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Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin,
and welcome to Live to be Well.
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What is live to be well?
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Mind, body, and soul,
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but without God being
the head of our lives,
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where would we be?
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When I think about a song,
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if it had not been
for the Lord on my side,
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where would I be?
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Today I have two special guests.
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You know, I was
blessed to have a sister
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and her name is
Renee Logan Humphreys,
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love her dearly.
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She's my baby
sister, my only sister.
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And I nurture her
and I care for her.
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She's a school principal.
She lives in Virginia.
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So I don't get a
chance to see her often.
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Then I was blessed
to have my oldest child,
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a baby girl.
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And when she found out that
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Arthur and I were
expecting our second child,
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mommy, you can't have a boy.
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I said, well, I
don't think it's up to me.
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She said, well, please, mommy.
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I want a sister.
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And nine months
later, or eight months later,
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a baby sister came forth.
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So it's something special.
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No offense to
brethren and having sons.
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And I love them too,
because where would we be
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if we wouldn't have children?
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But the bottom line is,
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there's something
special about a sister's love.
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Today I have Annette Green
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and I have Jeanette
Minley, welcome ladies.
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Thank you. Identical twins.
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I love it. Yes.
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You are my first
twins on Live To Be Well.
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I am really excited about this.
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Well, let's talk about
what is it like to be a twin?
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All right.
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Annette, what is
it like being a twin?
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It's awesome.
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It's all that we know.
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We do have other siblings, but
the bond that we have as twins,
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we've overcome so much
because we have that closeness.
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Yeah.
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How do you keep
Jeanette, that closeness?
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Communication. Okay.
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And it's an
unspoken vibe that we have
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and we're very close.
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Very close. Very close.
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So do you guys travel together?
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Do you talk every day,
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spend time
together on the weekends?
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You do that? We do all of it.
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All of it.
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Now, let me ask
you this, growing up,
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tell me some of the things
that you had to go through,
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like in school, did you
matriculate all the way through
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elementary, middle
high school together?
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Did they separate you
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because you
were identical twins?
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Well, we started
school in the 60s.
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So our first class together
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was a preschool
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and they allowed
us to sit together.
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Okay.
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Our first
episode was kindergarten.
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They separated us and
that didn't go very well
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while we were
clinging on to each other.
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My parents had to, you know,
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talk to us and
that was the first time
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that we
actually had to separate.
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They separated you. Right.
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That was a trauma.
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It was a trauma.
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And I don't think we
shared any classes after that.
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No.
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Stayed in the same schools?
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Same schools.
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But no further
interaction in the same classes.
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Right. Different classes.
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I mean, we've
had some situations
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where the teachers
would get us mixed up.
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And I think that
was the first time
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that we realized we were twins.
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My parents had to tag
us. We looked so much alike.
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And you know,
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I had a bracelet
with my name on it.
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My sister had one
with her name on it
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because the
teachers would just pull us
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when we were, you
know, much younger.
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So we've had some interesting
situations in school.
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Could your
siblings tell you apart?
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Our siblings could.
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They could. Yeah, sometimes.
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Sometimes. Yeah.
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Okay.
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Not over the
phone. Not over the phone.
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You sound just
alike over the phone?
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Yes. Yes.
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That's like my sister and
I, we try to fool our children.
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Mom, we know
it's you. All right.
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Or she'll call,
hello, hello, Micah.
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Aunt Renee, what
are you trying to do?
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Right. Right.
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So being in the same
school, see each other.
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Did your friends, you know,
did you have the same friends,
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you had different friends?
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Both.
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We share a lot of our
friends, the majority,
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but we do have
individual relationships.
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Friendships that we
built in different classes.
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Even now our friends at work.
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So, but for the
most part we interact.
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So we share a lot of our friends
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Are you best friends?
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Yes.
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You say it with such
tenacity, yes, without a doubt.
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Without a doubt.
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What do you do when
you do have a conflict?
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What happens then?
How do you handle it?
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Conflict with each other.
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In your
relationship where you disagree.
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Do you ever
disagree? We always disagree.
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You always disagree? Oh, yes.
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But we respect each
other's differences.
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Okay.
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Set some boundaries? Absolutely.
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Okay.
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And so from that, you're able
to enhance the relationship.
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What are some of the challenges
that your parents had with you?
