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Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlan
and welcome to Live to be Well.
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What is Live to be Well? It's
about mind, body and soul but
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without God we are nothing. So
we need full complete wellness
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in him. I can do all things
through Christ who strengthens
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me. Today I'm so excited. Do you
see this big smile on my face?
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I love all my guests but today
I am so blessed to have my new
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pastor with me, Pastor
Dwayne Duncombe. Welcome Pastor.
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Thank you Dr. Kim.
It's good to be with you.
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Oh thank you. I'm so
excited. How have you been?
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I've been doing very well. The
Lord's been good to me and to
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my family.
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Yes. Tell us about your family.
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Well I have been married now
for about 16 years. [16 years?]
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My wife and I,
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Eunice, have been blessed with
five wonderful sons. The oldest
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has just turned 11, the
youngest is two. [My, my] Yeah.
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And then?
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And the Lord's blessed us
with another baby on the way.
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You're going to have you own
star basketball team you know.
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Ah, are you hoping
for that little girl?
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You know, whatever the
Lord sends we'll be happy but if
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it's a girl we'll
be especially thrilled.
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I know. And I think your oldest
D.J.? [D.A.] He is so protective
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over the children. I see
him when he comes down for
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children's story. Well let's
talk about climate of change.
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The reason I asked you to
consider then the topic because
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I have known you since you were
a young man at Peterson Warren
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Academy, a student going to
school with my oldest daughter
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Micah and then working along
side my husband at the Motor
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City Federation, Youth
Federation, as his chaplain
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as he was president. You did
a phenomenal, phenomenal job.
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Then from there you went on
to Oakwood University [that's
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right], earned
your degree in what?
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Bachelors of Arts in
Ministerial Theology.
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Ministerial Theology. Pastor,
when did you know that this is
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what God was calling you to do?
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You know, an interesting story.
I was born on the Island of
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Jamaica and when I was younger
than four, I don't know exactly,
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but at least before I was four
I just knew from that time in
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life the Lord had called me to
preach the gospel. [What?] Yeah
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At four?
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At four at least.
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At least. All right then from
Oakwood University you went on
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to Andrews University
and you earned what degree?
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I earned my Masters of Divinity
degree at Andrews University
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at the seminary there.
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That takes a lot of stamina
and commitment, you know.
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Did you like Greek?
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I did, actually [You did?]
Actually I did. I loved Greek
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and Hebrew. I actually took
a minor in Biblical languages
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undergrad. So I thought it was
fun and still something that I'm
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interested in.
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Do you think you would ever like
to go on the side of becoming
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a professor to teach also?
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I love God's word and I would
love to be able to teach it in
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that environment. That is
something I'm interested in.
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You know the Lord put that
on my heart just to ask you that
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because I see that in you as
your leadership, your leadership
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skills. Let me talk about your
transition. Now tell us about
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your journey out of the seminary
then where did it lead you all
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the way to City Temple?
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Okay. I started pastoral
ministry in 2003. We were
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sponsored out of Oakwood and
at the time the president of the
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conference asked me to wait
a year before going straight to
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the seminary. So I pastored in
Elkhart, Indiana at the Bethany
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Chapel Church. That was our
first church and after a year I
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went into the in-ministry
program. So I was going to
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school at Andrews from a
distance. It was a distance
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learning program. [Oh] And
so after a while, I ended up on
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campus full time for the last
18 months and Eunice and I both
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actually finished out Masters
Degrees at the time I did and
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M. Div (Masters of
Divinity) she did curriculum and
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instruction, a degree in that.
And then after that, we were at
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the Bethany Chapel Church for
about five years, just shy of
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five years. We went down to
southern Illinois which was east
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St. Louis and we also had the
church in Springfield, Illinois,
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Bible Chapel. See Bible Chapel
and New Jerusalem. We were there
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for about two years. Then
after that we moved back up to
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northwest Indiana to Gary,
Indiana at the Mizpah Church.
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We were at Mizpah for three
years. Then after that we were
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Hyde Park Church in Chicago.
We were there for a little over
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four years, four-and-a-half
years and then unexpectedly we
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got the call to return
back to Detroit, to my hometown,
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at City Temple.
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Isn't it something when you see
a classmate and they are your
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members of your congregation?
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Yes, classmates and teachers.
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And teachers?
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My principal is actually in the
congregation so that's something
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I never expected would happen.
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I know. What do you
enjoy about being a pastor?
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I love connecting with people.
I love leading people to Christ
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and I especially love leading
people in discipleship to grow
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in their relationship
with Christ and to not only be
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strengthened individually but
families to be strengthened, for
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the church as a community to be
strengthened. That's something
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that really brings me joy.
