Participants: Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin (Host), Arthur Nowlin (Host), Brandon & Alice Dent
Series Code: MIW
Program Code: MIW000001
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00:01 Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan Nowlin.
00:03 And I'm Arthur Nowlin. 00:04 And welcome to making it work. 00:40 Our topic for today, 00:42 the dos and don'ts of a healthy relationship. 00:45 The making of a good marriage. 00:48 Arthur what are some of the- 00:50 What should I say, 00:51 the good points of making a good marriage? 00:53 Well, we have to start off with good communication. 00:56 So you got to have a good communication. 00:57 That's very essential, when we talk about good points. 01:00 All right. 01:01 Then the second thing is we're talking about finances. 01:04 Yes. 01:05 Making sure that the finances are- 01:07 we can work it out, we can work together and establish 01:10 some type of a good working relationship for finances. 01:15 Third thing, Kim, you not gonna really want to believe this. 01:18 What is it? 01:19 We're talking about responsibilities and chores. 01:21 Okay, Arthur, what's your favorite chore not to do? 01:25 Well, I don't do windows, Kim. 01:27 I know, do you know that, remember when we got married 01:29 that was in the wedding vows. 01:31 He said that in our wedding vows, 01:33 I shall not dust and do windows. 01:36 And to this day he has kept those vows, all right. 01:40 Well, listen we want to welcome our guest today 01:43 Brandon and Alice Dent. 01:44 Welcome to making it work. 01:46 How you're doing today? 01:47 We're doing great. You look great. 01:49 Thank you. 01:50 All right, our first question. 01:51 Brandon, my first question to you guys is 01:54 how did you meet? 01:56 How did we meet? Well, we met in church. 01:58 Okay. 01:59 I was sitting in the-- what they call the annex 02:02 who's not in the main sanctuary, 02:04 it's where the young kids like to hang out 02:06 because we like to talk and goof off a little bit. 02:10 And in the middle of my goofing off comes in this 02:13 really beautiful girl. 02:15 Beautiful young lady and just stunned me. 02:18 All of my goofing off came to a complete halt. 02:21 My friends thought "hey, what's wrong with this guy?" 02:23 But I had been smitten and I made it 02:26 a point to meet this young lady. 02:28 Yes. 02:29 Well, that's interesting. 02:31 Did you notice that? 02:32 Yeah, he says smitten. He was stunned. 02:33 He say stunned first part of it. 02:35 Okay. 02:36 All right, my second question to you, Brandon, 02:39 is how long have you been married? 02:40 Yes. 02:41 We've been married 26 years now. 02:43 Wow. 02:45 And it's kind of interesting. 02:47 I try not to get too excited about numbers of years 02:51 and trying to get more excited about 02:54 the quality of those years. 02:56 And when you talk about quality, 02:58 can we just talk about some of the things 02:59 that make it the quality of a relationship. 03:02 What are those, Brandon? 03:04 Mutual support. 03:05 Okay. 03:06 They say no man is an island 03:08 and I think when we're young as men. 03:11 We think we're okay as islands but later on in life, 03:15 life becomes a little more complicated and it really is 03:19 a good thing to have a partner 03:22 and I think Adam said it best. 03:24 When he said Lord I'm lonely. And he was in perfection. 03:28 And so here we are in sin, 03:30 how much more do we really need a good partner. 03:32 Oh, so that's support. 03:33 Alice, what else do you think 03:35 goes into that healthy good relationship? 03:37 'Cause, you know, first before you answer that, 03:39 I want to talk a little about your family of origin. 03:42 You share with us before 03:44 that you came from a single parent family. 03:46 Tell us about that 03:47 and then let's go back and we gonna connect that. 03:49 Okay, you're right, Kim, 03:51 I was raised by a God fearing wise mother. 03:54 But a mother that had to raise 8 children. 03:58 So as the youngest in that household, 04:00 I had a very dominate personality 04:03 and I take that dominate personality into my marriage. 04:05 All right. 04:06 And Brandon was the baby in his family 04:10 and he was extremely spoiled. 