Welcome back to
Layman Ministries Studio.
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We have Pastor Johnson
with us here from India.
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And this is actually
part two of a two part series
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of an interview
with Pastor Johnson.
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In our last
interview, we talked about
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the new television
studio that was recently built
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and the dedication took place
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there and also some of the other
things surrounding evangelism
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and outreach and some of
the new plans that we have.
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You definitely
want to get program
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one and this
program, program two.
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Contact our
ministry at the address
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or the website email at
the end and request the DVDs.
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But, Pastor Johnson, we
had a lot of exciting things
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that we were talking
about in our last program.
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You are right, yeah. Way
more than we can even show
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and two or three,
four, five interviewers,
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but one of the
things that was really,
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to me is really intriguing
is since we've been working
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together for almost 18
years-- Laymen Ministries
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have been 18 years now in India.
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And you've been
working with Pastor Shadrach
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and for a number of years
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there and so we've
been there quite a while.
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And how many
churches have we established
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or been involved
with helping to establish
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you think over the years.
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Do you have a rough idea?
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More than 60 churches. 6-0?
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Yeah. 60 churches? You're right.
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Wow, it's a really amazing thing
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how God has blessed in that way.
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You're right.
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Because the work
it is hard fully,
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I mean very
systematically we did so far.
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So that's a main reason.
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And there are many
people supported these people
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who are praying for us
and also, it's our evangelism.
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It's a complete
package kind of door-to-door
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and printing material
and website evangelism
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and evangelistic
meetings, revival meetings.
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Then baptisms and
then church planting and.
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Yes. So in the very onset
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you said one of the first things
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that we're involved with
us is television ministry.
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And we're currently producing
nine programs per week.
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This television
ministry kind of sets
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a credibility
precedence in a sense.
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And so then you start
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targeting areas
with Bible workers.
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Is that how it works? Yes.
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Yeah, Bible workers.
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Because we see how our
response in various areas
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then we will send
our Bible workers,
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the Bible workers will go,
they stay like a four months
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and the first
month there is a kind
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of a ground work, friendship.
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The second month is
a group Bible study,
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farming group Bible study.
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The third month is
evangelistic meeting.
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The fourth month,
identify the church place,
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how kind of house
church and all that.
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I'm smiling a little
bit because we have 23-24
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Bible workers and two
pastors that oversee two teams
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like 12 in each team.
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And the reason I'm
smiling is every year
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when I go to India, I
meet with the Bible workers.
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So now-- so then
after the Bible workers
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go and establish
Bible studies in an area,
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what's the next step?
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Then after that we
will--what we will do.
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We will plant a church in that--
we search a place kind of,
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we'll put a temporary shed,
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so that people
can come and worship.
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Sometimes these are
on top of a house or--
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You're right.
And then after that?
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Then we will
appoint Bible workers
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to take care of the church.
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Then after one or two months
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then we will
inform to the conference,
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then the conference
president they will come,
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see the church
member, then they will take
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a responsibility,
they will appoint a pastor.
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So like that it's a
kind of systematic one.
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And also there are some
failures we had experience.
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In some places,
we did a ground work
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and started a
church and everything,
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but finally most of the baptism
members became backsliding
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and some members
gone, then what we do,
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we again send the
Bible workers there
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and do a ground
work again for months.
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And meet some of the
same people over again?
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You are right. So we won't leave
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kind of--kind of people
say, okay they give baptism.
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No, we will fall--
we will find a way.
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I see what you're saying.
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So often times then I've seen
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this in this quick
evangelistic methods
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where they baptized
people, people joined the church
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and then boom,
there is no more support
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the people
backslide and some places
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it's probably a highest 60-70%.
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And how does evangelism play
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into this as far
as one of the steps?
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And what is your relationship
with Pastor Shadrach Samuel
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as far as, you know,
like organizing evangelism
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as follow up in regard to what
the Bible workers are doing?
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What we will do is in
all the places sometime
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we may not hold the evangelistic
meeting because to hold
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the evangelistic
meeting, it is expensive.
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Sometime it cost money.
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But for our
evangelistic meeting,
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we spend like, 1,500 to
1,800 or 2,000 US dollar.
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But still sometime
we may not have money.
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So what we will do,
some places we will hire
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a marriage hall because
in the month of January,
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in the month of July, August,
in the month of November,
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no marriage will
happen in the months.
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And this has to
do with a little bit
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of the
superstitions of people thinking
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its bad luck to get
married in those months.
