Hi, I am Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin
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and welcome to "Making it Work."
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You might be
wondering where Arthur is,
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usually he's
sitting right next to me.
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Well, today we're
going to talk to you
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from the Nowlin view point.
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We're in this with
you everyday, parents,
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we're married,
profession, working together.
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How to make it work?
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And we want to share
some things with you.
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About a year ago
I had opportunity
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to hear my
husband speak at a church.
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And I was really moved by
his words and his testimony.
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And I felt that he
should share that with you.
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How you're doing, Arthur?
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I'm doing great,
Kim. How about yourself?
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You know, it's different.
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I'm good, I'm good, thank you
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but, how does it feel to be
in that seat versus this seat?
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I'm a little nervous.
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No.
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And I'm a little apprehensive
because you're the host
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and you gonna direct
these questions to me.
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That's right, I get to ask you
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all these questions, you know.
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But I really want
to, you know, praise God
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for you and your testimony
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and your willingness to do
this because it's that easy
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what you're about to share
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and all of that you're gonna
share with our viewers today.
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And we want you to
know that you're not alone
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and I wanted Arthur to
know that you're not alone.
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God has seen you
using some, some miracles,
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I mean truly some miracles.
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Absolutely.
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Well enough from
me, I want to, you know,
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talk to Arthur
about his testimony.
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I know you were born
and raised in Gary, Indiana.
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Gary, Indiana.
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And you were born
into a nuclear family
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which is a mother and father.
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Absolutely.
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And you have
three other siblings,
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male siblings and one sister.
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Well, I had three male siblings,
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one female sibling
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and three of my
siblings have passed away.
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Three of your
siblings have passed away,
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your older brother Ronald,
David and your sister Connie.
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All right, you've
one living sibling
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Freddy, who is in Gary, Indiana.
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All right, so
you attended school
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and you were born
and raised Catholic.
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Yes, I was baptized--
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You were baptized
Catholic, all right
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and you attended
Catholic schools?
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Yes, seventh till
about the eighth grade,
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seventh, seventh grade.
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Okay, but
something happened to you
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during that time, what happened?
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Well, I recognized
that, at very early age,
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I was visiting a lot of
hospitals to see my mother.
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My mother was ill
for a quite a while.
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I think it was from
about age four to about seven
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and my brothers and I would go
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and see her at different
hospitals and periodically
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she will come
home and stay a while
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and then she will go
back to the hospitals.
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Okay, I'm sure
that was very disturbing
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for you being so young.
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It was
difficult. Very difficult.
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Okay, and at that time
your father was running
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the entire household
because mother was really sick.
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And I think God
had a special plan
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because my father
was a very good provider
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as well as he, he managed to do
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a lot of things around
the home that, the cooking.
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And the cleaning
and he worked, he worked
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and then he came in
and he would do that.
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He was a special person.
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Well, he did that dual role--
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He did that dual role,
very supportive to your mother.
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Absolutely.
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So at what age did
you lose your mother?
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My mother passed away
when I was seven years old.
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Seven years old?
What did that do to you?
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Devastated, I was devastated,
you know, one of the things
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that I used to do
on a regular basis
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and I'll never forget this,
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is that I would make excellent
grades during that time
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because I felt
that that was one way
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that I would help my
mother to get, to get better.
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I see.
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So in my mind the more
grades that I brought home
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that were good would cheer up
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because when I brought it to her
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and I would
take it into her room
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and she will go through
and ask me questions about it
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and she will have this
tremendous smile on her face
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and so I said, well,
I'm gonna keep doing this.
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You know, so that
was a motivation for me
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to do well in school, you know.
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So but when she
passed away, what happened?
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It was, it was very difficult
because when she passed away,
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I happen to be in
outer room of her bedroom.
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Okay.
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And it was early in the morning.
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And I heard my mother
crying and I heard the agony.
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None of my other
siblings heard that.
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Only you.