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We were so close that
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if she was scolded, I
would take it personally.
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And so that right
there was a challenge.
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Yeah.
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If we, one got
punished for something,
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you might as
well punish us both.
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Yes.
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It started out early
like that. Oh, yeah, for sure.
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So did you ever
say to yourself, okay,
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you're my sister,
I look just like you,
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you look as like me and you...
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Did you ever say to yourself,
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well, I look a
little different than you.
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Did you ever find any difference
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in the way you looked
as you were growing up?
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Teenagers.
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We that's, when we wanted to
be our own individual person.
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That's where the
struggle happened,
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where I wanted to be me
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and come out of
this dressing alike.
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She wore dresses all the time.
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I just, I had a
little sporty edge
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and that's when we started
to fight for our individuality.
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Right.
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Because our parents,
our grandparents raised us,
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so they wanted to dress us alike
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and we put our foot down.
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However, it
wasn't until graduation.
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Graduation Day
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Graduation day you stopped.
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Yeah. That was the last day.
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That was the last time.
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Okay. Okay.
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And then what happened?
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We had creative.
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We were just
different. Just different.
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Yes. Yeah.
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And we started to
cling on to who we were,
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but it took after
graduation to figure that out.
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And develop our own styles.
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What happened with your teachers
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when they would see
you all because graduation,
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you graduated together?
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Yes.
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You know, and there
you were marching in,
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you came in right
behind one another
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when they called your names?
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No, together. Together.
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We held hands. You held?
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Yes. Yeah.
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Across the stage? That's right.
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No. Yes.
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Oh, my goodness.
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That must have been really
cute to see you all do that.
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It was emotional.
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It was, and it
was important to us
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because we moved from
Michigan to California
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and they gave
us such a hard time
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with our records.
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And so when we
finally graduated,
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it was such a
tremendous feeling.
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An accomplishment.
A big accomplishment.
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It's something we share together
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at the same time.
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I'm getting
emotional thinking about it.
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Yes.
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Because some siblings
graduate before after,
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but never together.
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You know, my mom
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my brother's
name is Kirk, I'm Kim.
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And I said, mom,
were you trying for twins?
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And she said, I think
so, but it didn't work out.
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My brother and I
are 10 months apart.
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And so we are the
same age for like 29 days.
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Okay.
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I'm September the fifth.
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He's October the 19th.
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So when he calls
me, we're the same age.
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So we say, hey, twin.
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Hi, twin.
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And we do that
during those 29 days
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because we are the same age
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and people would
say, how is that possible?
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And I said, you know, my mom
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had me 10 months
after my brother.
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And so she named him
Kirk and here I came Kim.
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And so we, she said
I wanted those twins,
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but she still
gave us those names.
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So in that, and
he and I are close.
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We're very close.
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The relationship, you
know, that you have with God.
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Tell me about that
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as sisters and as an individual,
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your relationship with God?
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So together we've had
some challenges in our past
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as children.
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I mentioned our
grandparents raised us
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and they
instilled, they instilled
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a lot of that in us
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and we grew to understand it.
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We have a strong relationship
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with God
separately and together.
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Amen. Amen.
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Yeah.
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Being able to
growing up and even now,
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do you pray together?
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Oh, yes.
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You should see your
faith. Your faith is right.
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And you're like, lady
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why are you asking me questions,
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you know, my sister
and I are just close
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with God in everything.
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So you all pray
together? Oh, yes.
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Yes. Why do you pray together?
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Strength in numbers.
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And if something's
going on with me in my life,
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my sister comes
with me and we come,
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we go to God
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and we lay it
all out and we pray.
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And it's worked for us.
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It's worked for
our other siblings.
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It's just what we believe in.
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Yes.
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When I first
talked to you, Jeanette,
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so sweet on the phone and
just in your communication,
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couldn't wait to meet you
and that, and just lovely.
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And you could just
feel the presence of God
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in your voice,
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the way you took
time to talk with me,
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your work,
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you're a coordinator
in a mental health clinic.
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You see people day in day
out with mental health illness.
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Yes.
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I am a mental health specialist.
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How do you handle
that as a coordinator
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in your job and being able to,
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you know, utilize
the power of prayer
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and you see the
turmoil in people's lives?
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I have Christ in my life.
