A promise 00:00:01.98\00:00:03.50 to love 00:00:03.53\00:00:05.84 in good times 00:00:06.69\00:00:08.14 and bad 00:00:08.17\00:00:09.83 for richer 00:00:11.72\00:00:14.19 or poorer 00:00:14.22\00:00:16.66 forsaking all others 00:00:17.47\00:00:19.45 as long as 00:00:19.48\00:00:21.15 you both shall live 00:00:21.19\00:00:23.30 MARRIAGE In God's Hands 00:00:25.49\00:00:28.30 Marriage Heart to Heart with Tom & Alane Waters 00:00:28.87\00:00:30.91 Welcome to Marriage Heart to Heart 00:00:33.66\00:00:35.87 We are Tom & Alane Waters with Restoration International 00:00:36.31\00:00:39.76 We hope you have your pencils and paper ready because today 00:00:40.49\00:00:43.46 we're gonna be talking about Establishing our Roles 00:00:43.49\00:00:46.41 in the Marriage! 00:00:46.44\00:00:47.71 You know, this is something that I guess we would call it 00:00:49.09\00:00:52.33 a "hot topic" because there's been 00:00:52.36\00:00:56.28 a real misunderstanding in erosion a way of the roles 00:00:56.32\00:01:00.39 not just women's roles today, but 00:01:00.42\00:01:03.46 the real place that God designed for man to take. 00:01:03.91\00:01:07.32 So, we want to begin right back at the beginning 00:01:07.72\00:01:11.37 with what God has showed us 00:01:11.40\00:01:14.27 the best way for man and wife. So if you have your Bibles, 00:01:14.31\00:01:18.95 turns with us today to Genesis. We're gonna be looking at 00:01:19.46\00:01:21.90 Genesis the second chapter in the 18 verse: 00:01:21.93\00:01:25.60 "And the LORD God said, It is not good that man should 00:01:27.11\00:01:30.99 be alone; I will make him an help meet. " 00:01:31.02\00:01:34.96 A qualified, suitable helper. I put that in parenthesis. 00:01:37.22\00:01:41.70 That's what a help meet is. 00:01:42.19\00:01:43.61 So, when God created man and women, He created them equal. 00:01:45.43\00:01:49.51 Because women was taken from man's side. 00:01:49.54\00:01:52.74 That meant: she was not to rule over him, to be above him 00:01:53.29\00:01:56.57 or not to be below him, to be stepped on or walked on. 00:01:56.60\00:01:59.85 That's what God designed in the original Plan of Creation 00:02:00.36\00:02:03.25 for husband and wife. 00:02:03.28\00:02:04.79 So, what happened? 00:02:05.35\00:02:06.32 Well, Eve decided she was going to try something 00:02:07.74\00:02:11.14 a little different. 00:02:11.17\00:02:12.59 And she chose to leave her husband's side. 00:02:13.30\00:02:16.55 And in her wanderings she fell into temptation. 00:02:17.58\00:02:21.04 And after that happened we see a difference in the role 00:02:22.09\00:02:26.25 of men and women as God placed there early in Genesis. 00:02:26.29\00:02:30.42 So, then am I to understand that the problem is that you 00:02:30.92\00:02:35.44 can never physically leave my side!? 00:02:35.47\00:02:38.89 No! Not at all! 00:02:38.92\00:02:40.56 But it means that women need to be content with the role 00:02:40.77\00:02:43.54 God has given them, in the home and not to become disillusioned 00:02:43.58\00:02:46.90 or dissatisfied looking for something else. 00:02:46.93\00:02:50.29 Ok. So there's a restlessness that Eve experienced 00:02:50.33\00:02:54.33 an in her restlessness she tried to take herself into a position 00:02:54.37\00:02:58.75 and do some things that God never designed for her. 00:02:58.78\00:03:01.95 And as some of you may or may not know in the Biblical account 00:03:02.34\00:03:06.85 there Eve was standing at that tree that she wasn't supposed to 00:03:06.88\00:03:11.36 be partaking of and the Devil insinuated himself there 00:03:11.39\00:03:16.00 as a serpent, 00:03:16.03\00:03:17.18 and gave her the illusion that if she would just eat this fruit 00:03:17.67\00:03:21.54 she would be, well the snake was talking supposedly, 00:03:21.57\00:03:24.90 and that she would be like the Gods and that in reality God 00:03:25.49\00:03:29.06 was withholding something that was really good for her. 00:03:29.09\00:03:32.63 And if she could experience this she would have a 00:03:32.66\00:03:35.52 higher understanding. 00:03:35.55\00:03:36.99 Well, as we know, she did experience this and it didn't 00:03:37.55\00:03:41.72 give her that. All she got out of that experience was 00:03:41.75\00:03:45.89 she found out what sin and transgression was like and 00:03:46.50\00:03:48.72 the pain begin there. 