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I remember as soon as you
arrived, shortly later, we had
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some members who passed away.
And I saw you in that modality
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and to come into a new
environment and start losing
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your members, and it happens
everywhere. How do you relate
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to your families when you
have to go and minister to them?
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Yes, we have had quite a bit of
loss in our congregation lately
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and it has been difficult
on all of us. When I meet with
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families who have lost loved
ones I seek to really be a part
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of the family, to be a presence,
to offer comfort, to remind them
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that Christ is with them, that
we have hope in Jesus and it's
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actually been a pleasure to be
able to walk alongside families
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as they have been in
that experience. Not that the
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grieving the pleasure but being
able to get to know people and
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to have them to gain strength
from actually being able to find
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hope in Christ.
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Pastor, you're in your 30s and
you have members at different
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churches who are in their, even
their 40s, 50s, 60s on up and
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here's the young man stands in
front of us as our pastor. What
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are some of the challenges
that you face because you're so,
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you're young and we're used to
having someone in their 60s, 70s
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be our pastor or even their 50s.
Here someone comes and says,
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Who are we getting. And I
remember when the word came down
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we were like who, what? But he's
only 20. No way. Pastor Duncombe
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in not 20. Well he's close
to it. And you could just hear
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people panic because they
didn't feel that you had enough
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expertise or experience. And now
it's like we had to see. So what
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have been the challenges of you
being young coming into such, we
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are the mother church [Right]
in our area. That's big. [Yeah]
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So what has it
been like for you?
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You know that was actually one
of my concerns when I first got
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the call. I said, I grew up
there, everyone there knows me
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as a kid. How is that going
to work for me to be the pastor?
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Of course, we know we know the
saying, A prophet has no honor
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in his hometown. But I really
felt strongly convicted this was
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a move that Christ was making,
that Christ was calling me home
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and so that gave me comfort.
Then when I came I actually
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discovered that the people of
God were responsive to the word
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of God, that in spite of my age
that what brought credibility
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and authority was not me or how
old I was, but actually being
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able to hear the word of Christ,
to be convicted by it, to
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respond to it and that
has really gone a long way.
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Incidentally, however, I'm
much older than it seems I am,
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I'll be 40 next year.
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Oh, okay, okay. He'll be 40
he'll be okay 40. All right.
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Listen. You always open your
messages with... I love stories
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because that's what I do for
counseling, storytelling. Now
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you always start
with a story. Why?
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When I was a kid that's what
I loved the most in preaching.
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Any pastor that
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told a story had my attention.
And I think that as people we
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connect with stories. And so in
order to gain the attention of
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people that's what Jesus did.
He used stories. That's why I
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start with a story because
I think it's relatable and it
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opens the mind and the heart to
hear the message that God has.
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I too. Pastor could you share
the story about your son and
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what happened on that particular
trip. Can you share that with
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our audience? That was so funny.
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I still get a lot of flak
for that story when I tell it.
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One day we were headed out from
the house and we packed up every
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one. Our older children were at
school. We were home with three
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the three youngest children.
We had the youngest one still
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in the baby carrier, Douglas.
He had not long ago been born.
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And it just so happened that
as we left the house, we were
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driving down the street, rushing
to get to where we were going
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and about a mile down the road
my second to youngest child said
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Papa, where's Douglas? And we
turned around and as we realized
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that we ran out of the house
in our haste we left the baby by
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the door. So we turned that van
around as quickly as possible.
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Got home and there he was just
sleeping, had no idea that he
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had been left at home.
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And I like the way you brought
it together it your word that
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God covered your child as he
covers us. [That's right] And I
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love it. I noticed too that the
first time I saw you kneel down
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during the altar prayer or at
the end when we open the door to
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the church and you bow down to
the Lord and I was videotaping.
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And I'm like well where did he
go? And there you were kneeling.
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You know, really prostrating
yourself before the Lord.
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I've never seen that. And you're
such a humble, you always have
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been, very humble and never
haughty. You've always been very
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mild mannered, not boisterous at
all from the moment we met you.
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How can a person who does not
understand the word of God begin
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to understand how
to study the Bible?
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Actually I think it's connected
to what you just said about
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humility. The word of God
says that God opposes the proud
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but he gives grace to the humble
I think that when we come to the
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Lord with open hearts and we say
Lord we're just little children
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we don't know and we want you
to show us. When our hearts are
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open before him we can expect
that that's when he is going to
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reveal himself and reveal his
word. And that's the attitude
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that we need when we come to his
word and he will speak to us and
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he will make his word clear
because we're willing to follow
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and be obedient.
