Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin,
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and welcome to Live To Be Well.
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What is live to be well?
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Mind, body and soul.
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But without God,
we will be nothing.
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I am so happy today
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to be talking about
the value of education.
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I am so thankful
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that my parents
sacrificed for my siblings and I
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to be educated,
to be able to grow
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and to be here today
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on the 3ABN Dare
to Dream Network.
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I want to welcome my
special guest and friend,
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Mr. Michael Terrell.
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Hi, Mike. Hey.
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How you doing? I'm fine.
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And thank you so much
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for allowing me
to be part of this.
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Oh, God is good.
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You know, we used to call you,
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Arthur and I had a
little name for you,
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The Golden Boy.
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Oh, wow.
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Oh, this man has
an amazing voice.
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God has blessed you.
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But today we're here to talk
about the value of education.
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Let's talk about your journey,
and why you became an educator?
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It seems like a long time ago,
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but I was on path
to go into the trades.
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And I had an uncle that told me,
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you know, don't do that.
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Go to school and teach it.
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But I want to be a doctor.
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You know, I was, I
was a little conflictual.
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But I went off to
Andrews University.
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And because I
was having trouble,
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some of the local schools
going to a classes and things,
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scheduling.
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So went to
Andrews, and I was started,
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I got a job working
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at the Berrien
County Juvenile Center.
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And I thought to myself
working with these young men.
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What if I could
really catch them at school,
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if I could work with them there,
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it's cemented the
desire within my heart.
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What my uncle said
really made sense to me,
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because I was battling
with psychology, education.
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And I've always been
good in the sciences.
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Yes.
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And it settled
me, helped me to focus
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just on education.
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And Dr. Benjamin
Reeves called me one day.
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Yes.
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He said because
everybody was always telling me,
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Mike, you're
running from the Lord.
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You're supposed
to be a preacher.
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I was, when I was
at Adelphian Academy,
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I was a preacher of 17
different organizations
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on campus.
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What? Seventeen.
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Everybody was, Mike,
you're a good speaker
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and you love the Lord.
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You should be a preacher.
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Dr. Benjamin
Reeves grabbed me one day.
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Because I was set on
talking with Wintley Phipps.
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Yes.
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And people say,
man, you can sing
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and you can preach.
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You know, you could be,
maybe be another Wintley Phipps.
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Oh, he grabbed me
to come to my office.
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He did. He sat me down.
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He said one of the
most remarkable experiences
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he'd ever had
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is when he was, he
had to leave the ministry
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to finish his PhD in Chicago.
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Yes.
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And he taught elementary school.
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And he told me that was
the most remarkable experience
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he had ever had in
terms of witnessing,
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working with
these little children.
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He said, "Mike, you
don't have to serve the Lord.
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You don't have to be a pastor."
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"Okay.
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There's a
mission field out there
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in the school system
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that you can be a part of."
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He said focus on that.
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I said thank and so
ever since, ever since,
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and between that and
working with the young boys
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at the Berrien
County Juvenile Center,
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and developing
relationships with them,
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and seeing their struggles.
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Yes.
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And I could
relate to a lot of them.
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What's funny, when I got there,
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they gave me an assignment
to work with a group of boys
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who are the
children of alcoholics.
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I am the adult
child of an alcoholic.
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It's that right.
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My father was a...
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was what we call a
functional alcoholic,
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went to work, good provider,
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kept us in home,
had his own business,
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worked in
Chrysler's during the day,
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went to barber
school in evening,
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bought an old gutted outbuilding
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on 12th street in Detroit
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and turned it into a barber shop
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with his own little hands.
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The wiring, the
plumbing, the painting,
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you name it, he did it.
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We were proud of daddy.
But daddy was an alcoholic.
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Wow. You know.
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So here, I'm
assigned to these children.
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These young boys. Yes.
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I learned as
much about myself as,
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they helped me as
much as I helped them.
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Yes.
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It really made me
want to get into education.
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Yes.
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So... And that's
where it started.
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That's where it really started.
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Let me go back
and just let you know,
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Andrews University
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is one of our Seventh-day
Adventist higher education,
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undergraduate
studies and also higher ed
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is located in
Berrien Springs, Michigan.
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Adelphian Academy,
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where Mike and I
both attended is,
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well, it's closed now
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was a boarding school,
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and we will come
home once a month.
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Yeah.
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And we lived in the campus
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and it prepared you for college.