04:12 Spoiled. Admit it. 04:13 I can stand for that. 04:14 So you have a young lady with a dominate personality 04:18 and the baby in a family where you know where he's spoiled. 04:21 So we had to work through some things 04:22 to really blend our two personalities 04:25 and really make our marriage really in unison with God. 04:29 In working through those days 04:31 I know it didn't happen right away? 04:33 No, it didn't. 04:34 So we're talking about 04:35 it took some years for you to come together. 04:37 It did. It did. Okay. 04:38 Yeah, we had to work at it. 04:39 You know when you talk about that dominant personality, 04:41 you know, I'm a strong, you know, 04:43 African-American woman and I think dominance and- 04:46 That's true. 04:47 You know. It's true. 04:49 I mean, I'm giving you a compliment- 04:51 I appreciate that. 04:52 To a certain extent. 04:53 I appreciate that. 04:54 But you know I think 04:55 being dominant can also be a blessing in our relationship. 04:58 It is. It is a blessing. 05:00 But, you know, Brandon is the priest in our home 05:04 and I had to make sure that I release that right to him. 05:10 This is God given right, 05:12 that I allow him to be the priest in our home. 05:15 We can all be moving towards a direction 05:17 where we're all making all the decisions 05:18 and we make them together. 05:20 I'm not beneath Brandon, and I'm not above Brandon. 05:22 We walk together. 05:23 But I- he is the priest in our home. 05:25 And when you talk about the priest that means- 05:26 Wait a minute, Kim, wait a minute. 05:28 You want to do that. 05:29 I had to ask something because that sounded fantastic to me, 05:32 you know, that you recognize 05:34 Brandon was the priest of the home, you know. 05:36 That was a issue in our home, you know, 05:40 I still have some pain behind that, 05:42 but I'm gonna move through it. You gonna move through it. 05:44 You gonna move forward. 05:45 I'm gonna move through the pain. 05:46 You know what? To our viewers 05:49 I had a difficult time releasing- 05:54 being you know, wearing the pants 05:56 because I did wanted a friend, I wanted a husband, 05:58 I wanted a man. 05:59 But again I wanted to be in charge all the time. 06:03 I wanted to make decisions 06:04 and let Arthur say okay, that's not being supportive. 06:08 But I- in beginning 06:10 you know I think I was kind of a kind- 06:14 You were very submissive. 06:15 Yeah, well, I don't know about being submissive, 06:17 I think I was trying to make our relationship work. 06:20 But I think going back to Alice said being the priest, 06:24 I had to also step aside 06:26 and let Arthur become the priest. 06:27 And it didn't happen overnight, it took years. 06:30 And you know we have viewers 06:31 who may not know what that term means you know. 06:33 Would you like to explain what does that term mean 06:35 "the priest of your household"? 06:37 Well, maybe this will help you, Arthur. 06:40 Okay. 06:41 If you really pay attention to what Alice says, 06:43 she says she allowed me to be the priest. 06:47 That makes me feel better. 06:48 I thought you will chuckle a lot on that. 06:50 Yeah. 06:52 But what that means is we're both co-leaders of the family. 06:58 That's right. 06:59 It's very important to know that 07:00 being a priest is a contract that I have with God. 07:03 Yes, right. 07:04 That I'll be a proper spiritual example, 07:07 that I will promote the things of God study 07:12 in family worship regular morning 07:14 and evening family worship. 07:16 Those things that's the contract 07:19 that I make with God to do in the family 07:22 and to be rock solid at that whether I'm up or down. 07:26 That doesn't transcend into me 07:29 being in charge of all the family dynamics 07:33 because if I do that then I lose the synergy 07:37 that I can get by having a great partner. 07:40 Yes, and we don't want to lose that 07:41 because you know we got married to be together. 07:45 To work together. 07:46 Parenting skills, let's talk about 07:47 your parenting skills and your styles, all right? 07:51 Well, as I said I came from a dominant- 07:53 a mother where I came out of the relationship 07:55 with a dominant personality. 07:56 Yeah. 07:57 I have an old school mentality. 08:00 It's not just do what I say 08:03 however I give my kids boundaries. 