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Only yeah, well
I guess, only me.
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And during that time
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my father rushed
out of the bedroom
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and made a call
and the ambulance came
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and then by
that time my brothers
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and everybody was awake.
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Oh, no.
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During that time
it was very difficult
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so that next year,
school year for me.
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I failed.
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You failed?
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I failed, that was
at third grade I think.
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And you failed at third grade,
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so you have to
repeat the third grade.
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Yes.
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And your grades just...
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Nobody came to
really ask how I was doing.
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During that whole process...
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That whole process...
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Relatives, no one,
the priest in your church.
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The only thing
that they wanted to do
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was they wanted to split us up.
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They wanted to move the
boys to different homes.
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They wanted me to go to one home
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because one of my,
well as a matter of fact
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he was a neighbor, a
neighbor down the street
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who said that I want to
take care, take Arthur in.
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I want to raise him
and some of my relatives
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wanted to split
my other brothers.
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My sister was already out
of the home, she was grown.
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She was grown, so
your father said no.
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He said no.
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And he kept his
children together.
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Right.
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That is to be commended.
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Yes, definitely.
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So you repeated that grade
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and you went on through
elementary and middle school.
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Another
devastating point for me,
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I mean because the
people I was in school
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with that came
to me for answers...
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Right. They
have matriculated on.
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They went on. They moved on.
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And then you had to
repeat that in the same school.
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In the same school.
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In the same school, all right.
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So during that time, all right,
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so you made it through
the grade, you repeated it,
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went on to middle
elementary school, middle school
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and during that whole time
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it was still
difficult, still very difficult.
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It was difficult
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because I got a
lot of reminders.
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At one point what
happened was Mother's Day,
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you know, people would at that,
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a while ago we wore
like different flowers,
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I don't know...
If they still do...
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They still do right.
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The red corsage meant
that your mother was alive,
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the white one meant
that she had passed on.
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Correct. I used
to hate that day.
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You did. Yes.
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Mother's Day.
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And but my father
would always come home
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with all these corsages
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and, you know, we
have to wear them.
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You've to wear them. Yes.
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So you got
through that, all right.
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So now, did you have
any friends growing up?
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Did you have
friends in the community,
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the neighborhood friends?
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Well, I had
friends, I was pretty popular
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after I went to
the seventh grade,
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went to eighth grade
for some reason I started
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becoming pretty
talented in sports.
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Like in basketball. Basketball.
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Basketball was the thing for me.
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So, you know, the better I was,
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the more people
wanted me to be on their team
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and I got to
know a lot of people.
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Was popularity important for you
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at that time of your life?
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To some extent. Okay.
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But still it was a
loss. It's still a loss.
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It was still a loss, I'm
still dealing with that loss
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during that whole time.
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Okay, were you and
your siblings close?
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No, you know, I mean, I
mean we wanted to be close
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but we didn't know how,
I mean, my brothers were,
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you know, a
little older than I was
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and so they had their own
world that they dealt with.
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So it was very rare
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where we went to a
certain places together.
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And my father would,
you know, worked late
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and then come home
and do things around home
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and cook, I mean he
was a excellent cook,
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I mean so much so he could bake
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in all these different things
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and people
would ask him to bake.
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They would ask if
he would bake cakes
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and pound cakes and stuff so.
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In the community? Yes.
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That's
wonderful. You know, so...
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So now you're about to finish,
you made it through the school.
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You're playing basketball
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and you're coming
out of high school.
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You graduated from high school?
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Okay, then what transition
happened after high school?
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The first
semester I was supposed
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to go to college,
I had made, made to--
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I was accepted into
a particular college.
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Okay.
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And but some thing happened
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and I didn't go that
first semester after high school
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and then I got
drafted by the military.
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All right, so you
didn't go to work,
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while you're waiting to
get in school you got drafted?
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I worked but it was
like a part time job.
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I see. In the mills.
