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Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin,
and welcome to Live to be Well.
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What is live to be well?
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Mind, body, and soul,
a closer walk with God.
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Many months ago,
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Dr. Kim, I was
diagnosed with breast cancer,
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but by my faith
and my trust in God
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and also my
excellent physicians,
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I was able to
overcome breast cancer.
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Today, we're going to talk
to someone not once, but twice
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was an overcomer
against all odds,
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Miss Wanda
Latham. Welcome, Wanda.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you for
coming on Live to be Well.
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Listen, this journey, not once,
but twice with breast cancer.
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Can you tell us your journey?
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The first time I was
diagnosed with breast cancer,
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I was sitting at
home watching TV.
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I have to say the
spirit came over me.
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And the reason I say
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that is because I never do
self-examinations, which is,
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I would not
recommend women not to do that.
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But I didn't, I just didn't,
never did self-examinations.
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I always did
mammograms regularly.
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This particular time
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I did a
self-examination of my breasts
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and I'm like
something isn't right.
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I discovered a lump. Yes.
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At that time I went to my doctor
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and my doctor at
first thought it was a cyst.
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We were all
hoping it was a cyst.
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Come to find out it was a tumor.
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It was a cancerous tumor. Yes.
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At that time I ended up
doing a surgery, a lumpectomy,
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they removed it
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and they removed all the cancer.
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Well, the doctors recommended
chemotherapy and radiation.
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I was totally against
chemotherapy and radiation,
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totally against us.
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So I didn't do it at that time.
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Well, my doctors, I
guess my doctor's orders,
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they did state to me
that my cancer will come back.
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It was a high risk that
my cancer would come back.
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I said,
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"Well, if my cancer comes back,
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the spirit will let
me know and he'll...
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As far as God
will tell you. Yes.
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I will speak to you. Yes.
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And I will be okay.
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I feel like I will be okay.
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Well, about a year later,
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I was starting
to open my business.
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I had retired from my job,
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so I was
starting my own business.
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Airbnb, we had,
we're moving furniture.
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We're doing so
many different things.
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One day I was sitting,
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I was at church
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and for some
reason I felt a lump.
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I'm like, oh, my,
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first thing, my thinking was,
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well, maybe it's for me moving,
I must have pulled a muscle,
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has to be, I pulled a
muscle or something like that.
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So I went to a muscle doctor.
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Doctor said, she said,
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"Well, your muscles are fine.
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I don't know what that is."
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So she sent me
back to my oncologist,
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come to find out
the cancer had returned.
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And at that point
it was third stage.
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Third stage, Wanda?
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Third stage, yes.
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My, my, my.
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So at that point,
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the tumor was
just out of control.
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They had to get
some control of the tumor
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before they could remove it.
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So they suggested chemotherapy.
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Oh, that was kind of heavy
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because I was so, I've always
been so against chemotherapy
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for one reason is because
I've heard so many bad things
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about chemotherapy.
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But at the point where I was,
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there was
nothing else they can do.
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I had to do the chemotherapy
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in order to have
the tumor removed.
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So I agreed to
have the chemotherapy.
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They had to
shrink the tumor. Right.
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And get some type
of control over it.
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Yeah, by shrinking it. Yeah.
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So I've, I went, starts,
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I started September
14th to February 7th.
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Wow. I did chemotherapy.
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It was, I will say this,
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it wasn't as bad
as I thought it was.
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And it could be
because of technology
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and many things
that they've done now,
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as far as chemotherapy.
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So I did the chemotherapy.
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Once I finished
that, at that point,
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the tumor was at a
place where they could do,
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another through
surgery to remove it.
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So my doctor went in,
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she did, she, that
was, this was April.
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She removed the tumor,
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she removed a lot of the tissue.
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So I had to have
breast reconstruction
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because she
removed most of the tissue
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from my right breast,
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which is where the cancer was.
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She removed my lymph nodes
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because the cancer
was in my lymph nodes.
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No, it spreads
to the lymph nodes.
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It spreads to my lymph nodes.
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So she removed my lymph nodes.
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I had to have
reconstruction of my breasts.
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So after that,
then after the healing,
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after I healed I believe
it was in July, July 2nd,
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I started radiation.
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So, but I went through radiation
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for four weeks.
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Four weeks? Yes.
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But I can really say
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the journey was not as
bad as I thought it was.
