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Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin,
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and welcome to Live To Be Well.
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I'm excited to be here today.
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And my special guest
is Miss Erica Muhammed.
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Welcome, Erica, how are you?
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Good. Thank you, Dr.
Logan, for having me.
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Listen, I'm excited,
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because what you
do the commitment,
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the unconditional commitment
to educating our children.
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It's like our
children are not getting
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what they need.
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So let's talk about
what grade you teach,
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where you teach,
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and why you have
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an unconditional
commitment for education?
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Okay, well, I
teach eighth grade.
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I teach in
Detroit Public Schools.
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I have an
unconditional love for teaching,
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because I believe God called me
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to do what I do.
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And I want to
provide services to students
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that someone along
the way provided to me.
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Yes.
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What are some of the challenges
that you face on a day to day?
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What's the day to day like?
And what subjects do you teach?
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I teach math.
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Oh, okay let me
just stop right there.
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Yeah.
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Now, I really,
really had a time.
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I had to repeat geometry
twice in the 10th grade.
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But I got it, I passed with a C,
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but the teacher was, it
was because of that teacher,
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very patient.
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I think it's foundationally
we all are born to,
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we have mathematical
components about us.
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So understanding
those components,
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and having a love to teach that,
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to make bring real
world mathematics to a student
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is one of the things
that has made me successful
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in the classroom.
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Some of the
challenges are behaviorally
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because we don't
have the parent networks
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that we need from home
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versus our generation.
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When we were growing up,
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you had your grandmother,
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you had your
mother, you had your father,
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you had your neighbor,
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so a lot of our
youth are being raised,
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raising, really
raising themselves.
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Yes, yes.
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So that dynamic has changed
so drastically for educators.
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And the stress of that,
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because you're not
only asked to teach,
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to transfer knowledge,
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but you're asked
to be the mother,
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the father, the counselor.
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There's so many more components
added on to your plate,
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as an educator.
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So on a day to day basis,
teaching eighth grade math,
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because that's that
transition to high school.
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Yes.
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You know, so they're really
trying to learn themselves,
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understand themselves.
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That was a
difficult time for me.
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And then you're
the top of your class,
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and then you got to go
back to being a freshman again.
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And so looking at the importance
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of all aspects of education,
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but we need to look
at the STEM program,
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we think about science and math.
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And so, how do
you incorporate that
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to help children to learn today?
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Well, children today are
when we talk about technology,
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they're more technology
driven than my generation was.
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So you have to
include those phenomenons
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that they like
into your subject.
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How do you talk about gaming?
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How does that can play a
component in mathematics?
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How does coding,
creating your own games
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or the language of it or apps?
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How can I teach them about apps
and relate it to mathematics?
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So you have to, you
can't teach today's students
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with yesterday's tools.
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All right.
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So what you have to do is
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bring that, that
same energy that they have
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about the things
that are going on,
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bring that to the classroom,
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that's what you have to do.
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And it is a challenge
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because you have
students that come in,
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they're eighth graders,
that's what their paper says,
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but academically,
they're fourth graders.
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I would say in most urban,
or a lot of urban districts,
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students come in
two years behind.
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So imagine in the suburban area,
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affluent area,
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you have a student
that enters at third grade,
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versus in the urban situation,
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you have a student
that enters at sixth grade,
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six years old.
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So a third grader
versus a sixth grader.
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And we're
talking about academia.
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So by the time that
third three year old, sorry,
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gets to be six,
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they're three years in advance
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versus my six year old
who enters kindergarten.
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How do we have a chance? Wow.
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So I would say
educating our parents,
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because we're not
learning at the same level
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that we were when
we were going to school
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is much more advanced than that.
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And some are just not aware.
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How do you deal with problems
when your children you see,
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they may be hungry?
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They're not clean?
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They are not
focused? What do you do?
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I mean because sometimes,
do you have to stay inside
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that boundary of the teacher?
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That is it or do you say,
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this child hasn't
eaten for two or three days.
