Participants: Jeff Reich
Series Code: LM
Program Code: LM100134
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00:30 Welcome back to Layman Ministries Studio.
00:32 We have Pastor Johnson with us here from India. 00:36 And this is actually part two of a two part series 00:39 of an interview with Pastor Johnson. 00:41 In our last interview, we talked about 00:43 the new television studio that was recently built 00:46 and the dedication took place 00:48 there and also some of the other things surrounding evangelism 00:51 and outreach and some of the new plans that we have. 00:53 You definitely want to get program 00:56 one and this program, program two. 00:58 Contact our ministry at the address 01:00 or the website email at the end and request the DVDs. 01:04 But, Pastor Johnson, we had a lot of exciting things 01:08 that we were talking about in our last program. 01:09 You are right, yeah. Way more than we can even show 01:11 and two or three, four, five interviewers, 01:14 but one of the things that was really, 01:17 to me is really intriguing is since we've been working 01:20 together for almost 18 years-- Laymen Ministries 01:22 have been 18 years now in India. 01:24 And you've been working with Pastor Shadrach 01:28 and for a number of years 01:30 there and so we've been there quite a while. 01:32 And how many churches have we established 01:36 or been involved with helping to establish 01:38 you think over the years. 01:39 Do you have a rough idea? 01:41 More than 60 churches. 6-0? 01:45 Yeah. 60 churches? You're right. 01:46 Wow, it's a really amazing thing 01:48 how God has blessed in that way. 01:49 You're right. 01:50 Because the work it is hard fully, 01:55 I mean very systematically we did so far. 01:58 So that's a main reason. 02:00 And there are many people supported these people 02:04 who are praying for us and also, it's our evangelism. 02:10 It's a complete package kind of door-to-door 02:15 and printing material and website evangelism 02:20 and evangelistic meetings, revival meetings. 02:24 Then baptisms and then church planting and. 02:29 Yes. So in the very onset 02:30 you said one of the first things 02:32 that we're involved with us is television ministry. 02:34 And we're currently producing nine programs per week. 02:37 This television ministry kind of sets 02:39 a credibility precedence in a sense. 02:42 And so then you start 02:43 targeting areas with Bible workers. 02:45 Is that how it works? Yes. 02:46 Yeah, Bible workers. 02:47 Because we see how our response in various areas 02:52 then we will send our Bible workers, 02:55 the Bible workers will go, they stay like a four months 02:59 and the first month there is a kind 03:01 of a ground work, friendship. 03:04 The second month is a group Bible study, 03:07 farming group Bible study. 03:09 The third month is evangelistic meeting. 03:11 The fourth month, identify the church place, 03:15 how kind of house church and all that. 03:19 I'm smiling a little bit because we have 23-24 03:23 Bible workers and two pastors that oversee two teams 03:26 like 12 in each team. 03:28 And the reason I'm smiling is every year 03:30 when I go to India, I meet with the Bible workers. 03:33 So now-- so then after the Bible workers 03:36 go and establish Bible studies in an area, 03:38 what's the next step? 03:40 Then after that we will--what we will do. 03:43 We will plant a church in that-- we search a place kind of, 03:48 we'll put a temporary shed, 03:49 so that people can come and worship. 03:52 Sometimes these are on top of a house or-- 03:54 You're right. And then after that? 03:56 Then we will appoint Bible workers 03:59 to take care of the church. 04:01 Then after one or two months 04:03 then we will inform to the conference, 04:05 then the conference president they will come, 04:08 see the church member, then they will take 04:10 a responsibility, they will appoint a pastor. 04:14 So like that it's a kind of systematic one. 04:17 And also there are some failures we had experience. 04:22 In some places, we did a ground work 04:26 and started a church and everything, 04:28 but finally most of the baptism members became backsliding 04:33 and some members gone, then what we do, 04:35 we again send the Bible workers there 04:38 and do a ground work again for months. 04:40 And meet some of the same people over again? 04:42 You are right. So we won't leave 04:44 kind of--kind of people say, okay they give baptism. 04:48 No, we will fall-- we will find a way. 04:52 I see what you're saying. 04:54 So often times then I've seen 04:55 this in this quick evangelistic methods 04:57 where they baptized people, people joined the church 05:00 and then boom, there is no more support 05:02 the people backslide and some places 05:04 it's probably a highest 60-70%. 