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You know, it wasn't
as bad as I thought.
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So I went through
radiation and I was,
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I rang the cancer-free bill.
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Yes, I did that.
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I remember, yes.
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I rang the cancer-free bill.
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I believe it was in August.
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I can't remember the exact date.
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I should never forget that date.
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But I can't
remember the exact date.
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So I was cancer-free,
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so, but that was, it
has truly been a journey.
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It has truly
been a journey for me.
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I will say from September,
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almost a year,
almost a year has been,
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truly been a journey for me.
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But God has seen you through?
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Oh, yes.
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It was very
important because when we...
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Myself, when I was
diagnosed with cancer,
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you kind of weed out people.
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So it was, I had
to bring in my family.
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I had to bring them in.
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Some of the
friends, I didn't tell,
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but I had to bring my family.
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And they were,
even though my children,
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I know they were
scared, they were there for me.
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They were there, you know,
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my doctor's
appointments, my surgery,
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after the surgery my radiation.
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And then I also
had close friends
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that I consider family
that were just right there.
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I had a very, very
good support system
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and that's very important.
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That's very important.
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The bottom line here,
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as I talk about Live to be Well,
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and the reason I had
Wanda to come on today was
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that you cannot
ignore symptoms or signs.
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Briefly tell me
about your brother?
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I had a brother Kevin,
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he discovered a
small lump in this area.
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It's a small one.
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It was in this area
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and he ignored it for a year
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over a year.
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And it wasn't until he
had to go to the doctor.
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I think he had the flu
or he had flu like symptoms.
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He went to the doctor
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and at that point
it was fourth-stage.
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It was fourth.
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How old was Kevin
when that happened?
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Kevin was 49 when he died.
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Forty nine?
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How young. Fifty, I'm sorry.
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He was 50 when he died.
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Oh, that's
still young. Yes, yes.
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So what we're trying
to say you, Wanda, is
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don't ignore the symptoms.
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Please, go to the doctor,
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have your regular
mammograms, your checkups.
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Make sure that you understand
what's going on with your body
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because you will
look up it's too late.
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And that's what happens
to not just men, but women
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don't recognize the importance
of having regular checkups.
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And I went for
my regular checkup,
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my regular mammogram.
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I had the 3D
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and they called me back in
for another checkup, Wanda.
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And I said, they said,
they want to do a biopsy.
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I said, "Biopsy?"
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Now my mind went
right to my sister.
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I have cancer in my family.
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I went to my daughter, Micah,
who's a six year survivor now.
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So I said, okay, no problem.
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Because they said in
the past I was cystic.
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My family were cystic,
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but my gynecologist
called me and she was crying.
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And I said, "Don't,
don't, don't cry. Just tell me."
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Right, right.
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She said, "You
have breast cancer."
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And I took a
deep breath. I know.
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You know, and I
didn't even tell,
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my administrator was
Anderson yet had not,
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I called my
daughter, Micah and she said,
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"No, mommy, I
didn't want this for you."
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And her prayer was dear, Lord,
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please don't take my mommy
through what I've been through
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because my daughter
had the same process,
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they had to shrink
her tumor with the chemo,
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then do the surgery,
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then the radiation.
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Right. Praise God.
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I had the
surgery, then radiation.
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Now, you know the medication.
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So we are sending,
we're sounding the trumpet.
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How loud do we
have to say it, Wanda?
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Don't ignore your body.
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Please have regular checkups.
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See your doctor.
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And immediately
he feels something.
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If you see something,
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if something's not
right, go to the doctor.
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I'd like to also
mention after my radiation,
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I felt something.
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Something just
didn't feel right.
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And I know my breasts,
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you know, with
the reconstruction,
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things are a little different,
but it just didn't feel right.
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And I called my doctor.
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She called me
and I had a biopsy,
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come to find out it
was, everything was fine.
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Yes.
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But you have to stay on,
on those types of things.
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You have to, you know,
because if it gets to the point
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where the doctors
can't do anything...
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There's nothing else to be done.
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There's nothing
else that can be done.
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And even with our faith,
praying, studying our Word.
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Yes.
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But I believe with all my heart,
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mind and soul
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that God has given us physicians
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to seek counsel, to
get the necessary help.
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You know, the Bible
says, physician heal thyself.
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Look at what God needs us to do.