08:05 That's right. 08:06 I set boundaries and at the end of the day 08:09 I'm not going to reason with the child 08:12 that I don't think know where their direction is, 08:14 Brandon has a different parental style. 08:16 And we had to- he can tell you about that. 08:19 But we had to put our two styles together- 08:21 To blend them. 08:22 And blend them so... 08:24 Yeah, well, I grew up very talkative, communicative 08:29 and while my father was less tolerant of that. 08:34 My mother was more tolerant and apparently she felt 08:36 this is a different type of child, 08:38 he kind of need a little greater freedom of expression. 08:42 And I do believe that, that work well for me. 08:45 And so because of that I'll engage the children 08:50 a little bit more in dialogue and let them, 08:53 you know, be freer with speech 08:56 and so Alice is less tolerant with that and, 09:01 when we're dealing with a particular situation, 09:04 we have to make sure that we still work together. 09:08 So that the children still get the best out of both. 09:13 So is it easy for you to try to make peace 09:17 within the household, 09:18 when there is some type of issue 09:21 that may be existing within the home? 09:25 For me, I have learned 09:28 and it wasn't this way so much early on. 09:32 I have learned that to have peace in the household, 09:38 you have to make the decisions that bring peace 09:41 and not necessarily the decisions you want to make. 09:45 And so if I see and this is just my approach, 09:49 Alice has her way of doing things, 09:50 but if I see that a way that even I may think is best 09:56 pushing for that decision is not 09:59 the most peaceful thing at the time. 10:02 It's better for me to kind of pull back. 10:05 So that peace will prevail, and then find another way, 10:08 another time to kind of work out that difference. 10:11 Now that's what you call submission. 10:13 That's submission. 10:15 But you know after 28 years of honor-- 10:17 A cooperate submission though. 10:18 I mean he's cooperating, he recognized 10:21 that the situation would be easier 10:23 if he pulls back and you know that's powerful. 10:26 And a lot of people don't know how to pull back. 10:29 In our private practice in Detroit for 28 years 10:32 we have families who come in, 10:33 to Kim Logan Communications Christian Counseling Clinic 10:36 and the one thing 10:37 they are looking for viewers is peace. 10:39 We're looking for happiness, we're looking for joy, 10:42 but what are the steps essential 10:43 and necessary to find that, 10:45 and you have to put a plan in place. 10:47 And one of the things that we use 10:49 as a behavioral therapist is a treatment plan. 10:52 And a plan can, that same plan can work within the family. 10:55 All right. 10:56 Well, I think most families have a treatment plan and-- 10:59 but what happens is we deviate. We do deviate. 11:01 Sometimes when crisis occurs within the family 11:04 it makes us look for something different. 11:07 You know, we have to take a risk to try to improve 11:09 the situation at all the times at all the times 11:11 but most importantly I think 11:13 if we continue the communication. 11:15 Right. 11:16 Then we can work together. 11:17 I think that's probably the essential point. 11:20 You guys tend to have a line of communication 11:25 where you can discuss things 11:27 and even though you may have differences, 11:30 you still are able to discuss it. 11:32 It well, it depends on the timing. 11:35 Yes. 11:36 Okay, if we were to say we're always at the place 11:42 where we can discuss things, 11:43 you know, I don't think that will really help 11:46 the viewer to be able to appreciate the fact that- 11:49 that's not as realistic. 11:51 Right. That's right. 11:52 So if I can go back to my first- 11:55 to the statement, my previous statement, 11:58 there are times where 12:00 it's not a good time to try and communicate. 12:02 It's a better time to be quite. 12:04 Got to know when to pick your bag. 12:06 Exactly. 12:07 But what you can count on especially 12:10 because the morning and evening worship is that 12:13 we don't get far in the day before we come to a point 12:17 where we got to come together in Christ. 12:19 That's right. Got to come together. 