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Okay, so you got
drafted all right,
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you drafted into
the US Marine Core?
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No I went to the army,
I was drafted by the army
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but I went to the air force.
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You went to the air force, okay.
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Then from there you
served three and half years,
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honorable discharge?
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Now why didn't you finish out
your term or what is it called?
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I did finish it on, I mean,
I was discarded early outage.
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Okay, why did
you get early outage?
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Well, basically I was
wounded while I was overseas,
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you know, in the military.
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All right.
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And when I came back I really,
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I came back to
Michigan as a matter of fact
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and then, and I
didn't really like going
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to my new assignment.
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So I wrote my congressmen
and I complained about
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coming from a tropical climate
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to a freezing
climate in Michigan
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and we called
suicide marine mission.
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And it was cold up there.
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Very extremely cold.
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And they moved you
after you wrote to your...
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Well, my congressmen wrote back
and I was trying to figure out
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what, I mean why was
I'm given that assignment.
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So I brought attention to myself
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and so they indicated
that they wanted me to go
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to another assignment in Japan.
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But they wanted me to enlist
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for another three years
and I said I can't do it.
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Then you said no. And
they gave me early out.
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Oh, I see, all right.
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So from there, now
you're back in Gary, Indiana.
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Yes.
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Okay, what's going on in Gary?
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What's the climate of Gary now?
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Gary is going
through a transition,
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terrible transition,
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I mean drugs that
infiltrated the city.
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A lot of the people
that went to high school with
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that I knew had participated
into organized crime.
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And it was, the
crime had become so...
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What, devastating?
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Difficult for a lot
of people to the extent
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where people were
shooting and killing relatives,
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it's so, it was a
very difficult time
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and unfortunately people that
I knew had been assassinated,
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killed because
of that lifestyle.
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So you left Gary, Indiana
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seeing this city
one particular way,
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you know, thriving
family and then you go away
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for three and half years
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to serve your country, come back
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and it's a whole
different climate.
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It was so difficult
because I can remember
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one time I was, I saw a friend,
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I went to school, I
had a friend with me
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and we went to go talk to him
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because I had just returned home
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and as I walked over to see him,
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I saw these people
come out between the houses
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and they had like
rifles and, you know,
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and so we continued
to stay on the corner,
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but the friend I
went to talk to, he left.
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And this lady came out
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and she said you need
to leave off this corner.
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That's what she said?
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She told, told me
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and my friend
you need to go, now.
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So she said those
guys that came out,
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they are coming for you.
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For you? Yes.
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Why were they coming for you?
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They thought that we were
on the corner to sell drugs
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and we were
invading their territory.
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I see.
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So by the time
we got to the car,
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they had turned the
corner and they shot at the car
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and they shot against the wall,
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bullets were
bouncing all over the place.
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It was worst than me
being in overseas in Vietnam.
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It was worst?
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It was worst, I mean
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because, I mean it
was just that close.
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That close.
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Truly God ha His
hands on you even then.
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Absolutely,
because later it came out
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that it was a mistaken identity.
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And how many
lives have been taken
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due to mistake of identity?
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Absolutely.
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So now you're
back in Gary, Indiana,
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so what did you do?
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How did you, you know,
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did you get a job, go to school?
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What was going on?
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I got it-- I was
working as I indicated
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but also I was participating
in a lifestyle with drugs
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and, you know, selling
drugs and doing those things.
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And you were using
the drugs? Absolutely.
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Okay, what was
your choice of drug?
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I would be using
marijuana, heroin
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different things like that.
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Okay, now you were shot
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and some of the fragments
are still in your arm now?
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Were you put on
any type of drugs
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when you were in the
military? What were you put on?
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Well, we were, I was
on morphine for a while,
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that's the first
time I ever really...
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Any type of substance
in your bodies, you know...
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I was mostly
athletic my whole life.
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So your body stayed pure. Yeah.
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All right, so did you
get addicted to the morphine?