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I have that.
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I'm strong when it comes to that
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and I have compassion
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and I see that
people are struggling
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and I see some people
don't have him in their life.
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So I try to be as
understanding as possible.
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And it's like a
guide, it guides me through.
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I pray when I get
to work in the morning.
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I pray when I leave.
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anything, I have,
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I leave at the door and
I pick it right back up.
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Yes, yes.
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You look at the
climate of our world today.
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We can't even walk
into the supermarket
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without seeing
armed police officers now.
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We see what
happened in El Paso, Texas.
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We can go into, I
had gone to a mall
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and just before I got
there I saw the police
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and I said, what's going on?
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They said, there
has been a robbery
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in the store.
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And so right now we're not
letting anyone in the mall.
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We're only keeping
those who are inside.
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I got in my car
and I left, you know,
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what do you see And
how does it impact you
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as sisters the climate of change
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that's happening
in our world today
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with all the mass shootings,
people are losing children,
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people lost siblings, you know.
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And I can't imagine
for me to pick up the phone
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and get a call my
sister was at a store
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and she was shot.
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And I'm like, what?
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I can't even fathom that. Yes.
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But it's happening in
our society, you know?
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And that's why I think
it's so important that I
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talk to my sister.
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I talk to my
loved ones, you know?
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So what do you think, or you see
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is happening in
our society today,
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where people are at heart.
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The Bible said in the last days,
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hearts will wax cold.
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Do we see that happening now?
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Oh, yes. I see it every day.
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And if, I think if I
didn't have that in my life,
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the strength of God in my life,
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I would not be able to
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go about my
daily business at work.
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And we talk to
each other all the time
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about what's
going on in the world
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and how...
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It seems people
don't have the faith
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they should have.
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And people ask me all the time.
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Aren't you scared to work with?
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No, I'm not. No.
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I have no fear
of it. Come on now.
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I have no fear.
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but of power and
sound mind. That is correct.
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Do you a have a
buddy called like
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if something happens to you,
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you check in with each
other at certain times?
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Always. For sure.
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That has been for a long time.
First thing in the morning.
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Check in. That's right.
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Okay.
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We know we're each not
only do we know where each other
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is, we know
where our children are.
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We have a strong
foundation and our children,
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we build that
foundation with them.
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My daughter lived
in Europe for a while,
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and that was hard.
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When she was in
college, she said, mother,
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I'm the only one that
talk to her parent every day.
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I have another one.
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Every day. Every day.
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I said, If I had... You
need to take my cell phone.
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That's right.
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If I had 10 children,
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I would speak to
each one every day.
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And this is the same
thing with her two sons.
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And we
communicate with our children.
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And that's the key
with us is communicating
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with our other siblings.
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Yes.
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And I think the
bond that we have,
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we've given that,
or the kids see that,
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and they have
been with each other
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and their cousins.
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I'm sorry. They're cousins.
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Are your sons twins?
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No. All right.
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So no twins. No twins.
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No.
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Okay, you know,
so that bond is there
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because from generation,
see now this is something
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you're going to
have generational curses
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which I feel are
generational choices
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and then having
that bond with God
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to pass on to our
children and grandchildren.
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See people say, ah,
that's just tradition.
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No, that's a foundation
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that's been, you have
it laid by our families.
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You know, you
think about slavery
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and all that our
ancestors went through.
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Remember they
weren't allowed to read,
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but they could sing the
old folk hymns swing low,
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sweet chariot, coming
forth to carry me home.
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Amen. Amen.
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Amen.
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But those were codes,
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you know, for, so
journey is on her way back.
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You, you know,
you need to make sure
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you're at that pole, that place
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where she is going to get you.
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And I remember hearing a song
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and it was just,
you know, amazing grace,
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you know, how sweet the sound.
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So that same grace that God
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has given you to,
He's protected you.
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Oh, yes.
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Covered you, kept you close.
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Have you ever not spoken?
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You got mad at each
other said, you know, a day?
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Oh, yeah, for sure.
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No. Five minutes.
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Five minutes.
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That's as long as it's gone,
five minutes, it won't last?
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No.
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And if our children find
out we've had a disagreement,
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they call the other one.
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Oh, yes.
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They're in the business.
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Her sons, hey,
just checking on you.
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Why?
