Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin.
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Welcome to "Making it Work."
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Our last segment we dealt
with where's Arthur Nowlin,
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where do we start,
and how do we finish.
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Well, we talked
about where do we start.
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We started in Gary,
Indiana, being born and raised
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into a nuclear
family, mother and father,
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having three
brothers, two older brothers,
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and one younger sibling.
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His two older
brothers have passed on
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and his sister Connie
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from a previous
marriage of his mother.
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He has gone to Vietnam
and he served in the military,
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in the air force and
where he was injured.
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Came home and he
became addicted to heroin,
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started using
and selling the drug.
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One day he received a phone call
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from his cousin Joe
Smith related to his mother
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and said, "I need you to come.
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What are you
doing with your life?"
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And he said, "I
want to go to school."
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He said, "Well, then, you
need to move to Ann Arbor."
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Well, Arthur didn't
want to go to Ann Arbor
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because it was cold.
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But his uncle, his
cousin said to him,
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"If you don't come, I
will come and get you."
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Some time had lapsed
and his cousin called again,
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"Why aren't you here?"
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And then Arthur moved
and relocated to Ann Arbor.
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Joe Smith and his
family took him in,
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and they loved
him as their very own.
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He and his wife,
Dorothy L. Smith,
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who we've come to love dearly.
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Now how do we finish?
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Since that time
earning his degrees
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and coming and being a part
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of the
Seventh-day Adventist message,
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but remember he was
born and raised Catholic,
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attended Catholic schools.
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And then one day,
he met a wonderful,
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beautiful woman
by the name of Kim.
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And through that he came
into this wonderful message.
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And I don't say that lightly
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because I really allow
the Lord to minister to me.
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And I was not
going to compromise.
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I did not want to
marry out of my faith
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and I did not want to
become unequally yoked
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being married to someone
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who was not a
Seventh-day Adventist.
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I wanted to marry someone
in the same denomination,
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the same church,
to work together.
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But Arthur was Catholic.
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So I invited him to church.
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And he's going to
tell you the rest.
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Welcome back,
Arthur. How are you?
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I'm fine, Kim. How are you?
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I'm good. I want to say,
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you know, I know
this is not easy.
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I know that you shared a
lot of personal information,
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but I know that
truly God is being used
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through this broadcast.
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So now you
accepted this message.
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You were-- You came to church.
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Tell them what
really captivated you.
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Actually, we have to
really step back to--
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Okay, step back.
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You know, prior to church,
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you know, when I first saw you,
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and you first saw me.
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You were with your cousin Karen.
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I was with my
cousin Karen at a function.
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At a function
for Dionne Warwick.
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I think it was something
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where it was
related to AIDS prevention
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or something like that.
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And I was there with
some friends of mine.
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And we were acting as a
makeshift security force.
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Right, that's right.
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So we were trying to give
the presence of a security.
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And you came in,
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and our heads turned
to you and your cousin.
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And they wanted to
find out right away
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who are these women coming
into this place, you know.
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And that's how we first met.
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That's how we initially met.
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Yeah, you introduced yourself
and I introduced myself.
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But you can't
forget the clincher,
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when I saw you sit down,
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your friend told me
that you were married.
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Yes, he did.
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He said that Arthur was married.
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And I prayed all
night, and I knew it,
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and I told my
cousin Karen, he's the one.
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I'm gonna marry him.
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But when he sat
down, it was his socks,
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he had on the
most beautiful socks.
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See beautiful socks.
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And that was
it, I'm telling you,
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because my father,
grandfather, and my uncles,
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they all wore beautiful socks.
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You tell that story everywhere--
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It's the truth. It's the truth.
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You know, some people get
captivated by other things.
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It was your socks.
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So I'm gonna let
you tell the rest.
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You know, this socks thing,
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but when I found out that
you were attracted to socks,
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I went and got me a
few more extra pairs.
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Yes, few more socks.
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You know, so that
worked real well, you know.