05:07 And how does evangelism play 05:08 into this as far as one of the steps? 05:10 And what is your relationship with Pastor Shadrach Samuel 05:13 as far as, you know, like organizing evangelism 05:16 as follow up in regard to what the Bible workers are doing? 05:19 What we will do is in all the places sometime 05:23 we may not hold the evangelistic meeting because to hold 05:27 the evangelistic meeting, it is expensive. 05:30 Sometime it cost money. 05:33 But for our evangelistic meeting, 05:36 we spend like, 1,500 to 1,800 or 2,000 US dollar. 05:42 But still sometime we may not have money. 05:44 So what we will do, some places we will hire 05:48 a marriage hall because in the month of January, 05:52 in the month of July, August, in the month of November, 05:55 no marriage will happen in the months. 05:59 And this has to do with a little bit 06:00 of the superstitions of people thinking 06:02 its bad luck to get married in those months. 06:04 You are right. You are right. 06:05 So what a better place to have an evangelistic meeting 06:08 than in a marriage hall and introduce people 06:10 to the--to the bride of Christ in the church, 06:14 yeah, to get married, married to Christ. 06:17 That's wonderful. 06:19 So in 2012, how many baptisms have taken place? 06:23 In 2012, we given through our ministry 06:29 there are 624 baptisms. 624 baptisms. 06:35 When I was there, just a couple weeks ago 06:36 with you in India, you had some baptisms. 06:39 In fact, wasn't plan to anything 06:41 because I was there it was like, 06:42 you were even surprised like, 06:44 "Oh, these people can baptize this week, this Sabbath. 06:46 I didn't know that. 06:48 What was the situation with them 06:49 and how many people were baptized? 06:51 Nine people were taken baptism that day because usually 06:55 we will tell our Bible workers, at the end of the month, 06:59 the last week, the fourth week we usually 07:03 have the baptism because we encourage the Bible workers 07:07 before they come for giving the report 07:10 or getting the salary, they have to finish 07:13 that month work, giving Bible study 07:16 and all the target they have to, because they have assignment. 07:19 It is not a compulsory, but it is assignment 07:22 we have given to each Bible workers. 07:26 It is not simply they cannot-- we cannot do because 07:29 our God is a God of law and order. 07:34 So we have given, okay every month you'll have this target, 07:37 this house-- this many house and-- 07:40 So it's almost what I've noticed is certain things 07:42 happened certain months. You're right. 07:44 Evangelism happens certain month because of the marriage halls 07:47 being available or sometimes evangelism 07:50 happens maybe in different situations, too. 07:53 And then baptisms happen certain months. 07:55 So far in 2013, how many people 07:58 have been baptized so far this year? 07:59 And this is like we're in April right now. 08:01 So how many people have been baptized so far? 08:03 Very, 38 baptisms we did. 08:05 38 baptisms. And it's really important 08:07 for our viewers to understand that as you caught 08:10 what Pastor Johnson want to saying is these people 08:12 were not the kind of people that could baptized 08:14 then through the cracks, these are people 08:16 who are grounded and understanding Bible truth. 08:19 In connection with what we're talking about 08:21 we had an interesting evangelistic series 08:23 that happened in Vellore, India. 08:25 And Vellore, India of course of anybody 08:27 has been in South Indians knows that this is a kind of like 08:29 a place where Christian missionary years ago 08:31 established a medical college. 08:35 And so there is a hospital there and there is lot 08:37 of professional people, nurses and doctors and such. 08:39 And there was a particular doctor there that had an idea 08:43 whose longtime friends with Pastor Shadrach. 08:45 What did you and Pastor Shadrach and these medical professionals 08:48 do in Vellore here just a few months ago? 08:51 Generally Pastor Shadrach and myself 08:54 we have a different strategy. 08:58 For the northern part of Chennai, 08:59 we have a different strategy, for southern part of Chennai 09:02 we have different strategy. 09:03 When you say different strategy you mean you're still agree 09:05 with each other, but you have different 09:07 way of implanting what you do? 09:08 Yes, implanting the work. 09:10 I got you. Yeah, implementation 09:12 because we cannot work in the northern part of Chennai 09:17 same like southern part of Chennai. 