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Why? What was going on?
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But they know if
my daughter called me
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and I don't sound the same,
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she'll ask what's going on.
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And even if I
don't share with her
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that I've had a
disagreement with my sister,
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she's calling my sister.
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That's right.
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Is all over,
there's something wrong,
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something not right? Absolutely.
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You know, in the
morning when I wake up,
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I have worship.
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I have
devotion. I talk with God.
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And when if my cell
phone starts going off
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and different
things, I have to tell people
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I need that
moment or I cut it off.
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Some people I had to block,
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I've to literally block
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because if I hear
the phone buzzing,
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it distracts me.
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That's that kind of bond that,
00:17:23.10\00:17:25.41
you know, God wants
us to have with Him,
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that connection that
if we're not connected,
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something is off balance,
00:17:30.88\00:17:33.25
because you
haven't talked to me today.
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You haven't spent time with me.
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I'm your Lord and savior.
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I woke you up this morning,
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started you on
your way, you know?
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So in that
recognizing, now my dear sister,
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you are interior designer.
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I love the color, the patterns,
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you know, and
you've also designed
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rooms or homes for celebrities,
00:17:52.27\00:17:55.00
you know, how...
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Do you have to travel a lot?
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Not yet. Okay.
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I actually retired
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as a logistics
engineer a year ago,
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Tell us what that is?
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Tell us a little bit about that?
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A logistics engineer,
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I worked for
United Parcel Service,
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but I managed outbound
for Ford Motor Company.
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So when the
vehicles leave the plant
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until they get
to the dealerships
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all over the world.
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So that was,
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that was very different
from what I'm doing now.
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I retired early.
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I went back to school years ago,
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got a degree in interior design.
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And just to
back up a little bit,
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when my daughter
was in high school,
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we had started having
conversations about her future.
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You know, what do you want to,
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what profession do
you want to go into?
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And she told me she,
one day she said, mother,
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what do you want to
do when you grow up?
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And I was shocked.
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Wait a minute,
your daughter asked you?
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My daughter asked me,
00:18:55.03\00:18:56.36
what do you want to
do when you grow up?
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She said, what you're doing
now is what you have to do.
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So I started thinking about it.
00:19:02.00\00:19:03.61
I always wanted to
become an interior designer.
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So I started taking steps.
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I went back to
school, got a degree.
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And that's what I'm doing now.
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Proud of you.
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Thank you. I'm proud of you.
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You know, let's
talk about that as women
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let's go there for a second?
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Sure. Why are women stuck?
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Why won't they
make those transitions
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and a paradigm shift?
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What is going on?
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It's not easy.
00:19:28.03\00:19:30.47
We get so
caught up into working.
00:19:30.50\00:19:33.47
I had to step out on faith.
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And it was a lot of prayer,
00:19:36.44\00:19:37.87
a lot of
conversations with my sister.
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I went to school for four years
00:19:40.44\00:19:42.48
and she was there with me,
00:19:42.51\00:19:44.35
you know, it'd be late nights
00:19:44.38\00:19:45.71
and she would
have to help me to bed
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because I was exhausted.
00:19:48.12\00:19:50.49
My goodness. Exhausted.
00:19:50.52\00:19:51.85
So she went through it with me,
00:19:51.89\00:19:53.69
but it's, it takes faith.
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What that term
stepping out on faith.
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It really do.
00:20:01.63\00:20:03.70
My daughter, after she
graduated from college,
00:20:03.73\00:20:06.94
she had to, you
know, she thought
00:20:06.97\00:20:08.50
she was going to
automatically land
00:20:08.54\00:20:11.47
that career, that job.
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And she didn't.
00:20:13.17\00:20:14.51
And I talked her
through that over the years.
00:20:14.54\00:20:17.41
She's just getting
to where she has her,
00:20:17.45\00:20:19.85
what she calls a big girl job.
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Big girl job.
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And I'm doing the
same thing. Oh, yes.
00:20:22.82\00:20:24.39
The same thing.
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But I had a plan
and I did my best.
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Of course, it's
all in God's hands,
00:20:29.69\00:20:32.56
you know, but I did my part.
00:20:32.59\00:20:34.10
Yes.
00:20:34.13\00:20:35.46
My grandmother used
to say, man makes plans,
00:20:35.50\00:20:37.37
but God makes decisions.