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For a while, I mean yes. Okay.
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You know, and
then when I came out,
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you know, it was just
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when somebody
introduced me to heroin.
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And heroin, okay. And
tell us what is heroin?
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What does it do to your body?
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It's a substance that is
made from the opium plant
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and it's more of a downer.
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You know, and it
can destroy your body,
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I mean it destroy
your internal organs.
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How long were you using
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that everyday, every other day?
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No, I wasn't but,
you know, it was enough
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because at that time it
was like 99% pure heroin
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that the
Vietnamese and that Cambodians
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they used that
as internal warfare.
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As internal warfare.
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So now you're addicted
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to the heroin,
all right, tell us?
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It was a difficult process
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to get out of my life, you know.
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I can remember when I came
home that sister of mine that
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I didn't really have contact.
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Connie?
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Yes, Connie came
to, this is right
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after I got back
to the United States,
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having got back to Indiana.
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She came and
found me to find out
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you know, how I was and
she wanted to be with me.
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Well, my sister had
already been in a lifestyle.
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My sister was a
very attractive woman.
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She knew a lot of people
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and she was in the lifestyle
where she was a kingpin.
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And what is that?
00:15:34.92\00:15:35.98
That means that
she was selling drugs
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and she was involved
into a five state cartel
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at that time, you know.
00:15:41.47\00:15:43.50
And she was using drugs also?
00:15:43.53\00:15:45.02
Yes, and she told
me about this place
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and we went to,
she went to show me
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where this place was
and I didn't even know,
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I've been in the
city all that time
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and she, and I
went into this hotel
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where she knew the people.
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And she intravenously
used drugs at that time
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and she almost,
and she almost died.
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And she did
this in front of you?
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Yes, and the person
that was in the house said,
00:16:12.27\00:16:16.94
man, you need to
take your sister.
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And you need to
get her out of here
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because if she
doesn't move around,
00:16:20.55\00:16:22.24
she's going to die.
00:16:22.27\00:16:23.89
And so I walked her
up and down the hall
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and I had just been
home for about may be,
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may be about a month,
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I walked up and down the hall
back and forth, back and forth,
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I was afraid and, you
know, there was people
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looking out of the doors,
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it was really a
place I didn't need to be.
00:16:37.21\00:16:40.12
You know, but
that's the lifestyle
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that we both
were in at the time.
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And then that's
where she would go
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and she will use
drugs and then...
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She was from South Bend, Indiana
00:16:46.86\00:16:48.95
because she was
living out of Gary.
00:16:48.98\00:16:50.78
So she came
because she heard about
00:16:50.81\00:16:53.48
the drugs and stuff
that was in the Gary.
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And you didn't know
about this place. No.
00:16:55.17\00:16:57.34
When you found
out about this place,
00:16:57.37\00:16:58.45
did you go back to
that place to use drugs? No.
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You never went
to that place. No.
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All right, but you
went to other places.
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Yes, and fortunately for
me what happened after that
00:17:04.46\00:17:10.65
is my mother's relative
found out that I was in Gary.
00:17:10.68\00:17:16.79
And he came and he
was looking for me.
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Okay.
00:17:20.36\00:17:21.44
And he found me
and he came to my home
00:17:21.47\00:17:25.10
and he asked me
what was I doing.
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That's Cousin Joseman?
00:17:26.77\00:17:27.85
Yes. All right.
00:17:27.88\00:17:28.94
And so he said that I
need you to come with me
00:17:28.97\00:17:35.12
and come and live with me.
00:17:35.15\00:17:36.70
Well, I was totally perplexed
00:17:36.73\00:17:38.48
because I didn't have that
type of relationship with him
00:17:38.51\00:17:40.78
and why would
he want me to come?
00:17:40.81\00:17:44.13
But he kept insisting,
00:17:44.16\00:17:47.80
he asked me what
do you want to do?
00:17:47.83\00:17:49.85
And I said well, I said
Jodi, I want to get education.