00:03:48.75\00:03:50.26 And it immediately affected their home. 00:03:50.30\00:03:53.08 Up until that point there was no contention, no problem, 00:03:53.63\00:03:57.32 no strife in the marriage. But when that happened 00:03:57.35\00:04:00.92 and The Lord came back to Adam and Eve and wanted 00:04:00.95\00:04:03.94 to make them accountable immediately blame began. 00:04:03.98\00:04:06.96 Eve blamed, Adam blamed and then we had the whole problem that 00:04:07.40\00:04:11.09 we still can see in marriages: blaming each other. 00:04:11.12\00:04:14.12 That's right! 00:04:14.15\00:04:15.12 And so, in Genesis 3:16 in the second half of the verse there 00:04:15.62\00:04:20.86 this is where we see that Eve lost her perfect equality. 00:04:21.39\00:04:25.65 She chose to step away from the role that God gave her 00:04:26.04\00:04:29.17 and she lost her perfect equality there. 00:04:29.20\00:04:31.36 And part of Eve's consequences there in Genesis 3:16 00:04:31.90\00:04:37.33 we're told: "thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he 00:04:38.05\00:04:42.46 shall rule over thee. " 00:04:42.49\00:04:44.95 wooow! 00:04:46.26\00:04:47.35 Rule over! I don't know of any woman who likes that term: 00:04:47.85\00:04:52.25 to be ruled over! 00:04:52.28\00:04:53.65 It was a hard one for me because I interpreted that to mean 00:04:54.21\00:04:57.79 that I have no more choice, no more say! 00:04:57.82\00:05:01.73 That I was to be controlled by somebody else. 00:05:02.19\00:05:05.25 That's not what it says! 00:05:05.83\00:05:07.32 That's right! 00:05:07.64\00:05:08.61 So, don't click off the program thinking: "oh boy! Here we go!" 00:05:09.19\00:05:13.39 "Now we're gonna talk about putting women in their place 00:05:14.01\00:05:16.40 today. " That's not what we're talking about here. 00:05:16.43\00:05:19.66 Our desire, in our own marriage, our desire has been to find 00:05:19.70\00:05:24.68 and establish or shall I say reestablish the real positions 00:05:25.40\00:05:30.56 that God has for us! Because where He created us 00:05:30.59\00:05:34.08 the closer we can come back to where He created us 00:05:34.11\00:05:37.57 the happier we are going to be as individuals and the happier 00:05:38.18\00:05:41.66 more blended we're going to be 00:05:41.69\00:05:43.08 in our marriages. 00:05:43.65\00:05:44.68 That's right! So, let's look at those roles than that we have 00:05:44.72\00:05:48.90 that God uniquely designed for us 00:05:48.93\00:05:51.47 to enter into as husband and wife in the marriage. 00:05:51.50\00:05:55.18 You know, the Apostle Paul tells us there in 1 Corinthians 11 00:05:56.50\00:06:00.69 verse 3: "I would have you know, that the head of every man 00:06:01.55\00:06:06.42 is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; 00:06:06.45\00:06:11.18 and the head of Christ is God. " 00:06:11.95\00:06:14.05 I think we can take a step back and look at how Christ shows 00:06:15.25\00:06:21.38 to be under the Heavenly Father. 00:06:21.41\00:06:24.80 It was a choice that He made. He was equal with God. 00:06:25.37\00:06:28.65 And because of sin, because of this very scenario that we just 00:06:29.34\00:06:32.98 talked about, where Eve decided that she was gonna do her own 00:06:33.02\00:06:36.63 thing and than Adam got involved and we know the story. 00:06:36.66\00:06:40.06 God and Jesus had a plan! Jesus chose to be under the Lordship 00:06:40.89\00:06:47.29 under the Head of His Father, 00:06:47.32\00:06:50.09 in order to carry out the plan of salvation. I think 00:06:50.57\00:06:52.87 that's beautiful! It was a cooperative plan that 00:06:52.90\00:06:55.13 where Jesus willingly, Jesus chose to willingly become 00:06:55.17\00:06:59.72 a servant. He chose to become a sun. He chose to become 00:06:59.76\00:07:04.28 a Savior! 00:07:05.04\00:07:06.14 Our savior! 00:07:06.87\00:07:07.84 And that's beautiful! 00:07:08.33\00:07:09.39 And I think if we can look at this context now where 00:07:09.77\00:07:12.98 where Paul the Apostle says that "the head of every woman 00:07:13.01\00:07:16.69 is the man. " 00:07:16.72\00:07:18.93 I know in our marriage we had some struggles with this. 00:07:19.63\00:07:23.76 Early on, especially! - Well, I wanted you to be 00:07:24.27\00:07:26.21 the head but I wanted you to do it my way! 00:07:26.24\00:07:27.90 That's right! 00:07:27.93\00:07:28.90 That was the problem! 00:07:28.91\00:07:30.09 I think that if we look at this in the way that Jesus 00:07:32.08\00:07:36.00 looked at this for our salvation. 