12:20 And I would feel like a hypocrite 12:22 going on to worship, 12:24 having my children looking at me, 12:25 we're not even talking. 12:27 We don't even know how to get along, that's not acceptable. 12:30 And you see this in church. 12:31 You see it with couples are not sitting together 12:34 or communicating, 12:35 but they will speak to everyone else 12:37 but not each other. 12:38 And the children are seeing this 12:40 and members are seeing this. 12:42 And it's devastating you know. 12:44 One of the things that we do 12:46 especially when we have disagreements 12:48 and we may even though it's not good for us to sleep 12:53 without making up, 12:55 we may do that anyway, we may sleep 12:58 and still have this issue, 13:00 but what happens is when the first thing 13:03 that we do is we pray together in the morning 13:07 and that is really important 13:08 because even though we may have disagreed on something 13:11 the night before, the prayer itself seems to give us 13:15 some type of motivation to find resolution. 13:18 Resolution. So let's talk about that. 13:20 How has God impacted your marriage and your family? 13:25 How has He? How has God played the role? 13:27 You want to start? 13:28 Well, I just feel I had not been for God. 13:31 Yes. 13:32 I don't think we would continue, 13:34 we wouldn't be married. 13:36 The divorce rate is high. 13:37 For various reasons. It's not an option for us. 13:40 Okay, but I don't want it to just not be an option, 13:43 I wanted to be happy. 13:44 With the person that I am with. 13:45 Brandon is like my- this is my cheerleader. 13:48 It's like my- Brandon everything I do, 13:50 Brandon is always behind it. 13:51 Yes, we see that. 13:52 So I feel the God's blessings is why we are still married 13:55 and not just married 13:56 but have some happiness in this marriage. 13:59 Make friendship. 14:00 Absolutely, I have a friend. 14:01 You know you're my friend. 14:03 I'm so happy. 14:04 You know we went walking this morning. 14:06 And we went to the grocery store this morning. 14:08 Yes. 14:09 And did something- 14:10 I did those things for you. 14:11 You mopped the kitchen floor when we got home. 14:13 I did most of those things for you. 14:16 So you know, and that's why I feel 14:18 because Arthur and I were together, 14:20 you know, with family line with Erin when we travel. 14:26 And, you know, it was something he said to me yesterday, 14:28 Brandon, was really interesting. 14:29 He want to go and watch the game 14:31 and we've been together all the church, 14:34 we went to evenings, we went to great lakes 14:38 and I said you know, honey, 14:39 you want to come in and stay with me in the family room. 14:42 He says honey, I've been with you all day, 14:44 and I said I am gonna watch the game. 14:46 And I said but, honey, the day is still not over. 14:50 I was hurt, Brandon and Alice, 14:52 he went upstairs and watched the game 14:54 and I'm sitting downstairs. 14:56 Is it something I said or did, so maybe that was me time. 14:59 So let me propose that question. 15:01 What do you do for that personal me time? 15:05 You know is that good and healthy for a relationship? 15:07 Essential. Brandon is an individual. 15:10 Yes. 15:11 And he's a husband. He's a father, he's a brother. 15:14 He has so many various roles. 15:16 He needs time to spend time with his parents, 15:18 sometimes he'll take off, 15:19 he'll go spend the day with his mother and father. 15:21 You know he has friends, he's on the basketball league, 15:24 those things are important for him. 15:26 I have my girls. I do things with them. 15:28 I like to do things alone, sometime he and Alicia have too 15:31 have their father and daughter time. 15:33 Yes. 15:34 So- you can speak on that but, 15:37 I think we have to have our balance, 15:38 there has to be a balance. 15:40 Has to be a balance. 15:41 There has to be a great balance. 15:43 You know what do we do for our me time, Arthur. 15:47 I enjoy going to the spa, enjoy going to the gym, 15:50 I enjoy all of that. 15:51 What do you do? I play golf. 15:53 You love golf? I love golf. 15:54 He enjoys golf. 15:56 You know but that's just one of the things, 15:57 I do so many things. 