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So what do you do? What
role do you take on then?
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You take on the mother
role, or the parent role.
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So what I do is
they have breakfast,
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I leave the breakfast out.
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And I tell them,
yes, there's a time
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for breakfast that's allocated.
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But if you're hungry,
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you're gonna do a
working breakfast,
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or a working lunch,
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and those type of things
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invite the students
to know this person,
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she cares about me
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not just about
what's being taught
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because you can't learn
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if you're, if all
that's on your mind is
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when am I gonna
have my next meal?
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Or what's going on at home?
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Those are distractions
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that our children come to school
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and you have to be prepared
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that sometimes it
might not be a teaching day
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for that, that particular child,
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it might be a love day
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where you just love
that child and allow them
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to have that space in
that time because they need it.
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What about wellness?
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As an educator stress is high.
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Yes, very high.
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And then your colleagues,
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how do you deal
with your own wellbeing
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and then go to work.
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And then your colleague
may be in a stress situation,
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may have lost a loved one,
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then you're dealing
with all aspects of anxiety,
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insomnia, depression,
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all these things going on.
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How do you
balance or manage that
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within your own life
and being an educator?
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Well, you have
to find an outlet.
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And one of the things
that I love about Dr. Kim,
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is she helped me
to organize my outlet.
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I started
exercising to release stress.
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Something you have to,
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it depends on you
as the person, let go.
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Yes. Yes, yes.
Let go and let God.
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Because some things you
just can't take on your own.
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I pray. I pray. Yes. Yes.
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I stay pray. Yes.
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So sometimes you
might have to say,
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okay, I'm gonna take a
break and say a prayer.
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And as far as my colleagues
go, we support each other.
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Yes.
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That's how you have to
become like a family unit.
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And everybody
that's in your family
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doesn't mean that
you don't like everybody.
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Okay?
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But at some point in
time, we all are human.
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Yes. Right.
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So with that being said,
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we are, we have a
responsibility to each other.
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I think that's
how I look at things.
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So I might not like
everybody that I work with,
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but doesn't mean that I
can't work with everybody.
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Erica, thank you
for your kind words,
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I really appreciate that.
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But I look so
forward to our time together
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every Thursday, 2:30 pm.
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Yes, I do too.
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Also I want to thank you
for your kind words of wisdom
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regarding my daughter, Erin,
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when I was in
some type of conflict
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about giving her a gap year,
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and I told you
what was happening,
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because, you
know, it's difficult
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for me to go to people
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because people come to me,
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and I don't want to
be a burden to anyone.
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But that particular day,
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you allowed me to just share
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and we were talking
about your children,
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and I said,
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"May I share
something, what do I do?"
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And you said,
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"Give her the gap here?
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What timetable are we on?
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It's about her and not you."
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And that was like,
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you know, music to my ears
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because I didn't understand
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and you helped me to understand
that she will get there.
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But let's pace
this right for her.
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All right?
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When we think
about certain behaviors,
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you said that math is
in every part of our lives?
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Explain that?
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Math is in every
area that you go into,
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you have to do mathematics.
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The bridge of your eyes,
from your eyebrows to your nose
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is directly connected
to the length of your ear,
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we are mathematics.
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So when you look
at it in those terms,
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every field that you
go into, if you are nurse,
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if you're doing graphic designs,
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all of those things
have mathematical components.
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But sometimes
that's not something
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that we even think about.
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When I'm teaching my students,
we talk about transformations.
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So I tell them translations,
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rotations, reflections,
those are dance moves.
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So we never think about that.
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Translation slide to the
left, slide to the right.
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We don't think of that
mathematical components
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when we're teaching.
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But if you teach to
what the students know,
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then you grasp their attention.
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You know, what
a teacher told me,
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I was learning about music.
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I was playing the clarinet.
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And I wasn't well in math,
I was in special education.
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And so the teacher said,
just put your hands right here.
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And just blow and I'm...