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All right, what you did,
tell the truth, all right.
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So, but after that
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we had the
opportunity of attending
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another function together.
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Yes, we did.
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You came
separately, you know, with--
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That was with
my girlfriend Rita.
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And I was with a friend
of mine that I worked with.
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Yes, yes.
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So we kind of connected.
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And you eventually found out
that I was not married, so...
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Yes, I found out
through another mutual friend.
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You know, I said,
"I met Arthur Nowlin.
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He's such a wonderful person."
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And I said, "Too
bad he's married."
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I said, "Oh, I
didn't mean to say that."
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And she said, "What?
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Arthur is not married.
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Arthur is divorced."
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And I said, "Really?"
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I said, "Does he
have any children?"
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She said, "One son."
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I said, "Someone
told me he was married."
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She said, "Well, they
didn't tell you the truth."
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And I'm here to tell you I
really started praying then,
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all right, asking God
for another opportunity.
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I ran into you at the bank,
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but my whole ego was crushed
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because he didn't remember me.
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I didn't remember you.
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I was devastated.
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Only the first minute
I didn't remember you.
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Right, because I had on a hat.
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But how are you
gonna not remember me.
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Yeah, it was
something. I paid the price.
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Right, well, well, listen,
you were taking care of business
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and counting your money.
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And my other secretary
was urging me to come over
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and say something to you.
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So I was just, oh,
my God, I was already--
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I knew he was the one,
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and especially when I
found out you weren't married.
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So I called your
job to invite you
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to come on my radio program.
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Yes.
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But guess what,
his boss came instead.
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I was like, okay, I
can't-- I can't do this.
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And so I'm
trying to help out God.
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God did not need
my help. All right?
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You know, so I said,
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"All right, I'm gonna be still."
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So our mutual friend
was having a program.
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And I said, "If you
can get Arthur Nowlin
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to your program I will come
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All right?
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I will support your
son's PAL football team."
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Yeah, that's right. PAL.
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PAL was trying to get uniforms,
so I said I would contribute.
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So when Arthur walked in
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I ran to the
restaurant to just fix myself.
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Yeah, but you didn't
just run to the restaurant.
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What did I do?
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You must've tore
your skirt in the car
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to look more attractive.
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Oh, that was the first time.
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I tore the skirt by accident.
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No, this was-- No, this was--
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The first time at
the Dionne Warwick
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when you first saw me.
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You know, the second time
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I didn't-- I had a pant suit.
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Well, okay, if you say so,
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but I know there was a
torn skirt in there somewhere.
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It was a torn
skirt the first time,
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but it was a accident, you know.
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I kind of think
you did it on purpose.
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But the key was that,
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you know, the skirt
or the conversation,
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God reconnected us
for such a time as this.
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And it was so strange, you know,
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because we kept
running into each other.
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We kept running into each other.
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So after that you called me,
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and you asked to meet with me.
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And we went to eat lunch.
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And guess what, he put
everything on the table.
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He told me
everything about himself,
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his marriage, his divorce,
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his child, his
substance abuse issue.
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I was like, no way
I'm marrying this man
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or getting
involved with this man.
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He had too much
baggage, too much baggage.
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So you end up--
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you were going to the blues club
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because he plays
the harmonica, you know.
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And he said he would get out
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of that blues
club about 10 o'clock.
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I said, "Well, I'm in bed."
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So one Monday
night he came home early,
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and guess what, you called me.
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And then I said,
"You're home awful early."
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And he said he
wanted to talk to me.
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And I tell you from
there it just snowballed.
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Yeah, everything
seemed to connect because--
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I mean, I made a
decision that night.
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You know, but one of the
key components to all of this
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is during this whole
time you didn't know,
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but I was still searching
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to develop a
relationship with the Lord.
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I didn't know how to do it
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because I even went
back to trying to go to mass
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on a regular basis
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before I would go to
play golf on the weekend.
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And I would think that,
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I said something
is going to happen.