00:07:36.03\00:07:38.76 Aren't you happier when you are in the position 00:07:40.10\00:07:42.64 that God designed for you to be? 00:07:42.67\00:07:44.40 Oh absolutely! I have found out to be the happiest I've been 00:07:44.44\00:07:48.49 because I can trust in your leadership! But it doesn't mean 00:07:48.52\00:07:52.54 that you make all the decisions alone! 00:07:52.57\00:07:54.34 That's right! - Because we work together! 00:07:54.37\00:07:56.07 And that's what that cooperation that is demonstrate 00:07:56.11\00:07:59.83 through Christ and the Father. 00:07:59.86\00:08:01.53 And that same thing needs to be demonstrated between 00:08:01.57\00:08:03.92 a husband and wife, that's the cooperation between the two. 00:08:03.96\00:08:06.54 That's right! 00:08:06.57\00:08:07.54 It's like having a team, you know! Your dad has often talked 00:08:07.55\00:08:10.54 about having a team of horses out on the farm you know! 00:08:10.57\00:08:13.06 That's right! - He used to drive a team 00:08:13.09\00:08:14.37 of horses when they planted the fields or plowed the fields. 00:08:14.41\00:08:17.13 And he talks about, he'd always tell us about the main horse. 00:08:17.56\00:08:22.62 They were yoked together but he'd have the main horse 00:08:23.48\00:08:26.95 that was the lead horse and then the other horse. But 00:08:26.98\00:08:30.42 they were a team together. 00:08:30.45\00:08:31.77 The lead horse by himself wouldn't be sufficient 00:08:31.81\00:08:35.40 to meet the task. And certainly 00:08:35.43\00:08:36.78 the other one needed the leadership of the lead horse. 00:08:37.54\00:08:41.74 So I think it's a beautiful illustration of what God designs 00:08:41.77\00:08:45.39 for us in our marriage, that we read here in the New Testament, 00:08:45.43\00:08:49.02 the Apostle Paul is talking about, that cooperation 00:08:49.05\00:08:51.63 that team effort! But there needs to be a leader and there 00:08:51.67\00:08:54.68 needs to be a helper, a help meet. 00:08:54.71\00:08:56.98 And even in the beginning, in the perfect environment 00:08:57.58\00:08:59.83 woman's role was called to be a help-mate for her husband. 00:08:59.87\00:09:03.67 So, the issue here, in this I wanna say especially for 00:09:05.02\00:09:09.10 the ladies that are listening, are watching today. 00:09:09.14\00:09:13.19 The issue here is not that we have to get woman 00:09:13.63\00:09:17.79 back into her right place. 00:09:17.82\00:09:19.56 And man just goes on business as usual. 00:09:20.18\00:09:23.57 What we're talking about is roles, plural today. 00:09:24.01\00:09:27.53 We're talking about getting men and women back into our 00:09:28.12\00:09:32.35 right roles, because we're living in a society 00:09:32.38\00:09:35.67 where it's been lost. 00:09:35.70\00:09:36.96 And it's being lost. It hasn't completely being lost, but 00:09:37.38\00:09:40.94 We wanna see the man take up responsibility. When I 00:09:41.81\00:09:45.70 began take up responsibility as the real priest and leader 00:09:45.74\00:09:50.40 of our home it made it a lot easier for you, 00:09:50.43\00:09:53.52 to take up in desire to take your role as the wife 00:09:54.08\00:09:59.70 in the home. - That's right! 00:09:59.73\00:10:01.56 So maybe we should turn to Ephesians 5:22 because 00:10:01.60\00:10:05.12 here we find it very clear. We've talked about this already 00:10:05.16\00:10:08.92 through this series Marriage Heart to Heart, 00:10:08.95\00:10:11.19 about the role of the wife, and it says here: 00:10:11.23\00:10:14.37 "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands 00:10:14.41\00:10:17.52 as unto the Lord. " 00:10:17.55\00:10:19.04 Now, unless we learn how to really submit or surrender 00:10:19.48\00:10:23.61 ourselves to God, we are going to find it impossible 00:10:23.65\00:10:27.66 to really understand how to submit to our husband. 00:10:27.70\00:10:31.68 Because we have to understand how to do it unto the Lord first 00:10:32.31\00:10:35.77 And one of the things that helped me the most was to know 00:10:36.17\00:10:39.18 that God only wants what is best for me! 00:10:39.21\00:10:41.45 And when I choose to trust Him, that's really what submission is 00:10:41.49\00:10:45.73 I trust Him with my life! I trust Him with my being, 00:10:45.76\00:10:50.80 with my happiness, with my peace with my joy! I trust Him! 00:10:50.84\00:10:55.11 And when I trust God it makes it easy to trust you! 00:10:55.54\00:11:00.06 - I know! - And God then fulfills 00:11:00.58\00:11:02.54 what He can do and He wants to do in us. 00:11:02.58\00:11:05.23 And to give us that peace and contentment. 