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Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlan
and welcome to Live to be Well.
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What is Live to be Well? Mind,
body and soul, but without the
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foundation of Jesus Christ we
would be an empty shell. We need
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to have healthy lives, healthy
living and that comes with a
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relationship with Jesus Christ.
But also there are things that
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we have to endure. Today my
topic is Excepting Change and my
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special guest is Dr. Sharonlyn
Harrison. Hello Girlfriend.
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Hey girl. [What's going
on?] Hanging in there. [I know]
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You know, we share a lot.
We share... We attend the same
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church, we were raised on
the east side of Detroit [that's
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right]. We attended the
same elementary school Thomas
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Elementary. We both earned our
PhDs. We own our own businesses.
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We both have daughters. Your
daughters are eight years apart.
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My daughters are 18 years apart.
And recently you have... We've
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been Minister of Music at
our church. [Right, right]. But
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recently you have suffered
a great loss. You lost your
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husband as I did. We are both
now widows but we're not defined
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by that [That's right]
I want to just allow you
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the opportunity to
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share your testimony because the
last time you were on 3ABN-Dare
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to Dream and I want to say
publicly how much I appreciate
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Jason Bradley for
getting that footage to you.
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Thank you Jason.
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Because I knew how much that
meant to you. When I texted him
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he was on it for you because we
knew how much it meant to you.
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So we're going to turn this over
to you and let you minister to
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us and share whatever you
like about what it has been like
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because the last time you were
here Elder Marvin Harrison was
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sitting right there. [Yes]
So tell us what has happened.
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What happened?
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Well everything is just really
hard because the first time
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doing everything without him
as you know is really, really
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difficult. I miss him every
minute of the day. But I also
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know that the love we shared is
strengthening and his love for
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Jesus Christ. He loved the Lord.
He loved his family and he loved
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his wife. And so when I get
sad that is what strengthens me.
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Just again he started facing
some health challenges around
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January of 2018, just minor
changes in his condition. And in
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May we were facing a lot of
changes in our life. We were
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moving from our home. And you
know how they say that stress
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test says that moving is one of
the top stressors in life. And I
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noticed that he seemed like he
wasn't feeling as well. But he
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was just always a person that
wanted to be the strength of the
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family. And so I asked him,
you know, how are you doing, how
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you doing. Don't worry about the
move. We finally had a purchaser
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for our home. And I said, you
know, you look like you're not
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feeling too well. And he was
like I'm not feeling too good
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but I'm going to feel better and
then I'm going I'm going to get,
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you know, start cleaning and
putting the house in order for
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the move. And I laughed because
after he passed I had to do all
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of it, so I realized how
stressful it was. Because when
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we moved into that house I
actually was out of town, so
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I missed the move the last time.
[Oh my] I was wondering why is
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he so, you know, worked up
about this move. But I saw.
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And just the stress of
that worked on him and his heart
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started acting up. So he was
very, very sick. He suffered a
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massive heart attack. Yes he did
and he was very, very ill the
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last four days of his life.
He just never recovered from it.
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You know Elder Marvin Harrison
was my Sabbath School teacher.
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I always tell that story. I
wouldn't be in Sabbath School
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today if it hadn't been
for Elder Marvin Harrison,
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how
enlightening and engaging and
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he didn't have to bribe us
with candy or anything. We just
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wanted to come because he
was such a great artist. [Yes he
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was] So he would always do
different graphics from the
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Bible characters for
us. [Really?] It was just so
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beautiful and he would have
us draw. I couldn't draw, just
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stick drawing. But
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he had such a heart, such
a kindness and he of course
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mentored Arthur into the
eldership program. [Okay right]
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So you were there for me
and made sure everything was in
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order. Your
daughters? How are they doing?
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They are coping. They don't live
here like your daughters. And so
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I can see that they are having
a tough time. Eden is more
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expressive about her feelings.