09:20 And the reason for that? 09:21 It's for the people because 09:23 northern part is working class. 09:26 Like, fisherman. Fisherman. 09:27 And builders and maybe kind of a little 09:29 rougher town part of town, right? 09:31 Town. And the southern part, it is a middle class 09:34 and the IT people and all that. 09:36 Well, professional people. 09:38 So we have a strategy to implement each place. 09:43 So on that one, last year 2012 and 2011, 09:48 Pastor Shadrach is one of the powerful preacher 09:52 and he always invited by many people 09:56 around India and abroad also. 09:59 So Vellore is unique place. 10:03 All our Adventist doctors, they gathered and the students, 10:11 their passion to reach the non-Adventist. 10:16 Because there we don't need a Bible study 10:19 because everybody knows Jesus and all that. 10:23 So here Dr. Anand and his team member's goal 10:29 is to share the Three Angels Message also the Sabbath truth. 10:35 So then Dr. Anand called me, what's your schedule? 10:40 Then we discussed, Pastor Shadrach and myself, 10:43 then we had a discussion with them. 10:45 So they told their passion is to reach 10:50 the non-Adventist with the Sabbath truth. 10:55 So what they decided to do is have a series of meetings 10:59 that Pastor Shadrach every evening would speak 11:02 just upon the principles of the Sabbath. 11:04 And then in the afternoon he was holding meetings 11:07 on the Book of Daniel or something 11:08 like that in the mornings. 11:10 How many people actually attended these meetings 11:12 knowing that there was going to be about 11:13 the Seventh-day Sabbath? 11:14 Usually they--usually when we have the meeting like that, 11:19 people the attendance will be kind of less, 11:22 but because of this ground work they hired a marriage hall. 11:27 The marriage house-- hall was full, overflow. 11:30 It is almost like, 350 people. 11:34 Yeah, Dr. Anand was talking about people 11:36 were on the sides of the walls and in the back. 11:39 And there was quite a number of people 11:41 and these are all non-Seventh-day Adventist 11:43 people that signed like, information cards, 11:46 showing that they had an interest. 11:47 How many people signed cards? 11:49 It is the 75 people they were-- 11:52 75 people? 75 people. 11:54 And also they have a baptism and are the few very good people 12:00 they gave their hugs to Jesus. 12:03 And there are few people that you also met them 12:06 and they are on the way of decision 12:08 to take a baptism soon. 12:10 Let's really quickly just take our viewing audience 12:12 to Vellore and meet Dr. Anand. 12:14 And let's go there really quick. 12:18 So how did this meeting start? 12:20 I was invited by Dr. Anand for meeting here to speak, 12:27 this is from Laymen Ministries. 12:29 And Pastor Dr. Anand and many of his friends, 12:32 the Vivek and several others from the church here, 12:36 they planned for this meeting. 12:38 So you said you're gonna try 12:39 a different approach with these meetings. 12:40 What was that approach? 12:41 Yeah, normally we have--we try to present 12:46 many of our doctrines in the second meeting. 12:48 We talk about State of the Dead, we talk about Second Coming, 12:50 we talk about Millennium and by doing, 12:53 then we present Sabbath. 12:55 We don't have enough time to present one topic fully. 12:58 So then we thought we'll have a bit different approach. 13:00 We thought we-- we had meetings for five days 13:02 and we thought we would present Sabbath around five days. 13:05 So we were able to cover the topic 13:07 in this entire day as much as possible. 13:10 So you had the meetings for five nights 13:12 and you were gonna focus just on the Sabbath in the evenings. 13:14 And we are doing any meetings then during the day or two or-- 13:17 Yes, we had Bible study during the day time. 13:21 Not many people could come because people go to work, 13:24 but quite a few people came. 13:26 And so in the evening meetings 13:27 how many people show that? 13:28 Evening meeting around 300 and some times more. 13:31 The hall was full. 13:33 I mean, the capacity was only around 250. 13:36 When I went to invite my friends for these meetings, 13:39 people were very intrigued by the title 13:42 because the title was, "what the Bible says." 13:46 It was in Tamil, of course. 13:49 So there were kind of intrigued 13:51 does to what the Bible really says. 13:54 And the topics when I just handout--handed out this flyer 13:59 and handed out to one of my friends, 14:00 the first title was "God's Love Letter." 