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You are right. You are right.
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So what a better place to
have an evangelistic meeting
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than in a marriage
hall and introduce people
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to the--to the bride
of Christ in the church,
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yeah, to get
married, married to Christ.
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That's wonderful.
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So in 2012, how many
baptisms have taken place?
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In 2012, we given
through our ministry
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there are 624
baptisms. 624 baptisms.
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When I was there,
just a couple weeks ago
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with you in India,
you had some baptisms.
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In fact, wasn't plan to anything
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because I was there it was like,
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you were even surprised like,
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"Oh, these people can
baptize this week, this Sabbath.
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I didn't know that.
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What was the situation with them
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and how many
people were baptized?
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Nine people were taken
baptism that day because usually
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we will tell our Bible workers,
at the end of the month,
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the last week, the
fourth week we usually
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have the baptism because
we encourage the Bible workers
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before they come
for giving the report
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or getting the
salary, they have to finish
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that month work,
giving Bible study
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and all the target they have to,
because they have assignment.
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It is not a
compulsory, but it is assignment
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we have given to
each Bible workers.
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It is not simply they
cannot-- we cannot do because
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our God is a God
of law and order.
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So we have given, okay every
month you'll have this target,
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this house--
this many house and--
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So it's almost what I've
noticed is certain things
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happened certain
months. You're right.
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Evangelism happens certain month
because of the marriage halls
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being available or
sometimes evangelism
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happens maybe in
different situations, too.
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And then baptisms
happen certain months.
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So far in 2013, how many people
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have been
baptized so far this year?
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And this is like
we're in April right now.
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So how many people
have been baptized so far?
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Very, 38 baptisms we did.
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38 baptisms. And
it's really important
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for our viewers to
understand that as you caught
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what Pastor Johnson want
to saying is these people
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were not the kind of
people that could baptized
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then through the
cracks, these are people
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who are grounded and
understanding Bible truth.
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In connection with
what we're talking about
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we had an
interesting evangelistic series
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that happened in Vellore, India.
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And Vellore, India
of course of anybody
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has been in South Indians knows
that this is a kind of like
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a place where
Christian missionary years ago
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established a medical college.
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And so there is a
hospital there and there is lot
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of professional people,
nurses and doctors and such.
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And there was a particular
doctor there that had an idea
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whose longtime
friends with Pastor Shadrach.
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What did you and Pastor Shadrach
and these medical professionals
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do in Vellore here
just a few months ago?
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Generally Pastor
Shadrach and myself
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we have a different strategy.
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For the
northern part of Chennai,
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we have a different strategy,
for southern part of Chennai
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we have different strategy.
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When you say different strategy
you mean you're still agree
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with each other,
but you have different
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way of implanting what you do?
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Yes, implanting the work.
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I got you. Yeah, implementation
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because we cannot work in
the northern part of Chennai
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same like
southern part of Chennai.
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And the reason for that?
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It's for the people because
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northern part is working class.
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Like, fisherman. Fisherman.
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And builders and
maybe kind of a little
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rougher town
part of town, right?
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Town. And the southern
part, it is a middle class
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and the IT people and all that.
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Well, professional people.
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So we have a strategy
to implement each place.
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So on that one,
last year 2012 and 2011,
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Pastor Shadrach is one
of the powerful preacher
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and he always
invited by many people
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around India and abroad also.
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So Vellore is unique place.
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All our Adventist doctors,
they gathered and the students,
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their passion to
reach the non-Adventist.
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Because there we
don't need a Bible study
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because everybody
knows Jesus and all that.
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So here Dr. Anand and
his team member's goal
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is to share the Three Angels
Message also the Sabbath truth.
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So then Dr. Anand called
me, what's your schedule?
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Then we discussed,
Pastor Shadrach and myself,
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then we had a
discussion with them.
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So they told their
passion is to reach
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the non-Adventist
with the Sabbath truth.
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So what they decided to do
is have a series of meetings
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that Pastor Shadrach
every evening would speak
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just upon the
principles of the Sabbath.
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And then in the afternoon
he was holding meetings
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on the Book of
Daniel or something
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like that in the mornings.
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How many people
actually attended these meetings
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knowing that there
was going to be about
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the Seventh-day Sabbath?
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Usually they--usually when
we have the meeting like that,
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people the
attendance will be kind of less,
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but because of this ground
work they hired a marriage hall.
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The marriage house--
hall was full, overflow.
