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Hi, I'm Dr. Kim Logan Nowlin,
and welcome to Live to be Well.
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What is live to be well?
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It's about us having wellness,
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feeling good about ourselves
and treasuring ourselves.
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Today our topic,
special treasure.
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I want to welcome
this beautiful couple
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Roy and Lisia Sadler.
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Welcome to Live to be Well.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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We're so happy to be
here. We are really excited.
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I remember the
first time I met you.
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You were at City Temple
Seventh-day Adventist Church
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here in Detroit.
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And you were
talking with my husband
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and one of you
recognized him on the pulpit
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from the Dare to Dream Network.
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Lisia, you did.
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And then you were like,
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his wife has to be somewhere
around here, all right?
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And Arthur signaled
me and I met you all.
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You were so kind, so gracious
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and even, Lisia, you
came over to the home
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and sang with Arthur,
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you know, before he passed,
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it was just so lovely
of you to take the time.
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So I wanna talk
about a special treasure.
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I've had a special treasure
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and I know what it
felt like, and I still do,
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but you all have each other.
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Roy, why is Lisia so special?
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And why is she that treasure?
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I think it's
because I like reality.
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You know, a lot of people,
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they don't mind
people being pretentious
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then they have to work through
layers and things like that.
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One of the really
cool things about her
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that made her a treasure for me
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is that she
always set me straight,
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if I was doing something
that didn't make sense.
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I appreciated the correction.
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I appreciated someone
who could let me know,
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you know, lot right.
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Oh, right. Lot right.
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Was this in the dating period?
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Yeah. This is right.
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Wow. Okay. So I appreciate it.
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That's something I wanted.
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I didn't wanna just
be all over the place.
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So I treasure that a
lot. You treasure that a lot?
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Lisia, why is Roy
a treasure to you?
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He's a treasure to me because
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I feel like he takes
the time to understand me,
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to care about what I'm thinking,
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what I'm doing,
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what I'm putting inside my body,
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if I'm resting.
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And we do that for
each other, you know?
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I check, did you
drink enough water today?
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He does the same thing for me.
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And I know that
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there are other people out there
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that probably would
make great husbands,
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but Roy is the best
choice in a husband for me.
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And a treasurer is something
that's very, very special.
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It's something that's rare.
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And the relationship
I think that we have
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with each other is rare.
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And so that's
why I treasure him.
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I wouldn't... I
couldn't think of anyone else
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that I would want to
be with other than him.
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Yes.
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Recently you were
at my home church,
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you are at special music
and you were singing this song
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and I was
trying to videotape you
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at the same time watching Roy.
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And it just
brought tears to his eyes,
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the way he looked at you,
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the way he smiled, the
way he was just so blessed.
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You ministered to
him sitting there.
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Let's talk about, we see
divorce in our communities
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and our Christian communities,
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but we're seeing it
in the Adventist Church.
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Roy, what is happening?
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I think it's an
overall reflection
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of what's going on in society.
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And people think
that the church is immune,
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but it's not.
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And I think it's from
letting down our guard
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and straying away
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from what we were
brought up with, you know?
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I remember
visiting some of my mates
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from high school and college
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and, you know, you
wanna approach them
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and talk and catch up,
haven't spoken 10, 15, 20 years
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or whatever the case may be.
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And you get timid
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because you don't
want to broach church.
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You know, you don't know
if they're still active or,
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you know, so it
becomes this kind of thing.
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You know, you don't know what...
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so I think that's just
a reflection of society
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and we need to
work on that I think,
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you know, to re-church our
companions and our cohorts,
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the people that we
came together with, so...
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What do you think, Lisia,
is happening in our family,
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because you just
celebrated 28 years together?
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Yes. Praise the Lord.
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But we're not seeing that
any more in our young couples,
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so what do you see?
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I see a lot.
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I see couples
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not willing to work at marriage.
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I think that media television
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sometimes, books,
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whatever it is that's out there
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has people having
a view of marriage
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as something that they
can just get in and out of.