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Is there a certain pattern that
we have to read the word in the
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morning or you know we're awful,
we wait till the end of the day.
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I know, Early shall I seek thee
or Seek ye first the kingdom of
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God. But in your opinion as a
pastor is there any set regimen
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that you know we have to follow
or what works for us as an
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individual?
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Well I think we all have
different schedules and modes of
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life, but I think as a general
pattern the best thing to do is
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to seek the Lord the first thing
So when we're waking up our
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hearts should be turning towards
the Lord immediately in praise
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and thanksgiving and prayer.
And I think just like you need
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breakfast in the morning you
need a good dose of God's word
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[yeah] to give you strength
first thing in the morning.
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And I think it's good when we
try to carry that word with us
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throughout the day to meditate
on it, to think on it, to pray
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about it and to return as the
case may be. If we're able to
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stop and pray again in the
day I think that helps. And then
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again in the evening to come
back and to reconnect with the
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Lord in prayer and Bible study.
I think that it just strengthens
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the Christian's life. The more
prayer that we can get, the more
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Bible study the stronger we're
going to be. I remember that
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song we used to sing as kids,
Read your Bible, pray every day
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and you'll grow, grow,
grow. (Reciting together)
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Definitely. Let me tell you
what I remember when you were
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introduced to the church. You
got up to do your sermon and you
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said, I am not Lake Region's man
I am not City Temple's man, I'm
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not even my own man. I belong to
God and once I take care of my
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wife, my children, I'm all yours
City Temple. I mean folk went to
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Amen, did you hear what he just
said. And I'd never heard it put
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that way. So you honor and
respect the responsibility to
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your wife and your
children. Tell us why.
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I believe that that's my first
congregation. I believe that
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that's the first calling that
the Lord has is for me to be
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a faithful and loving husband
and to be a faithful and loving
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father. And so I believe
that the responsibilities for
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ministry are sacred and
important and they're always
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there but I think that if
I'm going to be an authentic
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minister that I have to begin by
really ministering in my family
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and having healthy, whole,
Christ-centered relationships
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first with my wife Eunice
and then the two of us with our
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children, our boys.
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You know when your sons came
up on the pulpit to receive the
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gift from Sister Ganes they were
so obedient. They did not move.
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I said, Are they breathing? They
said thank you. And they see me
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because I'm still trying to you
know get D.A. and have him pray.
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When and how do you implement
that with all your duties, again
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being a father,
balancing all of that?
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First of all, I've got to praise
God for my wife, Eunice. The
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Lord has just given me an
awesome wife. He put us together
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and I think that that's really
where it began because Eunice
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and I, by the grace of God, are
fundamentally on the same page
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about raising our children in
the fear and the admonition of
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the Lord. And I think that that
unity helps us to start early.
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When our children are babies
we try to train them and really
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listening and not being
excessive for instance when they
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are crying or whatever
their moods may be. Giving them
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boundaries, appropriate
boundaries, and helping to
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enforce those boundaries.
I think them to feel safe and
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secure and loved. And we both do
that together. We work on that
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together.
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Together. How do you get you me
time. What do you do for me time
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Pastor?
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Well that is a challenge as you
can imagine with five children
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and a baby on the way and a
congregation. It's always a work
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in progress. But we really try
to put that in the calendar, put
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that in the schedule so that
it's something that's separate
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and put aside. Um sometimes what
has worked for us has been to
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have a date night and in the
early days we'd be able to have
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a date night and go and do a
date night. These days we have a
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lot of at home date nights.
[Date night] And so when we're
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able to get the kids to bed
and so forth, then we may do
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something but it's always
something that we're working on
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and tweaking and as life changes
then how we take care of that
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changes but we seek
to make it a priority.
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Do the older children know that
they're having another sibling?
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They do.
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Are they excited?
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They're very excited and
everybody is putting in their
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bid for a girl. So we have
enough brothers. We hope for
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that this is a sister?
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We'll be praying with you for
that little girl. We were just
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talking to some of the members.
You know, we want to be there
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for Sister Eunice. She's so
sweet and so kind. And we want
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to do a shower for her
(keep it a secret) [okay]
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because this is our first
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Duncombe baby so we get to just
spoil, spoil, spoil. You are
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bringing back our fellowship
dinners, bowling. Why are you
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doing all of this?
