Participants: Arthur Nowlin (Host), Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin (Host), Sandrew King
Series Code: MIW
Program Code: MIW000002
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00:01 Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin. And I'm Arthur Nowlin.
00:04 And welcome to "Making It Work." 00:38 Our topic for today is 00:40 the "Impact Of Spirituality In African American Males." 00:44 Arthur, what are some of those things 00:46 that are impacting African-American males today? 00:49 Well, one of the major things that African-American males 00:52 have to address is employment. Yes. 00:55 We're dealing with employment issues 00:57 that are nationally affecting our country. 01:00 Yes. Another thing is our education. 01:05 The education. 01:07 It's really important that our African-American males 01:10 have a proper education. 01:12 Yes, definitely. 01:13 Self-esteem, I think that is important 01:16 because a lot of our young males today 01:18 are not getting the self-esteem and the values 01:21 in their family of origin, in their parenting skills. 01:24 And they're really literally raising themselves. 01:26 Well, today we want to welcome Sandrew King 01:29 to "Making It Work." 01:30 Welcome. Thank you. Thank you. 01:31 How are you doing? I'm good. 01:33 Good. We understand recently you lost a loved one. 01:36 Yes. A cousin. 01:37 Yes. And our sympathy is with you and your family. 01:40 Thank you very much. 01:41 And we really appreciate you've taken time 01:42 to be with us today in this crisis. 01:45 Let's talk about our first question. 01:47 Our first question Sandrew, is who is Sandrew King? Yes. 01:51 Well, to answer that question is, 01:55 I'll simply have to say I'm a man of God. 01:57 A father, a son, a brother and being a man of God 02:03 I've also been called to be a minister to youth. 02:05 So there's many different sides of me 02:09 but they all have to work together to complete who I am. 02:13 Another part to that question is being a father 02:17 and also being a son, which role is more important? 02:20 Oh, by far being a father. 02:23 It's difficult at times when, you know, 02:25 I'm the oldest son and my mother is a widow, 02:28 a widower and there's times where she wants me to do 02:31 something and then there's times when my daughters have-- 02:33 I have to do something for my children so, you know, 02:36 getting oil changed for mom today 02:39 or spend daddy-daughter time where mom's oil change 02:42 will have to wait or I've differed that to 02:43 one of my other brothers because these are at times 02:45 where my life-- my children's life 02:47 where our relationship is being fused. 02:49 So they're always my priority. And mom agrees to that, right. 02:54 You know, because sometimes moms could be a little selfish, 02:57 I need this done and you're the only one that can do this. 03:00 Actually, she agrees to it. Not all the time. 03:04 She has her mom as well. All right. 03:06 You know, it's well, she is more understanding 03:10 but you know its mom is where she wants me do to 03:13 what she wants me to do when she wants me to do it. 03:15 Do you agree with the things that we were just discussing, 03:17 the facets of employment, education, self-esteem. 03:21 Some of these things aren't patching 03:23 African-American males today. 03:25 I think those are few but I think there are also some 03:28 that you guys didn't mention. 03:30 The lack of fathers in their home, 03:33 the role that society is playing in what determines 03:37 what a man is, when you are being told 03:40 growing up that you can't cry, this shows a sign of weakness. 03:45 And then you have those moments 03:47 when you're hurting, what you do? 03:49 Well, what we do as African-American men, 03:51 we turn that pain into anger and we lash out. 03:54 So we lash out at our loved ones, 03:56 the females in our lives, at other African-American males 03:59 because we haven't been taught how to deal 04:01 with our emotions and because dad wasn't there. 04:05 So that aggression that you just discussed, 04:09 when did you make a decision to turn 04:12 those feelings around or have you? 04:17 I thought I did and this week with the death of my cousin, 04:22 I realized that those feelings were still there. 04:25 Okay now. And-- 04:27 Excuse me for than you are but that's a good point 04:29 because I wanted to really talk about 04:31 this situation with your cousin. 