Eve, because she's in the
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funeral business, I take a
little bit more of a look at her
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because I think she takes it
differently because it's part of
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what she does every day. [Every
day] So overall I would say they
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are doing very well given the
circumstances but I make sure
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that they talk about their loss
and their grief. The other day
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Eden was saying, Mom, I felt so
funny on the ninth. What's going
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on, of September. I said, Your
dad died on May ninth I said and
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to me, the body remembers even
if the mind's not thinking about
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it She said she just woke up
feeling tense. And so I told her
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I said It's okay, you know. And
when she feels like crying I say
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come on, you know we can cry
together. It's a huge loss for
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us. So. Eden was actually there
when her dad passed and so it
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was the day after her birthday.
Her birthday was May the eighth.
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And he passed on May the ninth.
So just really paying attention
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to both of them. He told
Eve to go ahead; she had a job
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interview in Trinidad. He told
her, you know, go. Don't stay.
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And so she made the decision
to go. So just balancing how one
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feels from being there, how one
feels from not being there and
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making sure that they know that
love, God's love, and God is
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here. God is keeping us. I want
to make sure that they know that
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Yes yes yes. Your church family,
our church family, you know,
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and I heard the remarks just
the support that we received
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during that time. We still
receive. [Yes] Was everything
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that you could hope for from
your church family? They stepped
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up, they were there for you?
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Yes I can't say enough about
my church family including you.
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I often think how you
just looked in my eyes at the
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services and it was just saying
to me, You'll get through this.
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You know, you didn't say a
word You just got in my face and
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looked at me.
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I did. I got on my knees, I
didn't want to get all the way
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down but I knelt down and I just
look at you for that moment.
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I just said to you, I didn't say
anything, I just kind of hugged
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You. You just looked at me.
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And a lot of times
when my days are rough
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I think about things like that,
like that look that you gave me
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just to let me know that it's
a path that's travelable, if
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that's a word. A road that I
can travel when I'm by myself.
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And the church family has just
been awesome. At first I just
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really needed to be near water
so I would go to Belle Isle
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and sit and they would join me.
[They'd find you] Yeah, I'd say
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well come on, I'm going to the
water. [Yes] I'm going to the
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water. And just calling. They
helped me move. I could not have
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moved out of that house
if my church family did it.
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Isn't that beautiful?
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It was so funny because I felt
like I could do it but they sat
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me down and said, You need help.
So on Tuesday... They even wrote
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lists for each day of what I
should do. So my church family
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has been awesome. Our
pastor! [Our pastor] Oh yes.
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You know, and I tried to help
you understand how important
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family is, having that church
family. Find a good church home
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being a blessing. Your husband
introduced you to the Seventh-
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day Adventist message. [He did]
And he was such a strong man
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and a healthy eater [Yes] but I
remember the day he brought you
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to church [Yes] and the ladies
were like, Oop he's off the
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market. And he moved fast
enough, he didn't know what was
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going on Monday,
Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
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And so when we first met
you we embraced you. I just fell
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in love with you and
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[Thank you] your kindness
and your warmth and your voice.
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You have a beautiful voice.
[Thank you] I'm looking forward
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to hearing that voice again.
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Praise the Lord, I'm working
on it. I'm working on it.
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You know, one of the adjustments
I had was living alone. [Yes]
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How's that for you?
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That's rough. It's like,
I'm glad the girls aren't here
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because on bad days I wouldn't
want them to see me, but it's
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so quiet. [Yes] And one of the
things I noticed right away is
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we talked on the phone all day.
And I know like you and Art,
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were just, Arthur was just so
close to you. And so I noticed
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like when I'm in the car I would
talk to him while I'm having
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breakfast. Get in the car,
call him while I'm driving to a
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meeting. Go in the meeting, come
back out the meeting, tell him
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what was going on and so it just
felt so alone. We have a dog
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you know we had [yes] a dog,
Coconut. So Coconut's my charge
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now and she misses him so much
that she's acting... I've had
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some challenges with her. We
have that on the Coconut shelf.