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It is almost like, 350 people.
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Yeah, Dr. Anand was
talking about people
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were on the sides of
the walls and in the back.
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And there was
quite a number of people
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and these are all
non-Seventh-day Adventist
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people that signed
like, information cards,
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showing that
they had an interest.
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How many people signed cards?
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It is the 75 people they were--
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75 people? 75 people.
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And also they have a baptism
and are the few very good people
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they gave their hugs to Jesus.
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And there are few
people that you also met them
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and they are on
the way of decision
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to take a baptism soon.
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Let's really quickly
just take our viewing audience
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to Vellore and meet Dr. Anand.
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And let's go there really quick.
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So how did this meeting start?
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I was invited by Dr.
Anand for meeting here to speak,
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this is from Laymen Ministries.
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And Pastor Dr. Anand
and many of his friends,
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the Vivek and several
others from the church here,
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they planned for this meeting.
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So you said you're gonna try
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a different
approach with these meetings.
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What was that approach?
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Yeah, normally we
have--we try to present
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many of our doctrines
in the second meeting.
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We talk about State of the Dead,
we talk about Second Coming,
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we talk about
Millennium and by doing,
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then we present Sabbath.
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We don't have enough time
to present one topic fully.
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So then we thought we'll
have a bit different approach.
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We thought we-- we
had meetings for five days
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and we thought we would present
Sabbath around five days.
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So we were able
to cover the topic
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in this entire day
as much as possible.
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So you had the
meetings for five nights
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and you were gonna focus just
on the Sabbath in the evenings.
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And we are doing any meetings
then during the day or two or--
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Yes, we had Bible
study during the day time.
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Not many people could
come because people go to work,
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but quite a few people came.
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And so in the evening meetings
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how many people show that?
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Evening meeting around
300 and some times more.
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The hall was full.
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I mean, the
capacity was only around 250.
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When I went to invite my
friends for these meetings,
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people were very
intrigued by the title
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because the title
was, "what the Bible says."
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It was in Tamil, of course.
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So there were kind of intrigued
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does to what the
Bible really says.
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And the topics when I just
handout--handed out this flyer
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and handed out to
one of my friends,
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the first title was
"God's Love Letter."
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And he was kind of taken away.
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What is this
love letter from God?
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I want to just
come to, listen to that
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talk--that's that
talk, but through--
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Even though the
predominant theme was Sabbath,
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but it was so
beautifully kind of incorporated
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into other
beautiful truths of the Bible
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that people just
came in to find out
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what the one of
God really has to say.
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And that's my bit that
I put in, nothing much.
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Yeah, before pastor started
out with this Bible topic,
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we gave a short health
talk which is applicable
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for our people
here in the local area.
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Talked about balanced
diet and kind of nutrition,
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how to take care of joint
pains and things like that.
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So everyday we had a short
talk about for half an hour.
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So can I ask you a question?
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Do you believe in Jesus Christ?
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Yeah, definitely.
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Do you believe in the Sabbath?
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Yeah. Do you believe
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that He's gonna come very soon?
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Yeah, definitely.
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So you're an
Adventist, you just don't know.
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Because one thing--
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You know, I find
it really exciting
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when I hear about lay people
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getting involved
with church work.
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You know, it's
like, a lot of times
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we have this mentality
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that the pastors, the
one that's got to go out
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and do the ministry, but
really the responsibility
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for ministry rests upon
the laity of the church.
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And when I hear about lay people
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like yourself getting involved,
teaming up with someone
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who's an evangelist
like, Pastor Shadrach
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special thing for me is a real
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blessing to hear about that.
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When I met with these people
I was just so excited because
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it filled my heart to see that
these people are not pastors,
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these people
were just lay people,
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just lay people in the
church that had a burden
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on their heart to do evangelism,
using lay people and connection
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with some
pastors doing visitation,
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going out-- doing like the work
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of the Bible
workers and then holding
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the special kind of meetings
that reminded me of a statement
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by our Former
General Conference President
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at the
Seventh-day Adventist Church.
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I'd like to read it
to you really quickly.
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Good. It's taken
from 1912 in March
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at the Ministry Institute
Los Angeles, California.
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A. G. Daniells who was then
the General Conference President
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of the Seventh-day Adventist
Church made this assessment
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between the work of the laity
and the clergy in Adventism.
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This is what he says.
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"We have not settled
ministers over our churches
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as pastors to any large extent.