00:17:49.88\00:17:52.71
Okay.
00:17:52.74\00:17:53.77
I said but I'm too deep down
00:17:53.80\00:17:55.28
involved in this
type of lifestyle.
00:17:55.31\00:17:57.31
And you wanted to
get an education, why?
00:17:57.34\00:17:58.37
Why did you want to be...
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Because that was
one of the things
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I took from the military.
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I met a lot of people,
00:18:03.01\00:18:04.58
and lot of people
that had education
00:18:04.61\00:18:07.56
and that they insisted
they said, whatever you do man,
00:18:07.59\00:18:11.24
you know, get your education.
00:18:11.27\00:18:14.04
And one friend of mine
that didn't make it back,
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you know, he kept insisting
that I'd do, that I'd do,
00:18:17.64\00:18:20.55
so I was really motivated to do.
00:18:20.58\00:18:22.06
All right, okay.
00:18:22.09\00:18:23.68
So Jodi asked me,
my cousin asked me
00:18:23.71\00:18:25.95
to come up to
Ann Arbor, Michigan.
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Where I swear I'd
never return there
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because it was
so cold out there.
00:18:31.11\00:18:32.54
It was cold, all right.
00:18:32.57\00:18:34.10
And I said I'll
come that January,
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I'll come after January
and I'll come and I'll try.
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I didn't show up.
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He called to my home
00:18:41.02\00:18:42.52
and said if you don't
come I'm coming to get you.
00:18:42.55\00:18:44.73
He said I'm coming to get you?
00:18:44.76\00:18:46.60
He was that emphatic about
00:18:46.63\00:18:47.78
you being out
of that environment
00:18:47.81\00:18:49.89
and come in to live with him.
00:18:49.92\00:18:51.43
Yes. All right.
00:18:51.46\00:18:53.07
And so...
00:18:53.10\00:18:54.32
That's why he
goes back to a state
00:18:54.35\00:18:55.38
when it takes a village,
00:18:55.41\00:18:56.44
a family the support, all right.
00:18:56.47\00:18:59.24
So he came and got me,
00:18:59.27\00:19:00.48
well, he didn't come and get me
00:19:00.51\00:19:01.62
but he insisted that I come.
00:19:01.65\00:19:03.38
So I drove up and his
family opened the doors
00:19:03.41\00:19:07.54
and they welcomed me in
00:19:07.57\00:19:08.76
and they treated
me just like a son.
00:19:08.79\00:19:11.00
Just like that, you
just moved in just like that.
00:19:11.03\00:19:12.68
Yes.
00:19:12.71\00:19:13.95
You know, now you hear
that about other cultures
00:19:13.98\00:19:15.84
but you don't hear that too much
00:19:15.87\00:19:17.54
in the African-American culture.
00:19:17.57\00:19:19.27
And you went and
you lived with them
00:19:19.30\00:19:20.84
and you went to school?
00:19:20.87\00:19:21.99
And straight in,
they put me in school,
00:19:22.02\00:19:23.89
I went to Washtenaw Community
College for my first year.
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I graduated with that associate
in about a year and half,
00:19:27.94\00:19:31.64
as I was just taking
course and course and courses.
00:19:31.67\00:19:34.50
Well, they are in liberal arts?
00:19:34.53\00:19:35.60
Liberal arts. All right.
00:19:35.63\00:19:36.66
Then I went to
University of Michigan.
00:19:36.69\00:19:38.27
Okay.
00:19:38.30\00:19:39.33
While I was at the
University of Michigan
00:19:39.36\00:19:40.91
a strange thing happened to me.
00:19:40.94\00:19:42.46
And what was that?
00:19:42.49\00:19:44.49
My sister was
dying and I got a call
00:19:44.52\00:19:48.02
from my brother indicating that,
00:19:48.05\00:19:50.04
you know, if you
don't go see her soon
00:19:50.07\00:19:52.17
that you'll miss her.