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[All right] So it is quiet
but I find that the quietness is
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it's also comforting and
it makes me get still and just
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listen to my own thoughts
and think about the memories.
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I allow myself and I make myself
get still when the memories
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start flooding even if it brings
tears. A lot of times it brings
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laughter. But I'm getting used
to living alone and I've done it
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before. One of the things I'm
glad I did is I lived alone as a
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young adult. I'm really glad
I did that because I know how to
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take care of myself and
I know how to live alone.
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Right, and I did also. I didn't
live alone on my own, I was in
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dorms and I moved to Connecticut
for a short time but I had two
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or three roommates. I'd gotten
a scholarship to go to school
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there. Coming back home you know
and having Micah. So I've never
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lived alone, you know. This is
the first time I've ever lived
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alone in my life. And so Erin
came home for a little while
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you know it was so comforting
having her home. I cooked
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breakfast for her. I enjoy doing
that. Then one day I went in the
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bathroom and this was out
of order, that was out of order
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I went into her bedroom. I keep
the room. I said, Oh it's time
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for you to go. I can make
it now, I'll be all right.
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You were _.
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Yes. You know I gave her a gap
year this year. Yes, because she
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had a mental breakdown [okay]
and I was down in Huntsville and
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This is healing, this is good.
You know, praise God, and she
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was in the closet with the
covers over her head. And I
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didn't listen to Micah.
Micah said, Mommy she went from
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boarding school to Oakwood
Academy to Oakwood University.
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She lost her father when
she was 16. It's too much Mommy.
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You know I'm regimented, let's
go, let's go, let's go [Yeah you
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are so strong] and I almost lost
our baby. And so I said, I'm
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listening now. And she lost
trust in me because I wasn't
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listening [Yeah] and she was
talking to her Godmother Karen
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Micah but not me. I said, I'm
listening, just give me another
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chance. So she came home
and she was going to stay out at
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Monee's and I was away on
the cruse. And I said when I get
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back, I want you to come home.
And she said, You're not going
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to listen. And I said, I'm
not going to make you go back to
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school. I said, I'm here for
you and now we went to our first
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counseling session two-and-a-
half weeks ago because she left
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three weeks ago. So she had
another one, but she's still in
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Huntsville doing some things,
running her business, getting
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some photos. All this stuff.
[How beautiful] So my whole
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thing is that I had to recognize
we all grieve differently
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[Absolutely] and do you know
someone said to me when I lost
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my brother-in-law and not too
long ago Arthur, I know you're
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still not grieving over Elder
Humphries. And it had only been
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two weeks since he passed or
three weeks? [Someone said that]
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I just couldn't believe
it. I went out of church
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and Arthur came
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behind me. He said, What's wrong
I said, I just want to leave,
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I just want to leave church. He
said, No, no, no, no. No one's
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going to run us out of church.
[Wow] You know, that's their
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ignorance. [Yes] So I had to
make that adjustment, I had to
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accept that adjustment. See
my sister has been widow now
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12 years.
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Oh wow. I remember how painful
that was. That was painful for
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us too.
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Everyone, that was such a shock.
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It was such a shock.
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Let me ask you, did your husband
realize that his health was
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failing quickly
those last four days?
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Yes, he knew, he did. I actually
flew Eden home I want to say one
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thing, I am in counseling
as well. [Oh I'm glad] I called
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immediately and
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started that just for myself
because people get tired of you
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talking about it, you
know, Marvin, Marvin, Marvin.
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I want to talk about him.
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I don't want people to make me
speed through that. If I see a
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flower that reminds me of Marvin
I want to talk about that flower
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that reminds me of Marvin. I was
in D.C. recently and I went to
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some of the museums and I was
talking about Oh Marvin would
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have loved this and loved
that. And I realize people don't
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always want to hear that. So
I went into counseling so I can
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talk him as much as I
want. But what'd you ask me?
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I was talking
about Marvin, Marvin.
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Oh, did he know he was passing?