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So now then you
have come through that,
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what's next for Wanda?
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Well, right now I'm traveling,
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just doing, trying to
live life to the fullest
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because I think when
you come that close to
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and I have to
say, if you come next.
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When you're
diagnosed twice with cancer,
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you just look at
things a bit differently.
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Yes, you do.
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And my thing now is to be happy,
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be peaceful and just,
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just live life to the fullest.
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You know, I'm 57.
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So I just want to live
my life to the fullest.
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Be thankful... Yes.
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Build my faith up more.
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You know, that's,
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that's some of my goals for life
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is just to live my
life to the fullest,
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travel, be happy,
be peaceful, be kind,
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if, even if I can
talk to another woman,
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if I can
encourage her to get in,
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do the proper screening every,
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if it's six
months, if it's something,
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it's a, if it's a year do that,
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you know, encourage
women to don't wait.
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Yes.
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If you feel
something, move on that.
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Move on. Yes.
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Can I go back to how we met?
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Yes. I can do that.
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Yes, yes. Wanda was my patient.
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Wanda came in to
talk about her concerns
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about her health.
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And at that time I
had not been diagnosed.
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Right.
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And she was very
transparent, very open
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about what she was
going through with me.
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As her
therapist, giving her tools,
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how to cope with her stress,
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her concerns, praying with her,
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helping her
through certain hazards.
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She was faithful to her
God, her family, counseling.
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She was just committed.
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And, but let me tell
you how God used you.
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Here I was counseling you,
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but God was
preparing me through you
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because I had not
talked to anyone else
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about breast cancer.
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God chose you.
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Allowed you to go through.
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I believe it was
everything I have
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to save my life
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because I could have ignored it.
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Yeah.
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And you know what?
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I missed two
appointments for my mammogram
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because I was
busy in this office.
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And I said, "I'll get
to it. I'll get to it."
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And that's what we
do, that's what we do.
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We get so busy.
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And that's one thing
I wanna encourage women.
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If you have an appointment,
don't miss any appointments.
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Yes.
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That's something I always,
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I was very
dedicated to my treatment.
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Yes. Very dedicated to that.
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You know, once I found out,
don't miss any appointments.
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Yes. And I met.
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And Wanda, I said,
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well, I just had my
mammogram a year ago, I'm fine.
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I'll get it in later
on during the summer.
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And then Micah
called, my daughter and says,
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"Mom, did you
have your mammogram?"
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I said, "I got to
schedule for next week."
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"Mom, you
canceled it twice. Go."
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So I made sure I put it on a day
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that I knew I would not miss,
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went in and only,
only God, only God.
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And I mean, within 24 hours,
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they called me
back in and they said,
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we need you back in this office.
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And I... Well, I can't.
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And she said,
"This is not an option."
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Right. We found something.
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Yes. So I dropped everything.
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And I was there that morning.
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And when I was in the car,
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I did like this
in the car, Wanda.
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And I prayed.
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I said, come on,
Kim, get out of the car.
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And it wasn't fear
as much as I don't...
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I'm not prepared
to go through this.
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Right.
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But if I have to
go through it, I will.
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Right.
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Some people may say it was fear.
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I don't, I just
didn't have to...
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I didn't have time in my
life to deal with cancer.
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I understand that.
There was no room for it.
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Yes, exactly.
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I had just retired
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and I was
opening my own business.
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Yes, I know.
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I know, I didn't
have time for it.
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And I said, this is not really
a good time for this right now.
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Right.
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I'm gonna come
back in a few years.
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Yes, yes.
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But here it was.
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And you know, going through it.
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And I remember my
sister and my administrator,
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my cousin, Karen,
was with me doing the...
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My husband's cousin was
with me doing the diagnosis
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and different things
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when I met with the surgeon,
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then when I had the procedure
they were there the surgery
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'cause that's a
very serious surgery.
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Yes.
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And I said, "I love you
all. Thank you so much."
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Next thing I know I was out.
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And then they were
waking me up and they were like
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I said, "No, let me sleep."
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They said, "No,
we're waking you up."
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'Cause I wanna go home.
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But, and then you...
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It was painful, Wanda.
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It is. It's very painful.
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I still have some
tenderness even now.
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They didn't find
it in my lymph nodes,
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but they had to go in to see.
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Do you know, a year
later it is still tender.
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And I do my exercises. Yes.