04:34 Can you explain to us what happened. 04:37 And you know if this is something that you choose 04:39 not to talk about let me know. 04:41 Well, it was a senseless death. 04:43 He was intervening to on argument with my 04:47 brother and a young lady and in the process 04:50 of intervening the young lady took his life. 04:53 Okay. 04:55 Its still investigate so I can't speak too much 04:57 to the issue but it was the senselessness 05:00 and him being a husband, a father 05:04 and his daughter's birthday was the day after his death was. 05:08 You know, it's just-- I was angry, 05:10 and I'll be honest with you, I was not angry, 05:12 just not at angry at the person who did it 05:14 but I was angry at God because I looked back like, 05:18 "Okay Lord, I've been through all this. 05:22 I've been through all this and I've done all these things 05:24 for You and here I go again. 05:26 You know, and I hear You say it that You won't put 05:28 more on me than I can bear with. 05:30 Did You ask me before You put this on because I bear?" 05:34 And I got angry. 05:35 And I kind of turned the blind eye and deaf ear 05:38 to God this week. 05:39 I got to be honest with you. Okay. 05:42 Because I noticed a different Sandrew, you know, 05:46 because of our relationship over the years 05:49 and I just saw a glare in your eye and as I was communicating 05:53 with you it appeared that you may have 05:56 certain things but you really didn't internalize 05:59 what I was trying to say to you. 06:01 And I was trying to pull you closer like yesterday, 06:04 when I saw you because I recognize that 06:07 sometimes when we go through grief we really have to 06:10 communicate and share feelings about the whole experience. 06:14 Right, right. 06:15 You know, so but I'm gonna continue to pray for you 06:19 about this situation and I hope that 06:20 you get stronger and most importantly 06:23 I hope that you recognize that God had not turned away 06:29 from you under any circumstances. 06:31 God will never do that. 06:32 He will never leave or forsake us. 06:33 It's amazing that you say that because I don't know 06:36 what the transition was from Thursday to Friday where it was 06:40 angry, anger, anger, anger, anger. 06:43 Then Friday it went from anger to peace 06:46 and Saturday it was from peace to calmness. 06:50 And I think I have an idea what it was but, 06:53 you know, I'm just right now, this is amazing how that 06:56 transition took place because it was bad. 06:59 It was bad but God is still in the blessing business and-- 07:03 And you were able to cry? I had a moment. 07:06 You had a moment. 07:08 A moment because I was asked by my brother who was, 07:12 came within the church with me for a while 07:14 but reverted back to, you know, 07:16 he started doing his thing in the streets. 07:18 When he asked me to preach my cousin's funeral, you know, 07:23 it was because he asked me, because this was him 07:27 in our relationship that we had has been kind of tumultuous. 07:29 He asked me to do this for my cousin and for my family. 07:33 It was like, you know, I've preached other funerals, 07:35 I've to do this for my family. 07:37 So right now I am having to be strong for my family, 07:40 but there will come a time where there will be tear shed. 07:44 Sure, definitely. 07:45 Well, you have to purge yourself. 07:46 Amen. Tell me. 07:47 What are the some other goals 07:48 that Sandrew King has set for himself? 07:52 Well, because God has called me to youth ministries, 07:54 there is, I have, God has given me a vision 07:58 of what He wants me to do in youth ministries 08:02 and one day I would like to see an 08:06 extreme youth ministries weekend where we are reaching 08:09 young people in outside of the church and bringing them 08:13 in where they can see how God is moving in their lives 08:17 through people who have been 08:19 outside of the relationship with God. 08:22 And now they've come in and they see the transition. 08:25 So it's, you know, will be just a fun 08:28 but impactful spiritual weekend 08:30 where hundreds of young people come to Christ. 08:32 I heard about something last night that had took place 08:34 in Texas and thousands were baptized. 08:38 And different gospel organizations were there 08:40 and a husband and wife team, youth ministries 08:44 and they are taking it from one city to the next 08:48 and drawing out these young people to come to Christ. 