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And that was
located in Holly, Michigan.
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Holly, Michigan.
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And so, these
are the two schools
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where Mike was at,
one of the two schools
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where he was educated.
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So what happened
after Andrews University?
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Well, you know, I
went to Western Michigan,
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and I graduated from there
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because the
tuition at Andrews was just
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become a bit of a deterrent.
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And I finished at Western.
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And after I graduated,
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I got really good reviews
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and letters of
recommendation from my teachers.
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Yes.
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You know, in terms
of my ability to teach,
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and I was actually offered
a teaching job in Kalamazoo,
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at Loy Norrix High School.
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I did my student teaching there.
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Okay.
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And when I finished,
they offered me a job,
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offered me a job.
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Praise the lord. Yes.
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But I came home,
came home to Detroit.
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Came back. Came back.
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And because this is home.
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Came back to give
back. Came back to give back.
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And my mission field was
going to be the public schools.
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And my focus was high school,
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even though I'm
certified to teach K through 12.
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Yes.
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I thought my
niche is high school.
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Yes.
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And I wound up in
infamous Cooley High School.
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Cooley High School.
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Rough, rough, rough.
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Rough, you didn't
even drive down the street
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if you didn't have to.
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I can remember
while I was there.
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One of the security
guards had to shoot a student
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because she was trying
to run him over with a car.
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You know, I had kids
come at me to attack.
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It was funny when
they gave me my assignment.
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I walked into a classroom
was like watching a movie.
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Kids were
standing on top of desks,
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throwing books, spit
balls, laying on the floor.
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You know, you name it.
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Dennis, so here's your room.
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These are your students.
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Walked out, closed the door.
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That was it. That was it.
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Go for it, man.
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And I picked up a paddle.
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And I banged on the
desk, just to get attention.
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Yes.
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I said, I'm here to
teach you something.
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If you want to learn, sit down.
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Give me five
minutes to prove to you
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I've got
something I can teach you.
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Architecture class.
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My focus was designed.
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Is that right?
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All right.
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And they said, I said,
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"Yeah, man, we'll
give you a minute.
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We'll give you a minute."
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Like they're in
charge. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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They were at the
time. At the time.
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And I went to the board,
and I said, now listen to me,
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I began to talk, put
some things on the board.
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They said,
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"Hey, wow, that's interesting."
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You know, hey, you sit down,
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let's give the
dude some more time.
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They said, "Keep talking man."
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Kept talking.
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Within that same week,
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my department head came
running in my classroom.
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He said,
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"I was concerned
because it's so quiet in here.
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I thought something was
wrong, because it's quiet."
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It's quiet.
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And he said, I thought you maybe
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you were tied up in the corner.
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But he says, you're
really doing a good job here.
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And the kids
started to praise me
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because of what I was doing.
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And he said,
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"This dude cares about us.
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He's teaching us
to be something."
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Something.
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Then it took off from me
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then I was and I
was a sub at the time.
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They offered me a contract.
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And I wound up in
Mumford High School.
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Mumford, another one.
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Doctor Robert Onu was
the principal at that time.
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I remember Dr. Onu, yes.
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But you know, I was impressed
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when I got to
Mumford for my interview.
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When the bell rang,
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the students were
rushing to get to class.
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You know, I went
by the violins room,
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you know, the music teacher
was there with the choir.
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And then they
showed me my classroom.
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Here again, they
took me up to a room,
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it looked like a warehouse.
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They said, "Here's your room."
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Oh, my goodness.
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Desks had to be assembled.
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The room needed to be painted.
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It was a mess.
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I said, "How am I going to
teach architecture in here?"
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He said,
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"You know, you
figure out something.
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You're smart guy."
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Oh, my.
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So that was it? That was it.
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So every day I assembled desks,
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I stole paint
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from another
department in school,
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I painted my classroom.
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And the kids saw
me open this ladder
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during my lunch break.
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And after school, they
said, "Hey, why are you doing?"
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I said, "This is for you.
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This is for you.
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This classroom's got
to be special for you."
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Some of them
would come and help me.
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And they will come and help you.
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And I got that room painted.
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And next thing you
know, we're moving along.
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And I got the inspiration
from Dr. Harry Robinson III
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from Harvard University.
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I was gone to DC
to visit some family.
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And I want, I
never been to Harvard.
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And since I taught architecture,
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I asked could I go to
the school of architecture.
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And I told him
what I was trying to do
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in Detroit.