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I'm going to reconnect.
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But one of the things
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that kind of made
it difficult for me was
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when I attended the mass,
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no one ever came
up to ask me my name,
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who I was or what I
was even doing there.
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That whole
time? That whole time.
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And that was for about a year.
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No one asked you any questions.
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Ever. Okay.
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And so it just dawned on me,
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this is not where
I'm supposed to be.
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All right.
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But when you
invited me to church,
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and you told me about
going to church on Saturday
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I kind of questioned.
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I was like, go to
church on Saturday?
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Who goes to church on Saturday?
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He laughed at me.
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You know, but I
was still searching,
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I was willing to go.
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And let me say
that the clincher was
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when I walked into
the church, City Temple,
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and as I went inside that church
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I saw groups of
people in certain areas,
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and they were doing something,
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communicating and conversing.
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And it seemed like
it was so exciting.
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And I got
excited just coming in.
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I said, "What
are they doing here?"
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You said, "It's Sabbath school.
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I said, "This is
where I need to be,
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this is what I need to do,
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because I need to find
out about the word of God."
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Let me explain to you
what Sabbath school is.
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It's a meeting
where we discuss a lesson.
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We receive a booklet
every quarter, every 3 months
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in the
Seventh-day Adventist church.
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They're written
by different minister
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within our denomination.
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And in that we have
classes in our various churches.
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So when Arthur came in
that Saturday morning, 9:15,
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he saw these
different groups studying,
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and he was searching, looking,
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and that's when I directed
him to the new believers class
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under the balcony
and he started studying
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in his Sabbath school quarterly.
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Yes, and it's been
a blessing ever since.
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You know, because it
really helped me thrive.
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Yes.
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Can I ask you a question? Yes.
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What happened in
your first marriage?
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It was still uncertainty,
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still depression,
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not really dealing with reality,
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still using drugs
and selling drugs,
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and the drugs thing
because in my first marriage
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it was a good relationship
up until that point.
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You know, and when my son came,
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I stayed with him for the
first 6 years of his life,
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and then I
separated from the family.
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Your wife divorced you? Yes.
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That was difficult.
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It was very difficult.
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You know, but I had to
accept the responsibility,
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that was the difficulty,
me accepting the fact
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that my lifestyle
caused me to lose that marriage
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and the
relationship with my family.
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Okay, we're
talking about a family,
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you lost your family.
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And it was devastating.
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Once again, and I was just,
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I knew that I had to do
something to change my life
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because that's when
my life turned around.
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Because after losing my family,
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I said, "I'm not going through
the rest of my life like this."
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And I just made the decision
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that I wanted to
change my lifestyle and I did.
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You went through AA or NA.
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I went through--
Narcotics anonymous.
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NA for a while,
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about 4 years,
but prior to that,
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God works in mysterious ways.
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I went to my doctor and said,
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"Look, I need some help,"
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and I said, "I
need to find a way
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to get away from this lifestyle
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once and for all."
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And this doctor said to me,
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"Well, look, I have arranged--
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I can arrange a
flight for you tomorrow
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to fly you to New York
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where you can participate
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in a recovery
program in New York City."
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I mean in White
Plains, New York.
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Yes.
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And so I flew there
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and somebody was
waiting for me at the airport.
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They took me to this
place that was like a resort.
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And before I
walked on the first step,
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I had made a decision,
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the decision was made that
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whatever these
people told me to do--
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You were willing to do that.
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I was willing to do it.
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You were ready for a change.
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I knew I had to change.
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I knew my time was running out
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because I recognized that,
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I kept hearing
"I should've been,
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I could've been,
I would've been."
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How old were you
by that time now?
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I was, I think, about 28.
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Twenty-eight.
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So what kind of
relationship were you having now
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with your ex-wife, your son,
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and where was that going?
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With my ex-wife our
relationship was good.
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I mean we're
friends, we can communicate.
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Okay, but I'm
saying during that time.