08:53 Let's talk about your educational background. 08:55 Well, part of Detroit Public School system. 09:00 After that I kind of wearied off for a while. 09:03 I went back to school at a late age. 09:07 Did it be that late, Sandrew? 09:09 It was late to me because I should have 09:11 just continued through, went to WC3 Wayne State 09:15 and I did a year at Andrew University, you know, 09:19 and I think that was one of the most, 09:21 that's when I knew what God was truly calling me to do. 09:24 And our goal is to go back and complete 09:27 and get my bachelors in Youth Ministries 09:30 and then my Maters in Divinity so that I can-- 09:35 I don't want to be a pastor per se, 09:37 but I want to be able to preach the gospel to young people. 09:40 Young people Yeah. 09:42 Sandrew, I have to go back a moment, you know, 09:44 because there's a question that need to try to understand. 09:49 You have three children. Yes, I do, three little girls. 09:53 Can you explain to me how you have 09:55 three children at such a young age, 09:57 you know, what's going all of that? 09:59 Well, I was in a relationship. 10:01 I was in a relationship and got out of that relationship. 10:05 And it was a long term relationship and I was hurt 10:06 and I was angry and I jumped to another relationship. 10:09 And me and that young lady had-- 10:11 when we met she had two little girls 10:13 and I fell in love with them. 10:15 And we had a little girl 10:17 and it was no separation of the three. 10:21 They were all my girls unto this day when some ask me 10:24 how many children do I have, I say I have three, 10:27 one by blood and two by love. 10:29 So I have three children. Oh, isn't that beautiful? 10:31 One by blood and two by love. 10:34 And you know Arthur and I always say, you know, 10:36 when couples and we're going to be 10:37 talking this with step-parenting. 10:40 But, you know, how many steps 10:42 you have to take to be a parent? None. 10:44 How many steps? None. 10:46 When we make that commitment 10:48 to be in this relationship, that child is mine. 10:51 I don't like the labels of stepfather, stepmother. 10:55 I'm your dad, I'm not trying to replace 10:57 but you know the vow, we have to know our roles. 11:00 Tell me the role of-- 11:02 because the children are with their mother. 11:04 Yes. Primary. 11:05 What role do you play when you are involved with the children? 11:08 What do you do? 11:09 Well, ironically I'm a PTSA president at their school. 11:15 We have-- Isn't that a women's role? 11:17 Roles are changing right. I saw that look, Sandrew. 11:21 You know like my mother was in that role. 11:24 Okay, okay. Okay. 11:25 Why did you go there? 11:26 I know, I'm just you I just had to throw that out. 11:28 But years ago, women could only hold 11:31 those roles because men worked 11:33 and women were at home raising the children. 11:36 So women were there at the PTA meetings all right, 11:39 Parent and Teacher Association. 11:41 So now the roles have reversed. I just want to make that clear. 11:44 Well, I don't think they could only hold that role. 11:46 I think maybe they were more visible-- 11:49 And more available. I do agree with that. 11:51 All right. 11:52 Well, I just want you to know, I get off work at 3:30 11:54 and I go right to PTSA meetings you know-- 11:58 That's excellent. 11:59 So its not just, I have a job 12:01 but I also have a greater responsibility 12:03 to be involved my children education. 12:04 So all three of them go to same school? 12:06 They all go to same school. Right. 12:07 So now that's Parent Teacher Student Association now. 12:10 See, when I was a little girl it was 12:11 Parent Teacher's Association, the PTA. 12:14 That was a long time ago. A long. 12:15 No you didn't say a long time ago. 12:17 How long was that? 12:19 Maybe before that long ago, man, 12:21 they just changed that just a few years ago. 12:23 Okay. Okay. 12:24 Okay I'm convinced. I'm convinced. 12:26 You want to convince me then. 12:27 All right well, they have changed 12:28 and added that student association. 12:30 So you are the president. 12:31 Yes, and when it comes there, their formal, 12:35 their mother is the primary, she is at home with them 12:37 doing a homework and I come over at times and I help out. 12:39 But I pop up at school when I get a chance. 