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If you don't like
what someone's doing,
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or saying, or not doing,
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you can just get out of
it and marry someone else.
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And the way Roy and I
were brought up was that
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when you make a vow, it's a vow.
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It's something that you
mean to carry through with.
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And it's your
word and your bond.
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You said that you
would be with this person
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till death do you part.
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That's serious.
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You know, when we
went into our marriage,
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it was till death do us part.
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And it wasn't easy,
the first three years,
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five years, seven
years, eight years
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after year eight or nine
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is when we really
started to really gel.
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And we could have easily
gotten divorced our first,
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second or third year.
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I remember going home once,
and my mom sent me right back.
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She sent you back?
She sent me right back.
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So, you know, and it wasn't that
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I was thinking of divorce.
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But if I didn't
have that foundation
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that this is
till one of us passes,
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it would have
been easy to just quit
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and move on to someone
else and move on to someone else
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and keep moving on.
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So it really takes
having that commitment
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that I gave my word
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that this is
something I'm gonna do,
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and I'm gonna do it.
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And stick with it
mentality. Stick with it, yeah.
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You know, you both, tell
me where you're from, Lisia.
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Where were you born?
Port of Spain, trini.
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You were gonna say,
all right, Trinidad.
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Trinidad, trini to the bone.
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Trini to the bone. All right.
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And where were you from?
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I'm from Jamaica, West Indies.
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Now, where did you all meet,
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you're on two
different islands here?
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Where did, how did you all meet?
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Well, we both came here
when we were really young.
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Yes.
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I came here
when I was about five
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and I was, I had left Andrews.
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I graduated from Andrews
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and I was in
Huntsville doing graduate work
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and I liked to
always blow off steam.
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I grew up roller
skating a lot. Yes.
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You know, and so
that was one of the ways
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I blew off steam after exams
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and met her at the
roller skating rink.
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In Huntsville?
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An open roller skating
rink on a Saturday night.
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Are you kidding me?
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Yeah. Yeah, a true story.
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Now Andrews University
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again is one of our Seventh-day
Adventist universities
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that is in
Berrien Springs, Michigan
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and Oakwood University
is in Huntsville, Alabama,
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but both a Seventh-day
Adventist training institution,
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educational institution.
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So did you bump into her?
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Almost.
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So what was it that
attracted you to her?
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Well, that's really
interesting that you ask.
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I'm just a kind of
a geeky friendly guy
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who will talk to anybody.
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And I was just being friendly.
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Was she nice?
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I'll let her take that one.
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So he kept trying to
talk to me that evening
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and I wasn't feeling that well.
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I really wanted to go home
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and he kept
trying to talk to me.
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And so, I don't know
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if you've ever
been in Oakwood rink,
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but they have
this cable wire drums
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with carpet on it.
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So he was literally
following me around.
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Where you stalking her?
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Okay. We're not
gonna say stalking, okay?
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Maybe a little.
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It was a good meeting.
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So did you give
your number that night?
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No, actually one
of my girlfriends
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invited him to my
home the next day,
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because I was having a barbecue
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and he dropped
us home that night,
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but my girlfriend invited him,
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but he ended up in the
kitchen with me all afternoon
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and it's been
like that ever since.
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Isn't it, I need some
tissue, that's so beautiful.
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That is really
beautiful and the commitment.
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All right.
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So let's look at tools,
communication, compromise.
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What kind of tools do
you use in your marriage?
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I would say our togetherness.
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We do a lot of
little things together.
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Okay, quality time?
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Yeah.
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Outside, working
outside together.
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Traveling, not necessarily
to any special destination.
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I just want you with
me. Come on. Let's hang out.
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Let's go.
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You know, just, we just
like each other's company
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and we discovered
that in the kitchen.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So you have a
real friendship? Yes.
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That was the big thing. Yeah.
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We... Roy and I,
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we were friends for a long time.
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We, like I said,
he was in the kitchen
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with me that day.
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We became friends.
