Welcome to Marriage in God's Hands. 00:00:30.28\00:00:33.51 I'm Willie Lee, your host, and our co-host for today is Wilma. 00:00:33.54\00:00:38.79 Wilma Lee. Welcome, and today we're going to talk about 00:00:38.99\00:00:43.33 the marriage dialogue. Welcome, and we're excited 00:00:43.43\00:00:47.23 to have you with us. Of course, we're excited. 00:00:47.33\00:00:49.56 And we hope that you and your spouse are ready to join us 00:00:49.66\00:00:53.21 today. And as we begin, let's go to God in prayer 00:00:53.31\00:00:57.38 and ask Him for His help in our message for today. 00:00:57.48\00:01:03.01 Dear Lord, we are grateful to know that as our Father 00:01:03.41\00:01:07.54 you have already prepared for this day and for our benefit. 00:01:07.64\00:01:13.38 And we pray that you will enter into our dialogue 00:01:13.48\00:01:17.32 so that we'll hear the dialogue of heaven and will know 00:01:17.43\00:01:21.34 that You are with us in our growth toward being like Christ. 00:01:21.44\00:01:26.00 We are thankful that you have given us the promise of the 00:01:26.20\00:01:29.36 Holy Spirit never to leave us alone and to give us 00:01:29.46\00:01:33.03 a Comforter. We rejoice in that promise 00:01:33.13\00:01:36.27 and we thank you in the lovely name of Jesus, 00:01:36.47\00:01:39.32 Amen. Amen. 00:01:39.52\00:01:41.35 It is our custom to dialogue 00:01:42.87\00:01:46.12 because it's something that we 00:01:46.22\00:01:47.36 have been practicing and doing 00:01:47.46\00:01:49.83 for quite a while as a couple. 00:01:49.96\00:01:51.86 And today we are ready to share some things about dialogue 00:01:51.96\00:01:55.97 and what dialogue is all about and the benefit of it. 00:01:56.07\00:01:58.73 And what God has to say about our conversation 00:01:58.93\00:02:03.16 and communication with each other as a couple. 00:02:03.26\00:02:05.90 We make us think that we should 00:02:07.28\00:02:09.58 practice, and don't people just 00:02:09.68\00:02:12.25 talk to each other? Don't couples just talk to each other? 00:02:12.35\00:02:15.14 I'm sure they do, and that's probably not what we are 00:02:15.45\00:02:20.44 really talking about. We are talking about the fact 00:02:20.54\00:02:22.54 that there needs to be more intention in how we talk 00:02:22.64\00:02:25.68 to each other because things can escalate and develop 00:02:25.78\00:02:29.32 into uncomfortable and painful expressions one to another 00:02:29.42\00:02:33.80 if we get into heated arguments or anger takes over. 00:02:34.00\00:02:37.10 We need to be careful to make sure that we can hear each other 00:02:37.20\00:02:40.74 and feel what's coming from one another and be able to converse. 00:02:40.84\00:02:46.17 Because God says in Ephesians 4, and I am reading from the 00:02:46.27\00:02:49.46 New Living Translation, that we ought to be careful about 00:02:49.57\00:02:53.68 how we talk. It says: "Don't sin by letting anger gain 00:02:53.78\00:02:57.31 control over you. Don't let the sun go down while you are still 00:02:57.41\00:03:01.33 angry for anger gives a mighty foothold to the devil. " 00:03:01.43\00:03:04.96 And then it says in verse 29: 00:03:05.06\00:03:07.56 "Don't use foul or abusive language. Let everything you 00:03:07.66\00:03:12.26 say be good and helpful so that your words will be an 00:03:12.36\00:03:16.80 encouragement to those who hear them. " 00:03:16.90\00:03:20.10 A lot of times our words to each other when we are feeling very 00:03:20.31\00:03:24.69 rough or very hurtful about something that has been done 00:03:24.79\00:03:29.13 or said, sometimes our language does not always come across 00:03:29.23\00:03:33.19 in a way where it's an encouragement. 00:03:33.29\00:03:35.33 But at home you can say anything you want to the people 00:03:35.53\00:03:38.75 you live with because they understand... and so 00:03:38.85\00:03:42.38 you don't really have to be careful about your words. 00:03:42.48\00:03:44.90 Well I think we found out something different, didn't we? 00:03:45.10\00:03:47.76 We certainly did! We found out that at home 00:03:47.86\00:03:51.62 especially... We put on our best behavior a lot of times 00:03:51.72\00:03:54.24 when we are away from each other but we let down our guard 00:03:54.34\00:03:57.23 and we drop any pretense when we are at home, and we just 00:03:57.33\00:04:02.24 let it out... and we end up hurting each other. 