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Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin,
and welcome to Live To Be well.
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What is live to be well?
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Well, mind, body and soul,
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but most of all,
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having God as a
center of our lives.
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Today, I am
blessed to have the topic
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protect to serve.
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And with me,
Chaplain Arthur Berry,
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who is a member of my church,
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and also served as
an elder in my church.
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And then we have
Errol Sir Franklin.
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Welcome to Live To Be
Well. How are you doing?
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Wonderful. Great, how are you?
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Well, listen, I am
excited about this broadcast,
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this program.
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Now I'm going to start
with you, Officer Franklin.
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How long have
you been an officer
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of Detroit Police Department?
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I've been a police
officer for 21 years now.
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And what was the deciding factor
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for you to
become a police officer?
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The deciding factor for
me to become police officer
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was when I was
younger, you know,
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my parents or friends said
don't become a police officer,
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you might get shot and killed.
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And so I was
like, you know what?
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I'm going to live my life.
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I'm, you know,
do what God said do.
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So I ended up being a
police officer at the age of 23.
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And since then, yes.
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So what are some of the
challenges that you faced,
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you know,
dealing with the public,
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you know, the
community in court,
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do you have to do all of that?
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Yes.
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Some of the
challenges are growing up,
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like I work in the
neighborhood that I grew up in,
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so I see some of the
people that I grew up with,
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and they still
respect me and stuff.
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So go back, For
instance, one of the young men,
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he was in my wedding
and I go back on that block,
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used to check upon him,
you know, he was selling drugs.
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So I know he was selling drugs.
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So I tried to
give him a heads up,
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you know, man,
don't be doing that,
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you know,
talking to him, you know,
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trying to minister to
him, but he wouldn't listen.
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So one, one day he
got shot in the head
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and ended up living and
he was blind in one eye.
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So, you know, I
still go back over there
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and talking to him, you
know, him and his mother
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and stuff because
they still stay over there.
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So what ended up
happening a year later,
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you know, he was back
to doing the same thing.
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So got that phone call
such and such been shot,
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this time he didn't make it.
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He didn't make
it. He didn't make it.
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So he went right back
to the same lifestyle.
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Same lifestyle.
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And he didn't make
it, and how old was he,
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do you know how old he was?
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He was at the time 26.
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His early 20s? Yes.
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So that is so unfortunate.
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I hear you
mentioning God and your faith
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and your walk with God.
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You know, how
important is that to you
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as you go out
into the community?
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It's very important
because I'm dealing with
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the community, you
got to have patience
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and that's one of
the big, biggest aspects.
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You know, this
patience because sometimes
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people get in your face,
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you know, they
try to curse you out
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and sometimes you
got to just stand back
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and be patient, sometimes
you got to just listen.
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So can I give you a
little role play here,
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suppose you are
trying to arrest me.
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All right. And I'm
like, you can't arrest me.
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I haven't done anything.
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Who do you think you are,
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thinking you going to arrest me?
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And you're not going to
even think about arresting me,
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you know, I have rights.
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What do you do in a
situation like that?
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Just let them
voice their pain. Really?
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Let them see.
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Yes At the end
of the day though,
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I make sure at
the end of the day,
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I make sure my camera's rolling.
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Turn on my camera.
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So if she does do
anything disorderly,
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as she start cursing
me out, drawing a crowd,
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inciting a riot, and
then that would give me
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probable cause to lock her up.
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Wait a minute.
You all wear cameras?
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Yes. That's a camera.
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Yes.
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So how long have you
been wearing cameras?
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We been wearing
body cameras for,
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I want to say
about four years now.
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Now I heard about
the highway patrols,
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they have the cameras.
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Yes.
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But you have body cameras
and then you push that button
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and it goes right to the station
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and is recording.
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No, it just start
recording in our body.
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Okay.
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Once the light is red,
it'll just start recording.
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And that's your proof that
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you did not ignite that argument
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or that problem?
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Correct. And
also to protect you?
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Yes. My goodness.
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Now I see you have pepper spray,
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you have handcuffs, you have...
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Tasers. Tasers.
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And that taser
will just knock me out.
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Yes, it will. Oh, my goodness.