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We, I would go to
his place and swim.
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He would invite my mom
and my sisters to his house.
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And we were just friends
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and I was very attracted to him.
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He was attracted to me,
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but some of the
things he was talking about
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earlier about
setting him straight,
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I had boundaries
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and I had those boundaries
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because there were
certain commitments
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that I had made
to myself and to God,
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that activities I
would not be involved
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in prior to marriage.
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And so it was
healthy for us to be friends
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because if we allowed ourselves
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to express what we
were really feeling,
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I think we would have...
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I would have broken
some of those boundaries.
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And so we chose to just be
really, really good friends.
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There was
something deeper there,
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but it was just easier for me
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if we remain friends,
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and then allow it
to develop over time.
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Yeah.
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How do you incorporate God?
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You know, your
prayer time together.
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A lot of
couples because they're,
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you know, Seventh-day Adventist,
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but they don't pray together.
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They don't study
the Word together.
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They don't even
go to Sabbath school.
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You know, they drive
to church separately.
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That was that a no,
no clause in my marriage
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because we look
forward to the Sabbath.
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So what do you
incorporate to incorporate God
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in your marriage?
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Well, I think one
of the first things
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that I thought was
really interesting about her
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because she's very artistic
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and she likes to
set aside places.
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And so we have,
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our living room doesn't
have a TV or whatever in it.
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It's kind of our multipurpose,
but it's our worship space.
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So when we even look over there,
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it's kind of like,
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that's the place that triggers
the fact that, oh, worship.
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It even reminds me, I walk by
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it and I go, oh,
I need to ask her
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would you make time
for worship this evening,
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although we're in a
rush or something's going on,
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that's the worship space
and it's kind like a trigger.
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Yes.
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You know, and so
that, that helps a lot.
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Okay.
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How important is
praying together, you know?
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And let me ask
you this, hold this,
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when you are angry,
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because there's
no perfect marriage
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or have a disagreement,
do you still pray together?
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Can we be transparent?
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Yes. Okay.
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Sometimes it's
difficult at first
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and I would say that
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in the earlier
years of our marriage,
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no, we did not.
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We would argue and fuss
and we would be separate,
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but as we've grown together,
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after that, I was saying like,
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after that year eight, year nine
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there would be times where
I would have to compromise,
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like I know I'm
right in this argument
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and I go to him
and I say, I'm sorry.
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Okay. And humility.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And we would say,
okay, let's come together.
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And I don't wanna go
to bed angry tonight.
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Let's pray, you
know, let's have worship
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and something about
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having that time
with God together,
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even though you're upset,
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it's like, it just washes...
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It breaks barriers. It
washes everything away.
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It's like, you know,
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you know what you
might've been arguing about,
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but it doesn't
even really matter
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that much anymore.
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And you just start compromising
and saying, you're sorry.
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And...
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I think for men, it's
a big thing too, that,
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you know, we
need to grow and learn
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to be humble in
our relationships,
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whether it's in
marriage or in any relationship,
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men have strong ego.
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And so, maturing in
Christ I think is dying to self
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and learning to
suppress that ego
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and just say, hey, I was wrong.
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Or I even think I'm still right,
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but I need to
capitulate a little bit
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and just kind of bring it down
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and say, I'm
sorry and move forward,
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because without humility,
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I don't think
there's any forward movement.
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And Christ talked about that.
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He always expressed that,
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you know, humility
is the first order.
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That's it.
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So you would be
open to her apology?
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Yeah. Yeah. I would accept it.
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Who is more stubborn?
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I'm very stubborn in my own way,
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but we're both
stubborn in different ways,
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I think, right?
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That's true.
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We're kind of both
stubborn in different ways.
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Who is a better communicator?
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I think she is.
I am. I think I am.
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Better chef?
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She is, but I'm not too bad.
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He's really
good. He's really good.
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Organization.
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He is. Yeah.
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Definitely. He's meticulous.
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Very meticulous.
Yeah, very meticulous.
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Okay. Timely.