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In some of the
very large churches
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we have elected
pastors, but as a rule
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we have held ourselves ready
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for field
service, evangelistic work,
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and our brethren and
sisters have held themselves
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ready to maintain their church
services and carry forward
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their church work
without settled pastors."
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So he is saying that
the pastors basically
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and the church leaders
were out doing evangelism
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and doing visitation and things
like that and the lay people
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were running the church
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and taking care
of the Bible studies.
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And then he goes on to say this.
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"And I hope this will never
cease to be the order of affairs
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in this
denomination, for when we cease
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our forward movement
and begin to settle over
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our churches, to stay by them."
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And he is talking
about the pastors.
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"To stay by them,
settle over the churches,
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do their thinking and
their praying and their work
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that is to be
done, then the churches
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will begin to
weaken, and to lose
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their life and
spirit, and become paralyzed
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and fossilized and our
work will be on the retreat."
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And I thought what
a prophetic statement.
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You know, when
the pastor assumed
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all the responsibilities of
the church and the lay people
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just sit back and do nothing,
put some money in offering plate
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and complaining about
whether the pastor preached
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a good sermon or not, just
like that whole view distorted.
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And what we've
initiated as Laymen Ministries
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in India is to
change that whole principle
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to get the lay people
involved with evangelism.
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And also for your information,
they're all doctors there,
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Vellore Christian
Medical Hospital and College.
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It is a very huge system.
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They have hundreds of beds
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and it's a-- The
patient come throughout India.
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So the point is, the
doctors are very busy,
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but in spite of that
they have taken a time.
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And now for your
information this coming summer
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they are planning
for English congregation
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to reach the
English speaking people.
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Like the English
speaking educated
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people in that area there?
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Right. Right. So our ministry
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is kind of two-fold.
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We work in some areas
with the poor and uneducated
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and then in other
areas we're working
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with very professional
people, very educated people
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which is really a big blessing
to be able to have such spectrum
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of different
people to be working with.
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While I was there,
there was a interesting
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situation took
place with an arise,
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shine kind of like, your
Revival Evangelistic Series
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took place by that
Chennai International Airport.
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And tell us a little bit
about how did that little group
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get established there,
visually like a year or two ago
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and how the lay people
got involved and how Shadrach
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was preaching
there doing evangelism.
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In the year 2007, we
had evangelistic meeting,
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very close to that airport.
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Due to some reason we were
not able to conduct a church
00:19:11.90\00:19:18.64
in that place
because the local people
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were kind of,
they are not giving
00:19:21.50\00:19:22.96
the place to hold
a worship service.
00:19:22.99\00:19:26.48
So we decided in spite of
that very close to the airport,
00:19:26.51\00:19:32.25
we wanted to move
a little bit away.
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So we moved away and did
a ground work four months.
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With Bible workers?
With our Bible workers.
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And as I said
earlier, in this place
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we didn't have any
evangelistic meeting.
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At the end of the fourth month,
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we hired a place,
and in that meeting hall
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we arranged a
meeting and at the end,
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people almost 32
people took baptism.
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Wow, as they established
kind of like a small company,
00:20:01.90\00:20:04.63
there a small new church.
00:20:04.66\00:20:06.32
And so these people then
just after they were baptized
00:20:06.35\00:20:10.49
and such became
bored and set around,
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twiddle their thumbs
and didn't do anything?
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No. What happened is, the
two things I want to share.
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Number one, that small church
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now the offering is every
month it is $400, US dollar.
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For India, that's a lot.
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That's a huge dollar.
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So these people became active.
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Yes. And so what
was the next point?
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The next point is when you came,
00:20:32.26\00:20:34.91
they want to have a
honor the Laymen Ministry
00:20:34.94\00:20:39.09
and also they want to witness
their neighbors, what a Sabbath.
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So in spite of that
meeting in the church,
00:20:45.08\00:20:48.94
the one layman who
took a baptism recently
00:20:48.97\00:20:53.59
through our evangelist meeting
and the Bible worker visitation,
00:20:53.62\00:20:58.50
he spend his own
money, put a shed,
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arranged the
food for the Sabbath,
00:21:03.07\00:21:05.47
potluck lunch kind of like that.
00:21:05.50\00:21:08.24
He arranged
everything at his own expense.
00:21:08.27\00:21:12.08
And it was a
wonderful experience.
00:21:12.11\00:21:14.96
And I know the
time is very short,
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otherwise I can share a story.
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His name is Raman.
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Raman is a Hindu God.