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Blow, blow and,
you know, in clarinet,
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you're to pull your lip
back in or you'll squeak.
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And so I did squeak
and everyone laughed.
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I said, "I'll
never do it again."
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Said, "Oh, pick it back up."
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So I would sit there and cheat,
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twinkle,
twinkle, whoo, whoo, whoo.
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But I wasn't playing, I
was just moving my hands.
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So the teacher said,
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"On Monday, I need you to know,
twinkle, twinkle little star."
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And I said, "I can't do it."
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"Yes, you can, count it out."
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I didn't want to tell
him I did not account.
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I didn't know how to count.
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Because I was in a
special needs program.
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But my mother saw me count
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when she would sing
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or my, my cousin
David would play the piano.
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I will do this.
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And my mother said,
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"Well, how many
beats are in the major?"
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And I said, "There's four."
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That's the whole note.
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And she said,
"What's two plus two?"
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I would say seven.
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She says, "How many, hold,
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how many counts
in the whole note?"
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I said, "Four."
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How many is in that half note?
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I said, "Two."
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Can you put the whole
note and a half note together?
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I said, "That's six beats."
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So my mother used
music to teach me math.
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Everyone learns
differently. They do.
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And so I thank the
Lord for my music teacher
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who recognized and I, I
just couldn't understand
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how do you get two
plus two, one plus one.
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It just didn't make sense to me.
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It just, I couldn't
fathom five plus five equals 10.
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And I'm counting 1-2-3.
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And then by the
time I get over here,
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I'm starting over here again.
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And so in my brain,
it wasn't registering.
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So when I was diagnosed
attention deficit disorder.
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And when I was diagnosed,
delayed, delayed language.
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I was in speech therapy.
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I stuttered severely.
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I was tongue tied.
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And, but my God
is able. Yes, He is.
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Is He able? Yes, He is.
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Because I went
right through statistics.
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Come on somebody. That's right.
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All right, and went right
through my doctorate program.
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And I still had
tutors. But I did.
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My mother said,
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"We're not giving up.
You just learn differently."
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And one of the hardest
things I had learning was
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measuring out food.
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I did not like
that three-fourth,
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four-eighth, one-half,
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you know, and my
mother was saying,
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"All right, let's
kind of pie in half."
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That's a half.
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But now when she went, she said,
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"But look at the fourth,
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you got four
pieces of that pie."
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So she used that pie.
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And I used that same theory
in statistics with an apple
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helping my sisters,
my students understand.
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So I say thank
you for finding unique
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and creative ways to teach.
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I want to go
personal for a little bit.
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Okay.
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You have been
suffering with alopecia.
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Yes.
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You came to me to deal
with the stress of that
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and dealing the
stress on your job.
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Your husband is a vice principal
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at a school system.
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Yes.
00:14:06.17\00:14:07.51
So you're
dealing with all of that.
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Tell us what alopecia is?
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How it impacted your
wellness, your health
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and what's going on with it now?
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Well, you know, I'm
gonna start from the beginning.
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When I first was
diagnosed with alopecia,
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my hairdresser is the one
who actually found the spot.
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She made me go to the laboratory
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with her to show me
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and I did not know.
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She said, "You need
to make an appointment
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with the dermatologist."
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So I went through,
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going to the dermatologist,
getting injections.
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Those weren't working.
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And so just looking
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at the stress of
everything that had happened
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before the spot came,
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the signs that that
happened to my body,
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as far as healthy wise,
00:14:58.79\00:15:00.56
being under so much stress,
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you don't grasp what's going on
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until something
dramatic happens.
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And for me having alopecia
was very dramatic for me.
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So I went through
injections, they didn't work.
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So it just, my hair
started to come back during,
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I guess, during my
de-stress when I was coming,
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you know, coming off of,
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not being so stressed
from that particular thing,
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but what it made me realize is
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sometimes you have to
take time for yourself.
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Yes.
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Because
tomorrow is not promised.
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That's right.
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And I look at what
could I have done differently?