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Yes he did know because he was
so sick I think he knew more the
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last day. He hoped and we both
hoped. But he was going into
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cardiac arrest so much that I
think he began to realize that
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it was ending and he started
really listening to Wintley
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Phipps, It is Well with My
Soul. The last few hours when he
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decided he that was going to
let go he said to me as I said
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at the funeral, You going to be
all right Sharon? And you know
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I go back over that, I wish
I had just fallen on the floor
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Noooo. But I wanted him to see
strength and comfort in those
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last moments. I said, Yeah I'll
be all right. And he said, I
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want you to take care of
yourself Sharon. And I said Okay
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And I thought about that, I
say Who was taking care of me?
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It was him, that's why. He was
just taking, you know... feeding
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me and getting me ready for
meetings. So it's more difficult
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for me to get to places, even
more now, because he always did
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my setup. Yeah.
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He did, yeah. I remember seeing
him in the, not to interrupt you
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but [that's okay] in the church
parking lot and Arthur would
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walk out, Man you know I'm
going to be here awhile. Now I'm
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waiting on my queen. By the
way I said How are you, where's
00:16:54.88\00:16:58.61
Sharon? In the church. He
said Yeah I got to close up the
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church. Okay. And so he
was sitting right there. Arthur
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would walk around and talk
with him. And just the joy, and
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that's another reason Arthur
stayed in the church. [Really]
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Elder Marvin Harrison, because
he saw the care, because see
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and that's what's missing. We're
missing the mentoring. Elder
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Harrison mentored Arthur [Oh
praise God]. And you know you
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can get involved in this,
you can get involved in this and
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I'll walk you through this. And
then that picture. I don't know
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if you still have it but
I'll send it to you that Elder
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Harrison has his hand on
Arthur's shoulder when Arthur
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was being ordained [Oh my Lord]
and Marvin stood right behind
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him. And I look at that picture
sometime. I'm going to frame
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that picture [Oh praise the
Lord] and I said only the Lord
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knew. You know, but he became
a good elder because of the
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mentoring your husband gave
him. Because Arthur didn't know.
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[Praise God] But this is what
we need today in the church.
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So I think he did know and
he prepared us you know as...
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Did you have Eve on
Face Time or something?
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I didn't because when it
got there... Well she was in...
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actually was in the air. Yes.
We knew that Eve was in the air.
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And Eden... Eden was there. I
had flown her in the day before
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when she said, Is bad. I
said It's bad, you better come
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because she was going to come
on the weekend. I said, It looks
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kind of bad so
you better come on.
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But don't we have that blessed
hope? [Yes] When the trumpet
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shall sound. [Yes] The dead
in Christ shall rise first [Yes]
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and those that remain will
be caught up to meet him. [Yeah]
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You know and I think about...
The other day I was listening to
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We Shall Behold Him and I
was just crying. I was walking
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around the house. And then when
I left here last night and I
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went home and I said, Lord
Arthur would have enjoyed this.
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We would have been bantering.
We would have been going back
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and forth and he would have been
fussing about how many changes
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do I need to pack up? Recently
I had a fire [I didn't know] in
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February and Micah would call
and say you walked in... You
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remember the family room? [Yes]
Where you sat on the floor next
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to me. [Yes] You remember all
the pictures, like a mausoleum
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in there of Arthur. That's what
I call it. Karen said like a
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museum of Arthur. So Micah
called me one day. She said
00:19:33.47\00:19:36.94
Mommy you got to take the
pictures down, it's too hard.
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But it wasn't hard for me. But
it was hard for them. [Really]
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That night I had that fire,
electrical wiring in my home, I
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don't think those pictures would
still be up. Now there's one
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picture of Arthur in that room
because it's all been redone and
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the other part of the house
and painted and everything. And
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there's a picture on the mantle
in the living room of he and I
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but those many, many,
many photos are now packed up
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because when we had the fire
and the smoke, you know, they
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cleaned everything. And I said
do I take all these pictures
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out and put them back up? I took
the shelves down. That's gone
00:20:14.51\00:20:18.85
now. [Okay] And so one picture
and I have a couple in my
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bedroom. But I'm like you, I
don't want to rush through time
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like his office, right here,
and recently I just moved, after
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two-and-a-half years, the
other day I moved his name tag.