00:04:02.34\00:04:04.82 It's not a very encouraging environment. 00:04:04.92\00:04:07.20 And I don't know if you have experienced that in your home 00:04:07.40\00:04:09.43 but in most homes that we have dealt with couples... 00:04:09.53\00:04:12.78 they are really concerned about the kind of conversation 00:04:12.89\00:04:15.80 that they have. So we want to talk about that today. 00:04:15.91\00:04:18.94 Because even in Proverbs the 15th chapter and verse 1 00:04:19.04\00:04:23.24 we are told that we ought to be careful about how 00:04:23.99\00:04:28.61 we talk because we need to make sure that we use soft answers 00:04:28.71\00:04:33.46 to turn away wrath and anger. 00:04:33.56\00:04:35.55 And we can appreciate that because we have learned 00:04:35.85\00:04:39.65 that there is a better way. Well, you know, I think 00:04:39.75\00:04:42.81 that often times in our homes it's like saving the good china 00:04:42.91\00:04:47.72 for company and the good things for company. 00:04:47.82\00:04:51.12 And we do that with the good words and the kind words. 00:04:51.32\00:04:54.39 We only bring those out for company, 00:04:54.59\00:04:56.83 and we forget that those that are near and dear to us 00:04:57.03\00:05:00.24 need to have those fine things brought out and used every day. 00:05:00.34\00:05:04.77 Even when we don't feel near and dear? 00:05:04.97\00:05:08.33 ESPECIALLY when we don't feel near and dear. Exactly! 00:05:08.53\00:05:12.25 We have to remember that God created us in His image, 00:05:12.45\00:05:15.96 so we have to restore that image in our communication as well. 00:05:16.16\00:05:21.26 And that's what we're here to talk about today. 00:05:21.46\00:05:23.99 We're going to get into some of those elements of communication, 00:05:24.09\00:05:27.54 some of those things that we ought to be more careful about 00:05:27.64\00:05:31.67 and intentional about so that our speech and our language 00:05:31.88\00:05:36.63 that we use will help to provide 00:05:36.73\00:05:41.44 an ease of conflict 00:05:41.54\00:05:44.43 and not so much pain and discomfort 00:05:44.53\00:05:48.42 when we are trying to discuss things that are hurting us. 00:05:48.52\00:05:51.04 Well, maybe we ought to begin with dialogue - 00:05:51.14\00:05:53.41 all right, let's do that - 00:05:53.53\00:05:54.53 Because dialogue implies that there are two people involved. 00:05:54.63\00:05:58.42 Ahhh, yes. 00:05:58.62\00:06:01.19 Sometimes we don't talk like the other person has anything 00:06:01.39\00:06:04.97 to say or anything to share. But, yes, dialogue does mean 00:06:05.07\00:06:08.40 that it has to be two people in conversation with each other. 00:06:08.50\00:06:12.26 So that means one person can't go on... and on... 00:06:12.46\00:06:16.77 and on... and on... because you know what happens? 00:06:16.87\00:06:20.49 The other person just kind of clicks off and goes to all the 00:06:20.59\00:06:23.47 pretty places in their head. 00:06:23.57\00:06:25.40 Well, that might be in some temperaments. Of course, 00:06:25.60\00:06:29.06 they may not go to pretty... they may interrupt. 00:06:29.16\00:06:31.36 They may immediately respond in a way that says 00:06:31.56\00:06:36.04 I'm not hearing that. I don't care what you're going to say 00:06:36.14\00:06:39.30 from now on because what you just said was more important 00:06:39.40\00:06:43.58 to me than anything you can say afterwards, 00:06:43.68\00:06:45.36 and I don't like what you say. 00:06:45.46\00:06:47.21 So... But there's a way to control that flow. 00:06:47.41\00:06:50.23 There's a way to bring a measure where there is some equality 00:06:50.44\00:06:55.58 and equity involved in our conversation in that we each 00:06:55.68\00:07:00.19 have a turn, we each have an opportunity to express, 00:07:00.29\00:07:02.75 we each have an opportunity to hear and to be heard. 