15:58 You do. But I want to start playing golf. 16:00 Kim, I don't think it would be good for you to play golf. 16:04 You don't think so? 16:05 No, you know as a matter of fact I'm going to strongly 16:10 encourage you to pick up another sport. 16:13 You know how about that game 16:15 you thought you used to play tennis. 16:17 Why don't you try something like that? 16:18 Alice, don't you play tennis? Yeah, I'm not good. 16:20 You know what, I play tennis, 16:21 he just doesn't see me play tennis. 16:23 Kim, last time I saw you play tennis 16:26 it was like maybe 20 years ago. 16:28 I play tennis you know, but it's still good to release 16:32 and to let things out, you know. 16:34 You get your full body exercise. 16:35 You do, you do. 16:36 So I enjoy my-- I get my me time, I do. 16:38 But I think it's important to all relationships, 16:41 even if you are a single parent you know 16:43 whereas even spirituality 16:45 may not be a force in your relationship 16:48 where you attend church on a regular basis, 16:50 but there are good things that you can do for yourself 16:53 such as enjoy your children 16:55 being able to take walks together, going to the parks- 16:58 Going to the park. 16:59 Being able to- the symphony is a wonderful way 17:01 and if you can't afford to go to a symphony 17:04 you know there's a CD 17:05 you can buy to enjoy music together in the home. 17:08 Reading is an excellent tool for the family to get together. 17:12 Have a book club within the family. 17:14 One of the things that I really enjoy doing 17:16 is like reading the Bible. 17:19 Reading the Bible. 17:20 And especially when you and I discuss the Bible together. 17:23 We may come up with a particular scripture 17:26 that we want to discuss, 17:27 I mean that's something exciting to me. 17:29 That is exciting but again I want to stress 17:32 all our viewers are not in a spiritual realm, 17:37 so I want to emphasize that's something that we do 17:40 being raised in a particular church and denomination 17:44 but I'm saying to you that- 17:45 that doesn't make you a bad person, 17:48 it does not make-- We don't want to ostracize you, 17:50 but we want to say to you that there are so many things 17:53 that you can do to enjoy your life. 17:55 Am I right? 17:56 Good reading material. 17:57 Good reading material, inspirational material. 17:59 Inspirational material. Board games. 18:02 Oh, board games, I love scrabble. 18:03 Yeah, scrabble board games. 18:05 You know we--family life, retreat, 18:07 don't you say anything. 18:08 No, no. since you brought that up, Kim. 18:10 What? 18:12 You know that scrabble and games like monopoly, 18:15 you are not honest in. 18:17 He thinks that our daughter and I we cheat. 18:21 I don't know how you could possibly cheat in monopoly. 18:23 Monopoly, they have a hotel or what-- 18:26 they have a house and one of the things 18:28 and the next thing you know they got two or three hotels- 18:30 Things like scrabble. 18:31 Scrabble have a dictionary right there. 18:32 Yeah. 18:34 Brandon, can you cheat in scrabble? 18:36 Come on help your sister out. 18:38 I'm not sure, I've always played the game by the rules. 18:42 By the rules. I do too. 18:44 I play by the rule. 18:45 We go and play the game at our family retreat. 18:47 Kim and my daughter are innovative. 18:48 They can come up with new ideas on how to cheat. 18:51 Well, board games are excellent, 18:53 I love board games. He won't participate. 18:56 Let me say this. 18:57 It's so important we have children today 18:59 that are not being cared for, not being loved, 19:05 not being treated in the way to make them 19:08 become positive and productive. 19:11 What can we say to those young people today 19:14 who may be harboring that pain? 19:16 You know, didn't have a healthy parental relationship. 19:22 Well, the first thing that comes to my mind is something 19:26 that affects us all at all ages. 19:31 When we harbor bad feelings, 19:36 they keep us from seeing the positive future 19:40 that we can have. 19:42 And they rob us of our energy 19:45 and our ability to pursue that positive future. 19:50 It's also like a cancer that eats you from the inside out. 19:53 Yeah. 19:54 And so it's just the bearer of bad feelings that suffers. 