00:21:22.15\00:21:24.02
And he and his wife
and they have two children,
00:21:24.05\00:21:27.12
but his two
children are not easy,
00:21:27.15\00:21:31.22
they're like a dada's.
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Now they're kind of gangsters.
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Gangsters, you're right.
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You said-- I think I met them.
00:21:36.89\00:21:38.30
Actually they're bodybuilders.
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Very good strong guys.
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Yeah, very strong guys.
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And one fine
day, when Mrs. Raman
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is on the market,
they met our Bible workers
00:21:48.13\00:21:51.62
and the Bible
workers went to their home
00:21:51.65\00:21:54.46
and they prayed and
when they went next time,
00:21:54.49\00:21:57.60
the youngest son took a drug.
00:21:57.63\00:22:01.40
He's taking drugs
and drinking alcohol?
00:22:01.43\00:22:03.40
Alcohol and lying on the ground.
00:22:03.43\00:22:05.65
And our Bible workers they're
kind of fear and crossing him
00:22:05.68\00:22:11.63
and stepping over him
and entering into the home.
00:22:11.66\00:22:16.05
Then "Who is that
entering into my home?"
00:22:16.08\00:22:19.36
He woke up. Woke up.
00:22:19.39\00:22:20.73
And shouted, "Get
lost." We don't--"
00:22:20.76\00:22:24.35
He actually threatened
to kill the Bible worker.
00:22:24.38\00:22:26.21
Bible workers. "We
don't need a prayer.
00:22:26.24\00:22:28.50
We don't want anything.
00:22:28.53\00:22:30.55
Just go out." Then our
Bible worker got scared.
00:22:30.58\00:22:35.55
They slowly
came. Then Mrs. Raman
00:22:35.58\00:22:39.28
will call our Bible workers.
00:22:39.31\00:22:40.84
"Oh, my son is not here.
00:22:40.87\00:22:42.87
So please come."
00:22:42.90\00:22:44.40
Then our Bible
workers will go then they go,
00:22:44.43\00:22:48.18
then they were
giving Bible study,
00:22:48.21\00:22:49.45
this fellow will come, all
with the full alcohol and drug.
00:22:49.48\00:22:54.60
And threatening again.
00:22:54.63\00:22:55.66
Threatening again.
00:22:55.69\00:22:56.83
One day our
pastor, the supervisor
00:22:56.86\00:22:59.02
he saw his younger son and ran.
00:22:59.05\00:23:04.53
And finally it is
because of the Bible workers'
00:23:04.56\00:23:08.04
prayed honestly,
they took a fasting
00:23:08.07\00:23:10.50
and prayed then they
got released from the jail.
00:23:10.53\00:23:16.01
And now they're
very happy and sons
00:23:16.04\00:23:19.45
were studying in our school.
00:23:19.48\00:23:20.58
They started Bible
studies with the Bible workers.
00:23:20.61\00:23:22.41
You're right.
And when I was there
00:23:22.44\00:23:23.89
I met the one older
brother and he and his wife
00:23:23.92\00:23:27.18
they told us in fact like to
cut away to that really quick
00:23:27.21\00:23:30.75
just now and we just
share with you what he said.
00:23:30.78\00:23:33.51
So our Bible
workers just showed up
00:23:33.54\00:23:35.47
and these are the two
Bible workers that actually
00:23:35.50\00:23:37.09
came to the house
here and visited them.
00:23:37.12\00:23:39.06
Was it like two years ago now?
00:23:39.09\00:23:40.87
Three years ago? Two years.
00:23:40.90\00:23:42.63
Two years ago.
And Pastor Johnson,
00:23:42.66\00:23:46.28
tell us about these
Bible workers here and--
00:23:46.31\00:23:49.11
Her name is Saundary
and her name is Rosemary.
00:23:49.14\00:23:53.14
Rosemary. This
both Bible workers
00:23:53.17\00:23:55.96
met Mrs. Sarah in the market.
00:23:55.99\00:23:59.75
"Shall we come to your home?"
00:23:59.78\00:24:01.83
Then they came to the home.
00:24:01.86\00:24:05.33
Why does she ask
them to come to the home?
00:24:05.36\00:24:07.53
Because of the
challenges in the home.
00:24:07.56\00:24:10.00
If you pray, God
will take away everything.
00:24:10.03\00:24:13.00
When your Bible
workers came to the home,
00:24:13.03\00:24:15.35
we well received
by the whole family?