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And he said,
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"You know, know what you're
talking about is college level.
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That's not high school stuff."
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He said, "Let me help you."
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And he started
gave me some textbooks.
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We interviewed for
while, talked for a while.
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He would have his
graduate students at Harvard
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send me information.
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Oh, that's a blessing.
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Because I had an
Afrocentric approach
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to the teaching of architecture.
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Yes, yes.
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Then in '97, I got the
idea, the Lord gave me the idea.
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Take these kids to Africa.
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And I started raising funds.
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I got a lot of
support from different people,
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all different walks of life.
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And we actually were able
to go over our spring break.
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We were two and a half weeks.
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We flew into Madrid, Spain.
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We took a cruise ship
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after we
towards the lower Spain.
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Yes, yes.
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Southern Spain,
cruise ship over to Morocco.
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We met at the
docks from a professor
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from the University of Tangier.
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And he took us
through all of the Morocco
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and study different
things, was fascinating,
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then we ended up in Portugal.
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Because a lot of
the sub-Saharians
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from the University of Timbuktu.
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You know, Timbuktu was the size
of Michigan State University
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back in the day,
way back in the day.
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And during the crusades
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when the knights from the round,
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you know,
shouldn't say roundtable,
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but the Catholics decided
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they were going to
convert the Africans,
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okay, to Catholicism,
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and Timbuktu had a university.
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Military science
was part of the...
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And they came, they
fought in the crusades.
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Okay, turn the tide of the war.
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And all this stuff
was presented to the kids.
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Yes, yes, yes.
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From perspective of you
have much to be to be proud of.
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Your heritage is great. Yes.
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And it was just a
fascinating experience.
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And we came back, we
were rock stars all of us.
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You know, the kids loved
it the attention they got.
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But the tears I
saw in their eyes
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while we were in Africa,
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and they learned
about their heritage
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from people who were there,
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people who look like them.
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And people who
didn't look like them.
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Yes.
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They were acknowledging
what happened there.
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It was a wonderful experience.
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That's a blessing.
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You know, and it just reinforced
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what I felt like,
yes, the Lord put me here.
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This is what I need to do.
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This is my mission field.
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Going back to that
conversation with Dr. Reeves.
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And just seeing God work.
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You are a Seventh-day Adventist,
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born and raised?
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Yes.
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How did your
faith come into play
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and engage with the students?
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Because you saw so
much in the school system
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and it wasn't comfortable.
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No.
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And how were you able
to hold on to your faith
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in all of that,
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because we deal
with stress, anxiety,
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you see the depression,
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children coming
to school hungry,
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holes in their shoes,
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wearing the same
clothes for four days.
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Maybe you have an odor,
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you know, don't have
toothpaste and toothbrush.
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So how did you allow your faith
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to be an example for the Lord?
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And how did you
maintain your peace?
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First thing,
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I would run to
work off my stress.
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In the evenings, when
I get off, I would jog.
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You would jog. Help
me keep my stress down.
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All right.
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Because if everything else
is falling apart around me,
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I have to keep myself together.
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Yes. I'm in control.
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And I realize that
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I am a point of
focus for the students.
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Yes.
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Another thing that I did,
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my mother, bless her heart,
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Christian woman helped
me to believe in myself
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when I didn't believe in myself.
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Yes.
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I am the adult
child of an alcoholic.
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Yes.
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My father was a good man.
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But he was an alcoholic. Yes.
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It affected me as a child. Yes.
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Especially when
it came to the point
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we were no longer a
middle class family.
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We were struggling to
keep our homes and our home.
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And my mother had to
go back to work full-time
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because for a while my
mother didn't have to work.
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She had degree in nursing
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from Pacific
Union College you know.
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I know Pacific Union College.
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Yeah, UC, she was a
graduate from way back
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when mama had to
become the breadwinner.
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Daddy lost his barber shop.
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My father had a barber shop.
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And things were very difficult.
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I was that child that
sometimes came to school
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with clothes that weren't quite
what you would want them to be.
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I can remember a girl
walked up to me one day,
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I had a hole in my pants
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and she stuck her
finger and started to laugh.
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You talk about embarrassing,
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and I ironed those pants
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and washed them
and ironed them out
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and pressed off, so
nobody see that little hole
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when you know.
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She saw...
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She saw the hole, walked
up and stuck a finger in it.
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So I was one of those kids,
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you know, sure, had a bath
and all that kind of stuff.