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Yes.
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So to prevent all that,
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get a regular checkup.
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Yes.
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'Cause there's
nothing like a doctor saying,
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you know, you have cancer,
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but you got to us in
time and it's treatable.
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Yeah. That is
such a good feeling.
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Yes. Such, you know words.
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You know, so I was like, okay.
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So that's the
reason I encourage women,
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you know, right
now from my surgery,...
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I'm still, I
still have swelling.
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Yes.
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And these are things I
still go through, not major,
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but just for them to tell
me, you get to us in time.
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Yes. So we can...
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Your cancer is treatable.
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That's like...
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Those are sweet words.
Yes, they are. Yes, they are.
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So now, you know, with,
you're traveling on business,
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you look great?
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Thank you.
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You feel good? I
feel really good.
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My doctor has me in
the gym three times a week.
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Yes.
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I didn't
understand that at first...
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Yes.
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But I understand it now
that's to keep weight off,
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to keep my mind
lifted, to keep my body strong.
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Yes.
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All that's important. Yes.
00:16:51.17\00:16:52.51
So I stay in a
gym. I feel really good.
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That's good. I feel good.
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Yes. I feel good.
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Yeah, live to be well.
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I tell you it's all
about live to be well.
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Yes.
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And having a perspective of you.
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Yes.
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And I've talked
to women since then,
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you know, I walk in
the breast cancer walk.
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I'm very active,
I'm very involved.
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I'm wearing
pink today for Wanda.
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Yes and myself. Thank you.
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Yes. Yeah.
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That's our color
for breast cancer.
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And did you
know, now this amazed,
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and our viewing
audience may know,
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I had no idea there were
so many colors for cancer.
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I didn't know that either.
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When my husband passed
away, I had pink on the program
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and my daughter says,
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"Mommy, why are you using pink?
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That's for breast cancer."
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I said, I thought
it was for cancer.
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She said, "Mom, go to
the color chart for cancer."
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I said, "What?" Oh, okay.
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I went on the internet
and there was a color chart.
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I didn't know that. Yes.
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I didn't know that. Yes.
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I literally just froze
in my place right there.
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Right.
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So this month is
sickle cell. Okay.
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All right?
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And next month
is domestic violence
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and breast cancer.
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You got purple and
pink and I'm overwhelmed.
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And my husband's cancer
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bile duct cancer was teal green.
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So people will see
me. I love teal green.
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Okay.
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And if you come to my home,
there's pink and teal green
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breast cancer and his cancer.
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Okay.
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And it's just
something I've done.
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And I love the colors. Right.
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The colors are
just beautiful. Right.
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And I went through a fire
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and let me just share
this, going through, losing my,
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my daughter
getting breast cancer,
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my mother passing
away, my building...
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My former building burning down.
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Then my aunt passed away.
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My mother's
sister that was 2015.
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My husband passed away 2016.
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2017, our cousin passed away.
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2018, I get breast cancer.
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2019, a fire in my home.
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Do you hear me?
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You have to
have a walk with God,
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or you will
literally just lose your mind.
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Yes, yes.
00:19:04.34\00:19:05.67
You have to be attached
00:19:05.71\00:19:07.04
to the Spirit of the living God.
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You do.
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And that's...
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I mean, I've been
connected to the Spirit
00:19:11.78\00:19:14.28
since I was a little girl. Yes.
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That's all I know. Yes.
00:19:16.92\00:19:18.25
As soon as
something comes on me,
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go to the spiritual side.
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Yes. I know a lot of times we...
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We're so connected
with the natural...
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Yes.
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But the spiritual comes
first, and then the natural.
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That's right.
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And I've been trained
since a little girl...
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Yes. Go to the spiritual side.
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That's right. And that's what...
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Strength. That's
what got... Yes...
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It gives you so much.
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That's what got me
through my journey,
00:19:38.31\00:19:39.77
the spiritual side.
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Yes.
00:19:41.18\00:19:42.51
It was a
spiritual journey for me.
00:19:42.54\00:19:43.88
I learned so much
about the spiritual side.
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Yes. So I am high on spiritual.
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Yes. Yes. That's first.
00:19:50.75\00:19:52.12
Your connection you got... Yes.
00:19:52.15\00:19:53.49
And then you...
And you shared that.