12:42 I dedicate every Friday to my children's education. 12:45 So I'm in their school every Friday. 12:47 You know, I stop in their class, 12:49 not to embarrass them but I stop in, 12:50 I check with their works, see what they're doing. 12:52 And they know that any given time that 12:54 daddy get a call and will leave work if have to, 12:56 to come up there and address an education situation. 12:59 How old are they? 13:01 Laila is eight, Aisha is 11, Aleysia is 12. 13:05 Twelve, so we are now looking with 13:06 sixth, seventh and eighth grade. 13:07 We're looking at third, sixth and seventh grade. 13:11 So how does their mom respond to that fact that you come and, 13:17 you know, you render assistance to her? 13:20 I mean, is she open to it? Is she open to that? 13:22 Because we are talking about now a relationship 13:24 where you guys were involved with each other 13:26 and now you're not to a certain extent. 13:28 Right. Well, to be honest with you, 13:30 I have not always been that involved in their education. 13:34 I would take them in school and be up at the school 13:36 but as far as being there for homework, 13:38 I wasn't there all the time. 13:39 So she is-- it is been a-- it was been a battle with us 13:41 where she was like, 13:42 "You need to be more involved in their education." 13:45 And I'm like I thought that I was doing a good enough part. 13:49 But good enough is not always good enough, 13:52 you know, because I can see where I didn't know things 13:55 about them educationally 13:56 that I should have known as their dad. 13:58 So I'm taking a more active role 14:01 and she is receptive of that. 14:02 You know, its times where I'm there 14:05 but there's gonna be times when they come to my house, 14:08 you know, and we have our homework time. 14:10 I'll pick them up after school. 14:11 But we are in a process of working out. 14:12 But she is very receptive to me being involved 14:15 because it's not just a one-- a one horse-- you know, 14:19 its have got to be both of us 14:20 working together to make this work. 14:22 So you talked about your goals of going on to get 14:24 your bachelor's degree, Master's of Divinity 14:27 to be a youth ministry, in youth ministry 14:29 to be able to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ. 14:32 Do you hope someday to marry? Yes, I do. 14:36 You know, I do believe that when God looked down 14:38 in the garden and saw that and said 14:40 it was not good to be alone 14:41 and He was looking at 2011 and saw me and said, 14:45 "It is not good that Sandrew should be alone." 14:47 So yeah, I mean, it's a part of being, 14:50 I think, Adam was incomplete until Eve came along. 14:54 It was a missing piece there and every man, 14:59 I believe every man was created to be a husband. 15:02 You know and I believe that it's my it's-- I want to be. 15:05 You know I look at couples like you and other couples 15:08 in the church or in my life and I'm like, 15:09 "That's what I want." 15:10 But I have to first be ready-- Be ready-- 15:12 To be a husband. Right. 15:13 You know responsible enough to be with my finances 15:16 and myself to be a husband 15:18 because I've been single for roughly six years. 15:21 So its a transition is going to have take place. 15:24 So just because I want to be a husband doesn't mean 15:26 I'm necessarily ready to be a husband. 15:28 And I want to say that that's a very good point. 15:30 And I want to say this, while he is waiting 15:33 that's where you also our viewers, 15:36 you begin to work on yourself. 15:38 Look at yourself. 15:39 How you need God or yourself as an individual? 15:42 What things I need to empower me so that 15:45 I'll be ready for that transition in relationship. 15:48 And I can appreciate that. 15:50 Okay, Sandrew, now you know 15:52 we were going to a point, as you indicated that 15:54 you feel that you are ready now. 15:56 Is that correct? Yes. 15:58 Okay, give us some insight on your background. 16:02 You know, I mean, you apparently 16:04 was raised in a home with mom and dad at one point? 16:08 Well, mom for a majority of my life. 16:11 It's odd how it happened because from-- 16:16 it was always just me and mom. 16:17 And so I was a man at house at a very early age. 16:19 And it was me, my mother and my brother. 16:22 I had a older sister but she was tragically killed 16:25 when I was five years old. 16:27 And so mom became real her tight 16:30 her reign on children got real close. 