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It's not a
pleasant feeling. It's not.
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And you know, when
you go out, do you,
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sometime you have to
go when you get home,
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go back out again
on call, back on duty?
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No, because what I do
is community policing.
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So maybe a lot of times
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we might have
events on a weekend.
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So we might have to
come in to cover events like
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they having something
big at a church or something
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or a big block party,
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we'll come and assist them.
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You know what I've noticed?
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I'm going to the grocery
store now, Chaplain Berry,
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I'm going to the
grocery store now.
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And there are police
officers in the grocery store,
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armed police
officers at the front door.
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And it's like, has
it gotten that bad,
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I know we have mass shootings.
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We have issues.
We have problems.
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But to have now police
officers in grocery stores
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and they are
watching, they're walking.
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They might maybe
some who are undercover,
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but these gentlemen
are dressed just like you.
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And one day I looked, I said,
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well maybe they're
just there talking.
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Came back a
couple of weeks later,
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No, they were there
again fully armed everything,
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not checking receipts either.
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All right?
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So that is something
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that is now moving
into all our stores?
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Yes. I explained that what it
is called secondary employment.
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So what we have is
some of our vendors
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like Meyers or Chrysler,
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they'll pay the police
officers to stay there.
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Like they pay our
salary and they cover us.
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Like if
something happened to us,
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they have to pay
insurance on us also
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just in case something
happened while we there.
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So versus security
guards now they're doing,
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using police officers.
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Yes.
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I see because security
guards didn't wear carry arm.
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They weren't armed. Correct.
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But you all are armed. Yep.
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It's a liability
with having securities.
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But if you have
somebody in the law enforcement
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that knows the law
and know when to draw,
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when to use deadly force,
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then you don't have a liability.
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So it's a win-win
situation for the police officer
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who making extra money
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and the company
knowing that it's the law.
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So when you went
through the police academy,
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was it rigorous for you?
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Was it hard? Did you
ever feel like giving up?
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And, I never felt like giving up
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because it was
something I always wanted to do.
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When I got in there, just
stay motivated by my peers
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and stuff and just
kept fighting through,
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even though it was rough,
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you know, I was like, no,
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I want to
become a police officer
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what I want to do so, you know,
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just stay in
motivating, motivated.
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So even, you
know, like when we run,
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we'll do like maybe two
or three miles a day running.
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So we have to call out
cadence like spiritual.
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That's even now.
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Yeah, they still
do that. Yes, yes.
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So, you know,
me being spiritual,
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being a Godly man and you know,
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us calling out
spiritual cadence.
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So, you know, the saying,
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you know, live
right, live right.
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Be safe, be safe, you know,
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and then they
repeat whatever you say.
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So let's put a godly atmosphere
in there through the academy.
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That is wonderful.
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Well, all right,
hold on a minute.
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Chaplin Berry,
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now I learned
something about you today,
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I didn't know you were a
police officer, you know?
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I'm police chaplain, yeah.
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Yeah, police chaplain,
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and you did a marvelous
job in the Word of God.
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You spoke not too
long ago for police,
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our police day at church.
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Is that what we had when we
had all the police officers?
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Yeah, law
enforcement appreciation.
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Law enforcement
appreciation. Yes.
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It was a beautiful program.
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And so then you came back
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and talked about
the prison program.
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I want to do. I want to get
involved with prison ministry.
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Okay. I really do, you know?
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Let's talk about
what you do in your role
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with these gentlemen?
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Okay. Well, I'm a chaplain.
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Actually I'm the
commander of the police centers,
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spiritual commander.
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So I have six chaplains under me
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that we take care of
all the spiritual needs
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of all the officers.
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It's about 150 so officers
there on all three shifts.
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So we just attend
to their needs and we,
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I do roll call,
whatever they need
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from sometimes we marry them,
sometimes we have to bury them.
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So whatever we need to do,
we do everything in between.
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Wow.
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Give me an example of a day,
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you know, of your
life there at the precinct?
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Give me an example?
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Well, it starts
off at roll call,
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You know, you get roll call,
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you hear about
what's going on for the day
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and what
happened the previous day.