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Are you speaking at different
00:19:54.89\00:19:56.42
breast cancer rallies
or have you been going
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to the different
events around to study?
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I go to the walk. Yes.
00:20:01.20\00:20:02.53
It was ironic.
00:20:02.56\00:20:03.90
I was speaking to a lady,
she, at the water board...
00:20:03.93\00:20:07.94
Yes. Yes. I was on
the phone with her...
00:20:07.97\00:20:09.50
And I was telling her, you know,
00:20:09.54\00:20:10.87
I, I just went
through breast cancer.
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She was like, oh, you
know, she was just saying that
00:20:12.44\00:20:14.44
she was glad we talked
00:20:14.48\00:20:15.81
because she had breast cancer...
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Wow.
00:20:17.21\00:20:18.55
And she was torn
between the chemotherapy.
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She just didn't
wanna do the chemotherapy.
00:20:20.08\00:20:22.25
So we had a
really good discussion
00:20:22.28\00:20:24.09
and I gave my view on it.
00:20:24.12\00:20:25.45
Yes.
00:20:25.49\00:20:26.82
And through my
experience, I helped her.
00:20:26.86\00:20:29.06
So if I can do that for women,
00:20:29.09\00:20:31.06
that's my main goal
00:20:31.09\00:20:32.83
as a result of this journey
00:20:32.86\00:20:34.30
is to uplift and
motivate and encourage women.
00:20:34.33\00:20:39.47
First of all, to
take care of themselves,
00:20:39.50\00:20:41.04
we have to take
care of ourselves.
00:20:41.07\00:20:42.87
It's about self-care. It is.
00:20:42.90\00:20:45.21
And if you don't
implement the self-care,
00:20:45.24\00:20:48.98
how can you help someone else?
00:20:49.01\00:20:50.38
Exactly.
00:20:50.41\00:20:51.75
And I wanna be able to
be here for my children.
00:20:51.78\00:20:55.68
I wanna be here
to minister here,
00:20:55.72\00:20:59.59
to counsel individuals.
00:20:59.62\00:21:01.42
That's how you and I met. Yes.
00:21:01.46\00:21:03.32
And being able
to take this journey
00:21:03.36\00:21:06.90
into wellbeing and
helping people recognize
00:21:06.93\00:21:09.93
that you don't have to live.
00:21:09.96\00:21:11.30
He has not given
us a spirit of fear,
00:21:11.33\00:21:12.90
but of love,
power, and a sound mind.
00:21:12.93\00:21:15.44
Sound mind means, I'm
gonna have my mammogram.
00:21:15.47\00:21:18.07
Exactly. I'm
gonna have my checkup.
00:21:18.11\00:21:19.84
Exactly. I'm gonna
do what's necessary.
00:21:19.87\00:21:22.11
And you know,
another thing is the doc...
00:21:22.14\00:21:24.71
No, God works
through the doctors.
00:21:24.75\00:21:26.58
Yes. And that...
00:21:26.61\00:21:28.25
And you know, it
took me a while to,
00:21:28.28\00:21:31.02
to get to that point.
00:21:31.05\00:21:32.39
But I started seeing it
as my healing with my journey
00:21:32.42\00:21:36.46
and the healing,
00:21:36.49\00:21:38.19
and then recommending this
00:21:38.23\00:21:39.89
and I came through it
okay, the chemotherapy,
00:21:39.93\00:21:43.20
then the surgery
I came through okay.
00:21:43.23\00:21:44.70
Then the radiation and
I came through it okay.
00:21:44.73\00:21:47.47
So my take from that was,
00:21:47.50\00:21:50.71
God works
through the physicians.
00:21:50.74\00:21:52.07
Yes.
00:21:52.11\00:21:53.44
You know, all this
stuff is put here for us.
00:21:53.48\00:21:54.81
Yes.
00:21:54.84\00:21:56.18
So don't, you know,
don't set up an effect,
00:21:56.21\00:21:57.85
you know, doctors but that...
00:21:57.88\00:21:59.45
You know, that's
here for us. Yes.
00:21:59.48\00:22:01.82
So we have to
take advantage of that.
00:22:01.85\00:22:03.25
And I'm glad I did.
00:22:03.28\00:22:04.62
I applaud you
because even your well...
00:22:04.65\00:22:06.55
Your mental health
wellbeing, seeking out therapy
00:22:06.59\00:22:09.66
because people say, I...