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Well, first of all, I thank God
for my church family. What you
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just said reminds me of just
how loving and caring our church
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family has been. Our church
has really just embraced us as a
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part as though we're their
children. [Yes] But yet at the
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same time still being respectful
of the word and so forth. That's
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been a blessing. But the reason
why we have really talked a lot
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about fellowship and time
together and meals and so forth
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is because I believe that the
core of a Christian church is
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first of all the fellowship
we have with God and his Son
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through his Spirit and then
the fellowship that we have with
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each other. I think we don't
have an authentic witness until
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we have authentic fellowship.
I think that comes around the
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word of God, responding to that
in prayer but also spending time
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with each other, building real
relationships that go beyond
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just Happy Sabbath, how are you?
But actually relationships that
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are deep where we're able to
experience the life of Christ
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together, enjoy that together.
I think when that's strong it
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enables us to be able to
strengthen our witness to the
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world to be able when people
come they're able to say these
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are people that really love each
other and care about each other
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and I want to be a part of this
fellowship. So that's why we do
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intentional things to encourage
fellowship in the congregation.
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Let me just say publicly, my
pastor can preach too. My pastor
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is articulate, he uses stories,
he engages, he comes off the
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pulpit and one thing that
I really love is the time for
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fellowship. I like to get up
and go hug everyone. Pastor will
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give us as... he gives us time
to greet each other. And then he
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comes down and greets. And I
know other pastors do that but
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this is my pastor. What about
the importance of child care in
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the church. We have you know our
program for children. We need a
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youth choir Pastor. We have
Hands of Praise. Thank you for
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being so supportive of God's
Hands of Praise and the ministry
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of sign language. But there are
certain ministries that we need.
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We need a program... I talked
earlier to Felicia Hunter about
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this. We need a domestic
violence program Pastor. We need
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a grief program. Do you know I
can start my own grief program.
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Live to be Well. Because there's
nothing. I checked with all the
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churches. Is there anything for
grief. And no there isn't. So I
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said, okay. But I still need
to have someone pour into my
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spirit to help me. [That's
right] I think God for my cousin
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Karen. She pours into me, she
checks me, she says this is what
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we need to do, this is what
we have to do. You know, she was
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with me when... And let
me say my pastor when I told
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him that I was
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diagnosed with breast cancer
the first thing he said to me
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was you need to get a support
group. He prayed with me right
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then and there. He was hurt. And
then we prayed and I told him I
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would let him know what
was going to be going on and my
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sister Rene and my cousin Karen
went with me for the surgery.
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And I kept him abreast of
everything and that prayer line
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is still going 6:30 a.m. Amen.
[Praise God] And also I want to
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publically thank you for your
beautiful card when I lost...
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Brother Nowlan passed away. You
send me such a beautiful card.
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And so how do we implement these
programs, Pastor. We need them.
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We have people in our church
who may not be physically being
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abused, but they are verbally,
mentally and emotionally being
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abuse by their spouses, children
So Pastor, what can we do
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because I'm hungry for this?
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That's right. Well first of all
I just want to make mention your
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husband, Brother Nowlan. He's
someone who loved and nurtured
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and mentored me and he meant
so much to me and we were just
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devastated when he passed and
we're sorry for your loss. Um
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I just wanted to say that.
[Thank you] but as it relates to
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the things that are needed in
the church there really are many
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things that are needed for the
church and many things that are
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needed for the community. Right
now we're trying to build that
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core foundation so that
we can start to add to it the
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the building blocks of
ministries that will be able to
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specifically address the needs
of children and of families and
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of women and of men and those
that are grieving. Um so that is
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something that is coming. I
believe though that those types
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of things are stronger the more
our foundation is stronger in
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Christ. When we have authentic
fellowship with each other then
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out of that flows authentic
ministry, powerful, transforming
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ministry. And so those
are things that are coming up.
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Pretty soon, very shortly in our
church we are in the process now
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of preparing to have fellowship
groups, small groups, where
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people can get together around
the word of God and spend time
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together with eating and
recreation and ministering
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together. Some of those can
be specialized to meet specific
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needs of different demographics.
That's the very next thing
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that's on the docket that we've
been talking about as elders
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and we'll bring it
shortly to the church.
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And that'll be at the church?
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At the church. (Indistinct)
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That's beautiful Pastor. Pastor
do you enjoy... you know because
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ministers enjoy pastoring
but they don't enjoy preaching.
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Do you enjoy preaching?
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Oh, I love preaching. I love
preaching. Probably though to be
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honest the thing I love the most
is teaching. [Teaching] That's
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really where my greatest
interest lies. Matter of fact,
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probably a lot of the time
when I'm preaching a lot of my
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preaching is teaching because
I think that that's really what
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builds up and edifies
the congregation. But I think
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preaching is important.