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Time management, who
has best time management?
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I think we're...
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She is more
efficient than I am because,
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because I'm so, you know,
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schedules and the
way things should go.
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Yes.
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She's more willing
to move on the flow
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and you know,
how women are, can do
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a thousand things at one time.
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I'm more linear, like a guy,
you know, A, B, C this slot,
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this slot, you know,
so she's more efficient.
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I might be a
little more organized
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with slotting time,
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but I think it's a good...
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It's a good mix. Right.
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Yeah. The balance is there.
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All right. Financial management?
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That's always a challenge.
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And it has been for
us in the last five years
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due to a lot of illness.
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Yeah, And losing my job.
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But it was so funny.
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My mom was visiting
us recently and she said,
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"Your husband is
a great manager.'
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I don't know how
he's managed all of this
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because the loss
of my income was,
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it was major,
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and not to diminish Roy's role
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as a financial provider.
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But for the last decade,
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I had a substantial
more income than he has
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because of the role
that I played in what I did.
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And so it was taking a
huge head away from us.
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So I think he's done pretty well
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managing with the simple fact
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that we haven't had my income,
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you know, so, you
know, it's been a challenge,
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but God has been good.
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God has taken care of us.
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He pays tithe faithfully.
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And I think that
that is always a covering
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when you pay
your tithe faithfully.
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You return your tithe,
because it belongs to God.
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All right.
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When you return
your tithe faithfully,
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God covers you. Oh, He does.
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And your health and others.
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You lost your father.
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Let's talk about that?
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How was Roy's support
during that time to you?
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It was awesome during that time.
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You know, God has a
way of timing things.
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And you don't
understand His timing
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around the time
that my dad became ill,
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I lost my job.
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And so my time was free
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and Roy works from home.
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So we packed up our car.
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We drove down to
Lithonia, Georgia,
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and I helped my mom
take care of my dad.
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I cooked for him,
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you know, helped
her around the house.
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She did most of the
medical nursing stuff.
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She and my younger sister
who has more medical training,
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but I made sure that
everybody was cooking,
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eating healthy every day.
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And just spending time with him,
00:17:23.81\00:17:25.34
reading the Bible
to him, singing to him.
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So the fact that he
packed up his computers
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and packed up all his
gear and brought a desk
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so that he could work
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while he was at my mom's house.
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And I could be with
my mom and my family
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and help with my dad.
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That was awesome.
00:17:41.56\00:17:42.89
He was so
supportive during that.
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And we did that
twice while he was ill.
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I don't know a lot of spouses.
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Maybe they
wouldn't be able to do it
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because of their work situation,
00:17:52.70\00:17:54.67
but some wouldn't want to do it.
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You go, I'll be
here when you get back.
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When he was there, he,
my dad grew his beard out
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and he hadn't worn
a beard for many years
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because it was all gray.
00:18:04.91\00:18:06.41
And my dad liked,
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you know, he has a,
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had a way with his
personal aesthetics.
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He'd like to love
them, you know, very groomed.
00:18:10.62\00:18:12.45
So he didn't wear a
beard, but due to the illness,
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he had like a little
lump on the side of his neck.
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And so he grew a full
beard and Roy trimmed him up
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and cut his hair and
had him looking slick,
00:18:21.20\00:18:24.60
even though, even
though he was ill.
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So those are the
things like he takes care,
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not just of me,
but of my parents.
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When my mom comes, she's like,
00:18:33.81\00:18:36.75
"Son, can you
give me a haircut?"
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And he gives her a haircut.
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So he is just
loving and supportive.
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Very, very, I think.
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And I had the privilege
of meeting your father.
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I did.
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Let's talk about the
direction of your marriage.
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You know, Jesus is soon to come
00:18:52.93\00:18:55.46
and preparing your mindset
00:18:55.50\00:18:58.20
and the cycle of change
00:18:58.23\00:18:59.57
because we see what's
going on in our world today.