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And then we pray
for the officers,
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then we all go out.
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Sometimes I go
out, sometimes I don't,
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I just come in and do roll call,
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but then I walk
around the precinct,
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talk to the officers
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and see what's
going on with them.
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If I notice somebody kind
of standoffish a little bit,
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I go over and talk
to them and try to see
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what's going on with them.
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So when you say
buried, do you also go
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and minister to the family?
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Yes.
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You know, is that
difficult for you?
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It is.
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Especially if you, and
you know these officers
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and there'll be,
and they're killed
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in the line of duty?
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Well, not necessarily
killed in the line of duty,
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but some of them just pass on,
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you know, for other
illnesses and stuff like that.
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Other illnesses too.
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And so, and then when
you minister to the family,
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sometime, you know
what the last officer
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that ministered today,
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the family asked
me to do a service.
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Wow.
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So, you know, when I
don't see you in church
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is that you're busy
ministering to these officers
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or you're in
other churches speaking,
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I know, but you know, and
I know I see you at church
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often, and I know you've been
praying for your mother also.
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Yes, thank you.
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So your role, why
did you want to do this?
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Why? Well, I...
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It's ironic, it's
strange because the precinct
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that I'm now serving,
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I was also locked
up in that precinct
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some years ago.
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So, but as God
called me to do ministry,
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I was reluctant to do it.
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But then after so many
years I said yes to the Lord.
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So I went to ministry
school and then I asked God,
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what did He want me to do?
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And that was to
be a public servant.
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So I started doing
ministry for the hospitals,
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the nursing homes
and stuff like that.
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And then my dean
asked me one day he said,
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I looked at you, and I said,
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I know what kind of
personality you have.
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This kind of ministry
would be good for you.
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So he asked me to sign up
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for the Detroit
Police Department and I did.
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I went to the
academy. Yeah. Okay.
00:11:06.06\00:11:07.40
You kind of ran
over something real fast
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and you minister to
us about it on Sabbath.
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Then you said the same precinct
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where you are,
you were locked up.
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Can you tell us why?
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Well, it's
domestic violence you know,
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going through
some changes in life,
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went through a divorce
and so I had some issues
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and trying to leave a divorce
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and I was trying
to leave that marriage
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and I didn't do it successfully.
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So I got into some
trouble trying to leave
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and I wind up getting locked up.
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And then, so I was
actually in the same precinct.
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So I said, you know, I said,
God must have a sense of humor.
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So, but now I look at
it in a different light.
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I said, God has
something for me to do.
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But I thought if
you have been arrested,
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but you weren't a felon?
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I wasn't a felon.
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So you could
apply to the academy?
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Correct. Okay.
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Now you mentioned
something else in church
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that we had the statistic rates
of women now being arrested.
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Can we talk a
little bit about that?
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Well, women are being
charged with crimes more
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so than in the past.
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You know, we know that
women are being called to do
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with these men to do
these armed robberies
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and other similar crimes.
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And they get locked
up just like the men
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do because they
committed a crime,
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not as much as the
men, but they do have
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a small
increase in their numbers
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of being incarcerated now.
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Are they still building
prisons, Officer Franklin.
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I mean, we have an
issue of population
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being overcrowded?
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No.
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So what they did now,
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all the precincts
used to have jails.
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Yes.
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But they shut them all
down and centralized them down
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at the Detroit Detention Center.
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Really?
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So whenever we get
arrest, we all have to take them
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down to the
Detroit Detention Center.
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Is that right? Yes.
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Okay. Now they're
building a new jail downtown...
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Yes. They're doing that.
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You know, crime
is still on the rise.
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So what can you
say to me as a woman,
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I'm out and about at night,
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I'm out and
about during the day,
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I go to church, I
come to my office.
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How can I protect myself better?
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I say protect yourself better.
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Be honest to make
sure you always be alert.
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Even when pumping gas,
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you know, pump your
gas like this to your back,
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not in front where you're
not alert where you can't see
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nobody coming from behind you.
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So if you're pumping
your gas, just like this,
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just to be, you know,
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make sure nobody's
trying to come up behind you.
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Wait a minute. I'm confused.
