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- We're glad you could join us
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with the new episode
of Layman Ministries.
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We have Dr. Johnson
visiting from India.
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He's a longtime
friend and worker,
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co-worker together in India.
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And we've been talking
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about some of
the different things
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going on with our
projects in Southern India.
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But today we're gonna focus
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on our television
ministry and pastor Johnson,
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I don't think people realize
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how powerful this
media is and years ago,
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oh, I can't
remember how long ago it was.
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We talked about
starting a television ministry
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and Layman Ministries
actually is the pioneer.
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- It's a pioneering
in Indian church history,
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Southern Asia history.
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- When did we first started
making television programs?
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Do you remember?
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- We started in 2002.
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- 2002.
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- Two February.
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- And as we mentioned in
one of our other programs,
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we had a lot of problems
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when we first got started,
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not so much with
the presentations
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or the topics or the content,
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but with the fact that we had
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to hire out studio time
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and that turned to
be a major problem,
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because if you did
the television program
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at a certain like, Christian
based television ministry,
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and you started
touching on certain topics,
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they would get kind of nervous.
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And then if you go
to a secular place,
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they say, you have
to be here at this time
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and you have to
only one hour and a half
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to try to do your video shoot.
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And if something went wrong
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and the person had
to start over again,
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then they either
didn't finish the program
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or you had to come back
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and reschedule
and pay more money.
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So what was our
remedy for this problem?
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- I was telling you
then whenever I came here,
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I record for the
six months program.
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You remember the
first time we recorded
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almost 28 program,
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then the second time
I recorded 64 program.
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- I remember you
were kind of looking
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at the studio and
here and you were saying,
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'sir, why can't we
build one of these in India?'
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- India.
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- And by the way,
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when he first started shooting
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his Tamil language
programs in our studio,
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people were
coming to him and saying,
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where's your really
fancy office at, you know,
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cause we had a
really nice set here
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that looked like an office,
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but anyhow, so
what ended up happening.
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- Then after that we were
sharing, starting a studio,
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building a studio
in the city of Chennai
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so that we can produce a
different kinds of program,
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the music, the
doctrinal, the prophecy,
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no, I mean, we
don't need to worry
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about the timing
only we can produce
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whatever the program.
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So at the end we were
able to build a studio
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in the city of Chennai.
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- Yeah and how long
ago now has the studio
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been up right there?
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- This studio
it's over nine years.
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- And we have young men
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that are really
talented and capable
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helping us with building
sets and shooting video.
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And they've been doing
quite a bit of production.
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One of the
things I was wondering
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is where are we today
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as far as our video production
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and how is it going
out in different ways?
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- Our studio is
very busy by God's grace
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because you have
helped us to build a studio,
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purchase the property
and build a studio equipment.
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And we have to be very cautious.
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So today we are producing
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for our weekly
television program.
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Then we are producing program
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for our social media
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because we are
focusing in the social media,
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missionary life and the
health and Bible character.
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So we are producing many program
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and also we are focusing
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four language program we
are producing in our studio.
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- And some of our programs
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we're presenting straight
three angels messages too.
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- You are right.
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- The straight
truths of the scripture.
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- Yes, because pastor Shadrach,
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one of the leading
evangelists in our church,
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he focused on the
doctrinal base and it is a very.
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- He's a powerful speaker.
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- Yes.
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- He's so soft and articulate
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on how he presents his subjects.
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- Yes.
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- The question I
always wondered, you know,
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we built this studio and
we are on several different
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satellite networks
and cable networks.
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People really
watching our programs.
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- Definitely of course.
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Imagine the first our program,
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we were in Raj TV.
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It is one of the leading
satellite channel in 2002.
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- Is it English or Tamil?
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- It is in Tamil language
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- Okay.
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- And then we were
in Vijay TV, Star Vijay.
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It is one of the
satellite channel.
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The footprint is almost goes
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to the middle east and Asia.
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Then we were in Jaya TV almost.