00:11:05.58\00:11:07.63 That's right! 00:11:08.16\00:11:09.13 Now was there a time when it was difficult for you to trust me? 00:11:09.61\00:11:13.55 Oh Yes! - Do you remember that little 00:11:14.87\00:11:16.84 situation that happened when we were making our move 00:11:16.88\00:11:19.31 to the country? 00:11:19.85\00:11:20.82 Yes! I was learning in little things to trust 00:11:21.46\00:11:24.50 and to be submissive, in small ways and it's a growing process. 00:11:24.54\00:11:29.00 Because having been single and had my own career 00:11:29.03\00:11:32.17 and my own profession, lived in my own apartment 00:11:32.21\00:11:35.32 made all my own decisions. 00:11:35.35\00:11:36.66 And to move from that to being married, you know I wanted that 00:11:37.07\00:11:40.10 dependence on you but I still had a problem with controlling 00:11:40.14\00:11:43.97 thing myself! And I learned little by little in small things 00:11:44.00\00:11:47.80 and it was growing but when we made the move 00:11:47.83\00:11:50.01 and we were leaving our medical professions and all the security 00:11:50.05\00:11:54.31 of that, and we were moving to the country 00:11:54.34\00:11:57.74 and you were going to change occupations 00:11:58.33\00:12:01.41 A lot of changes! - A lot of changes! All at once! 00:12:01.45\00:12:04.81 I had it all figured out! This was my plan: 00:12:04.84\00:12:08.09 "Look, we're gonna move from suburbia 00:12:08.12\00:12:11.03 from health professions, we're gonna move to the country 00:12:11.06\00:12:13.85 they don't really need a lot of program directors for radiology, 00:12:14.71\00:12:18.69 X ray teachers" I guess I could say to make it simple. 00:12:18.72\00:12:22.17 What, you know, there's not those kind of jobs 00:12:22.70\00:12:25.63 where we were moving. 00:12:25.66\00:12:26.63 So, my reasoning, my understanding was: 00:12:27.20\00:12:31.90 "I'll just continue my nursing profession, I'll be a nurse. 00:12:31.94\00:12:35.05 everywhere, everywhere there's jobs for nurses! 00:12:35.08\00:12:38.53 I'll continue in my role as a nurse and make a little money 00:12:38.57\00:12:42.71 to sustain the family until you could establish your profession" 00:12:42.75\00:12:48.56 And what did I think about that? 00:12:49.82\00:12:50.99 You challenged me! 00:12:52.78\00:12:54.31 In a very loving way! 00:12:55.20\00:12:56.60 You said: "Honey we're not gonna move across the country, 00:12:57.08\00:13:01.07 for you to be out of the home and working. " 00:13:01.10\00:13:03.80 "The whole purpose of this is to return to God's original plan 00:13:04.28\00:13:07.75 as close as we can!" 00:13:07.78\00:13:09.30 "I don't want you working!" 00:13:09.78\00:13:11.31 And, you know: "I'll take care of you!" That was the promise, 00:13:11.81\00:13:14.81 the commitment you made to me. 00:13:14.84\00:13:17.39 - I know. - And I found it a joy 00:13:17.42\00:13:19.90 to surrender to that. Because it wasn't looking for my way out. 00:13:19.94\00:13:24.56 'Cause you really didn't wanna go back to work at that point. 00:13:25.37\00:13:28.45 I really didn't want to, but I felt like you know somebody 00:13:28.48\00:13:31.53 has to make an income. - Yes! 00:13:31.56\00:13:33.18 But, I trusted you in that and I saw you put forth a diligent 00:13:33.62\00:13:37.20 effort and I saw a willingness in you to do whatever it took, 00:13:37.23\00:13:39.96 in order to provide for the family. -That's right! 00:13:40.00\00:13:42.70 I would've done Glitches(?) if I needed to. 00:13:42.73\00:13:45.00 Or razed worms. You talked about razing worms. 00:13:45.04\00:13:47.28 I wasn't impressed. I'm sorry! 00:13:47.31\00:13:48.72 You know, right here I think it might be good for 00:13:50.05\00:13:53.68 our viewing audience, this is not to say that a woman 00:13:53.71\00:13:57.31 doesn't need to be prepared where there's a genuine need. 00:13:58.55\00:14:02.09 That's right! 00:14:02.12\00:14:03.09 Where there's a health challenge where there's a crisis. 00:14:03.10\00:14:06.39 A single parent. - Where there's a single parent. 