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So I'm standing
in front of the pump.
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My car is here, I'm pumping,
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oh, but stand behind.
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Yes.
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Don't stand in front of
it, stand behind the gas tank.
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Yes.
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So if somebody approaches me.
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You'll be able to see him.
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And I'm going to
spray that gasoline on them.
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All right? So, all
right, so be alert.
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Yes. The way I
should pump my gas.
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Yes. Of course
during the day time.
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Yes. During the daytime.
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And I don't know if you
noticed about the green light,
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do you know about
the green light program?
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Yes. Do you know who
told me about the green light?
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Who? My daughter.
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She said, mommy
only go to gas stations
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and stores with the green light.
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And I said, well, what's that?
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She said, that's linked
into the police department.
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Yes. I didn't know that.
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Yes. I just thought it was cute.
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And we monitor it 24
hours. Two four hours?
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Yes.
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And with us,
with the neighborhood
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police officers just
say a run, come out Finkel
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and Grand River gas station.
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We've got a
green light location.
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It's like a high priority.
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So they'll send a squad
car out there immediately.
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So on our phones, we
could pull up the camera
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and see what's
actually going on in there.
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Wow! Yes.
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Well, I'm happy to hear that.
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Now what about, you know,
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places where I
shouldn't go like gas stations,
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they say like on Southfield
and where's this, Southfield?
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Seven mile. Seven mile.
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Don't go places
like off the freeway.
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Yes. Why?
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It's an easy getaway.
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If somebody robbed you,
they jump right on the freeway.
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And they're gone. There you go.
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So it's better to go
to one on, in a community?
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Yes. Like I
said, the green lights.
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The green light.
Green light gas stations.
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Well, there is a green
light I saw one on Southfield
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and Vinco or is it a Six
Mile, they got a green light?
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Yes.
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But it's right
there by the freeway.
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I mean, the thing is, you
know what the cameras and stuff,
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we could get license
plate, get their face.
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So if something do
happen, it's a high...
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Priority.
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Yes, a high priority, and
we will be able to catch them.
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All right.
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What else do you recommend
for me to protect myself
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if I'm alone?
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Have a CPL. I should get one.
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Yes. Tell them
what that is, a CPL?
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A CPL is a pistol license
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where you go take some classes
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and they teach you
how to use a weapon.
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It's just in case
somebody tried to rob you and...
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But as Christians,
should I carry a gun though?
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Should I not have
faith in God to protect me?
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You know, I had that
big argument before also.
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I used to then believe that,
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man, God going to protect me,
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carrying guns in
the church and stuff.
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Is that a sin to carry a gun?
00:16:02.16\00:16:06.33
No, it's not. No.
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No. well,
that's your job though.
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The criminals carry guns.
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The Bible said use wisdom.
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Use wisdom. Pray
and watch His will.
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So I don't know.
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I can somebody coming at
me, I'll just throw my purse,
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take it and I'll
run the other way.
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I took a class like that.
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We had a workshop at one of
my Live To Be Well conference.
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And we had a police
officer to come in and to talk.
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And he told us if
they come at you going,
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you're going in your trunk.
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Your purse is in your trunk.
00:16:35.92\00:16:37.53
He said, throw the purse.
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They're going to
go after the purse.
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And you go the
other way, you know?
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And I remember
when I got attack once
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and my little girl said to me,
00:16:45.77\00:16:47.50
mommy, don't get out of the car.
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But they had on suits and ties.
00:16:49.14\00:16:50.91
They look nice and they
almost beat me to a pulp.
00:16:50.94\00:16:54.41
And the only
thing that saved me,
00:16:54.44\00:16:56.11
I took off my heel
and I beat them so bad.
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And the man said,
she crazy take her purse.
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And it was just, I saw my life
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just flashed in front of me.
00:17:07.06\00:17:08.39
Yes.
00:17:08.42\00:17:09.76
And my mother had told me,
00:17:09.79\00:17:12.63
you know, to cut the
bushes in front of the house.
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This is before I
moved into my home.
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And I didn't listen.
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And I almost died that night
00:17:19.87\00:17:23.71
and that was right after
my brother had passed away.