00:07:02.85\00:07:06.49 So those are very important things, and we want you to 00:07:06.69\00:07:09.93 understand some of them. 00:07:10.03\00:07:11.08 So maybe we need to talk about what happens when you 00:07:11.18\00:07:14.60 communicate effectively. Ah, so effective communication 00:07:14.70\00:07:19.70 is what we're talking about today. 00:07:19.80\00:07:21.27 And I think that's important because that's what God is 00:07:21.47\00:07:23.89 saying. He wants the effect to be that we leave our 00:07:23.99\00:07:27.88 conversations encouraged. That we are not angry so that 00:07:27.98\00:07:32.35 we are allowing the devil to come in and to work our 00:07:32.45\00:07:36.13 temperaments in such a way that we lose control 00:07:36.23\00:07:39.23 and allow sin to take place. Anger is an emotion 00:07:39.33\00:07:42.61 that can be expressed, but it needs to be expressed in a way 00:07:42.71\00:07:46.20 that reflects the image of God. 00:07:46.30\00:07:47.98 Well, let's just talk about the things that happen - right - 00:07:48.18\00:07:52.04 when we communicate. Let's do that. 00:07:52.14\00:07:54.21 People think that being a great 00:07:54.31\00:07:56.20 communicator means that you are able to use words. 00:07:56.25\00:08:00.20 All right. But what I have learned is that words are only 00:08:00.41\00:08:04.70 7% of communication. 00:08:04.80\00:08:07.64 Ah, that's not a whole lot, is it? 00:08:07.84\00:08:09.74 No. If I were having a piece of pie and you offered me 00:08:09.94\00:08:13.51 pie and I only got 7%, I don't think I'd be real pleased. 00:08:13.61\00:08:18.57 So out of 100% of being effective at communicating, 00:08:18.77\00:08:22.14 and to only use words and not realize that there are 00:08:22.24\00:08:25.84 other components, means that we are falling way short 00:08:25.94\00:08:30.07 of being an effective communicator in our 00:08:30.17\00:08:33.05 relationship. And that's what we want to work on. Right. 00:08:33.16\00:08:35.56 And then if you add tone of voice to words, OK, 00:08:35.76\00:08:39.29 you only get... How much do you think? 00:08:39.39\00:08:44.93 Well, I would guess that tone of voice would mean a whole lot 00:08:45.03\00:08:48.53 because sometimes tone does determine whether or not 00:08:48.63\00:08:52.95 I'm on alert or whether I'm lulled to sleep. 00:08:53.05\00:08:56.19 Well, what do you think the percentage would be? 00:08:56.39\00:08:58.67 Well, since I know the percentage, I'm going to 00:08:58.77\00:09:01.81 go ahead and share it. OK! It's going to be something like 00:09:01.91\00:09:04.52 about maybe 36%, somewhere around that. All right. 00:09:04.62\00:09:09.51 36% effectiveness if you use good tone intonation. 00:09:09.61\00:09:15.02 So that when you are angry you hit an angry tone. 00:09:15.05\00:09:17.61 When you're sad, there's a sad tone. 00:09:17.71\00:09:19.30 When you are trying to say something important, 00:09:19.40\00:09:22.16 you elevate the tone. 00:09:22.26\00:09:23.57 And that puts some meaning 00:09:23.77\00:09:25.76 to the words. All right. 00:09:25.86\00:09:27.64 Because tone does... so... 00:09:27.74\00:09:28.81 when you add that up, it only 00:09:28.91\00:09:30.26 comes to what? Less than half! 00:09:30.36\00:09:32.76 Less than half: 45%. 00:09:32.86\00:09:34.03 45% when you are using words and intonation. 00:09:34.14\00:09:38.20 That means there is still something missing from having 00:09:38.30\00:09:42.00 effective communication. So, when you have less than 00:09:42.10\00:09:46.17 half and you want to be 00:09:46.27\00:09:48.56 an effective communicator, 00:09:48.66\00:09:50.38 what do you need? 00:09:50.48\00:09:52.12 Well, let's talk about some of those things. 00:09:52.32\00:09:54.58 I think we are talking about the area of non-verbals: 00:09:54.78\00:09:58.61 those things that take place when you are talking. 00:09:58.71\00:10:01.89 Because some of you are listening to our tone of voice 00:10:01.99\00:10:05.26 right now. You are hearing our words, 00:10:05.36\00:10:08.49 but there is another element. 00:10:08.59\00:10:10.04 You are looking at our expressions. 00:10:10.14\00:10:12.26 You see expressions on our faces. You see body language. 