00:14:06.42\00:14:09.15 There's many different situations. But what we were 00:14:09.19\00:14:12.24 talking about in what we were going through was: 00:14:12.28\00:14:15.30 If my wife would've begin working it would've made it 00:14:15.33\00:14:19.10 too easy for us to miss the transition that God wanted 00:14:19.14\00:14:22.90 and was preparing for us. 00:14:22.93\00:14:24.66 And we see this a lot. We see many, many marriages today 00:14:25.17\00:14:28.82 where it's either because of a life-style that wants 00:14:28.86\00:14:32.01 to be maintained, that you got two people that are 00:14:32.04\00:14:35.07 working together out there in the work force and 00:14:35.11\00:14:38.06 and the family is straggling in some of those areas. 00:14:38.10\00:14:41.02 Or it's just that maybe the wife can make more money 00:14:41.55\00:14:44.74 than the husband. When that scenario was happening 00:14:44.78\00:14:47.94 if the husband isn't working 00:14:47.97\00:14:50.48 to change that scenario we have found over and over again 00:14:51.00\00:14:55.11 that it creates imbalances in the marriage. 00:14:55.90\00:14:58.01 And we find as woman has left her role of nurturing 00:14:58.88\00:15:02.51 the children in the home and being a home maker 00:15:02.54\00:15:06.10 and providing a little "haven on earth" for the family 00:15:06.14\00:15:10.25 as she has left that role and has entered into the career 00:15:10.29\00:15:14.37 scene shall I say, and that becomes her life-focus, 00:15:14.40\00:15:19.47 we see the deterioration of families. -Yes! 00:15:20.07\00:15:22.32 all around the world it's the result of that! 00:15:22.36\00:15:24.54 Everywhere this has happened we see deterioration in the 00:15:24.58\00:15:27.48 families. And so, in order to continue 00:15:27.51\00:15:32.92 to develop our relationship as husband and wife we felt 00:15:33.69\00:15:37.76 the need to go back to the original. 00:15:37.79\00:15:40.67 And strife(?) for the original, for the best! 00:15:40.71\00:15:43.79 and to whatever level God could bless us with, 00:15:43.82\00:15:46.87 that's where we would be content. 00:15:46.90\00:15:48.45 That's right! 00:15:48.48\00:15:49.45 Well, we need to take a break right now 00:15:49.70\00:15:51.50 and we will come back and we'll talk about 00:15:51.54\00:15:53.31 the man's responsibly, the husband's responsibility. 00:15:54.55\00:15:58.02 So, stay with us! 00:15:58.05\00:15:59.45 There are many "How to?" books available, 00:16:04.93\00:16:06.70 but there's one that's free and perfect for every couple: 00:16:06.74\00:16:10.07 how you can "Build a Better Marriage". 00:16:10.10\00:16:12.41 Bible-based, matrimonial advice is given 00:16:13.23\00:16:15.24 in a lighthearted, easy-to-read manner, 00:16:15.27\00:16:17.24 for those contemplating marriage 00:16:17.65\00:16:19.69 newlyweds, couples in their golden years, 00:16:19.72\00:16:21.99 and everyone in-between. 00:16:22.32\00:16:23.72 Simply call or write for your free copy of 00:16:24.15\00:16:26.72 this amazing little booklet, a handy little tool 00:16:26.75\00:16:28.92 to help build a better marriage. 00:16:29.15\00:16:30.96 Welcome back! 00:16:36.91\00:16:38.02 As we're talking here together about the roles, 00:16:38.49\00:16:41.42 understanding our roles as husband and wife. 00:16:41.46\00:16:44.36 We were just beginning to talk about the importance of the 00:16:44.91\00:16:47.52 husband's responsibility here. It's not just what 00:16:47.55\00:16:51.12 you need to do! Or how you need to change or 00:16:51.15\00:16:53.83 reestablish your role. 00:16:53.86\00:16:55.90 We men, need to look at how we can reestablish our proper role. 00:16:56.81\00:17:02.09 And I think the verse in Ephesians 5 verse 25 is 00:17:02.12\00:17:06.56 is an appropriate starting place or 00:17:06.59\00:17:11.11 a real stepping stone to that. 00:17:11.14\00:17:13.59 "Husbands", it says "love your wives, even as Christ loved 00:17:14.17\00:17:18.11 the church, and gave himself for it" 00:17:18.14\00:17:21.54 The first key here is giving myself. 00:17:22.94\00:17:25.66 It isn't being a dictator. - That's right! 00:17:26.81\00:17:28.81 If I'm going to really love you, 00:17:29.68\00:17:32.68 in the same way that Christ loves his people, 00:17:32.72\00:17:35.25 loves the church and gave himself that I'm gonna 00:17:35.29\00:17:37.75 be willing to give myself. True leadership is service 00:17:37.79\00:17:41.93 and servants and it's interesting that even in 00:17:41.96\00:17:45.02 top corporations the top people who really have 00:17:45.05\00:17:48.04 successful employees are people that stay in communication 00:17:48.08\00:17:51.59 with those people that they are really in communication 00:17:51.62\00:17:55.10 and service from the top. - That's right! 