00:19:52.20\00:19:54.81
So I was in class that
day. And I went straight home.
00:19:54.84\00:20:01.74
And I got some things and
I just drove down the road.
00:20:01.77\00:20:04.96
Well, in fact, one of the things
00:20:04.99\00:20:07.02
that did not happen
00:20:07.05\00:20:08.10
was he didn't tell me
where she was located.
00:20:08.13\00:20:09.80
He didn't tell me what hospital
in South Bend, where she was...
00:20:09.83\00:20:12.37
You didn't know anything?
00:20:12.40\00:20:13.45
I didn't know any of that.
00:20:13.48\00:20:14.66
But I'm just
driving down the road,
00:20:14.69\00:20:16.55
you know, and I didn't
have a cell phone at that time.
00:20:16.58\00:20:19.46
Because you were
determined to find your sister.
00:20:19.49\00:20:21.39
I just saw, I thought about.
00:20:21.42\00:20:23.10
So I drove down
the road and as I drove
00:20:23.13\00:20:26.18
and finally got to
South Bend, Indiana,
00:20:26.21\00:20:27.93
I recognized the
dome at Notre Dame.
00:20:27.96\00:20:31.86
And I said, man, I don't know.
00:20:31.89\00:20:33.38
I got to get to a phone
00:20:33.41\00:20:34.50
or some thing to
call and find out.
00:20:34.53\00:20:36.65
But I drove a little
further, passed Notre Dame
00:20:36.68\00:20:39.82
and it was a hospital on
the right side of the road.
00:20:39.85\00:20:43.23
I pulled into this hospital
I said well, let me try here
00:20:43.26\00:20:47.09
and I went up to at the
park, I went into the hospital
00:20:47.12\00:20:50.73
and went on to
the information desk,
00:20:50.76\00:20:53.15
but it was so crowded
and it was, it was confusion.
00:20:53.18\00:20:56.38
Yes.
00:20:56.41\00:20:57.46
And I couldn't talk to anybody
for while and I got frustrated.
00:20:57.49\00:21:00.67
I just started
walking down the hallway.
00:21:00.70\00:21:03.63
You just helped yourself.
00:21:03.66\00:21:04.70
I walked down the hallway
and this hospital had beds,
00:21:04.73\00:21:08.41
I mean different hospital
rooms on the first level.
00:21:08.44\00:21:11.47
Yes.
00:21:11.50\00:21:13.06
As I walked on the
fourth room that I came to,
00:21:13.09\00:21:17.07
I looked to the right
and there was my sister.
00:21:17.10\00:21:19.60
Right there? Right there.
00:21:19.63\00:21:20.95
You found your sister? Yes.
00:21:20.98\00:21:22.38
With out anyone
assisting you? Nobody helped me.
00:21:22.41\00:21:24.37
No one.
00:21:24.40\00:21:25.43
You know, as I
walked into the room, Kim...
00:21:25.46\00:21:28.48
Yes.
00:21:28.51\00:21:29.55
The doctor came behind me
about may be five seconds later
00:21:29.58\00:21:33.48
and asked me to leave.
00:21:33.51\00:21:35.40
He said, I'm
sorry but I need to talk
00:21:35.43\00:21:37.75
to my patient and you can go.
00:21:37.78\00:21:40.23
And she raised her head up
00:21:40.26\00:21:42.48
and said
whatever you have to say
00:21:42.51\00:21:43.94
you can say it in front
of him, that's my brother.
00:21:43.97\00:21:45.80
My, my, mine.
00:21:45.83\00:21:47.38
I stood by and wonder, Kim,
00:21:47.41\00:21:49.97
and as I stood
there he told my sister,
00:21:50.00\00:21:52.97
he said, Connie, I had
all the tests that we've had.
00:21:53.00\00:21:56.82
He said we've
come to the conclusion
00:21:56.85\00:21:59.42
that there is no hope.