00:10:12.29\00:10:16.23 We are turned toward each other. You see gestures: the use of 00:10:16.33\00:10:21.29 the hands. You see eye contact. Umm hmm. 00:10:21.39\00:10:24.87 Those are things that you don't have to say a word 00:10:25.07\00:10:27.57 but can communicate using those. 00:10:27.67\00:10:30.58 I guess, body position. True. 00:10:30.68\00:10:33.49 I can't turn my back on you right now... 00:10:33.60\00:10:35.85 but I could do this... Oh, my! 00:10:35.95\00:10:38.83 That means that you are closed. 00:10:38.93\00:10:41.39 That means that you are not very happy with what you are hearing. 00:10:41.49\00:10:45.32 True. Is that true? No, of course not. 00:10:45.42\00:10:49.82 So, but it does express that. 00:10:50.02\00:10:52.72 If you don't mean it, then don't do it, right? 00:10:52.82\00:10:55.07 Please. So those are some of the things, 00:10:55.27\00:10:58.52 and we are not going to go through all of them today. 00:10:58.62\00:11:00.12 But we have to learn that these parts of, 00:11:00.22\00:11:04.67 of I guess, effective communication 00:11:04.77\00:11:07.45 - umm hmm - all add up to 55%. 00:11:07.55\00:11:11.34 So a person can actually watch your non-verbals 00:11:11.54\00:11:16.55 and determine far more than listening to your words 00:11:16.65\00:11:20.52 or your intonation of voice. 00:11:20.62\00:11:22.75 And the interesting thing about non-verbals is that 00:11:22.85\00:11:26.43 if they contradict what you are saying, 00:11:26.54\00:11:28.93 people believe the non-verbals. 00:11:29.03\00:11:31.31 Ahhh. And you know why that is? 00:11:31.51\00:11:33.67 Because you can't control your non-verbals. 00:11:33.88\00:11:36.60 That's right. Non-verbals come out of who you are 00:11:36.63\00:11:40.58 deep inside. They're actually an autonomic 00:11:40.68\00:11:45.22 response of our system. And our brain makes our body 00:11:45.49\00:11:51.33 do certain things that we don't even think about. 00:11:51.43\00:11:55.30 We don't even plan it... but they happen. 00:11:55.40\00:11:57.74 I remember one time my wife told me that I was sighing 00:11:57.94\00:12:03.80 every time certain people were talking. 00:12:03.90\00:12:06.83 Whenever that person talked that I would sigh deeply. 00:12:06.93\00:12:10.09 Loudly, loudly... and loudly. 00:12:10.29\00:12:12.28 I didn't even realize I was doing it! 00:12:12.58\00:12:14.47 But that was my response - yes - to that person 00:12:14.68\00:12:18.28 and the way that they were communicating. Yes. 00:12:18.38\00:12:21.16 And I didn't want to give myself away but I was 00:12:21.36\00:12:25.83 giving myself away because I wasn't stopping to think. 00:12:25.97\00:12:29.48 Fortunately, that person didn't read non-verbals. 00:12:29.58\00:12:32.71 Well, I had to think about what I was feeling about that person 00:12:33.87\00:12:37.63 as well because it was coming through in a non-verbal way. 00:12:37.73\00:12:40.57 And it happens with us. So these are some of the things 00:12:40.67\00:12:43.71 we are going to talk about, and we want you to realize 00:12:43.81\00:12:46.13 that as we talk about these things that we are going to 00:12:46.23\00:12:48.87 apply them to communication between husbands and wives. 00:12:48.97\00:12:54.52 Spousal conversations sometimes have all these elements in them, 00:12:54.72\00:12:59.62 and they take on a greater meaning than we think. 00:12:59.72\00:13:02.87 So, we want you to be prepared. So if that other person 00:13:03.07\00:13:08.58 in your spousal relationship is not there, 00:13:08.68\00:13:11.34 tell them to come to watch and to hear and to understand 00:13:11.44\00:13:17.12 what we are sharing. Because it takes two people 00:13:17.22\00:13:19.61 to have couple dialogue. And after you are sitting down 00:13:19.71\00:13:24.17 comfortably, we'll be right back and, with Wilma, we'll continue 00:13:24.27\00:13:27.94 to talk about effective communication. 00:13:28.04\00:13:31.06 There are many how-to books available, but there's one 00:13:39.59\00:13:42.50 that's free and perfect for every couple: 00:13:42.61\00:13:44.92 How You Can Build A Better Marriage. 