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During that time,
my son was still--
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He was still connected to me.
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And my ex-wife,
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her relationship
with me was good.
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She recognized that
I was trying to change,
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but she had to
go on with her life.
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She got to go on with her life.
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So you went through that
program and you got clean?
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Yes.
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Got clean, praise God.
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And I never turned back.
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How long have you
been in sobriety now?
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Twenty-five years at least.
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So you've been
clean from drugs 25 years.
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Yeah.
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That's wonderful, Arthur.
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It's a blessing.
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But some things have
happened to you, too,
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because of your choice of drugs.
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Absolutely.
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What are some of
the health issues
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that you're addressing now?
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Right now I'm
dealing with diabetes.
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I'm dealing with liver disease.
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And it becomes
difficult at times.
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I've seen you go
through some difficult times.
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Yes, at one point a while ago,
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I would say, maybe
about 5 or 6 years ago,
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it was really severe.
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It was very touch and go.
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We almost lost
you. We almost lost you.
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It was some really
difficult times but--
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And I think--
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I remember waking up
one day, he was bent over,
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and he was in so much pain
because he was on the chemo,
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and that was prior to even then.
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Yeah, that was
actually about 10 years ago.
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And they said he only
had a short time to live.
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And I'll never forget,
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I went to the
hospital to get him.
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I went into the
room and they said,
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"There's
nothing else we can do."
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And I said, "No." I
refused to believe that.
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And I got in touch with
a lady who did holistic,
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and she introduced us to
pycnogenol and echinacea.
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These are herbs.
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And I met a
gentleman who was a doctor
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out of the Kellogg Foundation
in Battle Creek, Michigan,
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and he was here in Detroit.
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And he said, "Can
you meet with me now?"
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I had to literally
help Arthur get dressed.
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He leaned on me all
the way into the car.
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I had to put him in
the car, he was so frail.
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We got there,
about 20 minute drive,
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and he looked at Arthur,
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and he was able to tell him
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exactly what was wrong with him.
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He said, "We got
to change his diet.
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We have to let go
of a lot of things,
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but this can-- his
life can be saved."
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And that has been almost what,
15 years ago, 15 years ago.
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It's been a blessing.
It's a learning experience.
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I mean,
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we all have different adversity
that we have to deal with.
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It's just how you deal with it.
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Yes. And that's
the lesson learned.
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That's the lesson
learned, how you deal with it.
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I had to
recognize that what I did,
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you know,
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caused some
inconveniences for me
00:16:30.69\00:16:32.94
because of my
poor decision making.
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But the best decision
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I made was searching for
my relationship with God.
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Right now,
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I have no qualms about
what has happened to me,
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I have no problems
about sharing my experiences
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because God saved me.
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It has nothing to do
with just me changing diet.
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It has nothing to do with me,
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my experience in meeting
this doctor or that doctor.
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What it has was the
motivation, it was the light,
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the guiding light is
my relationship with God,
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and how He has provided for
me, how He's directed my past.
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So, you know,
and He's directed it,
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Kim, in such a mighty way.
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I mean I just had to sit
back and just enjoy the glory
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that He's given me.
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And I'm not
bragging on this situation.
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Well, I'm just saying
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this is the goodness that
He has demonstrated to me.
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Well, not so much to
enjoy the glory because
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all the glory goes to God,
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but enjoy the blessings
that He's given to you.
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Yes, the blessing.
All right, the blessing.
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Let me say also that during--
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since your baptism you served
as a deacon in your church,
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your home church City Temple,
Seventh-day Adventist church,
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Family Life co-director
with me on a local level.
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You have served 11 years
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as the Motor City
Federation president,
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that is a
organization of 21 churches
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that come together to
help support our youth,
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and we have special
programs for weekend period.
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Then from there went on to
join me in private practice
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with Kim Logan Communication
as my deputy director.
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And working somewhere.
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And working at
other facilities also.