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How are you preparing yourselves
00:19:02.40\00:19:04.54
to be ready for Jesus to come
in this world that we live in?
00:19:04.57\00:19:09.84
I think when you
look at accumulating
00:19:09.88\00:19:15.32
and saying, I
want, I want, I want,
00:19:15.35\00:19:18.49
you change your perspective
00:19:18.52\00:19:19.89
when you see the things
00:19:19.92\00:19:21.52
that are
happening around the world.
00:19:21.56\00:19:23.46
You know professionals,
you know, you study hard,
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I should be able to do
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and by and do
this, that and the other,
00:19:28.66\00:19:30.00
but your perspective changes
00:19:30.03\00:19:32.20
as you see things
that are happening.
00:19:32.23\00:19:34.44
And so that's one
of the discussions
00:19:34.47\00:19:35.80
we have had recently, you know?
00:19:35.84\00:19:38.61
Hmm.
00:19:38.64\00:19:40.14
Do we do this?
00:19:40.18\00:19:41.51
Or can we do this
in a different way
00:19:41.54\00:19:44.78
and shuffle that money
towards something for God?
00:19:44.81\00:19:50.12
You know, you just
really change your perspective
00:19:50.15\00:19:52.15
and you try with prayer
00:19:52.19\00:19:54.89
to make decisions
that honor the fact
00:19:54.92\00:19:58.43
that we are in the last days.
00:19:58.46\00:20:00.06
We're in the last days.
00:20:00.10\00:20:01.43
So that's something
00:20:01.46\00:20:03.10
that I think is channeling
00:20:03.13\00:20:05.07
how we look at things, you know?
00:20:05.10\00:20:07.04
Go ahead, Lisia.
00:20:07.07\00:20:08.40
I was gonna say for me recently
00:20:08.44\00:20:11.67
just to kind of get
back into the workforce.
00:20:11.71\00:20:13.88
I obtained my
real estate license.
00:20:13.91\00:20:17.31
And what I'm finding
is that this is not about,
00:20:17.35\00:20:21.48
what I'm doing is
not about real estate.
00:20:21.52\00:20:23.82
I've been witnessing a lot.
00:20:23.85\00:20:26.72
A lot of people want me
to take them out on Sabbath
00:20:26.76\00:20:29.92
and I tell them no.
00:20:29.96\00:20:31.86
And recently I
had the opportunity
00:20:31.89\00:20:34.53
of talking to a guy and
his wife who are Muslim.
00:20:34.56\00:20:37.83
And we were in the last house.
00:20:37.87\00:20:39.20
I was showing them a
home on a Sunday morning.
00:20:39.23\00:20:41.77
And the Holy Spirit
said to me, explain to him
00:20:41.80\00:20:44.54
why you can't take
him out on Sabbath.
00:20:44.57\00:20:47.08
And so I said,
you know, so and so,
00:20:47.11\00:20:49.41
you've been asking me
00:20:49.44\00:20:51.01
to take you out on
Sabbaths or on Saturdays.
00:20:51.05\00:20:54.08
And that's the Sabbath
00:20:54.12\00:20:55.75
from Friday sundown
to Saturday sundown,
00:20:55.78\00:20:58.25
I don't do any work.
00:20:58.29\00:21:00.06
And so he says, "Are you a Jew?"
00:21:00.09\00:21:02.06
I said, "No, I'm not Jewish."
00:21:02.09\00:21:04.23
And so he says,
"But you keep Sabbath?"
00:21:04.26\00:21:06.33
I said, "Yes."
00:21:06.36\00:21:07.70
He says, "Well, yes, God did
tell us to keep the Sabbath."
00:21:07.73\00:21:09.86
And I thought
that was surprising
00:21:09.90\00:21:11.37
because I know that
00:21:11.40\00:21:12.73
they keep Friday
afternoons or evenings
00:21:12.77\00:21:14.80
Yes, Friday afternoon
in Dubai, Friday afternoon.
00:21:14.84\00:21:16.67
Right.