00:13:44.95\00:13:47.17 Bible-based matrimonial advice is given in a light-hearted, 00:13:47.47\00:13:51.20 easy-to-read manner for those contemplating marriage, 00:13:51.30\00:13:53.96 newlyweds, couples in their golden years, 00:13:54.06\00:13:57.06 and everyone in between. Simply call or write for your 00:13:57.16\00:14:00.49 free copy of this amazing little 00:14:00.59\00:14:01.96 booklet - a handy little tool 00:14:02.06\00:14:03.70 to help build a better marriage. 00:14:03.80\00:14:05.75 Welcome back to Marriage in God's Hands. 00:14:16.75\00:14:19.68 We've been talking about 00:14:19.88\00:14:21.40 the marriage dialogue 00:14:21.50\00:14:23.80 and, as we have been talking about effective communication, 00:14:23.90\00:14:27.99 we have talked about what the Bible has to say about that. 00:14:28.09\00:14:31.27 But we are also talking about the elements or the components 00:14:31.37\00:14:34.63 of effective communication. And just to review briefly, 00:14:34.73\00:14:37.88 we have been labeling some of those as verbal, 00:14:37.99\00:14:42.70 non-verbal - um hmm. Verbal includes tone of voice 00:14:42.91\00:14:47.60 as well as words. Um-hmm. And they all go to make up 00:14:47.70\00:14:51.36 when you put it together with non-verbal, what we call 00:14:51.46\00:14:55.03 effective communication... being 100% effective 00:14:55.14\00:14:57.78 in your communication. But the one thing we haven't said 00:14:57.88\00:15:01.25 is how we can communicate effectively, sometimes more 00:15:01.35\00:15:07.27 effectively, by just using non-verbals and what it... 00:15:07.37\00:15:10.01 what it really says about us when we are being effective 00:15:10.11\00:15:14.20 with non-verbals. Let's talk about that for just a moment 00:15:14.30\00:15:18.72 before we go on. Because it is possible 00:15:18.82\00:15:22.17 as a person in the couple dialogue, 00:15:22.27\00:15:27.95 that the person who is not talking can be a very effective 00:15:28.58\00:15:32.15 communicator with non-verbals. 00:15:32.25\00:15:35.63 That's true. And that means that 00:15:35.73\00:15:37.29 you are listening attentively 00:15:37.39\00:15:40.56 without adding anything to the conversation. 00:15:40.66\00:15:44.74 That's right. And sometimes, especially in the couple 00:15:44.91\00:15:47.60 dialogue, one thing that we hadn't mentioned, 00:15:47.70\00:15:50.78 even though we talked about the eye contact and the 00:15:50.88\00:15:53.05 body position. We talked about gestures, facial expressions, 00:15:53.15\00:15:57.77 and so on. But one thing we didn't talk about was touch. 00:15:57.87\00:16:01.36 And sometimes touch says a lot too that's non-verbal 00:16:01.56\00:16:05.33 when you're a couple and talking. And the person who's 00:16:05.43\00:16:09.46 listening and touching, with good eye contact, 00:16:09.56\00:16:13.84 and with all of the correct body positioning, expresses 00:16:13.94\00:16:18.40 something. What is that that you express to me when you are 00:16:18.58\00:16:21.99 listening to me right now with all of those non-verbals? 00:16:22.22\00:16:24.87 That you are important to me. That I care about you. 00:16:25.14\00:16:28.67 And that I want to know what you're feeling. 00:16:28.77\00:16:31.11 All right. And that makes it very effective and 00:16:31.31\00:16:34.05 you might want to do that and look at that in your own 00:16:34.16\00:16:37.94 relationship when you are in conversation and talking about 00:16:38.04\00:16:42.69 something that is meaningful. We're not talking about 00:16:42.79\00:16:45.54 communication on a level that is a little bit more trite... 00:16:45.64\00:16:49.81 not as deeply involved with one another. 00:16:49.91\00:16:53.10 But we're talking about expressing feelings... 00:16:53.30\00:16:57.35 not opinions about the world. 00:16:57.55\00:17:00.98 Not an idea of just talking to pass the time away 00:17:01.29\00:17:07.19 but communicating about what's going on inside of me 00:17:07.39\00:17:11.27 that I need to share with you so that you will know who I am 00:17:11.37\00:17:14.84 and what I'm feeling. So, what's the difference between sharing 00:17:14.94\00:17:19.47 opinions and feelings? Well, I think sharing opinions 00:17:19.57\00:17:23.41 and feelings... opinions are important because 00:17:23.51\00:17:25.76 they tell what we feel about the world. 