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Because it's time. [Yes] And
I went to move a picture and I
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said, You know, I can't do that.
And I put his business cards
00:20:49.88\00:20:53.92
away. Because he's not coming
back. [No] So little bit by
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little bit I'm making changes in
his office. [Yes] And I know he
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would tell me, Kim clean out the
office. Kim. He would say that
00:21:06.39\00:21:12.23
you know. Because when he was
alive he would say why do I got
00:21:12.27\00:21:15.64
all this stuff in my office?
You know this is real Live to be
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Well. This is real. And I loved
Elder Marvin Harrison. [Yes]
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I loved Elder, Ohhh.
Elder Arthur Nowlan. Yes.
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And we had such a bond the four
of us. [Yes] We had a common
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bond and the only thing we
didn't do, we didn't take that
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trip together. [We did not].
We did not. We talked about it.
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[Right] You know with eating
together and fellowshipping
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together. And I remember
the Sabbath he invited Larry to
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church. Larry was downstairs.
And they were sitting at the
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table, this is like a couple
of weeks before he got sick. And
00:22:00.65\00:22:04.75
I was walking past and he said
Excuse me, glad to know you.
00:22:04.79\00:22:09.22
I said, I'm sorry Elder Harrison
and I said, Hi, because Larry
00:22:09.26\00:22:13.40
gave me that contract that
referred me to him and the rest
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is history. I hugged them both
and I gave Elder Harrison the
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biggest hug and I said, This is
my Sabbath School teacher, you
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know. He said, I love you, I
love you. He said, you staying?
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I said No because fellowship
dinners were too hard for me.
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[I remember that] I would
come down, say hello and leave.
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Because I could not do it.
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And I go home and I sit at home
by myself and I would cry, try
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to eat dinner. Sabbaths
were the hardest for me.
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Sabbaths are the hardest for
me because he got sick on the
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Sabbath and he went into
the hospital on the Sabbath.
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Sabbaths are very hard.
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Yes and Friday night we would
sit there and listen to music
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and we would talk about the
Bible and Art would say, All
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right, let's talk about Daniel.
I said, Arthur there are other
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Bible characters in the Bible.
And so he said, The lions came
00:23:09.22\00:23:15.12
and got them and before they
could fall they devoured them.
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I'd say, Yes Arthur. You see
that's why you got to live right
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because God will take out your
whole family. And I said, Can we
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move to Esther. And he said
can we move to something else.
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But every Friday night...
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And then when he
would speak in church he had
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this one phrase, he would say it
and I would look at him, Listen
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to me now. Listen to me now. And
I would mock him in church. And
00:23:37.45\00:23:42.85
he loved the song and Erin
played it on the piano, you know
00:23:42.88\00:23:47.49
and Erin would get angry at him
and so we share something else.
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Because the song that
Erin played at the service was
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Arthur's favorite song, It
is Well With My Soul. [Really]
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And she did an arrangement,
she rearranged the song for him.
00:24:00.87\00:24:05.37
So every Friday night, It is
Well. Mom tell Dad. And I said
00:24:05.41\00:24:13.15
you need to go sit on those
stairs or be on the couch and be
00:24:13.18\00:24:17.25
her audience. And she would just
play that song. And one time in
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Sabbath School, she played the
piano, I was on the organ, he
00:24:21.06\00:24:23.99
sang It is Well. And so that was
the song you played for Marvin.
00:24:24.03\00:24:30.53
Mm-mmm, that was the song
that comforted Marvin, yes. He
00:24:30.57\00:24:32.50
wanted to hear that song. Larry
spent the night with him the
00:24:32.53\00:24:36.97
last night [He did] and then
I came. I was gone for a couple
00:24:37.01\00:24:40.48
hours and came back and they
were just listening to the whole
00:24:40.51\00:24:44.25
Wintley Phipps album and so.