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Radio,
television, writing articles,
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we've
co-authored books together,
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and now you and I
are the co-directors
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of the Lake Region Conference
Family Life Department.
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Yes.
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And that's where I
first heard this testimony,
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this story, and now
here we are together
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doing this
broadcast "Making it Work."
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Yes.
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I'm so proud to you.
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Well, it's the Lord.
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I know it's the Lord.
Everything is the Lord.
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And, you know,
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I really give
credit to my sister.
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Because the thought
that was planted in my mind
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when she hit that bed talking
about what she could've been
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and should've
been and would've been.
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That was the motivation,
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that was the thought
that continued to stay
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with me no matter what.
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No matter what.
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And it also put me on a
timeframe because I said,
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"If I don't change my life,
00:19:10.22\00:19:12.30
there's no other alternative
but for me to hit a bed
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and say what I should've,
could've, would've been.
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" It also opened a door
for me to be adventurous
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and say I can do all
things through Christ
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who strengthens me.
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Tell them your
favorite scripture.
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You know,
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"Trust in the
Lord with all thy heart
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and lean not on
thine own understanding.
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In all thy ways acknowledge Him,
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and He shall direct thy
paths." Proverbs 3:5, 6.
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And truly he has
leaned on the Lord.
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I remember some
of our adventures.
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We've traveled to so
many wonderful places.
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And he would tell
me, you know, Kim,
00:19:48.33\00:19:50.81
just learn to have
fun, learn to smile.
00:19:50.84\00:19:54.11
You're all
business, business, business,
00:19:54.14\00:19:55.96
but do you ever
take time out to enjoy
00:19:55.99\00:19:58.94
what God has given you?
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And I was like,
00:20:00.03\00:20:01.09
"Well, I'm doing
this, I'm doing that.
00:20:01.12\00:20:02.60
" He said, "No,
no, no. Have fun."
00:20:02.63\00:20:05.18
And I remember
our trip to Europe,
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we were in London,
00:20:07.16\00:20:08.76
and I wanted to go
to Buckingham Palace
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and I wanted to
go Piccadilly Square.
00:20:11.17\00:20:14.17
And Arthur from one
subway to another subway,
00:20:14.20\00:20:18.27
everywhere we've gone,
00:20:18.30\00:20:19.46
and we've traveled to
some marvelous places,
00:20:19.49\00:20:22.23
and you just soak
up life, every moment,
00:20:22.26\00:20:25.23
you use it,
00:20:25.26\00:20:26.36
you don't want
to waste anything.
00:20:26.39\00:20:27.68
You are on an
immediate call like you've got
00:20:27.71\00:20:31.24
to get things done,
00:20:31.27\00:20:32.66
and you sense this
in your whole life.
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It's a
testimony. It's a testimony.
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Because God has spared my
life for a particular reason.
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For such a time as this.
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And this is our time.
00:20:41.27\00:20:43.08
And this is the moment
that he wants us to go out
00:20:43.11\00:20:46.27
and let other people know.
00:20:46.30\00:20:48.01
Everybody's not born
into the church camp.
00:20:48.04\00:20:49.87
No, they're not.
00:20:49.90\00:20:50.94
And let me reiterate,
00:20:50.97\00:20:52.28
and when he says
born into the church,
00:20:52.31\00:20:54.17
when you're born into
a family being Christian,
00:20:54.20\00:20:58.95
being saved, being baptized,
00:20:58.98\00:21:00.93
I was born and raised
Seventh-day Adventist,
00:21:00.96\00:21:03.63
where I kept the
Seventh-day Sabbath.
00:21:03.66\00:21:05.18
I worshipped on
Saturday, and I still do.
00:21:05.21\00:21:07.36
He, Catholic, but he deviated.
00:21:07.39\00:21:10.14
But what
happens into your lives,
00:21:10.17\00:21:12.40
there comes a choice,
you said that earlier.
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Absolutely.
00:21:13.53\00:21:14.56
What happens to our
lives we have to make a choice.