00:21:59.45\00:22:01.56
He said it's
just a matter of time.
00:22:01.59\00:22:03.74
He said there is no hope?
00:22:03.77\00:22:05.25
He said there is no hope.
It's just a matter of time.
00:22:05.28\00:22:08.29
What did that do
to you at that moment,
00:22:08.32\00:22:09.92
when you heard those words?
00:22:09.95\00:22:11.25
I was like mortified.
00:22:11.28\00:22:14.97
I mean why did I have
to be here at this time,
00:22:15.00\00:22:19.13
you know, but...
00:22:19.16\00:22:21.26
But in a way, and
that interruption was good
00:22:21.29\00:22:23.74
because she didn't have
to hear those words alone.
00:22:23.77\00:22:26.26
Yeah, I mean if that
could add any comfort...
00:22:26.29\00:22:30.53
You know, I was
there as support.
00:22:30.56\00:22:34.24
As I walked over to
her, to the bed though,
00:22:34.28\00:22:37.24
to grab her hand or some thing
00:22:37.27\00:22:39.18
because I obviously
didn't know what to do.
00:22:39.21\00:22:41.51
She reached and
pulled her fist up
00:22:41.54\00:22:43.60
and hit the bed
with all her strength.
00:22:43.63\00:22:46.96
The IV pole is shaken
and she just hit the bed
00:22:46.99\00:22:50.62
and she said, I should have been
00:22:50.65\00:22:53.73
and then she came down
00:22:53.76\00:22:54.87
and she hit it
again, Kim, I mean, boom.
00:22:54.90\00:22:57.33
And she said I could've
been anything I wanted to be.
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And she hit it third time, boom,
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I would have been, I should've,
I could've, or I would've been.
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And all I could do
was just crying out
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as I reached out
to grab her hand,
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I noticed, you know,
tears running down her eyes.
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Yes.
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And I said to myself, I
do not want to die like this.
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That's what you said?
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I said that.
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So she's thinking
now, you know, remembering
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and reflecting what
her life could've been
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if she had not used the drugs.
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And now here you
are using the drugs
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and you're saying I
cannot die like this.
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Right, even
though I was in school
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I'll go back and use drugs
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and stop and
sell and do all that,
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even though I
was in the school...
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You're still
dabbling in the drug life?
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So where by seeing
your sister like that...
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It kind of opened my eyes.
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I mean because I just knew I
didn't want to die like that.
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Now here is your sister
dying, his sister is dying
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and how, you know, God
works in mysterious ways.
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And how those
words all this time
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possibly no one
else, school, coming back
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from Vietnam, living through it.
00:24:04.40\00:24:06.58
You made it, but
seeing your sister...
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Yes.
00:24:09.64\00:24:10.67
Hitting that bed. Yeah.
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That turned your life around?
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Yes, because it
didn't stop me right there,
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because when I went back,
I still managed to maneuver
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and do the
things that I was doing.
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But in the back of
my mind it was planted,
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the seed was planted.
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If you don't
turn your life around,
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then this is what
you have, it's waiting...
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And I didn't
want to die like that.
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We got about three more minutes
and so much of the story,
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you know, we're
gonna try to do a part two.
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But I want them to understand
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and know the pain you've endured
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and the hurt but not only that,
00:24:46.83\00:24:48.76
how God has brought you
to this wonderful message.
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God brought me here
because I was searching.
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You know, remember
I didn't want to die
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using anything
with that lifestyle,
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but God found the way.
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He put His hands on me, I
know He put His hands on me,
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all of the states
that I've told you.
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You know, they
happened in my life
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and, you know, my
sister finding her
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that was confirmation,
00:25:11.68\00:25:12.94
I knew that he had His
hand on me in special way
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and I knew that He
had things planned for me
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that I had not idea.
00:25:18.52\00:25:20.84
All I had to do
is to be open to it
00:25:20.87\00:25:23.62
and recognize that through
Him, He was gonna protect me
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and He was gonna
introduce me to new things.