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Absolutely.
00:20:38.77\00:20:40.10
So, you know, faith
is a substance of things
00:20:40.14\00:20:42.17
hoped for,
evidence of things not seen.
00:20:42.20\00:20:44.57
But you, he said, I'll
give you desires of your heart,
00:20:44.61\00:20:47.91
set up a plan, write it out,
00:20:47.94\00:20:50.55
get the blue, but
God's blueprint is there,
00:20:50.58\00:20:53.01
but we must turn
it over to the Lord.
00:20:53.05\00:20:55.98
And I agree with you, it's,
00:20:56.02\00:20:57.85
we have to put
everything in God's hands.
00:20:57.89\00:20:59.59
Absolutely.
00:20:59.62\00:21:00.96
You know, I started
getting speech pathology,
00:21:00.99\00:21:02.39
loved it because I had
several speech impediments
00:21:02.42\00:21:05.26
and I wanted to understand more.
00:21:05.29\00:21:07.30
So I went to
school for it, loved it.
00:21:07.33\00:21:10.10
Well, I, somehow
I got transitioned
00:21:10.13\00:21:12.97
into counseling.
00:21:13.00\00:21:15.30
And I was like, well,
00:21:15.34\00:21:16.84
talking to
people, counseling people.
00:21:16.87\00:21:19.64
And so they said, well,
00:21:19.67\00:21:21.01
what do you want to
do your master's in?
00:21:21.04\00:21:22.38
And I said,
00:21:22.41\00:21:23.75
he said, well, do you
want to do your PhD in?
00:21:23.78\00:21:25.28
And I was like, whoever
said, I want to do and all that.
00:21:25.31\00:21:28.48
And next thing I know,
well, we have a dual program.
00:21:28.52\00:21:30.62
I said, what's that?
00:21:30.65\00:21:31.99
Well, you can do
your master's PhD, PhD.
00:21:32.02\00:21:34.66
I said, well, how
many is that? A hundred?
00:21:34.69\00:21:37.43
And next thing I
knew, God shifted me
00:21:37.46\00:21:40.63
because I had my
own personal pain.
00:21:40.66\00:21:42.76
They say, we tend to
pursue degrees that help us
00:21:42.80\00:21:46.07
filter through our pain.
00:21:46.10\00:21:47.90
And so here I am,
00:21:47.94\00:21:49.57
but this is all God
from 3ABN Dare to Dream.
00:21:49.60\00:21:53.94
This is all God.
00:21:53.98\00:21:56.41
Being a therapist is all God,
00:21:56.44\00:21:58.28
you know, but
being I love fashion.
00:21:58.31\00:22:01.15
I love shoes.
00:22:01.18\00:22:02.52
I love, you know, doing all
00:22:02.55\00:22:03.89
because it was given to us
by my grandmother and mother
00:22:03.92\00:22:06.09
and our family.
00:22:06.12\00:22:07.82
But I know interior
design is not my calling,
00:22:07.86\00:22:10.99
but it's my
cousin Karen's calling.
00:22:11.03\00:22:13.40
I just had a fire in my home
00:22:13.43\00:22:15.56
and it went from
wood, nothing to amazing.
00:22:15.60\00:22:20.34
So looking at all
that God has done,
00:22:20.37\00:22:23.47
looking at all that
God is doing for you.
00:22:23.51\00:22:26.98
What's next for you both?
00:22:27.01\00:22:30.38
Well, we're both writing books.
00:22:30.41\00:22:32.85
My book is about our life story,
00:22:32.88\00:22:35.38
our childhood
from trauma to now,
00:22:35.42\00:22:39.09
you know, and how
God brought us out of it.
00:22:39.12\00:22:42.46
He's always been there for us.
00:22:42.49\00:22:44.33
And so we were talking about it.
00:22:44.36\00:22:46.59
It's painful some days
getting those memories,
00:22:46.63\00:22:51.17
but just as I told the twin,
it's going to help somebody.
00:22:51.20\00:22:54.80
It's gonna help somebody.
00:22:54.84\00:22:56.17
Can you talk a little
bit about your trauma?
00:22:56.20\00:22:58.27
What happened?
00:22:58.31\00:22:59.64
Well, my mom was 16.