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And that was just a
few months I was attacked
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and I didn't listen,
out of the mouth of babes.
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So, but I don't feel
comfortable carrying a gun.
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I just don't feel comfortable.
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Yeah. A lot of people don't.
00:17:37.09\00:17:38.42
And then the thing is,
00:17:38.45\00:17:39.79
you know, like you
said, the guy came after you,
00:17:39.82\00:17:41.89
but now what they're doing,
not only are they robbing you,
00:17:41.92\00:17:46.03
there's a lot of
human trafficking.
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A lot of women,
00:17:47.86\00:17:49.20
little girls are
getting snatched up.
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Women my age? Women your age.
00:17:53.90\00:17:56.50
Yup. Younger kids.
00:17:56.54\00:17:58.07
Yeah. A lot of it
don't go on the news.
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The human
trafficking is big in Detroit.
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I knew that, but you
could just be somewhere
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it's going to snatch it
and then they are marketing
00:18:05.25\00:18:08.22
you somewhere else in another
part of the country, you know?
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Here, actually
here, It's right here.
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Yes. You're staying right here.
00:18:14.29\00:18:16.22
And they're using
you here, drugged up
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using you to do whatever.
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And no one can find
you. Yes, Chaplain Berry?
00:18:20.73\00:18:22.46
Also in Canada,
because you have right there,
00:18:22.50\00:18:24.67
another country
right across the water.
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So they're trafficking
back and forth over in Canada,
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very easily.
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How they going to get a
human being over in Canada?
00:18:30.71\00:18:32.11
That's why I say
stay away from vans.
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They snatch you up in a van
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and you can just
cross the border easily.
00:18:35.84\00:18:38.31
So stay away from van.
00:18:38.35\00:18:39.68
So you see a van come up
to you, run, move quickly.
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Be cautious, just be aware. Yes.
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Be aware. Okay.
00:18:47.16\00:18:49.36
Chaplain Berry, let's go back,
00:18:49.39\00:18:50.73
you know, you being
Seventh-day Adventist,
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you know, how did you
become a Seventh-day Adventist?
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Well, my mother was a
Seventh-day Adventist,
00:18:56.03\00:18:57.53
but my grandmother started,
she came from California
00:18:57.57\00:19:01.77
with the message with
the Seventh-day Adventist
00:19:01.80\00:19:03.34
message and
brought it to the family.
00:19:03.37\00:19:05.97
And then my
brother and my mother
00:19:06.01\00:19:08.14
and my grandmother
started going to City Temple.
00:19:08.18\00:19:10.55
And so, it kind of migrated
into the family from there.
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Do your officers know
you're Seventh-day Adventists?
00:19:13.98\00:19:16.25
Yes.
00:19:16.28\00:19:17.75
You know, and are there any
conflicts that you see being,
00:19:17.79\00:19:21.52
you know, as a
Seventh-day Adventist
00:19:21.56\00:19:23.22
Christian police
officer, chaplain?
00:19:23.26\00:19:25.49
No.
00:19:25.53\00:19:26.86
It's sort of like
a doctor, you know,
00:19:26.90\00:19:28.23
you have to go
in and save lives.
00:19:28.26\00:19:29.60
And so that's kind
of how I look at it.
00:19:29.63\00:19:30.97
So when we get that
call, we on 24 hour calls,
00:19:31.00\00:19:33.64
when we get that call,
00:19:33.67\00:19:35.00
especially no one want to
get that call officer down,
00:19:35.04\00:19:37.74
but that's a mandate for
everybody to go to that area,
00:19:37.77\00:19:41.14
go to the hospital.
00:19:41.18\00:19:42.64
But you know, we have to be,
00:19:42.68\00:19:44.01
somebody has to do the work.
00:19:44.05\00:19:45.38
So I think with
what I'm doing now,
00:19:45.41\00:19:48.45
it's nondenominational.
00:19:48.48\00:19:50.02
So we doesn't
look at denomination,
00:19:50.05\00:19:51.39
we just look at manpower,
00:19:51.42\00:19:52.75
who's available to do
the job when it's needed.