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Well, we all have
stressful triggers
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that bring out something.
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Yeah.
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So as I was doing
research, that's the other thing
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that I decided to do.
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Let's do a whole bunch
of research on alopecia.
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And it's an autoimmune disease,
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which so is diabetes.
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My mother has sarcoidosis.
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So those things you
learn that are genetically,
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they're genetically, can
be genetically passed down,
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and they may sit
dormant in your body
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until something happens.
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And that's usually what happens.
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Stress happens to people.
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And so then
these things come out
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and you're
wondering what happened,
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I turn a certain age
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and just
everything just goes left.
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Yes.
00:16:23.58\00:16:24.91
But those are things
that stress can bring on.
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So I had to learn
how to do research,
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eat differently.
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It makes you
pray a whole lot more
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when you're
going through stress,
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something that you
don't have control over.
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Yes, yes.
00:16:40.76\00:16:42.10
I'm so happy that, you
know, your hair is growing back.
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Yes.
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And you are really
a lot more balance.
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Let's talk about relationships.
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How do you and
your husband balance out
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being both educators
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like Arthur and I
being both mental health,
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being in the house,
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so when we get home, I
didn't want to even watch
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anything about mental health.
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I just wanted to have downtime.
00:17:04.02\00:17:06.35
So do you and your
husband have downtime
00:17:06.39\00:17:09.36
away from
talking about education,
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even though you have
children who are in college,
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you have a younger son?
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Yes. And he's in what grade?
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He's in the eighth grade.
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He's in eighth grade,
yes. Oh, private tutor is home.
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So he's almost
like an only child.
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Okay. Okay.
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So one of the ways
that me and my husband,
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I would say, have
learned to de-stress.
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We talk about
stressful situations,
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and then put it behind us.
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Talk about it, let it go.
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'Cause sometimes we
hold on to all of this,
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and then it blows up.
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Talk about it, let it go.
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And we tried to find the
humor in life because life is,
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you know, some of the challenges
00:17:45.99\00:17:47.73
that you take on
00:17:47.76\00:17:49.13
can be humorous
when you look back
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on where you came from
and where you're going.
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That's right. Right.
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And you have to understand
00:17:55.40\00:17:56.74
where you have come
00:17:56.77\00:17:58.11
in order to know
where you're going.
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Yes.
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You as an individual,
colleagues, meetings,
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parent teacher's conference.
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Yes. Do they still have PTA?
00:18:05.48\00:18:08.02
They do still have PTA?
PTA, parent teacher conference.
00:18:08.05\00:18:10.69
Yes.
00:18:10.72\00:18:12.05
You know, a parent
teacher association.
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There we go. Yes.
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Right. All right.
00:18:14.92\00:18:16.26
And I remember
that like yesterday,
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but in that they're stressed,
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because you have students
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who may have been
absent and not there.
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You're trying to
meet numbers day.
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Yes.
00:18:27.74\00:18:29.07
And giving that
information out to the parents.
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What is the ratio of parents
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coming out to parent
teacher's conference?
00:18:33.11\00:18:35.28
Oh, um, it's...
00:18:35.31\00:18:37.88
I would say it's much less than
00:18:37.91\00:18:39.91
when we were sometimes
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you won't get 50% of
the parents coming out
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because they work.
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Oh, yes.
00:18:45.82\00:18:47.16
So, you know, if
you're busy trying to work,
00:18:47.19\00:18:50.73
when is it that you take time
into your child's education,
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that's another
component that hinders teachers,
00:18:55.83\00:18:59.97
because at some point in time,
00:19:00.00\00:19:02.00
you have to make that
just as important as making,
00:19:02.04\00:19:06.91
you know, money or providing
00:19:06.94\00:19:09.04
because it is just as important
00:19:09.08\00:19:11.55
buying into education,
00:19:11.58\00:19:13.05
and I think that
has left the field,
00:19:13.08\00:19:17.82
buy into education.
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If you don't
have the foundation,
00:19:19.29\00:19:20.76
how will you go anywhere else?