00:22:59.67\00:23:04.11
She had just turned 16.
00:23:04.15\00:23:05.71
She had given birth to us.
00:23:05.75\00:23:08.05
She wasn't ready.
00:23:08.08\00:23:10.79
And she had a place on
the west side of Detroit.
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And let's back up,
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imagine yourself,
walking down the street
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and something catches your eye
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and you look up
a two family flat
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and you see a
child with her head stuck
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between the railing
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and you go to go get that child,
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but then you try to see
what the child is looking at.
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She's looking at another
child crawling in the street.
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Well, I was the
child on the second floor
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and Annette was the
child in the street.
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And so that was,
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I guess our first
trauma, you know, we were,
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and Annette was
always the go getter.
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So I guess she was
trying to find help.
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We were about 10 months old.
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We weren't quite walking yet.
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And that was the first trauma.
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And I think that's what
we've always had each other.
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We cling to each other.
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And so that was
the beginning of it.
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And these are some of the things
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that I have in
my book, you know.
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So we chose, we always choose
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to walk with God
that keeps us out of,
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you know, we could
have went a different way,
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but it's, we're always winning,
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you know, with a
positive look about things.
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And so that's
some of the things that
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that are in the book.
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You know, you look at
you, you look amazing,
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you know, you look,
your spirit is beautiful.
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I don't see hardiness.
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I see humility. I see kindness.
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I see such a sensitivity,
you know, you're just,
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I feel my heart is so
overwhelmed right now.
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And I just thank God,
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and for you all to
have gone through that.
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Oh, yeah, you know.
It's just one thing.
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Yeah.
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We've been
kidnapped three times.
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What?
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Three different
situations we were in.
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We were taken away from my mom
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and we ended up in
what do you call orphanage?
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DJ Hayley. What?
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You remember she was young.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And so my grandmother adopted us
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and that's how we
ended up with my grandmother,
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but my mom, she
would get into trouble.
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And that's where
the kidnappings came
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because she owed people money
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and they would find
those twins and kidnap us.
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What? Yeah.
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I can remember
going to the store
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for my grandmother once
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and know we were so naive.
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We're just birds,
watching the butterflies
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and the guy grabbed us
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and threw us in the
back of the limousine.
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And we could hear it.
That's when they had payphones.
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We could hear him
talking to my grandmother
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saying, bring the money
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or we're going to get
these twins, you know?
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And so, it's things like that.
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I always tell people
we've been through it.
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I didn't say we were unscathed.
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You know, we've been
through it and we've been,
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you know we have issues,
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but we have God.
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We've been covered a long time.
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A long time,
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while I was on
that second floor,
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and she was
crawling to the street.
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He always had His hands on us.
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Always. That's right.
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And we're thankful.
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And you're
thankful. That's the key.
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You're both very thankful.
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We have a little time left.
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You know, what can you say
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to women out
there who may be envious
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or jealous of their sisters,
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or have hardened their
heart against their sibling?
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What can you say to,
say to somebody just,
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you know, come together?
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Oh, learn from each other.
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We share everything. Yes.
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And we're so thankful
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to have the relationship
that we do as twins.
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It's unique.
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Our twin friends, same thing,
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just this abundance
of love, agape love.
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And we share it with
everybody that we talk to,
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everybody that we interact with,
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everybody that we
touch and for women,
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she talked about the
books that we're writing.
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I'm writing about
the five generations
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of the women in my family.
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And then the lessons learned.
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And that's what we have to
do is learn from each other.
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It's so much. It's so much.
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I mean, I can't believe
we're down to our last minute.
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All I can say
is I thank you both
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for coming on
Live To Be Well, and
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we're going to
keep this relationship.
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Would that be
all right? Oh, yes.
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You know, I would
love to sit down with you
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and hear more
about your experiences
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and what you've gone through.
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I want to thank
them both for being here,
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but I'm hoping
that you gained so much
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by viewing this broadcast today,
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that this program will help you
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to bridge the gap
with your sibling.
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Pick up the phone
right now, call your sister,
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call your
brother, call your parent.
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If they're still
living, you're blessed
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and let them
know it's all right.
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Let's forgive each
other and let's move forward
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because if
you're not living well,
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you can't live to be well.
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I'm Dr. Kim
Logan-Nowlin, and God bless.
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