19:58 Yes. 19:59 And once you realize that, 20:01 it's lot easier to make a decision 20:04 to put it away and give yourself 20:07 the better outlook that you deserve. 20:09 Oh, definitely. Some of the things said, 20:11 you know, we talk about in counseling avoidance. 20:15 You can't avoid. 20:16 You can run but you can't hide that cliché. 20:18 You have to sooner or later 20:20 deal with the issues at hand of your pain 'cause if not 20:23 that pain will be recycled to the next generation, 20:25 to the next generation, to the next generation 20:28 and you will just begin to see it 20:29 in your children and their children. 20:31 So you have to get some help. 20:34 There are people available to help you and your family 20:36 'cause you hear this a lot. 20:38 I don't want anyone to know my business. 20:39 I don't want people to know I'm hurting, 20:41 but you don't have to do this alone. Am I right? 20:43 Oh, well, you know that's really important, 20:46 people have to understand that there is help available. 20:48 There is help. 20:49 But that old cliché is that 20:51 I don't want anyone to know my business, there's a barrier 20:55 and unfortunately it cause people to carry 20:57 the pain for years and years and years. 21:00 In many cases we have people that come to our office 21:04 that have had difficulty of forgiving 21:07 a person in their family 21:09 and they don't even remember where the argument originated. 21:13 Where did it originated? 21:14 And that's devastating you know. 21:16 So some of the things again to help you understand, 21:20 you have to be able to communicate, 21:21 you have to be able to address the issue, 21:24 don't avoid it. 21:25 Be able to do something, 21:26 now I'm confrontational as you know, 21:29 I don't run from a problem, I deal with- 21:30 I never would have thought that. 21:32 You would never thought that. 21:33 But I have to learn how to put it in balance. 21:37 Let's talk about balance. 21:38 What balances out your relationship? 21:43 Well, for me I think Alice touched on it earlier 21:47 particularly when she talked about the me time piece. 21:52 Yes. 21:54 You know, acknowledging that there are other things 21:58 and interests that I have as an individual. 22:03 And I touched on it, I think earlier 22:08 or just before her comments when I talked about 22:11 the regularity of the spiritual program. 22:15 In the family. 22:16 Now you think you gonna have all those pieces in place 22:19 and that's really what makes it work for us. 22:21 You know, but one of the things that seems to stand out 22:27 train up a child in the ways to go, 22:30 that tends to be the essence of really 22:34 how a person can mature in life 22:37 and demonstrate the type of behavior that's acceptable, 22:42 that's willing to make amends when they are wrong 22:47 and to do the things 22:49 that's necessary to improve their relationship. 22:52 You know, that background is what you were taught, 22:55 you know, and I think 22:57 at this point in our society today, 22:59 a lot of our young people are unable to have, 23:02 that type of support and guidance and mentoringship 23:05 that's required to make them a better person. 23:08 And they haven't been taught to forgive. 23:10 You know, what is forgiveness? What is it to trust? 23:13 What is it to have, you know, be loyal? 23:15 The value but it- our children today 23:18 are not being raised with the value system 23:20 and a guideline within that value system, 23:23 so I think these things are very important. 23:26 You know, Arthur, I really admire you as a father, 23:30 as a husband as I do Brandon. 23:31 When I look at different men that I surround myself with, 23:34 you know, when I see you and Brandon together 23:37 always put a smile on my face 23:39 because you're men of integrity, 23:41 you're strong men, you're family men, 23:42 you love your family, you love your wife. 23:46 Isn't that right? 23:47 I'm very fortunate. You are very fortunate. 23:49 You know 'cause love is crucial in a relationship, 23:52 you know and that gives you the forgiveness, all right. 23:57 I think it's important that couples tell each other 23:59 that they love each other everyday you know. 24:02 Okay, let me go back to what you just said 24:04 in regards to Brandon and myself. 