14:04 And he was kind of taken away. 14:05 What is this love letter from God? 14:07 I want to just come to, listen to that 14:09 talk--that's that talk, but through-- 14:14 Even though the predominant theme was Sabbath, 14:16 but it was so beautifully kind of incorporated 14:21 into other beautiful truths of the Bible 14:24 that people just came in to find out 14:28 what the one of God really has to say. 14:31 And that's my bit that I put in, nothing much. 14:36 Yeah, before pastor started out with this Bible topic, 14:39 we gave a short health talk which is applicable 14:43 for our people here in the local area. 14:46 Talked about balanced diet and kind of nutrition, 14:49 how to take care of joint pains and things like that. 14:54 So everyday we had a short talk about for half an hour. 14:57 So can I ask you a question? 14:59 Do you believe in Jesus Christ? 15:01 Yeah, definitely. 15:02 Do you believe in the Sabbath? 15:04 Yeah. Do you believe 15:05 that He's gonna come very soon? 15:06 Yeah, definitely. 15:07 So you're an Adventist, you just don't know. 15:10 Because one thing-- 15:13 You know, I find it really exciting 15:14 when I hear about lay people 15:16 getting involved with church work. 15:17 You know, it's like, a lot of times 15:19 we have this mentality 15:20 that the pastors, the one that's got to go out 15:21 and do the ministry, but really the responsibility 15:24 for ministry rests upon the laity of the church. 15:26 And when I hear about lay people 15:27 like yourself getting involved, teaming up with someone 15:29 who's an evangelist like, Pastor Shadrach 15:31 special thing for me is a real 15:34 blessing to hear about that. 15:36 When I met with these people I was just so excited because 15:40 it filled my heart to see that these people are not pastors, 15:43 these people were just lay people, 15:45 just lay people in the church that had a burden 15:48 on their heart to do evangelism, using lay people and connection 15:52 with some pastors doing visitation, 15:55 going out-- doing like the work 15:56 of the Bible workers and then holding 15:57 the special kind of meetings that reminded me of a statement 16:01 by our Former General Conference President 16:03 at the Seventh-day Adventist Church. 16:05 I'd like to read it to you really quickly. 16:06 Good. It's taken from 1912 in March 16:09 at the Ministry Institute Los Angeles, California. 16:12 A. G. Daniells who was then the General Conference President 16:15 of the Seventh-day Adventist Church made this assessment 16:18 between the work of the laity and the clergy in Adventism. 16:21 This is what he says. 16:22 "We have not settled ministers over our churches 16:25 as pastors to any large extent. 16:27 In some of the very large churches 16:29 we have elected pastors, but as a rule 16:31 we have held ourselves ready 16:32 for field service, evangelistic work, 16:35 and our brethren and sisters have held themselves 16:38 ready to maintain their church services and carry forward 16:40 their church work without settled pastors." 16:43 So he is saying that the pastors basically 16:45 and the church leaders were out doing evangelism 16:48 and doing visitation and things like that and the lay people 16:51 were running the church 16:52 and taking care of the Bible studies. 16:54 And then he goes on to say this. 16:57 "And I hope this will never cease to be the order of affairs 17:00 in this denomination, for when we cease 17:02 our forward movement and begin to settle over 17:05 our churches, to stay by them." 17:08 And he is talking about the pastors. 17:09 "To stay by them, settle over the churches, 17:12 do their thinking and their praying and their work 17:14 that is to be done, then the churches 17:16 will begin to weaken, and to lose 17:18 their life and spirit, and become paralyzed 17:21 and fossilized and our work will be on the retreat." 17:24 And I thought what a prophetic statement. 17:27 You know, when the pastor assumed 17:28 all the responsibilities of the church and the lay people 17:31 just sit back and do nothing, put some money in offering plate 17:33 and complaining about whether the pastor preached 17:35 a good sermon or not, just like that whole view distorted. 17:38 And what we've initiated as Laymen Ministries 17:40 in India is to change that whole principle 17:43 to get the lay people involved with evangelism. 17:46 And also for your information, they're all doctors there, 17:50 Vellore Christian Medical Hospital and College. 17:55 It is a very huge system. 17:58 They have hundreds of beds 18:00 and it's a-- The patient come throughout India. 18:04 So the point is, the doctors are very busy, 18:07 but in spite of that they have taken a time. 18:10 And now for your information this coming summer 18:14 they are planning for English congregation 18:18 to reach the English speaking people. 