00:24:44.28\00:24:47.08
It's so comforting. I know your
brother-in-law, Darryl Ford.
00:24:47.12\00:24:50.45
[Yeah] He was my producer
for radio. [Oh my goodness]
00:24:50.49\00:24:53.59
When we did radio he
00:24:53.62\00:24:55.29
would do our intro when we first
started doing radio. And that's
00:24:55.32\00:24:59.33
how we met, Minister Darryl Ford
and then I'm a part of a girls'
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room, he's the producer of that.
[Right] And so I did not know
00:25:04.57\00:25:08.47
when you told me. [Yeah] I said
who you related to? He said,
00:25:08.50\00:25:12.57
Elder Marvin Harrison. See and
I talked about this Sharonlyn.
00:25:12.61\00:25:16.78
We sit next to people every week
and we don't know who they are
00:25:16.81\00:25:21.22
what they do. I interviewed
Felicia Hunter. I had no idea
00:25:21.25\00:25:25.69
she was a pediatric nurse.
You knew? [Yes] Where am I?
00:25:25.72\00:25:30.79
Okay. So what can we do
because... Tell them what your
00:25:30.83\00:25:35.93
Ph.D. is in.
00:25:35.96\00:25:37.37
So my Ph.D. is in education with
a specialty in evaluation and
00:25:37.40\00:25:40.40
research. I run an evaluation
and research firm. So we work
00:25:40.44\00:25:45.61
with nonprofits, help them
do grant writing and then we do
00:25:45.64\00:25:49.68
research and evaluation working
at the federal, local and
00:25:49.71\00:25:53.88
foundation
level. It's a blessing.
00:25:53.92\00:25:58.22
You did our assessment
for our church. [Yes] And the
00:25:58.25\00:26:02.12
statistical data you gave us.
[Yes] It took us to a new level.
00:26:02.16\00:26:05.49
Praise God! I love data, yeah.
00:26:05.53\00:26:07.56
I like pushing that button,
you know. Take it out you know
00:26:07.60\00:26:11.53
scratch number one, number two.
We have a minute and 50 seconds
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or so. What can you say to
someone who's experiencing this
00:26:16.91\00:26:21.81
and going through this now?
00:26:21.84\00:26:23.21
Just look at the word of James
when he said, Count it all joy
00:26:23.24\00:26:26.18
when these fiery trials come,
these various trials come before
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you. Know that the testing
of faith produces patience. And
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that's it. I mean, just feeling
when you're going through a
00:26:36.02\00:26:39.39
major change and a hurtful
change you really have to be
00:26:39.43\00:26:43.06
still and allow yourself to feel
the presence of God because you
00:26:43.10\00:26:47.17
will not make it without Jesus
Christ People come and go. Yes
00:26:47.20\00:26:52.21
you need people around you,
family, but it's that personal
00:26:52.24\00:26:56.04
time with the Lord when he's
reminding you how much he loves
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you. And you feel him, just the
presence of him and you go into
00:27:01.32\00:27:04.79
that presence and you're talking
to him and thanking him in the
00:27:04.82\00:27:09.46
midst of such pain.
That's what's so important.
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What's your favorite scripture?
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Ah well I actually like, Do not
be dismayed, do not be afraid.
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It's in Deuteronomy, I don't
remember exactly but I just
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always think about that,
don't be fearful of anything.
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Live to be Well has been
very real today, very emotional.
00:27:30.08\00:27:38.29
I cannot express how much I love
you for coming. When I asked her
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to come, she said, Of course I
will come. And I know it's going
00:27:43.56\00:27:46.73
to help so many people. If
you're going through something
00:27:46.76\00:27:49.60
today know there's a Savior
who's waiting to help you.
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Jesus is real today. And we have
difficulties, we have losses but
00:27:53.67\00:28:00.48
the trumpet is soon to
sound and God is coming.
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Believe God is Love
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I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlan
Live to be Well. God Bless.
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