00:21:14.59\00:21:15.63
Yeah, and you make decisions
00:21:15.66\00:21:16.92
if that's going to
benefit your life or not.
00:21:16.95\00:21:19.13
I have no
problem going to a school
00:21:21.06\00:21:23.60
and talking to young
people and to let them know
00:21:23.63\00:21:25.75
that they will
experience some adversity.
00:21:25.78\00:21:28.55
They will experience
some trials and tribulations.
00:21:28.58\00:21:31.19
But it's how you handle it
and how you pick yourself up
00:21:31.22\00:21:34.65
and you
continue to move forward.
00:21:34.68\00:21:36.39
Because I was
approached with drugs
00:21:36.42\00:21:37.77
and alcohol in
school, elementary, middle,
00:21:37.80\00:21:39.32
high school, even in college,
00:21:39.35\00:21:41.30
and I attended
Seventh-day Adventist schools.
00:21:41.33\00:21:43.23
But I made a choice. I said no.
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But then again, too,
00:21:46.11\00:21:47.15
I had substance
abuse in my family.
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My father, he was an alcoholic,
00:21:49.07\00:21:51.48
and I knew I did not
want that for my life.
00:21:51.51\00:21:53.39
And I didn't want
to marry an alcoholic.
00:21:53.42\00:21:55.73
I didn't want to marry
someone who used drugs.
00:21:55.76\00:21:57.86
And I did want to marry
someone in the same faith.
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Because my parents
were not of the same faith
00:22:00.49\00:22:03.68
and it caused a
lot of devastation
00:22:03.71\00:22:07.38
in my childhood.
00:22:07.41\00:22:08.74
So I knew what I didn't want
00:22:08.77\00:22:10.23
because I
experienced something else.
00:22:10.26\00:22:12.37
So, Arthur, when you
accepted the message,
00:22:12.40\00:22:14.65
other people were
coming up to me and saying,
00:22:16.40\00:22:18.55
"Well, are you gonna marry him?
00:22:18.58\00:22:19.83
What are you gonna do?"
00:22:19.86\00:22:20.89
And I said,
00:22:20.92\00:22:21.95
"When God tells
me to marry him."
00:22:21.98\00:22:23.44
And I never rushed him.
00:22:23.47\00:22:24.75
I think we had to
probably work out some issues
00:22:24.78\00:22:28.07
among ourselves of how to love
00:22:28.10\00:22:30.55
and how to
accept and how to trust.
00:22:30.58\00:22:34.01
That's really important
when people come together.
00:22:34.04\00:22:36.90
It's just not coming
together to the point where,
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okay, we're gonna get married.
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What's important is you
have to recognize if you can
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really love that
person and trust that person,
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trust and be a team
player with that person.
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And then we did receive
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Christian
counseling from our pastor.
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We went through
premarital counseling.
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I do recommend that.
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You know, Arthur, I
just-- I mean what can you say?
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You know, I mean,
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it's just so much
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to all that has
happened in our lives and,
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you know, Lord blessed us.
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We have beautiful children,
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we have three beautiful children
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who we love,
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and you're a good
father, you're a good provider.
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I'm blessed, I
got a good family.
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And you're a hard
worker. You're a hard worker,
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and I appreciate that.
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I'm very hard
working. Yes, you are.
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And I come from--
My family is that way.
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They were all hard workers,
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and they worked in a
steel mill in Gary, Indiana.
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You know,
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and my father
worked in a steel plant.
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And you know what else?
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Arthur and I are
both third child,
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we're the third child.
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A lot of similarities.
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A lot of similarities.
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You know, except I cannot talk--
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I'm more loquacious than you.
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Yes, you are.
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You know, you
are a gifted writer.
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You're very
loquacious with your words
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and your vernacular,
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and the way you come across.
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We team up
really well, you know.
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And I love you.
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And I say this with
all sincerity I love you.
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I am in love with you.