18:20 Like the English speaking educated 18:22 people in that area there? 18:24 Right. Right. So our ministry 18:25 is kind of two-fold. 18:27 We work in some areas with the poor and uneducated 18:30 and then in other areas we're working 18:32 with very professional people, very educated people 18:35 which is really a big blessing to be able to have such spectrum 18:39 of different people to be working with. 18:41 While I was there, there was a interesting 18:44 situation took place with an arise, 18:46 shine kind of like, your Revival Evangelistic Series 18:50 took place by that Chennai International Airport. 18:54 And tell us a little bit about how did that little group 18:57 get established there, visually like a year or two ago 18:59 and how the lay people got involved and how Shadrach 19:02 was preaching there doing evangelism. 19:04 In the year 2007, we had evangelistic meeting, 19:09 very close to that airport. 19:11 Due to some reason we were not able to conduct a church 19:18 in that place because the local people 19:21 were kind of, they are not giving 19:22 the place to hold a worship service. 19:26 So we decided in spite of that very close to the airport, 19:32 we wanted to move a little bit away. 19:34 So we moved away and did a ground work four months. 19:40 With Bible workers? With our Bible workers. 19:42 And as I said earlier, in this place 19:45 we didn't have any evangelistic meeting. 19:47 At the end of the fourth month, 19:49 we hired a place, and in that meeting hall 19:54 we arranged a meeting and at the end, 19:58 people almost 32 people took baptism. 20:01 Wow, as they established kind of like a small company, 20:04 there a small new church. 20:06 And so these people then just after they were baptized 20:10 and such became bored and set around, 20:12 twiddle their thumbs and didn't do anything? 20:14 No. What happened is, the two things I want to share. 20:18 Number one, that small church 20:21 now the offering is every month it is $400, US dollar. 20:27 For India, that's a lot. 20:28 That's a huge dollar. 20:29 So these people became active. 20:30 Yes. And so what was the next point? 20:32 The next point is when you came, 20:34 they want to have a honor the Laymen Ministry 20:39 and also they want to witness their neighbors, what a Sabbath. 20:45 So in spite of that meeting in the church, 20:48 the one layman who took a baptism recently 20:53 through our evangelist meeting and the Bible worker visitation, 20:58 he spend his own money, put a shed, 21:03 arranged the food for the Sabbath, 21:05 potluck lunch kind of like that. 21:08 He arranged everything at his own expense. 21:12 And it was a wonderful experience. 21:14 And I know the time is very short, 21:17 otherwise I can share a story. 21:19 His name is Raman. 21:22 Raman is a Hindu God. 21:24 And he and his wife and they have two children, 21:27 but his two children are not easy, 21:31 they're like a dada's. 21:34 Now they're kind of gangsters. 21:35 Gangsters, you're right. 21:36 You said-- I think I met them. 21:38 Actually they're bodybuilders. 21:39 Very good strong guys. 21:41 Yeah, very strong guys. 21:42 And one fine day, when Mrs. Raman 21:48 is on the market, they met our Bible workers 21:51 and the Bible workers went to their home 21:54 and they prayed and when they went next time, 21:57 the youngest son took a drug. 22:01 He's taking drugs and drinking alcohol? 22:03 Alcohol and lying on the ground. 22:05 And our Bible workers they're kind of fear and crossing him 22:11 and stepping over him and entering into the home. 22:16 Then "Who is that entering into my home?" 22:19 He woke up. Woke up. 22:20 And shouted, "Get lost." We don't--" 22:24 He actually threatened to kill the Bible worker. 22:26 Bible workers. "We don't need a prayer. 22:28 We don't want anything. 22:30 Just go out." Then our Bible worker got scared. 22:35 They slowly came. Then Mrs. Raman 22:39 will call our Bible workers. 22:40 "Oh, my son is not here. 22:42 So please come." 22:44 Then our Bible workers will go then they go, 22:48 then they were giving Bible study, 22:49 this fellow will come, all with the full alcohol and drug. 22:54 And threatening again. 22:55 Threatening again. 22:56 One day our pastor, the supervisor 22:59 he saw his younger son and ran. 23:04 And finally it is because of the Bible workers' 23:08 prayed honestly, they took a fasting 23:10 and prayed then they got released from the jail. 23:16 And now they're very happy and sons 23:19 were studying in our school. 23:20 They started Bible studies with the Bible workers. 