16:33 So it was like, we were like tight unit. 16:36 Then she met my stepfather in 86. 16:40 Okay. They got married. 16:41 So it was still that transition where I was used 16:43 to being a man at a house. 16:45 And we bumped heads for a long time. 16:47 And he passed in 2000 in a tragic car accident. 16:52 So it was mom there most of the time and then the dad came, 16:58 the step-dad came, and the only man who really-- 16:59 you know he was dad. 17:00 You know he was a step-dad, he was dad. 17:03 He raised us and then he left then he died. 17:05 So it was once again back on me. 17:08 So majority of life, I would say single parent 17:10 then multiple parents, both parents. 17:13 Biological never really active in our life 17:15 but we have a relationship now. 17:18 So that's how I was raised, you know, in that structure. 17:22 Was brought up in the church for a while, 17:24 left the church and I was-- and when I say brought up, 17:27 you know, mom forced-- church was not an option. 17:29 You know, you went to church. You went to church. 17:31 Or you didn't do anything else. 17:32 So then I got to a point where I wanted to see 17:34 what the street life was. 17:35 You know, I did some things that my mom didn't know 17:38 that I was doing because once I, you know, 17:41 though she had a reign on us it was like once I got out, 17:44 I lived a different lifestyle. 17:45 I could be, you know, the good kid at home 17:48 but on the streets I was a whole different person. 17:50 Really? 17:51 And people are shocking when I tell that to people 17:53 because they look at me like, yeah I can't imagine that, 17:55 but and a lot of people couldn't. 17:57 So that's what made it easy for me to get away with things. 18:01 Tell us about the transition 18:02 from the street life to the body of Christ. 18:05 Oh, man. 18:06 First it was-- thinks its amazing how things, 18:09 how God does things in my life. 18:10 Everything has been surrounded by a tragic event. 18:14 I was in the street life, you know, 18:15 I went from selling drugs to promoting parties and doing, 18:18 you know, clubbing all the time. 18:20 And me and my friends, we had a little 18:22 production company and we threw a party one night. 18:25 And it was an okay party to start off with 18:30 but something in the atmosphere changed and there was a fight 18:34 that broke out and the fight went from two men fighting 18:36 to a group of men fighting. 18:38 Then some gun play got involved. 18:39 Needless to say that that party I threw, 18:42 two people lost their lives. 18:44 And that night I realized that I was tired of living that life 18:48 and I found myself in church, the next day, like in church. 18:54 And before the pastor gave the appeal 18:56 I was in the middle of the isle waiting for him to-- 18:58 it was-- I was just tired. 19:00 I thought that things I was doing was making me happy. 19:03 But I was not seeking happiness anymore because 19:05 happiness only comes when something happens. 19:07 So I was trying to-- I was thinking 19:09 I wanted to be happy but I really wanted peace and joy. 19:12 So when I walked into the church that day, it was-- 19:15 the pastor was preaching and it was a sermon 19:18 directly towards me and before I knew 19:21 the appeal was coming because I've been in church 19:23 and I saw the setup and I was like okay. 19:25 And I walked down in the middle of the isle and I think, 19:28 I gave him the clue to call for appeal 19:30 because I was waiting there. 19:31 And he called for appeal and that was in 96 19:34 and I have been in church. 19:36 It must had been a tremendous relief, you know, 19:39 once you walked in there and you made a decision 19:42 that you were going to change your life. 19:45 And, you know, especially leaving that other life behind, 19:50 you know, because in most of the cases, 19:52 when I talk to some of the clients 19:54 that come into my office and my awareness myself, 19:58 understanding that that life is like consistent. 20:01 It takes up all your time. Oh, yes. 20:04 It's almost like a job, you know. 20:06 I party six days a week. 20:08 I mean, literally and I then will go for work. 20:11 You structure your life around the events 20:14 that are gonna take place later on in evening or-- 20:19 so it was like, okay, I got out of work, 20:21 I got to bring my clothes for the club, to the job, 20:23 I have got to make sure, I'm calling everybody, 20:25 everybody know where we were gonna be at. 20:26 It was literally a job. 20:28 But the financial benefits were great but then I-- 20:31 this-- the physical. 