00:17:25.86\00:17:29.00 But when I share my feelings, it shares who I really am 00:17:29.20\00:17:33.51 and what is going on inside of me - 00:17:33.71\00:17:37.63 not my expression about what's going on somewhere else. 00:17:37.73\00:17:41.32 And it's important in communicating to one another 00:17:41.42\00:17:44.49 that we as a couple, as a married couple, 00:17:44.59\00:17:48.04 that we actually are putting our fingers on how we're feeling 00:17:48.14\00:17:53.28 about each other and about the relationship that we have. 00:17:53.38\00:17:56.57 Well, when things are happening how do I know when I'm sharing 00:17:56.77\00:18:02.06 a feeling and not an opinion? 00:18:02.16\00:18:04.00 Well, you are going to have to tell me that because you must 00:18:04.20\00:18:07.46 express what's going on in you. 00:18:07.56\00:18:10.07 Well, if I say "I think, " um-hmm, 00:18:10.27\00:18:13.16 something's happening, is that an opinion or is that a feeling? 00:18:13.47\00:18:17.96 It sounds like an opinion to me. 00:18:18.16\00:18:19.42 If you are thinking about something, then that's just 00:18:19.62\00:18:22.95 something intellectual. Hmmm. But when you say "I feel... " 00:18:23.05\00:18:27.52 or "I am, " then you are telling me about something that you are. 00:18:27.62\00:18:33.16 Oh, so there is a difference even in the words that are used 00:18:33.36\00:18:37.46 - yes - when you express feelings and opinions. 00:18:37.66\00:18:42.03 That's right. But there's another set of words, too, 00:18:42.13\00:18:45.80 that are often used by couples 00:18:45.90\00:18:49.69 that create an ineffective environment for good 00:18:49.79\00:18:54.00 communication, and that's when I tell you what you ought to be 00:18:54.10\00:18:59.90 feeling and what you ought to be doing. 00:19:00.00\00:19:02.25 And... Oh, you mean you can't preach to me? 00:19:02.36\00:19:05.68 Oh, well why yes, we even do that. We even read the Bible 00:19:05.88\00:19:09.13 and say: "This is what God tells you to do. " 00:19:09.23\00:19:11.16 But once again, I think the words - the word differences - 00:19:11.56\00:19:15.64 that when I am expressing I need to use "I " phrases: 00:19:15.74\00:19:19.52 Oh... "I feel, " "I am. " 00:19:19.62\00:19:21.65 instead of words that connote or that express "YOU. " 00:19:21.75\00:19:26.36 "YOU " is sort of kind of an accusatory. 00:19:26.47\00:19:28.87 It's like putting the finger in the face and 00:19:28.97\00:19:31.41 telling you what you ought to be doing 00:19:31.54\00:19:33.15 and what you're doing wrong. Hmmm, I don't like that. 00:19:33.25\00:19:37.09 It's not a very good thing, is it? No! 00:19:37.19\00:19:39.06 So we need to stay away when we are expressing feelings 00:19:39.16\00:19:43.94 from telling the person what they ought to be doing 00:19:44.04\00:19:48.34 but rather expressing what I'm feeling as a result of what's 00:19:48.45\00:19:52.22 happening or what's being said. I guess this goes back to where 00:19:52.32\00:19:55.88 we talk about practice, because I remember when we were first 00:19:55.98\00:19:59.97 introduced to dialogue, and I did practice. 00:20:00.07\00:20:04.58 Here we go with temperaments again. 00:20:04.68\00:20:06.87 And I remember practicing what I was going to say to you 00:20:06.97\00:20:11.40 and how you were going to respond, I hoped. 00:20:11.50\00:20:16.11 And what I was going to say in response so that when 00:20:16.21\00:20:19.85 we were together I'd know how to do this dialogue thing. 00:20:19.96\00:20:24.66 And, of course, you know you are very, usually predictable. 00:20:25.06\00:20:31.00 Thank you, I guess. So your part was pretty good, 00:20:31.10\00:20:36.65 but then I didn't always get my part real well. 00:20:36.75\00:20:40.06 And I remember you saying to me one time: 00:20:40.16\00:20:42.59 "But this is not dialogue. " 00:20:42.70\00:20:44.75 And I remember saying: "I don't want to dialogue. 00:20:44.95\00:20:47.11 I just want to tell you what I feel. " 00:20:47.22\00:20:49.71 But eventually I learned that being able to share what I felt 00:20:51.00\00:20:56.82 in a very calm way and talking about what I really felt 00:20:56.92\00:21:01.44 and not expressing opinions was very effective. 