00:19:52.79\00:19:55.42
So when you have
someone call you and say,
00:19:55.46\00:19:57.93
we need you here, you know,
00:19:57.96\00:19:59.79
like recently I
had to go to a suicide.
00:19:59.83\00:20:01.96
So when they call me,
when they send that text
00:20:02.00\00:20:03.70
and says, I need you
to go to this address,
00:20:03.73\00:20:05.63
a young man just
committed suicide.
00:20:05.67\00:20:07.54
You have to go.
00:20:07.57\00:20:08.90
Do you have a high risk of
suicide among police officers?
00:20:08.94\00:20:11.61
Very, yes. It is.
00:20:11.64\00:20:14.48
Wow. Okay.
00:20:14.51\00:20:16.34
See, I need to be
sitting next to you in church.
00:20:16.38\00:20:18.61
Now I know all this. Okay.
00:20:18.65\00:20:20.82
You know, you sit
a row in front of me
00:20:20.85\00:20:22.95
on the other end.
00:20:22.98\00:20:24.32
You always have, and
I'm sitting behind you.
00:20:24.35\00:20:26.42
But now that I know, but
do we have enough manpower?
00:20:26.45\00:20:29.59
I see the deacons
at our door at church,
00:20:29.62\00:20:32.59
but is that enough to
protect our whole church?
00:20:32.63\00:20:36.33
No, not really.
00:20:36.36\00:20:37.70
But you know, if something
is better than nothing,
00:20:37.73\00:20:40.14
they need to be more out there
00:20:40.17\00:20:43.14
and they need to
be more identifiable,
00:20:43.17\00:20:45.01
like wearing the
gear or wearing security
00:20:45.04\00:20:48.31
vest or something to let people
know that we do have security.
00:20:48.34\00:20:50.85
They're in plain
clothes, they just walk around.
00:20:50.88\00:20:52.98
They just look like
a regular parishioner.
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Have you brought this to the
attention of our church board?
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You know,
suggested this to our church?
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Well, I have not, but
they did talk about security,
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but it's a conference issue too,
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about different things
that goes on with security.
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So you have to
make sure that you legal
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and that is something
that can go to the conference.
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Well, okay, Officer
Franklin, you're married?
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Yes.
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How do you balance all of this?
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You know and
keeping your wife calm
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and you coming
through that door,
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you know, how do you do it?
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Communicate, it's a partnership.
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This you know,
we have five kids,
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me and my wife, we've
been married 22 years.
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Both of us saved.
That's the main thing.
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Congratulations,
praise the Lord.
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That's the main thing is having
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a relationship with Christ,
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like we got to make sacrifices.
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Like I might work quite
a bit, but she understand
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why we've got five
kids to take care of.
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My wife, she's a
stay at home mom.
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Okay.
00:21:48.60\00:21:49.94
She has a master's
degree in math education.
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She used to be a math teacher.
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But as we had our five children,
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she saw that the
children was being neglected.
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So she was like, no, no.
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Somebody needs to be
home with these kids.
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So she made the
sacrifice giving up her career
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and I work and
do what I have to do
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to support the family.
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That's so beautiful.
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I act as applaud you,
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I always wanted to
be a stay at home mom,
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but it didn't work out.
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Arthur told me, go to work.
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You know, but we didn't
have five children either.
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All right, you know?
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Officer Franklin,
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what happens when
your wife is at home
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and the concerns
that she may have,
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that you are not
responding to her phone calls
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or meeting her, you know,
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like he's supposed to
been here five minutes ago,
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but he wasn't.
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Has that ever happened
between you and your wife?
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Yes, Actually July 2nd, 2004,
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it was coming
from the Taste Fest,
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downtown Detroit.
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So we get a call
bar being held up.
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So me and my
partner, we respond.
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two officers
going to the building.
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So soon as they
go into the building,
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young man starts shooting at us.
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So all I hear is gunshots.
00:23:01.21\00:23:03.21
So I get shot in the
leg, fall to the ground.
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Two bullets
literally flew past my ear.
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So I went and
reached for my gun.
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As I reached for my gun,
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another bullet
hit me in my thumb
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broke my tendon in my finger.