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I'm very blessed
that you are my husband.
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I appreciate that, Kim,
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because I also, I'm blessed.
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I'm blessed that
we've come together,
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that the Lord has
directed our path.
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And I just looked at--
He's not done with us yet.
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No, He is not done
yet. He's really not.
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Can we have some more children?
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He's done with that.
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I keep trying, I keep trying.
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He's done with that, Kim.
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You know, to my viewers,
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this is our story,
or my husband's story.
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And we didn't
keep anything from you.
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No secrets,
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because secrets
can destroy a family.
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But when I think about all
that my husband's gone through
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and the pain, I saw him use,
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when he had to give
himself the medication,
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when he was on
chemo, and he was so frail.
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And I just prayed to the Lord,
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"Please don't take
my husband, please."
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And they told me
until he was healthier
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I could not conceive.
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But I knew God was able.
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I want you to
continue to pray for us,
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pray for his health,
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pray for me as his wife
to be in Biblical order,
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to take good care of him,
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for us to take
care of one another.
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Yes.
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But I'm here to tell
you that through Christ,
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through Christ,
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God can strengthen
you and there's nothing
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too hard for God.
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And God is not
finished with this family.
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And I want you to know
that you're never alone.
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Never.
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Never alone.
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I want Arthur to
just offer a short prayer
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for those who are
hurting today and in need.
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Let us pray.
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Dear Heavenly Father,
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we're so grateful that You've
allowed us to let people know
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that no matter what that
You are there to assist them,
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to help them to get
through their trials
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and their tribulations.
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We ask now that You
send out a mighty blessing
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to all those that may
be experiencing problems
00:25:55.01\00:25:57.98
with substance abuse.
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No matter what the sin is,
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oh Lord, we ask that You help us
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to provide them
a beacon of light.
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In Jesus' name. Amen. Amen.
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In closing, Arthur,
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what can you say to someone
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who's now addicted to drugs,
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going through
something like this,
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what can you say?
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There's a way
out, there's a way out.
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You just have to keep searching.
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You never can stop
searching to find relief,
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to eliminate the pain
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because having any type
of addiction is painful.
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And you don't have
to experience that pain.
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God doesn't want you
to experience that pain,
00:26:41.74\00:26:44.71
but Satan is
comfortable with you
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to experience that pain.
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The enemy. Yes.
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Well, all I can
know is that my husband--
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You know, are you happy?
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Are you having a good time?
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I'm having a great time.
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You're enjoying your
life and you're golfing.
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You love to golf.
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You know, there's a
trip that's coming up.
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I know.
00:27:01.10\00:27:02.13
He's getting
ready to take that trip,
00:27:02.16\00:27:03.19
and I'm excited.
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Can I learn to play
golf next year with you?
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Kim, I don't think the
Lord wants you to do that.
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Why?
00:27:08.46\00:27:09.59
Why do you want to
put it on the Lord?
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I think he wants
you to stick to tennis.
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Stick to tennis. And
I'm going to do that.
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Well, we want to thank you
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for joining us in
our personal testimony
00:27:17.97\00:27:20.86
of "Making it Work."
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I am just excited for
what God is going to do
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in your life and
for you and your family.
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There's help out there,
there's Narcotics Anonymous,
00:27:27.92\00:27:31.10
there's Alcohol Anonymous,
00:27:31.13\00:27:32.50
there's substance abuse centers.
00:27:32.53\00:27:34.38
There are 1-800
numbers available.
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You can call our
office at 313-898-8200.
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And you can speak
to Mr. Nowlin yourself
00:27:41.25\00:27:43.37
and he will help you.
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He will walk you through
00:27:44.95\00:27:46.43
and get you to
the right facility
00:27:46.46\00:27:48.58
or right person to
help you become better
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and healthier and to continue
to fall in love with Jesus.
00:27:52.88\00:27:56.76
I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin,
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and thank you for joining us
on "Making it Work." God bless.
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