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Oh, yes. I had
to be ready for it.
00:25:29.40\00:25:31.65
All right, we gonna bring
Arthur back in a few minutes
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but just hold on
because we want you to know
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how God brought
all this together.
00:25:38.84\00:25:40.86
We'll be right back
with Making it Work.
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If you've have just
join us today our topic,
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Where do we
start? How do we finish?
00:26:05.99\00:26:08.05
And my husband has
been sharing his testimony
00:26:08.08\00:26:13.50
and there's so much, so
we're going to have to do
00:26:13.53\00:26:15.92
a part two to the
story, because there's so much
00:26:15.95\00:26:18.19
and I don't want
you to miss any of this.
00:26:18.22\00:26:21.48
Arthur, you've shared
so much about your life.
00:26:21.51\00:26:24.40
Losing your
mother, going to Vietnam,
00:26:24.43\00:26:27.44
being shot, coming back,
00:26:27.47\00:26:29.94
being addicted to
morphine or heroin.
00:26:29.97\00:26:33.44
Seeing your sister
die but then God still,
00:26:33.47\00:26:36.44
He delivered you
from substance abuse,
00:26:36.47\00:26:39.00
brought into
His marvelous light.
00:26:39.03\00:26:40.78
How can you
just tell us briefly,
00:26:40.81\00:26:42.46
how did you come
00:26:42.49\00:26:43.68
into the
Seventh-day Adventist message?
00:26:43.71\00:26:45.61
It was strange case
because I tell everybody
00:26:45.64\00:26:47.88
all the time, I
was chasing a skirt.
00:26:47.91\00:26:49.41
He always says he
was chasing a skirt.
00:26:49.44\00:26:51.11
You know, and so.
00:26:51.14\00:26:53.12
You just happened
to have that skirt.
00:26:53.15\00:26:54.40
And I was wearing
that skirt, all right.
00:26:54.43\00:26:57.36
I mean that was the beginning
00:26:57.39\00:26:59.47
but I had a
burning desire to find out
00:26:59.50\00:27:04.56
what did God want me to do?
00:27:04.59\00:27:06.54
Yes.
00:27:06.57\00:27:07.62
And I had a burning desire
00:27:07.65\00:27:09.07
because I never
doubted that God existed.
00:27:09.10\00:27:11.68
I just felt that, you know,
00:27:11.71\00:27:13.87
I had been dealt a
real difficult blow.
00:27:13.90\00:27:17.29
All right, so you were baptized,
00:27:17.32\00:27:18.64
I will also say he
earned his associate,
00:27:18.67\00:27:20.92
his bachelor
science in education LMSW
00:27:20.95\00:27:24.56
from Wayne State University
00:27:24.59\00:27:26.09
as a clinical
licensed social worker.
00:27:26.12\00:27:28.94
Married and but
before we were married
00:27:28.97\00:27:31.25
he accepted the
church, the message, baptized
00:27:31.28\00:27:34.41
and he became a part of
the Lake Region Conference,
00:27:34.44\00:27:38.16
Family Life Department.
00:27:38.19\00:27:39.81
It's so much to this story
00:27:39.84\00:27:41.03
but most of all he
gave his life to the Lord.
00:27:41.06\00:27:43.53
Arthur we get it to
part two. Can we do part two?
00:27:43.56\00:27:45.58
I don't know, Kim, we
had to do some special,
00:27:45.61\00:27:47.55
had to cook something special.
00:27:47.58\00:27:48.76
I'm going coo because
you've got to know part two.
00:27:48.79\00:27:51.26
Listen, I got to close this out
00:27:51.29\00:27:54.80
but I want to
thank you for joining us.
00:27:54.83\00:27:57.41
God has His hands on this man
00:27:57.44\00:27:59.67
and he brought him into my life.
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I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin,
Making it Work, God bless.
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