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So I grabbed my gun,
pointed it towards the guy,
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fired two shots at him.
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So after I fired
two shots at the guy,
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I ended up telling my partner.
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I was like, officer
got shot. We got to go.
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So he jumped in the
car, I jumped in the car.
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So I started driving
towards the hospital.
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So he was like, I thought
you said the officer got shot.
00:23:33.68\00:23:35.88
I was like, I
did. I got shot, man.
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So he thought I was playing.
00:23:37.28\00:23:38.68
So he sort of holding my
leg and my thumb bleeding.
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So he's like man, do
you want me to drive?
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So he only had like
probably a year and a half on.
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I was like, man, I'll drive
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because I didn't
want him to panic.
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So drive to pull up to
Detroit Receiving Hospital.
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So as soon as I
pull up to the hospital,
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you know, the
doctors run to a side,
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come on, we got to get them out.
00:23:59.57\00:24:00.97
So I jump out the car
like, no, I'm the one got shot.
00:24:01.00\00:24:04.44
So they ended up
wheeling me in there
00:24:04.47\00:24:06.54
and set me down.
00:24:06.57\00:24:08.64
So everybody make the
hospital, officer got shot.
00:24:08.68\00:24:13.98
So I was like, I'm just
like, well, we got to make
00:24:14.02\00:24:16.79
contact with family
member you want us to notify?
00:24:16.82\00:24:19.52
So I was like give them
the address to my house.
00:24:19.55\00:24:22.76
So they make their
way out to my house.
00:24:22.79\00:24:24.79
So I called my wife on the phone
00:24:24.83\00:24:27.40
and I told her what happened.
00:24:27.43\00:24:30.07
So I ended up being off
of work for like six months,
00:24:30.10\00:24:33.94
had a bullet in my
leg for about three months
00:24:33.97\00:24:36.77
because they couldn't move it.
00:24:36.81\00:24:38.71
And actually I still
can't bend my thumb all the way
00:24:38.74\00:24:42.28
till this day from
being shot in the thumb.
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It was just an eye-opener.
00:24:44.75\00:24:46.08
Let's put it that way.
00:24:46.11\00:24:47.45
So that's why I said,
it's good to know the Lord.
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Is good to know the Lord.
00:24:50.62\00:24:51.95
Because at that time
00:24:51.99\00:24:54.42
three other
officers got shot that year
00:24:54.46\00:24:57.93
and all three of them died.
00:24:57.96\00:24:59.29
And all three
died? All three died.
00:24:59.33\00:25:00.66
Yup.
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All I can say
is live to be well.
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Chaplin Berry, you
worried about your officers,
00:25:04.37\00:25:06.07
aren't you?
00:25:06.10\00:25:07.44
Oh, yes.
00:25:07.47\00:25:08.80
I pray for them every
day, not just the officers,
00:25:08.84\00:25:10.17
the first responders,
00:25:10.21\00:25:11.54
because it's more than
just local police officers.
00:25:11.57\00:25:14.08
It's worldwide, you know?
00:25:14.11\00:25:16.04
What is your major concern,
you know, for your officers?
00:25:16.08\00:25:19.48
What's your major concern?
00:25:19.51\00:25:21.22
Life, you know, safety,
00:25:21.25\00:25:23.55
you know, to be
safety and to be aware
00:25:23.59\00:25:25.19
of their surroundings and
always to watch their six,
00:25:25.22\00:25:27.16
watch their back and you
know, like we told in roll call,
00:25:27.19\00:25:29.89
make sure that you
take care of your partner
00:25:29.92\00:25:32.13
because there are normally
its two individuals out there,
00:25:32.16\00:25:34.46
two or more, It depends
on what assignment they have.
00:25:34.50\00:25:37.13
But sometimes you have
officers out there by themselves
00:25:37.17\00:25:39.73
when they are at Adam
car, that's a single car,
00:25:39.77\00:25:41.90
but you know,
just to be cognizant
00:25:41.94\00:25:43.91
of their surroundings
and not taking any chances,
00:25:43.94\00:25:47.28
that's the
biggest thing, you know,
00:25:47.31\00:25:48.98
follow your first mile,
let that instinct kick in,
00:25:49.01\00:25:51.21
you know, just be aware.