24:06 Yes. 24:07 You know, I tend to believe that 24:10 it was something that we acquire over the years. 24:15 We both are, you know, I'm speaking for me mainly, 24:18 but I've made mistakes in my past 24:21 that I had to learn from and it was painful. 24:23 Yes. 24:24 It wasn't something that was easy. 24:26 It was a painful learning experience, 24:29 but I wanted to get better 24:31 and I think what you added, 24:32 Brandon, the spirituality was the motivation 24:35 to drive me to try to get close to what I think 24:40 a man should really be, you know. 24:42 Right. 24:43 I want to reach that point and that's continuous 24:46 and constant work and to have a mate 24:50 that can recognize that is encouraging. 24:53 Oh, definitely. 24:54 You know, and you know, I think I'm very fortunate, Kim. 24:56 And I think that's what our bond has been 24:58 over the years and, you know, 25:01 our friendship and our relationship 25:03 and it wasn't just there, 25:05 we have worked at it even though 25:06 Brandon and I have relationship as children together 25:09 and very few of our friends today are even alive today, 25:13 Brandon, you know. 25:14 You know, let me say something you Brandon and Alice 25:17 had this friendship for many, many years. 25:19 Yes. 25:20 You know where I came into the church 25:23 and because of my relationship with you, 25:26 you know I accepted them and they accepted me. 25:29 Oh, you did, you really did. 25:31 Well, in the meantime 25:33 we established among ourselves a personal relationship. 25:37 Yes, we did. 25:38 With each other. 25:39 I mean I can talk to Alice about certain things, 25:41 I can talk to Brandon about certain things 25:43 but that was because I was open 25:46 and willing you know to move forward 25:48 and to improve my lifestyle, 25:50 and to make sure that you and I had a full 25:54 and enjoyable working relationship together. 25:57 Yes, don't we have a ball at camp meeting? 25:59 Love it. Love it. 26:00 Every moment of it. 26:01 Kim, do you think that would be a kudo for me 26:06 so that when I get home 26:07 that you could cook me something special. 26:10 I don't know- I don't know 26:11 but I'm gonna try to cook dinner tonight, 26:13 I don't know, I'm never giving promises. 26:16 But the one thing I want to say about the dance was that 26:19 when I was mismanaging my funds 26:22 and even though the funds were there, 26:24 I had issue with financers 26:26 but sitting down at their workshop in their seminars 26:30 it really put a new light on me, 26:33 and we had talked to other people, 26:34 but I think because of our relationship 26:36 and my trust for Brandon and Alice 26:39 but our friendship as children that I could go to someone 26:43 who I knew wasn't a shame, this is what I need to do 26:46 and I have to say that things have turned around 360 degrees. 26:50 But it wasn't all your trust it's as my trust as well. 26:54 And I thank you definitely. 26:55 We had to work this through and that was a difficult time. 26:59 It was a very difficult time. 27:00 But the Lord brought us through and we were able to help people 27:03 and you know especially children 27:05 with Christian education. 27:07 You know, I'm just excited about this. 27:08 I'm so excited about making it work 27:11 and how to help people make it work 27:13 and as the program grows, we all grow. 27:16 Absolutely. 27:18 And that's what it's all about. 27:19 You know this has been phenomenal. 27:21 Listen, we want you to come back. 27:23 Will you come back and be with us again? 27:25 Of course. Oh, great. 27:26 But listen before we do our farewells 27:29 because it's just been so wonderful having you here. 27:32 We gonna come back with some interesting ideas 27:34 and more topics in just a few minutes. 27:47 We want to thank Brandon and Alice Dent 27:49 for being with us today on making it work. 27:51 It's been great. 27:52 May God continue to bless you, 27:53 encourage you and continue to allow you to be 27:56 the head and not the tail. 27:57 God bless you both. 27:59 We want to thank all of you for being with us today 28:02 on making it work and I'm Dr. Kim Logan Nowlin. 28:05 I'm Arthur Nowlin. 28:06 And thank you for joining us on making it work. |
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