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We got go to school.
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You know, I didn't stink,
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but I was the least of
these in some situations.
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But my mother taught
me to believe in myself.
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She told me every
day what potential I had,
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and how the Lord
was going to use me
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to do special things one day.
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As a matter of fact,
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they wanted to keep
me back in eighth grade.
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Yes.
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So I should repeat eighth grade.
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My mother said no.
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My child is not
repeating eighth grade.
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And she sent me off
to Adelphian Academy
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and she convinced the
principal there that give my...
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Grades don't look so good
because emotionally, I was...
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Been through a
lot. Been through a lot.
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You know, I'm a child that,
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I hate to say this,
violence in my home.
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I had to get between
my mother and my dad.
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Violence, you
know, it affected me.
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She took me up and said,
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"Give him a chance.
Watch what he'll do."
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End of my first freshman year
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I was voted the
most valuable person
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in the freshman class.
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They gave me a check.
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She said, "Watch what he'll do."
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Yes. And it just took off.
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Yes. It would just took off.
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When I got to
Andrews, I was very busy.
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Yes. Active in different things.
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Very involved. Very involved.
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The Lord helped me
to see the gifts I had.
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Yes.
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I had two teachers,
actually more than two.
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One told me, Mike, of
all my freshman composition.
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He said of all the students
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I remember his name to this day.
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But he told me
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at the end of the semester
of all the students I've had,
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in the things
that they've written,
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your work should be published.
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You should be a writer.
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Had a sociology teacher
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come to me after he caught
me in the hallway, told me,
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"I expect to see
you doing great things.
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You just, there's
something about you young man."
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Yes.
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And I got these from
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people that would come after,
come to me and pray with me.
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Yes.
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I had a teacher at Andrews.
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Because I was
working 40 hours a week
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and taking 12 hours.
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My Goodness, full load.
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Full load.
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I worked 40 hours a
week, afternoons or midnights.
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Yes.
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And when I was
working midnight shift,
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one of the teachers,
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he was in my first
hour class at Andrews.
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He knew that I worked midnights.
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Yes.
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And if I...
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One day, I didn't
show up for class,
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he excused himself
from the classroom,
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went into his office
and called my apartment
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to wake me up.
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He said, "I
knew you were asleep.
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I know you'd fall asleep.
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Because you
always here in class."
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He said, "I wanted to help you."
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Yes. Called me in my apartment.
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Yes.
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So I could get to class. Oh, my.
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You know, people like
that, that cared about me.
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They saw something in me
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that made them
want to reach out to me.
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So I in turn I realize that
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and I need to
reach out to these kids.
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Yes. So confidence.
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I realized as a teacher,
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every day,
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I had to build
confidence in these kids.
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I had helped them to
believe in themselves
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when they did not.
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Could you talk about,
I know state and church.
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Could you, did
they ever asked you,
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you know, Mr. Terrell,
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where does your faith come from?
00:17:17.83\00:17:19.60
Why are you so nice?
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Why are you so
giving? Did they ask you?
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You know how they started.
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We have a lunch.
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I was having lunch.
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And some of the
kids came to my classroom
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to get extra help
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with their drawings and whatnot.
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And they saw me eating
the strange looking food
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that they thought.
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And he said, "Mr.
Terrell, what is that?"
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I said, "Well, it's,
this is veggie burger, man.
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It's a veggie burger."
00:17:41.86\00:17:43.99
I said, "I'm a vegetarian."
00:17:44.03\00:17:45.66
And he said, "You're what?"
00:17:45.69\00:17:47.03
He said, "Well, you
look too healthy to be,
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you know, don't you eat
lettuce and carrots all day.
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You can't look healthy
when you're eating that."
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I said, "No".
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I said,
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"I'm a Seventh-day
Adventist. I'm a Christian."
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And they said really, they said,
00:17:58.51\00:18:00.11
"You know we knew something
was different about you."
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And they got so
they would ask me,
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because I couldn't bring it up.
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They would ask
me to pray for them.
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Right.
00:18:08.72\00:18:10.05
They will come
to my room... Yes.
00:18:10.09\00:18:11.42
And asked me to pray for them.
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One day, I organized
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a lot of field
trips for my kids.
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Yes.
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And we were on
our way someplace.
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I told kids, you
know, usually when I travel,
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I pray before I hit the road.
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Yes. But I
can't do that for you.