00:17:55.13\00:17:58.13 It's really a blend of both roles that God has given us here 00:17:58.53\00:18:03.02 to bring us perfect harmony and unity and it's a perfect balance 00:18:03.05\00:18:07.51 because as wives learn to let the husband lead 00:18:07.54\00:18:11.35 and to be submissive to their leadership 00:18:11.38\00:18:13.95 and to work and cooperate with that leadership and 00:18:13.99\00:18:16.65 husbands learn to love their wives we have a marriage truly 00:18:16.69\00:18:20.84 Heart to Heart. 00:18:20.87\00:18:21.89 But when either one of us are refusing to enter into our role 00:18:21.92\00:18:26.37 that God has clearly marked out we find conflict in the marriage 00:18:26.40\00:18:30.84 If a wife is submissive and the husband doesn't love her 00:18:30.87\00:18:34.73 you have conflict. And if the husband loves his wife but 00:18:34.76\00:18:39.48 the wife refuses to let him lead and to be in subjection not 00:18:39.51\00:18:44.20 to be dominated by but to be led, 00:18:44.23\00:18:47.44 you have conflict! 00:18:48.03\00:18:49.27 That's right! 00:18:49.30\00:18:50.27 It's really "the two me(s)" in operation again 00:18:50.28\00:18:53.10 instead of "the us" the wife submission and 00:18:53.13\00:18:56.27 the husband's love brings us to a loving us relationship. 00:18:56.30\00:19:00.44 That's right! - And that's what we keep 00:19:00.47\00:19:01.97 working towards 'cause I'm not a perfect submitter all the time! 00:19:02.01\00:19:05.12 But I'm learning that I'm happier that way. 00:19:05.55\00:19:07.45 And I think that as I'm learning one of the things that 00:19:07.49\00:19:11.38 frustrates many women, and we've talked to many couples 00:19:11.41\00:19:14.38 where this is the case, one of the things that really 00:19:14.42\00:19:17.36 frustrates women is where they're desirous. 00:19:17.39\00:19:20.73 They want to have their husband lead. 00:19:20.76\00:19:24.16 And the husband just refuses. 00:19:24.19\00:19:25.75 And leadership here is in giving ourselves. It means 00:19:27.24\00:19:32.14 giving ourselves! 00:19:32.17\00:19:34.04 to do what we need to do for the family as the head of the family 00:19:34.76\00:19:38.19 as the priest of the home. 00:19:38.22\00:19:39.59 And so, it makes it difficult for a wife if I'm not really 00:19:40.11\00:19:45.22 supporting you as a husband, if I'm not really leading 00:19:46.97\00:19:49.15 the way, doesn't that make it hard for you? 00:19:49.18\00:19:51.54 to wanna follow? 00:19:51.57\00:19:52.92 Oh, absolutely, because I don't have 00:19:52.96\00:19:54.53 confidence there! - That's right! 00:19:54.56\00:19:56.06 But as I had put my confidence in the Lord 00:19:56.10\00:19:58.71 He helps me to find ways that I can encourage you 00:19:58.75\00:20:01.17 to take up that role. - That's right! 00:20:01.20\00:20:02.40 instead of criticizing. And I think this is very important 00:20:02.44\00:20:06.84 for us as women that we encourage and lift our husband 00:20:06.87\00:20:10.94 to help them to gain that leadership that we want. 00:20:10.98\00:20:15.02 And not to condemn them and criticize them 00:20:15.52\00:20:17.91 when they don't do it our way or when they fail. 00:20:17.95\00:20:20.08 Because this area, well we have a lot of influence in 00:20:20.56\00:20:25.90 how affective our will love us and lead in the family. 00:20:25.93\00:20:31.24 Yes! 00:20:31.27\00:20:32.24 Hebrews 13:5, Jesus, this is really the model of Jesus for us 00:20:32.25\00:20:39.76 And He says: "I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee" 00:20:39.79\00:20:43.50 - That's very comforting! - Isn't it though? 00:20:43.53\00:20:45.32 - Yes! - And He is to us, He is our God 00:20:45.35\00:20:50.74 He is our Savior. He plays the role to us as 00:20:50.78\00:20:54.90 the Husband and we as His church or His people 00:20:54.93\00:20:59.02 we are the Bride. 00:20:59.58\00:21:00.67 And so, here we are in this relationship and we know 00:21:00.71\00:21:03.87 that we can always count on Him. 00:21:03.90\00:21:06.24 He will never leave us, or forsake us! 00:21:06.28\00:21:08.00 It is been one of the things that I've tried to do 00:21:08.50\00:21:09.87 in our marriage. It is to give you the security that I will 00:21:09.91\00:21:13.28 not leave you or forsake you. 00:21:13.31\00:21:15.26 That doesn't mean just to get a divorce from you. 00:21:15.30\00:21:17.30 - That's right! - Or a separation. 