00:21:16.71\00:21:18.44
So they know about the Sabbath.
00:21:18.47\00:21:20.38
So he says, "Well, do
you believe in Jesus?"
00:21:20.41\00:21:22.71
And I said, "Yes."
00:21:22.74\00:21:24.28
And so we got into
there's no one, but God,
00:21:24.31\00:21:26.38
there's no other God but God,
and Jesus was a great prophet.
00:21:26.41\00:21:29.48
And I said, I said,
00:21:29.52\00:21:31.09
"You know, everyone
believes what they believe,
00:21:31.12\00:21:33.15
but I just
wanted to share with you
00:21:33.19\00:21:35.39
why I couldn't go
with you on Sabbaths."
00:21:35.42\00:21:39.46
And I've had other opportunities
00:21:39.49\00:21:41.16
and other things
that I'm trying to build
00:21:41.20\00:21:43.60
to explain to people
00:21:43.63\00:21:45.30
why I don't work
00:21:45.33\00:21:47.27
during the
sunset Friday to sunset.
00:21:47.30\00:21:50.01
So it's been more of a
witnessing tool, you know?
00:21:50.04\00:21:55.71
I am getting
business and God is blessing,
00:21:55.74\00:21:58.95
but I'm finding that
I'm witnessing more now
00:21:58.98\00:22:01.78
than I ever have.
00:22:01.82\00:22:03.15
And I'm more...
00:22:03.18\00:22:04.52
I feel more free
and open to do so,
00:22:04.55\00:22:06.92
because I guess as an
agent, it is your own thing.
00:22:06.96\00:22:12.69
But when you're
working for a corporation,
00:22:12.73\00:22:16.46
they kind of frown on
any religious activity,
00:22:16.50\00:22:20.60
but this is one-on-one
00:22:20.64\00:22:22.60
and they can
choose to listen or not.
00:22:22.64\00:22:24.74
And everyone has been receptive.
00:22:24.77\00:22:26.57
It's like, they wanna know
00:22:26.61\00:22:27.94
what is this strange faith
00:22:27.98\00:22:29.51
where you believe in Jesus
and you keep a Sabbath, right?
00:22:29.54\00:22:33.38
Yeah.
00:22:33.42\00:22:34.75
A lot of people don't
know, and they don't know.
00:22:34.78\00:22:38.05
And they assume that
they know, and they don't.
00:22:38.09\00:22:39.55
Right.
00:22:39.59\00:22:40.92
Because I go with
my patients or clients,
00:22:40.96\00:22:43.16
Dr. Logan, can
you see me on Saturday
00:22:43.19\00:22:44.86
and the Bible says good
to do well on a Saturday,
00:22:44.89\00:22:46.66
there's emergency suicide.
00:22:46.70\00:22:48.60
But normally I
need to be rebooted.
00:22:48.63\00:22:50.53
I have to be refreshed.
00:22:50.57\00:22:51.90
I need to hear a good word.
00:22:51.93\00:22:53.27
I need the Lisia
sing, I need that.
00:22:53.30\00:22:56.07
But in that I recognize that
00:22:56.10\00:22:59.04
so many people
are hungry for Jesus.
00:22:59.07\00:23:02.18
They are hungry
for the Word of God.
00:23:02.21\00:23:04.41
Let's talk about and
being a special treasure,
00:23:04.45\00:23:07.32
do you still,
your me time together?
00:23:07.35\00:23:10.55
You know, are you
still roller skating?
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It's been awhile, but yes we do.
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All right. But you still do.
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All right. So
what do you do, Roy?
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And what do you do
Lisia for your me time?
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You mean individually?
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Individually, your
own personal space.
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Yes, you appreciate yourself.
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I like to work
with my hands a lot.
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Okay.
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So when I can, I
try to build something
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or repair
something or fix something,
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I just enjoy that, you know?
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Around the house?
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Around the house or a computer,
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I mean, I'm in
the computer field.
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And so I'll find an old computer
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that needs fixing
and I'll just fix it,
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rebuild it or
something like that.