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They said, "Yes you can."
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Set up, we're on the bus now.
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We're on the school bus. Yes.
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We will, Mr.
Terrell pray for us.
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Anybody who got a
problem with that?
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No, we don't think
so. Pray Mr. Terrell.
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We prayed and head out for UFM,
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or large techo, UD, whatever.
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And so it was the
thing where they came to me
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for not only just for academics,
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but for support.
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I had one young lady.
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The bell had rung,
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I'm still, this was at
South Hill High School.
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Yes.
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She handed me an envelope.
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And she said,
read this, Mr. Terrell,
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when you get a chance.
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And she left my classroom.
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I was curious. I
opened it up right away.
00:19:04.47\00:19:05.81
Yes.
00:19:05.84\00:19:07.18
It was a suicide letter.
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She was telling me what,
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why she was
going to kill herself
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and how and what
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and she appreciated me
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time I spent with her.
00:19:18.59\00:19:19.95
But she was just,
she couldn't handle life.
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I dropped that and
ran out in the hallway
00:19:23.63\00:19:25.76
trying to where did she go?
00:19:25.79\00:19:27.13
Where she is in?
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I ran down to
her council found out
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where next class
where she wasn't there.
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And we just, you know,
put up the APB you might say
00:19:31.27\00:19:36.14
and we did find her.
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We were able to intervene.
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But kids would come to
me with things like that.
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Yes.
00:19:41.11\00:19:42.44
Children, young ladies
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who are pregnant and
couldn't tell their parents,
00:19:43.85\00:19:46.18
they will come to my
classroom with girls.
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Yes.
00:19:47.82\00:19:49.15
Fellows who have been
abused would come to me.
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Yes.
00:19:52.59\00:19:53.92
I thought this
is a mission field.
00:19:53.96\00:19:55.76
This is a place.
00:19:55.79\00:19:57.13
And for them to want
to come and pray with me.
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Yes.
00:20:00.56\00:20:01.90
That was your pulpit, you know.
00:20:01.93\00:20:04.07
So I heard you
mentioned South Hill High,
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so you
transitioned Cooley, Mumford...
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From Colley,
Mumford to South Hill High.
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There was a little
space in between Mumford
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and South Hill High.
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My mother and sister
were braving, you know.
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And I moved my
mother in with me,
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and then I moved
my sister in with me.
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Wow.
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And I was caring for,
mean had a bedroom set up,
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hospital beds and
whatnot in my home
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and I was having a
hard time teaching.
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So ever having to leave
school Mumford and run home
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or something's going on.
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And so I took a
leave of absence.
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And during that
leave of absence,
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there was some
confusion downtown
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and they let me go as a teacher,
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it's someone from
school center building
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let me go as a teacher.
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And so I got my
builder's license
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and I started contracting,
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while I took care of
my mom and my sister.
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Wow.
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And one day, I was up on
a ladder stringing lights
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in a commercial building.
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My cell phone goes off.
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And was my old
teacher from Mumford,
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who's now with
South Hall Public Schools.
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She said,
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"We really need
someone with your skill set.
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Would you
please come over here?"
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I said, "Well, I'm contracting,
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I've got documents,
I've got these builders,
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projects I have to
complete, I just can't leave."
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She, "Just come over and talk."
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And I went over there,
to make a long story short,
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they made me an
offer I couldn't refuse.
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All right. The principal got me.
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Well got an
interview with the principal,
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he walked left his desk,
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walked through the
door stood and she said,
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"You're not leaving here
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till you sign a
contract to teach here."
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Praise the Lord.
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We need you and
they made me an offer
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I could not refuse.
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And is that when
you retired from?
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I retired from
South Hill Public Schools.
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Let me ask you,
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we see what's going
on in our society today,
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the value of education.
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This education also
transitions into the church.
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How are you using your
skills now that you're retired?
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Do you use them in the church
as a Sabbath School teacher?
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Are you an elder?
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Do you speak for services
when the pastors are away?
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You know, how are you
taking those skills now
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in maintaining
the value of education
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within your church.
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And let me say this
because we tend to just go
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and be benchwarmers
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because I've worked.
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I've paid my dues. I'm retired.
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I'm just going to get me
a good sermon and go home.
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But some of us and
a lot of us still work
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because someone has
to keep the church going.
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So tell me about that?
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I've been an elder
since I was about 21.
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And very active in my church
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community fellowship SDA Church,
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Lathrup Village, Michigan.