00:21:17.33\00:21:18.50 It means that I wanna be there so you can count on me in 00:21:19.00\00:21:23.05 every situation and the little things of life. 00:21:23.08\00:21:25.86 That I'm there to be the leader, to be the priest, 00:21:26.40\00:21:30.00 to be the house bend. - My protector. 00:21:30.03\00:21:33.32 - Yes! To be these things and to provide for you. 00:21:33.36\00:21:37.42 And as I am choosing to do that 00:21:37.91\00:21:41.81 and choosing to trust Christ to do that 00:21:42.26\00:21:44.63 is that providing to you this security? 00:21:44.67\00:21:47.01 Oh, no question! I mean I could trust anything 00:21:47.55\00:21:50.79 you know, even if we were separated I know 00:21:50.83\00:21:54.00 I can trust you and I look to you to run my ideas by. 00:21:54.04\00:21:59.16 I look to you for your judgment for your input. 00:21:59.19\00:22:01.42 And for you to make a decision, not always but in many things I 00:22:01.46\00:22:05.92 do, even if they could be simple things that I 00:22:05.95\00:22:08.21 can do in the home. Even if I'm the one making those 00:22:08.25\00:22:10.83 decisions in your absence I still like to run them by you, 00:22:10.87\00:22:14.70 and get your input for them. 00:22:14.73\00:22:16.63 Well, I think that's the beautiful thing and this is 00:22:17.00\00:22:20.27 what I wanna bring through to the viewers today. 00:22:20.30\00:22:23.54 This understanding in reestablishing of our roles 00:22:24.51\00:22:27.00 is not where we're trying to say: "Ok, let's get this 00:22:27.04\00:22:29.50 woman back in her place, here!" - That's right! 00:22:29.53\00:22:34.47 "Let's put here in her place!" Right? 00:22:34.50\00:22:35.77 This restless woman that needs.. - Restraint! 00:22:35.81\00:22:39.42 Now let's let God put us each back in our rightful places. 00:22:40.34\00:22:45.94 Because it's as we are the husband and the wife 00:22:46.46\00:22:51.08 that God wants us to be, as my wife is truly submissive 00:22:51.11\00:22:55.53 first to the Lord as unto the Lord. 00:22:55.56\00:22:57.17 As you are truly submissive to the Lord you find your 00:22:57.75\00:23:00.88 your greatest opportunity to be submissive and to serve me. 00:23:00.92\00:23:06.45 That's right! 00:23:06.48\00:23:07.45 And as I am surrendered to the Lord I find my 00:23:07.46\00:23:10.25 greatest ability then to love you! 00:23:10.28\00:23:13.91 As Christ loved the church and to give myself for you. 00:23:14.65\00:23:18.56 Ok? 00:23:19.22\00:23:20.19 And so, it isn't: "Let's get woman back and get man 00:23:20.20\00:23:24.52 dominating again!" Now let's get woman back in the position 00:23:24.56\00:23:29.29 where she's contented to be what God intended for woman to be. 00:23:29.33\00:23:34.03 And you have things that I'll never have. 00:23:34.53\00:23:37.10 I mean we've talked about this before. You have 00:23:37.14\00:23:41.17 strength, that God given strength of how you relate 00:23:41.20\00:23:45.20 in the home environment. Even though you had a 00:23:45.23\00:23:47.61 professional career when I met you I can see 00:23:47.64\00:23:49.95 over & over again this ability to, well nest making. Ok? 00:23:49.99\00:23:55.51 And the bond that you have with the children, specially 00:23:56.10\00:23:58.30 when they were young, 00:23:58.33\00:23:59.38 Is something that men cannot equal. And I believe 00:23:59.42\00:24:03.54 that in the roles that God gave us that, that is a special gift 00:24:03.58\00:24:08.43 that He gives to women. 00:24:08.46\00:24:09.82 And He makes us men, you know we talk about the bucks 00:24:10.36\00:24:13.54 we have a lot of bucks and deer that come through our yard 00:24:13.58\00:24:16.67 where we live up in North-West Montana. 00:24:16.70\00:24:18.72 And it's amazing to watch the little bucks, 00:24:19.30\00:24:21.93 those little tiny bucks before they even have any antlers 00:24:22.69\00:24:26.74 They're up there ramming into those big bucks. 00:24:27.13\00:24:31.40 This bucks with these huge racks on them. 00:24:31.43\00:24:34.33 And, that's what the little.. they're getting prepared 00:24:34.36\00:24:36.93 - To face a harsh world. - For the harsh world. 