20:33 I saw a picture of me when I was at a club. 20:35 I took well, like a bunch of female or friends whatever, 20:37 and I saw no life in my eyes. 20:40 And I'm looking like, is that me? 20:42 I didn't recognize myself. 20:44 But I saw a picture right after that 20:47 and it was total different person. 20:49 I mean, totally different. 20:50 Now a lot of people don't understand is my transition 20:53 from the street life to the church was difficult 20:57 in itself because all my friends in the street 20:59 turned their back on me and the people in the church 21:01 had not yet accepted me. 21:03 So I was in a valley. In the middle, yes. 21:05 A valley of like, lo it was just me and the Lord 21:08 and it took me a time to realize that 21:10 He had did that, so that 21:11 we can get our relationship together. 21:13 But it was a very lonely time of my life because my family, 21:17 you know, my diet had changed, my lifestyle had changed 21:20 there were you know, I had changed dramatically. 21:24 I mean, drastically and they couldn't accept. 21:26 It was like I went from street guy to preacher 21:30 in a matter of-- in a moment. 21:32 Even called turkey. Yeah. 21:33 And you are the first Adventist 21:36 in your immediate family? 21:37 Yes, I was the first. 21:39 So it was-- I put a lot of strain 21:41 on my family because, you know, chores had to be done 21:44 on Friday night, and I'm looking like, 21:47 you know, sorry mom, I can't wash the dishes. 21:50 And she was like-- at first she didn't 21:53 understand it she won't accepting of it. 21:55 And then I said I made-- drew such a hard line 21:57 on it that she-- and I'm talking to my auntie 21:59 who brought me into the church originally, you know, 22:02 she understood it so I had to do my chores before hand, 22:05 you know, and it always worked out, 22:07 you know, where they were accepting. 22:09 I remember the day that you came 22:12 to church on Sabbath Saturday. 22:16 There was a choir, in the choir loft 22:18 by the name of, God's Hands of Praise, 22:20 which I am the founder and director of 22:23 God's Hands of Praise, Gospel sign language choir, 22:26 and they're 17th year now. 22:28 And you immediately wanted to be a part of this ministry 22:34 and you did and still once a member always a member. 22:37 And even last year and then just recently, 22:40 we had celebrated our welcome home Sabbath 22:43 and you joined us with our song, even been the MC. 22:47 We need to just clarify your role 22:50 and where you are in your life right now. 22:52 You are not in a cohabitating relationship. No. 22:56 You're taking good care of your three girls. Yes. 22:58 You're hoping to earn your bachelor's degree. Yes. 23:01 Go on to earn your Master's of Divinity 23:03 to become a youth pastor for youth ministries. 23:07 Yes. Right now my role in youth ministries is simply-- 23:11 well, let me tell you some of my history. 23:13 I once held the position as vice president 23:17 of the Motor City Youth Federation, 23:19 AY leader, youth leader in my church for several years. 23:23 I work in different facets of working with young people. 23:27 Going to different churches 23:28 and speaking to young people about specific issues. 23:32 I've had a workshop-- 23:35 I've done workshops on Halloween, on relationships. 23:39 Actually helped you out with a couple of-- 23:41 Yes, as a youth congress. 23:42 Yes, in Florida and in Atlanta Georgia. 23:45 Yes, I'm trying to become a part of another 23:48 youth conference that's coming up, 23:49 doing a workshop there. 23:50 So, my role is not specific with entitle, 23:53 but God has called me into youth ministries 23:56 and I know that, you know, that is why He has me-- 24:00 has placed me specifically. 24:01 Even in my job where I work at now, 24:03 I work with incarcerate youths. Yes. 24:06 And whenever I get an opportunity or they want to 24:08 hear about God I, you know, without conflicting, you know, 24:12 I give them some words of wisdom. 24:14 Now I want to share this with you. 24:16 I heard this just yesterday. 24:19 God does not always call the equipped, 24:22 but He always equips the called. 