23:22 You're right. And when I was there 23:23 I met the one older brother and he and his wife 23:27 they told us in fact like to cut away to that really quick 23:30 just now and we just share with you what he said. 23:33 So our Bible workers just showed up 23:35 and these are the two Bible workers that actually 23:37 came to the house here and visited them. 23:39 Was it like two years ago now? 23:40 Three years ago? Two years. 23:42 Two years ago. And Pastor Johnson, 23:46 tell us about these Bible workers here and-- 23:49 Her name is Saundary and her name is Rosemary. 23:53 Rosemary. This both Bible workers 23:55 met Mrs. Sarah in the market. 23:59 "Shall we come to your home?" 24:01 Then they came to the home. 24:05 Why does she ask them to come to the home? 24:07 Because of the challenges in the home. 24:10 If you pray, God will take away everything. 24:13 When your Bible workers came to the home, 24:15 we well received by the whole family? 24:17 No. It is because everyday whenever they come, 24:24 they come with the fear because but-- 24:28 Why did they have a fear? 24:30 And the fear is brother in those days 24:33 he was-- He and his younger brother addicted 24:37 to lot of alcohol and other things. 24:39 And you said they were bodybuilders and-- 24:41 And they were bodybuilder, very strong personality. 24:43 So that's way they were kind of fear. 24:46 And Pastor Joseph is the one 24:48 that leads out our team here, right? 24:50 Coordinating, yeah. 24:51 And so we have two teams of Bible workers. 24:54 This is Team B they call it, right? 24:56 Laymen Ministries Bible worker Team B. 24:58 You're right. Oh, good. That's a blessing. 25:03 And when I heard what he was sharing about 25:05 how they're happy now and everything. 25:07 You could see how Christ changed their lives. 25:09 Really quickly, we only have just a little bit more time, 25:12 but let's talk about literature. 25:14 Because literature is a really part of our ministry 25:16 there with our new center we're gonna be able to have 25:19 a place now to consolidate all of our literature, 25:21 pack it and box it and ship it out 25:23 to all of the different contacts like, 25:25 call the ministry regards to the television programs 25:28 and the needs of the Bible workers. 25:30 What do we currently have available in the Tamil language 25:34 and what kind of things do we need to print? 25:35 And how important is this literature to our work there? 25:38 I feel publishing work is very important because 25:44 the print material will be in the home. 25:48 When they're kind of trouble, they will take and read it. 25:52 So kind of example. 25:53 Great Controversy, Desire of Ages, 25:55 Steps to Christ and our ministry is a first one 26:00 who initiated to print in Tamil language. 26:03 And now we have out of stock. 26:06 So right now we need to reprint 26:09 some of these little-- some of these books 26:11 and you have I've talked about printing 26:12 the Desire of Ages like in a series of smaller books 26:15 and Great Controversy in a series of smaller books 26:18 and we've printed Steps to Christ, 26:20 I think two maybe three times 26:22 now in the last 10, 12 years. You're right. 26:24 These books need to be reprint. 26:25 They're valuable. 26:26 Aren't they for our work there? 26:27 Yes, very important because for the TV viewers, 26:30 for the door-to-door evangelisms for our evangelistic meeting 26:33 and also we are sending books to Sri Lanka, 26:37 France, Italy Middle East. 26:39 There's Tamil speaking people 26:41 all over the world, and in Malaysia. 26:43 Malaysia, Australia. We need books. 26:46 And to print Great Controversy, kind of a great hope. 26:52 It cost a 40 cent for each book. 26:55 And we are planning for a 5,000. 26:59 And so this will be 5,000 each little small books. 27:02 Small books. So the Great Controversy 27:04 we broken up like five parts probably. 27:06 You're right. So how much would 27:08 that cost altogether to? 27:09 Together maybe like 10,000 US dollars. 27:11 10,000 US dollars and same for Desire of Ages. 27:13 Yeah, same thing like that. 27:14 And Steps to Christ is an invaluable book. 27:16 I mean, we really need that. 27:17 How much would it cost to do 5,000 27:19 small great Steps to Christ? 27:21 That is 5,000 US dollar. 27:24 Our time is up. Pastor Johnson, 27:25 it's always great to have you here with us. 27:27 And if you want to get this whole two part series on a DVD, 27:30 you can contact to our ministry at Laymen Ministries, 27:32 414 Zapada Rd., Saint Maries, Idaho 83861 27:37 or you can all us at our toll free number 27:39 in that states at 1-800-245-1844, 27:42 or get us on web at, www.lmn.org. |
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