00:22:09.69\00:22:11.26
Let's keep it in house.
00:22:11.29\00:22:12.79
Let's don't tell anyone.
00:22:12.83\00:22:14.30
We don't want our
business outside the unit,
00:22:14.33\00:22:17.20
but the unit is breaking down
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and we need to bring in someone,
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you and I
didn't know each other.
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No, we didn't.
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I was here to be
objective... Yes.
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Listen to your story,
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try to understand,
and provide support.
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Right, exactly.
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And we have to make sure, Wanda,
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that we don't
have negative input
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coming into our space.
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That's very important.
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You know...
That's very important.
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People, you know,
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people who are
feeding into negativity,
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do you know that
causes cancer to come back?
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Right.
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That stress, that
anxiety, depression,
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and then were people
watching on television.
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Right.
00:22:53.17\00:22:54.50
I remember when I
first started in therapy
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the HIV virus was
very, very popular
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and I would go and
visit the different patients
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'cause nobody
wanted to go visit them.
00:23:04.55\00:23:06.55
So I took the
assignment... Okay.
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And I worked for an agency
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called Children's
Center of Wayne County,
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but still nobody wanted
to work in that department
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of AIDS and HIV.
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And whether it
was blood transfusion
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or another reason.
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And I remember just reaching out
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and hugging individual.
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Knowledge, or
the lack of knowledge
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will destroy your...
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In a
relationship with your family.
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Yes. You can't touch him.
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You'll get AIDS.
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No, you can't
get AIDS by touching.
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Right.
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You know, oh,
don't touch that person.
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You'll get breast cancer.
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And I'm like, you
need to have knowledge
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or the stigma that,
oh, you have breast cancer.
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Oh, you're half a woman
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because you
don't have a breast...
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Yes. Or you've lost it.
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You've lost both your breasts.
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I'm still a full woman. Exactly.
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It's my mind that
I'm working with here.
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Yes.
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And yes, that's issue
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that I have to
deal with every day.
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So I applaud you for seeking
mental health counseling...
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Oh, yes.
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Seeking physical
counseling from your physician.
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Oh, yes.
00:24:16.69\00:24:18.02
And now you're on your
way out of town going to...
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Where are you heading now?
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I'm headed to the
Southern part of Bahamas,
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not the Northern part...
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Northern part,
the Southern part...
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Yeah, the
Southern part of Bahamas...
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Okay.
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There was destroy, destruction
in the Northern part...
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All right. We went
to the Southern part.
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So you be safe over
there and have a good time.
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Thank you.
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You know, what's your
favorite Bible scripture?
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Psalms 23. Yes.
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"The Lord is my
shepherd. I shall not want."
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Yes.
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And many day I
had to quote that...
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Yes.
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I had to quote that for me,
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to get me through the chemo
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and the radiation and
the surgery, you know.
00:24:52.25\00:24:56.16
I don't have to
walk for anything
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because God is there for me.
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He's there, He's there.
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So that's my favorite scripture.
00:25:01.76\00:25:05.63
Yes.
00:25:05.67\00:25:07.00
"The Lord is my
shepherd," Psalms 23.
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I have another
favorite and it's Psalms 34: 1.
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"I will bless the
Lord at all times.
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And his praise shall
continue being in my mouth.
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Yes.
00:25:18.08\00:25:19.41
So while I'm praising you,
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I can't curse
you at the same time.
00:25:20.82\00:25:22.52
No, no.
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I can't doubt the power
of God and what God can do.
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So I'm going to bless
Him, I'm going to praise Him.
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The Bible said He inhabits those
00:25:30.13\00:25:31.59
that praise Him.
00:25:31.63\00:25:32.96
And I thank Him
for bringing this on
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because we serve a God
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who knows what He's doing.
00:25:37.40\00:25:38.73
Right.
00:25:38.77\00:25:40.10
He gives us wake up calls. Yes.
00:25:40.14\00:25:41.60
You know, I had
the nerve to say,
00:25:41.64\00:25:43.54
you know, when my
house was on fire,
00:25:43.57\00:25:46.01
I just said, you know what?
00:25:46.04\00:25:47.64
What more do you want?
00:25:47.68\00:25:49.88
What more do you
want from me, God?
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I've given you so much.
00:25:52.65\00:25:55.35
You've given me breast cancer.