The gospel has to be declared,
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proclaimed, heralded. And I love
to do that. So preaching and
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teaching but especially
teaching (indistinct) yeah.
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You know what I did when you
came? I've always had a Bible
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Bible, Bible, Bible, highlighter
highlighter, highlighter, but I
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went and got me a notepad with
paper [Wonderful] and I have
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little stickums pack 'em.
I'll show you my Bible Sabbath.
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And then I had my little yellow
stickums and you will take us
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from Joshua to Genesis. I say
where is he now? And when I get
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home I go back and review that
and now I have two or three of
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these, I have my Bible. I have
two or three pens. I have my
00:24:05.01\00:24:08.71
phone when I record. Because
people use their phones and
00:24:08.74\00:24:11.38
things, okay, but I like to
really get into turning those
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pages. And I like to write.
Someone said, You're writing in
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your Bible. [So do I] I
love to write in the column and
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you should see
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in my pages right now here,
Pastor Duncombe, Pastor Duncombe
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Because when I get 90 years old
if Jesus has not come I'll be
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like Pastor Duncombe preached
that day and you know Pastor
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Duncombe preached that day.
My grandmother used to do that.
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My mother used to do that. And
so my mother she said because
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I want to remember who did that
and that date that was in there.
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[Right] So I really appreciate
the fact that you are teaching
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and you are helping us to study
and you're challenging us. See I
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think it's important that we are
challenged as a congregation.
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Now Pastor let me ask you
a question. Now do you enjoy
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gospel music? [I do] You
enjoy gospel music? [I do yes].
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You enjoy the hymns? [I do] You
enjoy the ah, you know during
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the Black History Month we have
the spirituals. So you're well
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rounded.
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I love a range.
[You do?] I love a range.
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So you... because like I said
you're very supportive of Hands
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of Praise and types of music
that I bring both... I bring
00:25:16.28\00:25:19.81
all types of genre to the church
because we got to meet the needs
00:25:19.85\00:25:22.88
of the congregation. So Pastor
let me ask you this. You know,
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when it comes to housekeeping
and chores do you help
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the first lady.
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Yes I have my chores and my
duties and responsibilities.
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Okay, okay. All right
[Absolutely] You do the changing
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of the diapers, you do all of
that? [Absolutely] You will stay
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home with the boys when she
goes out? [Absolutely] That's so
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beautiful. [Absolutely] Yes,
you do love your wife. (I do]
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I see you looking over at her on
Sabbath and she's looks at you
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and she really listens to you.
And the children are sitting
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right there with her and
when they go down for children's
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story... See, train up a child
in the way he should go, when
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he's not old. Pastor, we have
a minute and 54 seconds tell us
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how or guide us to Jesus.
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Well, as we said earlier the
thing that really opens up the
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pathway for us to come to Christ
is that humility. When we come
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before him and we're able to say
Lord I need you. Lord I don't
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have the answers but my heart
is open. That's when we can be
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assured that he's going to show
up. He says, Whoever comes to me
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I will in no wise cast him out.
And so I would encourage anyone
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that's listening today that
if they're in need of a closer
00:26:37.93\00:26:41.60
relationship with Jesus if they
would go to him, that they would
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get on their knees, if they
would open their hearts and as
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they turn to him as their Lord
and their Savior they can be
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assured that he's going to
respond, he's going to come into
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their heart by his Spirit.
He will take away the old heart,
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and give them a new heart
and then live inside of them to
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cause them to grow
to become his children.
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It is beautiful. I cannot thank
my pastor enough. Thank you so
00:27:02.98\00:27:07.69
much Pastor. I want to grow more
I want to learn more and God has
00:27:07.72\00:27:12.66
blessed me with a loving,
compassionate, teaching pastor.
00:27:12.69\00:27:16.70
A pastor who's full of life,
an pastor who enjoys living,
00:27:16.73\00:27:20.74
a pastor who loves his wife and
children. And we're praying for
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that little girl. Amen. But
most importantly we must have a
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closer walk with Christ. [That's
right] We must have a closer
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walk with him because he's
coming soon and he wants to
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leave not one lost. He wants to
save you and I. So find a church
00:27:35.82\00:27:42.19
home, find a place that's
for you that will be a place, a
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happy place. And I feel so good
about being in the City Temple
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Seventh-day Adventist Church.
Until next time this has been
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the best time. Live to be Well.
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I'm Dr. Kim
Logan-Nowlan. God bless!
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