00:21:01.54\00:21:05.24 And that you didn't do this when I began to talk about 00:21:05.34\00:21:10.29 my feelings. Because I realized when I learned to read 00:21:10.39\00:21:14.84 non-verbals that sometimes I was making you do this 00:21:14.94\00:21:18.82 rather than do this. And that does make a difference, 00:21:18.92\00:21:23.27 doesn't it? Yes, it does! 00:21:23.37\00:21:24.65 A lot of times you might find out in your relationships 00:21:24.76\00:21:28.06 and in your communication, if you are watching 00:21:28.16\00:21:31.48 and listening to your partner, your spouse, 00:21:31.58\00:21:36.62 if the reaction is not a good reaction, 00:21:36.72\00:21:39.67 you might discuss well what's happening, what's going on 00:21:39.77\00:21:41.99 that you feel. What are you feeling right now? 00:21:42.10\00:21:44.52 The use of feeling words is better to use than, as it says 00:21:44.72\00:21:49.40 in the 29th verse of Ephesians 5, 00:21:49.50\00:21:52.34 using abusive language. A lot of times we fall into the habit 00:21:52.44\00:21:56.49 of using abusive language. God says that's not good. 00:21:56.60\00:22:00.28 And the language of the Bible expresses that as brought out 00:22:00.38\00:22:03.18 so well in the New Living Translation 00:22:03.28\00:22:05.25 that we can be abusive to our spouses if we are using 00:22:05.45\00:22:10.30 language that is abusive or attitudes or emotions that 00:22:10.43\00:22:14.52 are abusive or treating the other person unkindly 00:22:14.62\00:22:18.54 and less than encouraging. So we need to be careful about that. 00:22:18.64\00:22:21.35 Well, I don't know if it's always abusive or less than 00:22:21.55\00:22:27.31 encouraging. I think that because our society is of such, 00:22:27.41\00:22:31.69 sometimes it's frightening 00:22:31.83\00:22:34.74 because, you know, I'm planted 00:22:34.84\00:22:37.30 pretty close to the water and so tears run pretty freely. 00:22:37.40\00:22:41.48 And I think that maybe you were a bit frightened by the tears? 00:22:41.68\00:22:46.50 Well, that's another part of feeling. 00:22:46.70\00:22:50.09 Tears do express feeling. 00:22:51.32\00:22:53.22 Yes. And sometimes it is 00:22:53.42\00:22:55.03 threatening more than abusive 00:22:55.13\00:22:57.72 um-hmm - to the other person 00:22:58.02\00:22:59.17 because they want to own the tears, and sometimes 00:22:59.27\00:23:02.18 the ownership of the tears truly are the person who is 00:23:02.28\00:23:06.73 crying. And not necessarily caused by another individual 00:23:06.83\00:23:11.45 who is talking to them. So, those are the things that need 00:23:11.55\00:23:14.71 to be discussed. A couple of other elements 00:23:14.81\00:23:17.35 that I think are important because time is involved 00:23:17.45\00:23:20.14 in this. Setting aside the right amount of time 00:23:20.24\00:23:22.80 with not having interference or interruption. 00:23:22.90\00:23:26.69 That's back to your intimate relationship. That's right. 00:23:26.79\00:23:29.86 We're going back to creating an intimate environment. 00:23:29.96\00:23:32.92 Also, not cutting the person off before they are finishing 00:23:33.12\00:23:37.40 what they are saying. Not trying to finish their thoughts 00:23:37.50\00:23:41.77 or trying to think of what you're going to say 00:23:41.97\00:23:45.14 rather than listening to what's being said. 00:23:45.24\00:23:47.86 These are things we have learned - yes - 00:23:48.16\00:23:50.70 that have helped us to be more effective - yes - in listening 00:23:50.90\00:23:54.54 as well as in sharing. And, of course, that sharing 00:23:54.64\00:23:57.89 is not talking so long that the other person never has a chance 00:23:57.99\00:24:02.81 to reflect what they just heard - true - so that you can know 00:24:02.92\00:24:06.84 that you are being heard. And I think that when we go back 00:24:06.94\00:24:10.49 to looking at the equation of the sacred circle 00:24:10.59\00:24:14.10 and the relationship that one has with God, 00:24:14.21\00:24:17.38 God says: "Be still and know that I am God. " 00:24:17.49\00:24:21.73 Because you need to listen to Him first. 00:24:21.93\00:24:24.81 That's how you learn how to listen. 