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Okay, don't tell me, da-da.
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Yeah, it's City Temple here.
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All right.
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Wait, and you
grew up at City Temple?
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That's the first church,
I remember as a little boy.
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So you were
baptized at City Temple.
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Home, that was home.
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You know who
baptized you? Elder Flack.
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No, no, Elder Flack,
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actually what when we left
City Temple, left City Temple,
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and I got baptized in Inkster.
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Elder Rothecker Smith.
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He baptized me out in Inskter.
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Community good people there.
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They're wonderful people.
00:23:15.72\00:23:17.46
But he was a
member of City Temple.
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For many, many
years. Many years.
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That is still
home. That's still home.
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It's still home.
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But very active.
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There's some things my,
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I learned some things
00:23:29.87\00:23:32.44
while I was a
South Hill High School,
00:23:32.47\00:23:34.38
the Lord blessed me
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to establish a
partnership with NASA.
00:23:35.78\00:23:39.91
Space Administration.
00:23:39.95\00:23:41.42
They work with
my date with NASA,
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South Hill High became
00:23:43.99\00:23:45.32
the first high
school in the country.
00:23:45.35\00:23:46.69
And I'm bringing this around
00:23:46.72\00:23:48.09
to have a partnership with NASA.
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First high
school with the flagship
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for this program.
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And I learned things by
working with the government,
00:23:53.93\00:23:57.07
how they did things
and what was available.
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It opened my
mind to many things.
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I've been able to take that
00:24:02.50\00:24:03.84
and transfer
that into my church.
00:24:03.87\00:24:06.88
Right now,
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a couple of times a year
00:24:08.28\00:24:09.61
we work with the women's
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South Oakland shelter for women.
00:24:12.21\00:24:13.98
Yes.
00:24:14.02\00:24:15.35
Which is right around
the corner from our church.
00:24:15.38\00:24:16.95
Yes.
00:24:16.99\00:24:18.32
We take food baskets over there.
00:24:18.35\00:24:19.69
Oh, nice.
00:24:19.72\00:24:21.06
We are, as we speak
00:24:21.09\00:24:22.42
installing security
cameras in our building.
00:24:22.46\00:24:24.39
So these women can come
sleep at our church on occasion.
00:24:24.43\00:24:28.13
But we have to
have security cameras.
00:24:28.16\00:24:29.50
Oh, yes.
00:24:29.53\00:24:30.87
We had to up the
security to do that.
00:24:30.90\00:24:32.63
Because some of the
ladies, bless their hearts
00:24:32.67\00:24:34.00
you know, they need help.
00:24:34.04\00:24:35.37
So we have to be able
to secure things better.
00:24:35.40\00:24:36.87
But these types of
things we're trying to do.
00:24:36.91\00:24:40.41
We're looking at
setting up because we had it,
00:24:40.44\00:24:43.41
I'm trying to
reinstate tutoring program
00:24:43.45\00:24:45.48
after school children program.
00:24:45.51\00:24:46.85
I was going to ask do you
have the GED tutoring program?
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We want to get that
started again at our church.
00:24:48.65\00:24:52.95
Right now we have the daycare
00:24:52.99\00:24:56.62
that is running our church
by Sister Gabriel and Rosita.
00:24:56.66\00:25:01.50
Yes.
00:25:01.53\00:25:02.86
So there are things
00:25:02.90\00:25:04.43
we're looking to
establish in our church
00:25:04.47\00:25:07.24
to make it a 24/7 church.
00:25:07.27\00:25:09.24
Really, open 24 hours a day?
00:25:09.27\00:25:10.87
We want, well I
shouldn't say 24 hours a day,
00:25:10.91\00:25:13.27
but seven days a week.
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Seven days a week.
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There's something going
on at that church to benefit.
00:25:16.04\00:25:18.45
We've put close to
$30,000 into our kitchen,
00:25:18.48\00:25:22.35
tried to commercialize
this kitchen to get license.
00:25:22.38\00:25:23.99
You have
beautiful fellowship hall.
00:25:24.02\00:25:25.72
Because we want to
reach out to veterans,
00:25:25.75\00:25:28.52
which we want to be
able to serve veterans
00:25:28.56\00:25:31.36
in our community
00:25:31.39\00:25:32.73
to come there eat
and have meetings there.
00:25:32.76\00:25:34.43
This is a focus.