00:24:15.38\00:24:17.88
No. It is because
everyday whenever they come,
00:24:17.91\00:24:24.33
they come with
the fear because but--
00:24:24.36\00:24:28.65
Why did they have a fear?
00:24:28.68\00:24:29.97
And the fear is
brother in those days
00:24:30.00\00:24:33.23
he was-- He and his
younger brother addicted
00:24:33.26\00:24:37.36
to lot of
alcohol and other things.
00:24:37.39\00:24:39.44
And you said they
were bodybuilders and--
00:24:39.47\00:24:41.06
And they were bodybuilder,
very strong personality.
00:24:41.09\00:24:43.84
So that's way
they were kind of fear.
00:24:43.87\00:24:46.24
And Pastor Joseph is the one
00:24:46.27\00:24:48.55
that leads out
our team here, right?
00:24:48.58\00:24:50.20
Coordinating, yeah.
00:24:50.23\00:24:51.75
And so we have two
teams of Bible workers.
00:24:51.78\00:24:54.06
This is Team B
they call it, right?
00:24:54.09\00:24:56.57
Laymen Ministries
Bible worker Team B.
00:24:56.60\00:24:58.83
You're right. Oh,
good. That's a blessing.
00:24:58.86\00:25:03.34
And when I heard
what he was sharing about
00:25:03.37\00:25:05.48
how they're happy
now and everything.
00:25:05.51\00:25:07.09
You could see how
Christ changed their lives.
00:25:07.12\00:25:09.95
Really quickly, we only have
just a little bit more time,
00:25:09.98\00:25:12.23
but let's talk about literature.
00:25:12.26\00:25:14.03
Because literature is a
really part of our ministry
00:25:14.06\00:25:16.32
there with our new center
we're gonna be able to have
00:25:16.35\00:25:19.15
a place now to consolidate
all of our literature,
00:25:19.18\00:25:21.44
pack it and box
it and ship it out
00:25:21.47\00:25:23.45
to all of the
different contacts like,
00:25:23.48\00:25:25.55
call the ministry regards
to the television programs
00:25:25.58\00:25:28.31
and the needs of
the Bible workers.
00:25:28.34\00:25:30.38
What do we currently have
available in the Tamil language
00:25:30.41\00:25:34.01
and what kind of
things do we need to print?
00:25:34.04\00:25:35.87
And how important is this
literature to our work there?
00:25:35.90\00:25:38.44
I feel publishing work
is very important because
00:25:38.47\00:25:44.30
the print material
will be in the home.
00:25:44.33\00:25:48.36
When they're kind of trouble,
they will take and read it.
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So kind of example.
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Great
Controversy, Desire of Ages,
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Steps to Christ and
our ministry is a first one
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who initiated to
print in Tamil language.
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And now we have out of stock.
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So right now we need to reprint
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some of these
little-- some of these books
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and you have I've
talked about printing
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the Desire of Ages like
in a series of smaller books
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and Great Controversy in
a series of smaller books
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and we've
printed Steps to Christ,
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I think two maybe three times
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now in the last 10,
12 years. You're right.
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These books need to be reprint.
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They're valuable.
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Aren't they for our work there?
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Yes, very important
because for the TV viewers,
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for the door-to-door evangelisms
for our evangelistic meeting
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and also we are
sending books to Sri Lanka,
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France, Italy Middle East.
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There's Tamil speaking people
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all over the
world, and in Malaysia.
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Malaysia,
Australia. We need books.
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And to print Great Controversy,
kind of a great hope.
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It cost a 40 cent for each book.
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And we are planning for a 5,000.
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And so this will be
5,000 each little small books.
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Small books. So
the Great Controversy
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we broken up like
five parts probably.
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You're right. So how much would
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that cost altogether to?
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Together maybe
like 10,000 US dollars.
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10,000 US dollars and
same for Desire of Ages.
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Yeah, same thing like that.
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And Steps to Christ
is an invaluable book.
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I mean, we really need that.
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How much would
it cost to do 5,000
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small great Steps to Christ?
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That is 5,000 US dollar.
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Our time is up. Pastor Johnson,
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it's always great to
have you here with us.
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And if you want to get this
whole two part series on a DVD,
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you can contact to our
ministry at Laymen Ministries,
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414 Zapada Rd.,
Saint Maries, Idaho 83861
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or you can all us
at our toll free number
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in that states
at 1-800-245-1844,
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or get us on
web at, www.lmn.org.
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