00:24:25.01\00:24:27.05 And so you learn that skill by listening to what God has to say 00:24:27.25\00:24:31.17 to you. So then you can bring that to learning how to listen 00:24:31.27\00:24:34.76 to your spouse. 00:24:34.86\00:24:36.39 You've just shared something that's very important. 00:24:36.59\00:24:38.55 And I don't know if you intentionally did that, 00:24:38.75\00:24:42.53 but I need to share that with others. 00:24:42.63\00:24:45.03 And that is: communicating is a skill that can be learned. 00:24:45.23\00:24:49.81 It is not automatic. 00:24:50.01\00:24:52.05 It is not because you go to church and you love God that you 00:24:52.25\00:24:55.81 will have it. You need to be intentional about learning 00:24:55.91\00:24:59.53 good communication skills because a lot of things we learn 00:24:59.63\00:25:04.71 in the families of origin. Um-hmm. Sometimes we learn 00:25:05.54\00:25:09.66 the wrong way of communication or ineffective communication. 00:25:09.76\00:25:14.19 And we just think that however it was done in my family, 00:25:14.30\00:25:17.94 or the way I'm used to doing it, is going to be OK. 00:25:18.04\00:25:21.20 But then you bring two people together from two different 00:25:21.30\00:25:24.16 families, two different sets of expectations, 00:25:24.27\00:25:26.73 BAM! Then we've got explosions and we've got difficulty. 00:25:26.83\00:25:31.19 And it's a block and a barrier to creating the kind of 00:25:31.29\00:25:34.71 environment that is a loving, encouraging environment - yes - 00:25:34.82\00:25:38.34 in marriage. Yes! And that's what we want to achieve. 00:25:38.44\00:25:41.52 And really, that's one of the other advantages of 00:25:41.66\00:25:45.08 pre-marriage education because this is the place to learn 00:25:45.18\00:25:48.53 effective communication skills for couples. 00:25:48.63\00:25:51.53 And it's also a good precursor to understanding 00:25:51.73\00:25:56.26 that when we are on an understanding level 00:25:56.36\00:25:58.67 or if we are having difficulty there's always one conversation 00:25:58.77\00:26:02.44 that will help in all of our communication, 00:26:02.54\00:26:05.61 and that is talking to God. 00:26:05.71\00:26:07.58 Why don't we do that right now? Why don't we? 00:26:07.68\00:26:09.73 Thank you, Lord, for hearing us and knowing us 00:26:09.93\00:26:13.44 as your children who are trying to live a life of marriage 00:26:13.54\00:26:17.44 according to Your will. 00:26:17.54\00:26:18.78 Help us to be more responsive to each other 00:26:18.88\00:26:21.82 as marriage partners in our communication. 00:26:21.93\00:26:25.58 And may we develop those skills according to Your Holy Spirit's 00:26:25.69\00:26:29.54 power. And thank you, Lord, for not only hearing 00:26:29.64\00:26:33.32 but thank you, Lord, for speaking to us. 00:26:33.42\00:26:36.59 And thank you for sharing Your love with us. 00:26:36.69\00:26:39.26 We pray in the lovely name of Jesus, Amen and Amen. 00:26:39.36\00:26:43.65 There are some things that we have discussed that perhaps 00:26:45.08\00:26:48.82 need to be discussed in your home... in your marriage. 00:26:48.92\00:26:52.80 And remember the sacred circle. 00:26:52.90\00:26:54.63 These are things that ought to be taken into the 00:26:54.74\00:26:58.52 private setting of your private place as husband and wife. 00:26:58.62\00:27:02.94 Discussions of this type should not be in front of the children. 00:27:03.04\00:27:08.70 They should not be out in front of public or those who are 00:27:08.80\00:27:11.90 outside of that sacred circle. 00:27:12.00\00:27:13.31 You and the Lord must work on these things. 00:27:13.41\00:27:16.31 We have found that effective. Yes, because often times 00:27:16.41\00:27:20.19 when you work on things together with the Lord 00:27:20.29\00:27:23.86 He speaks to you in ways you can't even begin to imagine. 00:27:23.96\00:27:27.92 That's right. And if you're listening, you'll be able to 00:27:28.02\00:27:31.62 hear and to pass along what you've learned to your spouse. 00:27:31.72\00:27:35.27 We thank you so much for being with us. 00:27:35.57\00:27:38.10 We hope we've been helpful, and we know that your 00:27:38.20\00:27:41.84 communication will be more effective. God bless you. 00:27:41.94\00:27:44.66