24:26 And I believe that's what He is doing with you, Sandrew. 24:28 Absolute. You know, I think 24:30 I've to take a little credit here. 24:32 You know what I'm saying. Okay. 24:33 Basically because I recognized in Sandrew, 24:37 that he has some certain talent. 24:39 Yes, you did. You know, and I-- 24:40 Sign language. 24:42 Not only sign language, Kim, you know, I mean, 24:44 we both worked together. 24:45 Sandrew and I used to have a great time 24:47 with the sign language choir. Yes. Yes. 24:49 But working in youth ministries, 24:52 because I happened to be 24:53 the Motor City Youth Federation president, 24:55 and I forced you to get involved. 24:58 Yes. And forced will be the correct word. 25:00 Oh, yes, you know, at that time you served 11 years together. 25:04 Yes, I did. Eleven years together-- 25:06 But it was those two ministries that kept me in the church. 25:09 What do you say. 25:10 Because at the time that's when I was in my valley, 25:14 when I needed God's Hands of Praise, 25:17 when I needed to be a part of the youth federation. 25:20 Because there was not our head, 25:22 you so used to being a part of something. 25:24 And even being a leader of some things that 25:27 it was God's way of saying, you may not always be 25:29 the leader but you always have to be a part. 25:32 Be a part. So I just-- 25:34 it was like, okay, I need these things 25:35 to solidify my relationship and to keep me. 25:37 It was the-- those little things 25:39 that glued me to the church. 25:40 That is you still remember your sign language? 25:43 Yes, I do. Oh, praise the Lord. 25:47 You know, I think that is so wonderful. 25:50 I just want to just briefly mention 25:52 a little bit about your grandfather. 25:54 Yes. And what happened? 25:56 Can you just tell us a little bit about 25:57 so because we want to continue to pray for this situation. 26:01 And it kind of all ties together with the thing 26:03 that was happened to my cousin and my grandfather 26:05 because my grandfather's name was Draper, 26:08 my cousin-- my brother, 26:09 I've a brother who is younger to me, his name is Draper 26:12 and my cousin who passed name was Draper. 26:14 My grandfather left his apartment two years ago. 26:19 It'll be two years, October 28 and was never seen again. 26:24 Never seen again. 26:25 He got-- received a phone call to come to his 26:27 rental property and he went there, 26:30 the cab driver saw him walk up the stairs into the house 26:32 and we haven't seen or heard from him for two years. 26:35 That's a tragedy. Oh, my goodness. 26:38 It's just the-- that what makes 26:39 its hard is there's no closure. 26:41 And I think in everything that we do 26:44 it whether be relationship, personal relationships, 26:48 in all parts of our life, we need to have closure 26:50 in us for us to move on. 26:51 Without closure you are kind of stuck 26:54 at that point where you don't know what to do. 26:57 You know, this is, this is phenomenal. 26:59 Sandrew, you got to come back, you know. 27:01 I can't believe where did the 30 minutes go. 27:03 But listen, we're going to be right back 27:05 and we're gonna talk a little bit more with Sandrew 27:07 and talk about upcoming topics just for you. 27:21 If you've just tuned in, we are talking about 27:23 the impact of African-American males and their spirituality. 27:27 Sandrew King, we are talking about closure, 27:30 not having that closure. 27:32 Where are you now? 27:33 Where's your hope about your grandfather? 27:35 I've peace with it because two years-- you just-- 27:41 there are some things you just know. 27:44 I've my own and I don't want to 27:45 put them out there because, you know, 27:47 there're other family members that still have 27:48 their own diff-- I just know where I'm with it. 27:51 So it would just be for the closure for my family, 27:54 I've peace where, where I'm with it. 27:56 You know, sometimes when I get down about it 27:59 but I still understand that it is what it is. 28:02 It is what it is. Yes. 28:04 Well listen, we're out of time 28:05 but we want to thank you, Sandrew King-- 28:07 Thank you for having me. For being with us. 28:08 Appreciated very much. Oh, my goodness. 28:10 I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin. I'm Arthur Nowlin. 28:13 And you've been watching, "Making It Work." God bless. |
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