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Or if, you know, I grew
up working on cars a lot.
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If a friend
needs help with a car,
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I'll say I volunteer.
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Hey, can I come help
you with your car, you know?
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All right.
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Music. Music.
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Yeah, that's true, music a lot.
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Yeah, 'cause both
of you, both sing,
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you know, do you
do duets together?
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Funny you should ask.
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I know, we're actually
doing one this weekend.
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Oh, at a church?
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Okay.
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At another not our home church,
but another church in the area.
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Oh, how lovely. How lovely.
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So, and what do
you do, Mrs. Sadler?
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I like to get massages. Yes.
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I try to get as many
as those as possible.
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So I'll go and
I'll plan a facial
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or I'll plan a massage.
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Sometimes I have this infra red,
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like it's a blanket
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that I get into and I
close it and turn it on.
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And I just lay in
there, get hot and purified,
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get all the toxins
and everything out.
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So just, you know,
anything that helps me to relax.
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I like to read, I like music.
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And then sometimes I
just don't mind like a old,
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I like old,
black and white movies.
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Yeah, those are
romantic, very nice.
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Yeah. So I love stuff like that.
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You take walks together? Yeah.
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A lot. A lot. We do that a lot.
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Do you ever take
walks in the rain?
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I've tried to get her
to do that a couple times
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when the weather
is just right for it,
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because otherwise
it can be challenging.
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I've done that a couple times,
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it's not like a normal thing.
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Right.
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'Cause I've seen
couples, I've talked to couples
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and I said, you
walk in the grain.
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And I said, that's interesting.
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I don't even like
being in the rain.
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All right.
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So cooking together
in that kitchen together,
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looking at your
ministries in church.
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Could anything ever pull
you away from God, do you think?
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Well, I think in the past,
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you know, when
you're less mature
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in the Christian
life, things can,
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and I think each of us
is in a different place,
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you know, in our Christian walk.
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So I'm hoping and praying that
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nothing can take
me away at this point
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but I'm not gonna predict.
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I just want to stay prayed up.
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Yes. Lisia?
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I can't imagine that.
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It's hard for me to
imagine a life without my faith,
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without God.
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It would seem
very, very, very strange.
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I know that when you're younger,
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some of the things that you
do as a Christian are habit.
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If you choose to
stay in the church,
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because you're so used
to doing the same thing,
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but after awhile,
00:26:24.38\00:26:25.91
you need that in
order to feel sane,
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in order to feel whole.
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And so I can't imagine
ever leaving the church,
00:26:31.29\00:26:35.12
leaving God, leaving what I feel
00:26:35.16\00:26:38.96
and know to be true.
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Yes.
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Let me ask you this.
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You know, we've
about a minute left,
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your favorite
scripture, favorite scripture?
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"They that wait upon the
Lord shall renew their strength,
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they shall mount up
with wings as eagles,
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they shall run and not be weary,
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they shall walk and not faint."
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Yes. I know it's in
Isaiah, I cannot remember 58.
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I can't remember the verse.
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So don't look at me right now,
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just got into
the moment right now.
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Yeah, that is my...
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My dad taught me that text
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and it had stayed with me.
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Stayed with you.
Roy, what is yours?
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"Lean not unto
thy own understanding,
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but in all thy
ways acknowledge Him
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and He shall direct thy path."
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That's a blessing.
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That's one of my favorites,
00:27:17.63\00:27:18.97
but my favorite
of all Hebrews 11:1,
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"Faith is the
substance of things
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hoped for and the
evidence of things not seen."
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I just want to thank
you both for coming on
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and we're out of time
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and continue to be
a special treasure.
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It's important that
00:27:32.95\00:27:34.28
we make Jesus
our special treasure
00:27:34.32\00:27:36.52
and make sure that
you have that walk,
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without that we
can't live to be well.
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So I say to you,
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I give you Christ as
your special treasure.
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I'm Dr. Kim and live to be well.
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God bless.
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