when you make that transition,
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there's new opportunities,
you got new friends,
00:24:50.97\00:24:52.95
you got new people,
new aunts and uncles,
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with new neighbors
that you're gonna be around.
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Different types of food,
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whether you're
talking about these people
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from this particular area,
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that particular area and
so that's a rich blessing.
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It was so funny, you
know, many, many people
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came up to me and ask
well, how do you know them?
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I'll say, you know,
first lady and I go back
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over 30 years at school.
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How did you know Lizzie?
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I said I might take him,
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you know, as I was
extremely good with children
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and this is just who we are.
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We are a family,
we were connected.
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And true when I saw you
working at the camp meeting
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and you were working
in the snack bar together,
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I said look at that teamwork,
I have to roll up the sleeve,
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get in the air and, you know,
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and I'm telling
you it's a blessing
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and having you as superintendent
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of the camp ground
and then every workshop,
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when I looked at Pastor Bryant,
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you were in that
workshop giving us support,
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getting to know us
00:25:43.79\00:25:45.13
that you're still a
capital city in Indianapolis.
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You know, and I
thank the Lord for that.
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Well, we'll be
right back to just
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do a overview just for you.
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Thank you for
tuning in to Make It Work.
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We'll be right back.
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Welcome back to Making It Work.
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I'm Dr. Kim
Logan-Nowlin. I'm Arthur Nowlin.
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Pastor and first lady Bryant,
you can just tell our viewers
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how to continue to make it work
00:26:18.90\00:26:20.86
in our last two minutes.
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How do you make it work?
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The thing that the
Lord has blessed us
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with is that the team
work that comes in play
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and she has her ministries,
I don't overshadow her.
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She is involved with
the church in the areas
00:26:33.46\00:26:35.85
that she wants to be
involved in whether it's music,
00:26:35.88\00:26:38.01
whether it's
children's ministry,
00:26:38.04\00:26:39.25
whether it's hospitality.
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And then she
supports me in my ministry
00:26:41.46\00:26:43.70
and so just again we
are supporting one another.
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We are encouraging one
another and she's not my shadow
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but she is a
person that does something
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as far as that's concern.
00:26:53.85\00:26:55.16
She doesn't sit
on any of the board.
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She don't like
sitting on the board.
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No boards. No boards.
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But she does, is in
involved in the ministry
00:26:58.78\00:27:01.97
in such a
powerful and mighty way
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and we appreciate time to time
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we've been able to
be in ministry together
00:27:04.91\00:27:06.82
Lord has called us to do this.
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That's a blessing
and now she really--
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she didn't know was bringing
00:27:10.26\00:27:11.40
to praise the
organization with music.
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I got involved
because of Barbara.
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I just think that
you guys represent style
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and class in
everything that you do.
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Oh, thank you.
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Yeah.
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Barbara, can you in 30 seconds,
how do you make it work?
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How do you keep it together?
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Prayer. Yes.
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And working together
doing things together,
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we exercise together,
every morning is wonderful,
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we drink water together,
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I mean we have this little plan
that we're trying to work on.
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And just talking
and communicating.
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It's a
blessing. It's a blessing.
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Well, we hope that you
will come back with us again.
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Yes. Well, thank you.
00:27:53.12\00:27:54.55
Keeping us at
brisk and definitely
00:27:54.58\00:27:56.66
we want you to
know even being pastors,
00:27:56.69\00:27:59.09
no matter what your
profession is social worker,
00:27:59.12\00:28:02.01
you can make it work.
00:28:02.04\00:28:03.87
I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin.
And I'm Arthur Nowlin.
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Thank you and we'll see you
next time on Making It Work.
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