00:24:36.96\00:24:39.07 And I believe God puts in us as men that part of our role 00:24:39.11\00:24:43.51 is being out there and facing a hard world 00:24:43.54\00:24:46.94 a tough world and that you're designed in a special way 00:24:47.40\00:24:50.86 to have that bond and that love with the children. 00:24:50.89\00:24:53.15 And, not that I don't have the bond with our children 00:24:53.70\00:24:57.15 I certainly do! But the roles there, there's a distinct 00:24:57.18\00:25:00.60 difference and they blend together 00:25:00.63\00:25:03.19 to complement the home beautifully. 00:25:03.22\00:25:05.71 That's right! It makes us complete in our marriage 00:25:05.75\00:25:08.52 that way. - That's right! 00:25:08.55\00:25:09.52 Because we each are taking up our responsibilities 00:25:09.53\00:25:12.68 to make the home run harmoniously. 00:25:12.71\00:25:14.74 One of the greatest blessings I found was to start 00:25:15.12\00:25:17.65 studying through Scripture about women. 00:25:17.68\00:25:20.41 And I wanna encourage you women to go to the Bible and 00:25:20.45\00:25:23.20 study what God has to say about women there. 00:25:23.23\00:25:26.07 Look how women lived with Christ through their roles 00:25:26.50\00:25:29.89 that God had given them. Especially in 00:25:29.92\00:25:31.76 the Book of Titus and Timothy we can get a tremendous 00:25:31.80\00:25:34.57 encouragement and I know what it's done in my life. 00:25:34.61\00:25:37.35 It doesn't make me any less of a person. 00:25:37.38\00:25:39.35 I become more complete as I'm willing to be submitted 00:25:39.39\00:25:42.45 to Christ and learn how to be that true companion 00:25:42.48\00:25:45.51 to my husband. 00:25:45.54\00:25:46.61 And the same goes for the men. I think men we need 00:25:47.21\00:25:50.33 to take responsibility, we need to recognize that 00:25:50.36\00:25:53.49 if we wanna become the men that God wants us to be 00:25:53.52\00:25:56.69 godly leaders, the priest of our home, we need 00:25:56.73\00:25:59.83 to be spending time in God's world that is where we'll find 00:25:59.87\00:26:03.74 the answers, which really leads us into the personal challenge 00:26:03.77\00:26:07.61 for the viewing audience today. 00:26:07.64\00:26:08.61 If we're going to be understanding our roles then 00:26:10.32\00:26:14.63 we need to really, as husbands, love our wives! 00:26:14.66\00:26:18.94 Even as Christ loved the church and gave himself. 00:26:19.55\00:26:23.23 Husbands we need to be willing to turn to Christ! 00:26:23.27\00:26:26.88 We'll never be able to love like Christ unless we're surrendered 00:26:26.92\00:26:30.96 like Christ surrendered Himself to become 00:26:30.99\00:26:34.29 the sin-bearer of the world. 00:26:34.32\00:26:35.67 We need to love our wives, we need to give ourselves 00:26:36.15\00:26:39.84 to our wives and make their lives easier in the role 00:26:39.88\00:26:43.54 that God has given them. 00:26:43.57\00:26:44.60 And we wives, we need to encourage our husband to 00:26:45.21\00:26:48.28 take up that role. And we need to cooperate with them 00:26:48.32\00:26:51.36 and allow them to lead us and our family. 00:26:51.39\00:26:54.66 That has been such a blessing in our home. 00:26:54.69\00:26:56.71 And I wanna challenge you the way God has challenged me 00:26:56.75\00:26:59.85 that with Him it is possible! 00:26:59.88\00:27:01.76 Amen! 00:27:01.79\00:27:02.76 And we need Him to make it possible! Let's pray together! 00:27:02.77\00:27:06.11 Father in Heaven we need Your Grace to be 00:27:06.73\00:27:09.38 the true husbands and wives that you want us to be. 00:27:10.09\00:27:12.90 We thank You that You give us the power 00:27:13.41\00:27:15.33 in Jesus name Amen! 00:27:15.36\00:27:17.57 Well we hope that you'll join us again as we talk about: 00:27:19.28\00:27:22.66 Finding Forgiveness 00:27:22.69\00:27:24.42 That's gonna be a good topic, isn't it dear? 00:27:24.46\00:27:26.27 Oh, yes! Something we all need! 00:27:26.30\00:27:28.31 And we've had to learn to find that real forgiveness 00:27:28.35\00:27:31.02 in our marriage, haven't we? - Yes! 00:27:31.05\00:27:32.89 And it's there! It's there if we are willing 00:27:32.94\00:27:37.05 because true forgiveness only comes from God! 00:27:37.08\00:27:41.16 So we look forward to seeing you! 00:27:41.70\00:27:43.16 Marriage Heart to Heart! 00:27:44.14\00:27:45.55 Marriage in God's Hands 00:27:48.97\00:27:50.51