00:25:34.46\00:25:36.73
I've been able to
get letters of support
00:25:36.77\00:25:39.03
from our state representative
00:25:39.07\00:25:41.60
from our state, United States,
00:25:41.64\00:25:44.57
I shouldn't say United States,
00:25:44.61\00:25:45.94
but our state senators,
00:25:45.97\00:25:47.31
senators to get
businesses in the community
00:25:47.34\00:25:50.51
to contribute financially
to help us to do these things.
00:25:50.55\00:25:54.12
And we're working
with the City Hall
00:25:54.15\00:25:57.15
in Latham village.
00:25:57.19\00:25:58.52
Yes.
00:25:58.55\00:25:59.89
Also partnering with
us on different things.
00:25:59.92\00:26:01.26
So I'm trying to
use all this information
00:26:01.29\00:26:04.36
and put it into the church.
00:26:04.39\00:26:06.09
As I saw how you can,
00:26:06.13\00:26:08.70
so many resources around us
00:26:08.73\00:26:10.07
that we don't tap
into the way we should,
00:26:10.10\00:26:12.33
to help further the Word of God.
00:26:12.37\00:26:14.00
And we need to do
that. We need to do that.
00:26:14.04\00:26:15.77
We need to value our education,
we need to value our teachers,
00:26:15.80\00:26:20.01
we need to look at that.
00:26:20.04\00:26:21.81
We have a short time left.
00:26:21.84\00:26:23.38
What would you say to someone
00:26:23.41\00:26:24.78
who's thinking about pursuing
education as their career?
00:26:24.81\00:26:28.98
Lean on the Lord.
00:26:29.02\00:26:30.35
Let the Lord
guide and direct you.
00:26:30.39\00:26:31.89
Okay, believe in yourself.
00:26:31.92\00:26:34.52
Have the passion,
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the same passion that
you have to do other things,
00:26:35.92\00:26:38.36
whether it's be riding your bike
00:26:38.39\00:26:39.73
or mountain climbing,
00:26:39.76\00:26:41.10
you have to take
that into the classroom.
00:26:41.13\00:26:42.46
Help the kids to
believe in themselves.
00:26:42.50\00:26:43.93
If you can do that,
00:26:43.97\00:26:45.30
they'll open up to you
00:26:45.33\00:26:46.67
and you can teach them anything.
00:26:46.70\00:26:48.17
Just help them to
believe in themselves.
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You love the Lord. Yes.
00:26:50.44\00:26:52.11
Why you love the Lord?
00:26:52.14\00:26:53.54
Because He loves me.
00:26:53.58\00:26:55.24
He shown me the path
that I should walk in.
00:26:55.28\00:26:57.08
Yes.
00:26:57.11\00:26:58.45
He's given me two
beautiful children
00:26:58.48\00:26:59.98
that I love so much.
00:27:00.02\00:27:02.08
He's helped me to
come from, I was down here.
00:27:02.12\00:27:05.32
And He's put me here.
00:27:05.35\00:27:06.69
Yes, He put me here.
00:27:06.72\00:27:08.06
He put you there. Okay.
00:27:08.09\00:27:09.42
So how can I not love Him?
00:27:09.46\00:27:10.79
How can you not love Him? Okay.
00:27:10.83\00:27:12.16
You know, give my
regards to your beautiful wife,
00:27:12.19\00:27:15.70
and your children.
00:27:15.73\00:27:17.07
And I'm just so happy
you were able to come.
00:27:17.10\00:27:18.90
It's a privilege.
00:27:18.93\00:27:20.44
I want you to know that
00:27:20.47\00:27:21.80
we value you on the
Dare to Dream Network.
00:27:21.84\00:27:25.57
We value education,
00:27:25.61\00:27:27.38
we value the type of programming
00:27:27.41\00:27:29.44
that we can bring to you
00:27:29.48\00:27:30.85
and people like
Mike Terrell, educator
00:27:30.88\00:27:33.98
and still
educating his congregation.
00:27:34.02\00:27:37.35
We have to
maintain relationships.
00:27:37.39\00:27:39.89
And this is something
that we've had for years,
00:27:39.92\00:27:42.69
and we have that bond.
00:27:42.72\00:27:44.53
Have a bond with Jesus,
00:27:44.56\00:27:46.26
and God will allow you to
value yourself and others.
00:27:46.29\00:27:49.90
I'm Dr. Kim, Live To Be Well.
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God bless.
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