00:19:20.79\00:19:24.36
Yes, yes.
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Teachers make your
doctors, your lawyers.
00:19:25.76\00:19:28.80
Engineers. Yes.
00:19:28.83\00:19:30.17
Everyone. Yes.
00:19:30.20\00:19:31.53
You know, I
remember something else too.
00:19:31.57\00:19:33.77
I went into the
field of speech pathology,
00:19:33.80\00:19:37.14
my doing sign language,
00:19:37.17\00:19:38.94
and then went on my
Master's in counseling
00:19:38.97\00:19:41.31
and my doctorate in
counseling, psychology,
00:19:41.34\00:19:43.61
psychology of
counseling, and communications.
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And one thing I did in
my doctoral dissertation,
00:19:47.08\00:19:49.58
I talked about
00:19:49.62\00:19:50.95
that
communication is the father,
00:19:50.99\00:19:53.56
the grandfather
of all disciplines,
00:19:53.59\00:19:56.22
and whether you
use sign language,
00:19:56.26\00:19:58.09
if I said, okay, I want to talk
sign language to you right now.
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All right.
00:20:00.96\00:20:02.43
Do this, Erica. Okay.
00:20:02.46\00:20:04.40
That's hello. Hello.
00:20:04.43\00:20:05.77
Bye-bye. Bye-bye.
00:20:05.80\00:20:07.40
Thank you. Thank you.
00:20:07.44\00:20:08.94
You're still communicating
even none verbally.
00:20:08.97\00:20:11.17
Yes.
00:20:11.21\00:20:12.54
But communication is the
root as mathematics, English,
00:20:12.57\00:20:18.18
but we all need to
learn to communicate.
00:20:18.21\00:20:21.45
And so therefore we
want to empower that
00:20:21.48\00:20:24.72
through our wellness,
00:20:24.75\00:20:26.12
through the way we
spend time with our family,
00:20:26.15\00:20:29.92
spend time most
importantly with God.
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How does God, I
heard you say prayer,
00:20:32.93\00:20:35.53
the spiritual component,
00:20:35.56\00:20:37.33
you know, going into
the Detroit Public Schools.
00:20:37.37\00:20:40.67
And do you all have
the beams up for them
00:20:40.70\00:20:43.34
to go through
the metal detectors?
00:20:43.37\00:20:45.61
They do. They do.
00:20:45.64\00:20:47.44
In a middle school?
00:20:47.48\00:20:48.81
In a middle
school, in all schools.
00:20:48.84\00:20:50.51
In my school that I
teach at is a K through eighth.
00:20:50.55\00:20:55.02
So they all go
through metal detectors,
00:20:55.05\00:20:57.09
and that's something
different to that we never had,
00:20:57.12\00:21:01.06
who could have
phantom that even happening.
00:21:01.09\00:21:03.53
So yes, it's a different time.
00:21:03.56\00:21:05.49
And it's a different
way of thinking about things
00:21:05.53\00:21:09.26
that you have to think about.
00:21:09.30\00:21:10.63
Yes.
00:21:10.67\00:21:12.00
And so it's
very, very challenging,
00:21:12.03\00:21:13.57
but God always has a role.
00:21:13.60\00:21:17.24
He should be our center. Yes.
00:21:17.27\00:21:19.47
Our center... Yes.
00:21:19.51\00:21:21.84
Of everything that we do. Yes.
00:21:21.88\00:21:24.31
You know, I don't
know how people can
00:21:24.35\00:21:27.32
and you know, what's
the first thing we do
00:21:27.35\00:21:29.12
when you come in my office?
00:21:29.15\00:21:30.49
We pray.
00:21:30.52\00:21:31.85
And what's the
last thing before we?
00:21:31.89\00:21:33.22
We pray. We pray.
00:21:33.25\00:21:34.59
Yes. Because I cannot do this.
00:21:34.62\00:21:36.32
I don't know, Erica,
the way God knows you.