00:25:51.25\00:25:52.58
Be aware.
00:25:52.61\00:25:53.95
How do you find me time?
00:25:53.98\00:25:55.55
What do you do for
me time? Officer Berry?
00:25:55.58\00:25:57.62
For me I go, I work out,
00:25:57.65\00:25:59.55
there's also a
gym in the precinct.
00:25:59.59\00:26:01.26
So I just go to
the gym and do stuff.
00:26:01.29\00:26:03.22
I'm a nature person.
00:26:03.26\00:26:04.59
So I go out for walks,
00:26:04.63\00:26:05.96
the bell out
and stuff like that.
00:26:05.99\00:26:07.33
And just kind of, and
you got to get into the Word.
00:26:07.36\00:26:08.70
So I read the Bible a lot
and let God minister to me,
00:26:08.73\00:26:11.73
so I can be
spiritually grounded.
00:26:11.77\00:26:13.30
So when I do get a call,
00:26:13.34\00:26:15.30
hopefully I never get a
call but when I do get the call,
00:26:15.34\00:26:17.81
I'm spiritually ready for that.
00:26:17.84\00:26:21.14
Me time? Me time.
00:26:21.18\00:26:25.15
Play basketball,
00:26:25.18\00:26:27.52
spend time with
the kids and wife
00:26:27.55\00:26:29.35
when I get a chance to.
00:26:29.38\00:26:30.72
Yes. Yeah.
00:26:30.75\00:26:32.25
So, praying, reading your Word,
00:26:32.29\00:26:36.69
communication.
00:26:36.73\00:26:38.06
Well, I've learned some
things to keep myself safe.
00:26:38.09\00:26:42.46
How I'm going to pump my gas,
00:26:42.50\00:26:44.43
look out for
vans because I never
00:26:44.47\00:26:46.27
thought about that.
00:26:46.30\00:26:47.64
I just didn't think about that.
00:26:47.67\00:26:49.00
And I think that
God is protecting me.
00:26:49.04\00:26:50.74
I pray before I get
in and out of my car,
00:26:50.77\00:26:53.11
but you know, I try to,
I have a handicap license
00:26:53.14\00:26:57.21
and I park close to the
stores going in and out,
00:26:57.25\00:27:00.82
but I'm going to be more aware
00:27:00.85\00:27:02.58
and I'm going to be
and I, and Chaplain Berry,
00:27:02.62\00:27:05.75
I want to talk a
little bit more about,
00:27:05.79\00:27:07.26
you know the impact
of carrying a weapon.
00:27:07.29\00:27:11.49
And I have to
maybe look at my life
00:27:11.53\00:27:14.76
and the protection of my life.
00:27:14.80\00:27:16.90
And so I want to be everything
that God needs me to be.
00:27:16.93\00:27:22.30
I want to thank
you both for coming on.
00:27:22.34\00:27:24.04
You shared a lot of information
and my prayers are with you.
00:27:24.07\00:27:28.24
I thank God for
you and you truly,
00:27:28.28\00:27:31.71
I applaud you
because to protect and serve.
00:27:31.75\00:27:34.12
Because where
would we be without you?
00:27:34.15\00:27:37.19
I want to thank you for viewing
today on Live To Be Well,
00:27:37.22\00:27:39.89
because it's so
important that we recognize
00:27:39.92\00:27:42.56
and that we appreciate.
00:27:42.59\00:27:43.93
If you see a police
officer out and about,
00:27:43.96\00:27:46.53
go and shake their
hand and say, thank you,
00:27:46.56\00:27:49.13
thank you for protecting me.
00:27:49.16\00:27:50.50
I'm going to treat
Chaplain Berry differently
00:27:50.53\00:27:52.93
than and I'm nice
to him anyway, right?
00:27:52.97\00:27:55.07
Yes, you are.
00:27:55.10\00:27:56.74
Just a different respect.
00:27:56.77\00:27:58.21
And I thank God that they
both love God and serve God.
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Remember, protect to
serve and live to be well.
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I'm Dr. Kim, God bless.
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Thank you, officers.
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