00:25:55.38\00:25:57.05
My mother, my
father, my husband,
00:25:57.09\00:25:58.99
my daughter, my aunt.
00:25:59.02\00:26:00.99
What more do you want?
00:26:01.02\00:26:02.36
My building is burnt.
00:26:02.39\00:26:03.89
And you know what I
heard Him say to me?
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I want more... Okay.
00:26:06.29\00:26:08.06
I need more because
what's about to come.
00:26:08.10\00:26:12.17
You know, He
said your latter days
00:26:12.20\00:26:13.54
be better than your former days,
00:26:13.57\00:26:14.94
but you have not seen,
00:26:14.97\00:26:17.04
what's going to
come in these last days
00:26:17.07\00:26:19.47
and I need to gird you up.
00:26:19.51\00:26:21.78
I believe that.
You've got be strong.
00:26:21.81\00:26:23.51
Yes, I believe that.
00:26:23.55\00:26:24.88
And you can't be, you
know, falling apart on Me,
00:26:24.91\00:26:27.68
'cause He needs us,
Wanda, to finish the work.
00:26:27.72\00:26:30.92
Yes. I believe that.
00:26:30.95\00:26:32.29
So He allowed us
to go through this
00:26:32.32\00:26:33.86
and much more
00:26:33.89\00:26:35.42
so that we'll be
able to be His vessels
00:26:35.46\00:26:37.99
to tell others.
00:26:38.03\00:26:39.36
Number one, God loves you.
00:26:39.39\00:26:41.33
Come to Christ
00:26:41.36\00:26:42.70
and then please
don't ignore your body.
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Please don't. Please don't.
00:26:45.53\00:26:47.14
Take care of your
body. That's my main thing.
00:26:47.17\00:26:48.87
Don't ignore anything, don't...
00:26:48.90\00:26:50.94
Even if you
don't even know... Yes.
00:26:50.97\00:26:52.74
If you think
maybe this is not it,
00:26:52.77\00:26:54.44
don't question it.
00:26:54.48\00:26:55.81
Yes.
00:26:55.84\00:26:57.18
Just go and go to
your doctor and get tested.
00:26:57.21\00:26:58.55
Yes.
00:26:58.58\00:26:59.91
You know, you
have to, you have to.
00:26:59.95\00:27:01.32
You have to, that's just,
00:27:01.35\00:27:02.68
this is non-negotiable say that.
00:27:02.72\00:27:04.05
It is. It is non-negotiable.
00:27:04.09\00:27:05.65
It's not open for discussion.
00:27:05.69\00:27:07.02
No, it's not. No, it's not.
00:27:07.06\00:27:08.39
You have to go. Yeah.
00:27:08.42\00:27:09.76
Wanda, I wanna thank you so much
00:27:09.79\00:27:11.26
for being here today.
00:27:11.29\00:27:12.73
And I'm so happy for you
and being breast cancer free.
00:27:12.76\00:27:16.70
Yes, we both are. Oh, yes.
00:27:16.73\00:27:19.20
I wanna say to my viewers that
00:27:19.23\00:27:21.90
this was not easy
for Wanda, this journey,
00:27:21.94\00:27:24.17
and I've been with
her on this journey.
00:27:24.21\00:27:27.08
And so recognizing
00:27:27.11\00:27:29.08
how important it is
for you to get tested,
00:27:29.11\00:27:32.05
to take care of
yourself, men and women,
00:27:32.08\00:27:34.42
even your children,
00:27:34.45\00:27:35.78
taking them to their physicians,
00:27:35.82\00:27:37.25
their pediatricians,
00:27:37.29\00:27:38.99
take time to take care of you
00:27:39.02\00:27:41.09
because we need you.
00:27:41.12\00:27:43.02
We need you to live to be well
and be healthy and be strong.
00:27:43.06\00:27:46.43
The Bible says,
00:27:46.46\00:27:47.80
"Seek ye first
the kingdom of God
00:27:47.83\00:27:49.16
and all things
shall be added unto thee."
00:27:49.20\00:27:52.10
You have to seek
God's will over your life
00:27:52.13\00:27:54.87
so that you will
be here to serve Him
00:27:54.90\00:27:57.94
and be a conduit for Him.
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Thank you for joining
me on Live to be Well.
00:28:00.28\00:28:02.54
I'm Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin.
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God bless.
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