00:21:36.36\00:21:39.76
He brought you to me.
00:21:39.79\00:21:41.66
And therefore being a
good steward over your life,
00:21:41.70\00:21:43.70
your time, your mental
health, your wellbeing.
00:21:43.73\00:21:47.24
And when you come in,
00:21:47.27\00:21:49.20
and sometimes I may
go over a little bit
00:21:49.24\00:21:51.47
with the last client or patient.
00:21:51.51\00:21:53.01
You're so patient.
00:21:53.04\00:21:54.54
And, but you come on in.
00:21:54.58\00:21:56.11
Do you remember the incident
that happened when I said.
00:21:56.14\00:21:59.75
Erica, I have
to end the session?
00:21:59.78\00:22:03.15
We were halfway
and we were rolling.
00:22:03.18\00:22:04.75
Yes.
00:22:04.79\00:22:06.12
And I said,
00:22:06.15\00:22:07.49
"There's an
incident in my lobby."
00:22:07.52\00:22:09.59
And I said, "The
police are there."
00:22:09.62\00:22:11.69
I before warned you. Yes.
00:22:11.73\00:22:13.46
And you walked out.
00:22:13.50\00:22:15.73
You got a piece of candy
00:22:15.76\00:22:17.10
whether they had
a piece of candy,
00:22:17.13\00:22:18.47
Erin, go get our candy.
00:22:18.50\00:22:19.90
And she said, "Excuse me."
00:22:19.93\00:22:21.94
You were so understanding.
00:22:21.97\00:22:24.81
Somebody else might have just
lost their whole mental health
00:22:24.84\00:22:27.88
and just say,
"Well, this is my time."
00:22:27.91\00:22:30.11
But I want to thank
you for blessing my life,
00:22:30.15\00:22:34.78
to be able to do
what I have to do to
00:22:34.82\00:22:37.02
talk to those
two police officers
00:22:37.05\00:22:39.45
and be able to handle
that particular situation.
00:22:39.49\00:22:43.39
And when you came out and again,
00:22:43.43\00:22:44.93
I'd said,
00:22:44.96\00:22:46.29
"Erica, I have a situation.
00:22:46.33\00:22:47.66
Can we continue this next week?"
00:22:47.70\00:22:49.06
Of course we can.
00:22:49.10\00:22:50.67
And you were just so precious.
00:22:50.70\00:22:52.67
And you just, you
spoke to the police officers
00:22:52.70\00:22:54.67
and says hello, and
walked right through them.
00:22:54.70\00:22:57.87
You know, so you saw them even
00:22:57.91\00:22:59.94
and I knew you
were praying for me.
00:22:59.97\00:23:01.74
And you saw then Dr. Logan
00:23:01.78\00:23:03.85
has got to deal
with something else,
00:23:03.88\00:23:05.78
something else, something else.
00:23:05.81\00:23:07.72
But we do that, that's life.
00:23:07.75\00:23:10.09
Yes.
00:23:10.12\00:23:11.45
So balancing being
a woman of God first.
00:23:11.49\00:23:13.49
Yes.
00:23:13.52\00:23:15.32
Being a wife. Yes.
00:23:15.36\00:23:17.39
Being a mother. Yes.
00:23:17.43\00:23:19.09
Being a educator. Yes.
00:23:19.13\00:23:21.13
Trying to put
your me time in there.
00:23:21.16\00:23:23.80
Yes.
00:23:23.83\00:23:25.17
All your other family
coming to see Dr. Kim,
00:23:25.20\00:23:29.10
joins this rush day, you know.
00:23:29.14\00:23:32.57
And you were such
a blessing, you are.
00:23:32.61\00:23:35.48
You know, sometimes I will say
00:23:35.51\00:23:38.68
God puts people in your life
00:23:38.71\00:23:41.02
that you didn't think
00:23:41.05\00:23:42.82
that would be the
journey that you have.
00:23:42.85\00:23:45.42
But He does for a
purpose, for a reason.
00:23:45.45\00:23:49.96
I thank you so much
for coming into my life.
00:23:49.99\00:23:52.33
But I thank God for
putting you in my life.
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I appreciate that. I really do.
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And I'm getting
some tissue in a minute.
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All right. Let's...
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We've about four minutes. Okay.
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How do you help your children?
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You know, don't do as I do,
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or don't do as I
say or don't do as I do,
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but do as I say?
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How do you implement that
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especially your
daughter studying for the MCAT,
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and for those that don't know,
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the MCAT the exams that you take
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before entrance
of medical school
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to be accepted
into medical school.
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They look at the scores
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and then you apply to
certain medical schools
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of your choice.
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So she already has
her undergrad in what?
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In psychology. Oh, yes.
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Number two, master's degree?
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In her, in medical science.
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She's getting her
master's in medical science,
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she graduates the school year.
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And she's attending an HBUC...
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HBCU.
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Historically black
colleges and universities.
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I always say it backwards. Yes.
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Um, the importance
of you being an example,
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you and your husband.
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Do they listen?
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or Are they just
like normal kids,
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you have to deal
with issues with them?
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I think they listen a
lot more than I would say
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maybe some average
children because you raise them.
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The way that you raise a child
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is that's the way
the child shall be.
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So I say that
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because my
daughter is a listener,
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my older son is
more of a challenge.
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So he might not see
the end of the light bulb
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as we're telling him,
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but they don't stray too far
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if you raise your child.
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The right way?
Yes, the right way.
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Can we talk
about how your daughter
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was almost taken on vacation?
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Yes, we can. We can.
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She was on, tell
us where she was?
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Okay. She went to
Jamaica for a trip.
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It was supposed to be a trip
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for tutoring community,
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what is it called?
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She was given an opportunity
to have community service.
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That's what it was.
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So her and a friend.
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They were traveling, you
know, they were going out.
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And so, she thought
she was helping a friend,
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being with the friend.
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And what happened was,
they met some gentlemen,
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who did not
have the same agenda.
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And so my
daughter was saying that
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something in her
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made her wake up, just wake up.
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And so she talked them into,
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she said, she had
to use the lavatory.
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And so, you know, the gentlemen
didn't want to turn around.
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She said, he wanted to
take her to the gas station.
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She said, oh, no,
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she said, that's disrespectful.
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So they turned
around to the resort
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that they were staying at.
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And she said when
they got to the resort,
00:26:54.28\00:26:56.08
she jumped out the car
and ran into the resort.
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But I said it
was no one but God,
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who had warned her
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there's something
tragic may have happened.
00:27:04.32\00:27:06.55
Happened to her life. Yes.
00:27:06.59\00:27:07.99
See, and so we're dealing
with that as mothers every day.
00:27:08.02\00:27:10.19
Yeah.
00:27:10.23\00:27:11.56
And we're talking
about human trafficking.
00:27:11.59\00:27:13.50
We're talking
about type of violence,
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domestic violence.
00:27:15.70\00:27:17.03
Yes.
00:27:17.07\00:27:18.40
And so I praise the
Lord that she came back
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and I remember
that therapy session.
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And when you told me that
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and then we went right
into thanking and praising God.
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Yes.
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I want to thank you
today for being with us
00:27:26.54\00:27:27.98
on the Dare to Dream Network,
00:27:28.01\00:27:29.54
Live To Be Well.
00:27:29.58\00:27:30.91
And may God continue to use you
00:27:30.95\00:27:32.85
and your
unconditional commitment.
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Let me say this that
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it is not an easy
profession being educators
00:27:37.32\00:27:40.09
such as Erica,
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but she has made
a commitment to God
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and to the parents
and to the children.
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Let us make that
same commitment to God
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in service with all
our gifts and talents.
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Let it be said well done
my good and faithful servant,
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enter into the joy
of My Father's kingdom.
00:27:56.67\00:27:59.04
I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin,
and live to be well.
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God bless.
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