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We were in 10 years, no.
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- Over 10, longer than that.
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- Longer than that,
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it is belongs to
a political party
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and it is not
easy, 6:30 to 7:00.
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- But no problems with them?
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- No problem with that.
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And they have, it is
very good reach we had.
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- You know, I'm sure
somebody's probably thinking,
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well, that all sounds nice here
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on these big satellite networks
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and cable connections and
people could watch it overseas,
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but how do you know people
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are really
watching the programs?
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I mean, that's the
question that anybody
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that's in television,
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like how do we know?
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I mean, it's not like you can,
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click on a button on
the TV set and say like,
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you know, like
they do on Facebook.
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- Yeah.
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- So how do you know
people are actually watching?
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- It is very simple elder.
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The point is television channel.
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They have a competition
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because in India
over a 600 TV channels.
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So it is very competition.
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Suppose now we
are in a Velicham TV.
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- Prime time slot.
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- Yeah, we are in prime time.
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We are in light TV.
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So in that TV,
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we were in 7:00 to 7:30
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suppose if in that time,
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if people are not
watching the TRP rate,
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that is a
television rating given
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by information
broadcasting ministry.
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So they are the
one who approving.
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So if there is no TRP rating,
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they will tell this
channel has no good.
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You got idea.
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- Yeah, I got it so
what he is basically saying
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is that, you know,
different programs are rated.
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And if you have poor ratings
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and you're in a primetime slot
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and people aren't watching,
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that means it affects
the networks advertising
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for that section.
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- Advertise, you are right.
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- But if your programs
really being watched a lot,
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then they're
gonna keep you there
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because it helps them
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to promote their advertising,
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which is the way they
support their networks.
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But more than that,
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do you have people
contacting the ministry?
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I mean, what
kind of effect is this
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having personally with people?
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- Okay, this is one thing.
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This is the thing is
about the television rating.
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- The rating system.
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- Rating is that is one
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in a commercial
world we are talking.
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The secondly
people call us in prayer
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because we have
a prayer line 24/7
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in Kodambakkam church.
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We have the number.
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- So people calling
in from the program.
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- Yeah, people
call and also we have
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four Bible workers,
the elderly Bible worker.
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- Almost like
semi-retired workers.
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- Yes.
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They're not able to walk
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maybe too much or something.
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- Oh, so you have them stationed
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to answer phone calls.
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- Phone calls, and
not only answering,
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they have to morning,
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they have to come nine o'clock
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and they will stay there.
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Pray for various
need, pray for the world,
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pray for the
revival and the church.
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- This is a
great way to have some
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of our senior Bible
workers who in retirement age.
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- Yes.
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- To continue in ministry.
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And it's actually really good
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because they're the ones
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that know their
Bibles the very best.
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- Yeah.
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- Because they were
Bible workers for years.
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So when people call up
and they have a question,
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about the Sabbath
or something like that,
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they can answer.
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But you have any
examples of things
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that have happened
where the Bible workers
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have interfaced with
some of these programs.
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- Yes recently, even
recently what happened,
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it is in 2022 in
the month of February,
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one person called in the morning
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and they were non-Christian
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and they were actually,
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they were very close to our,
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in the central part of Chennai,
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they were very
close and they called
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and the lady was crying.
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Then the Bible
worker gave my number
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and then they
called me and crying.
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Then I asked her what happened?
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Then she said, my
husband is not feeling well.
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And the whole
family and depend upon him.
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He has to do work.
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Otherwise we have no food.
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We cannot pay a rent.
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- If he's sick and he
can't provide for the family.
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- Yes, then I
asked what happened
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then it is he's talking,
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he's not sleeping properly.
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He's talking and talking
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something about
people who died in the past.
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Then we found out
it is a Demon possesed.
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- Oh, sorry.
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He was more than just depressed.
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But he was actually being
Demon harassed or something.
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- Demon, yes.
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And also they have
taken to the hospitals
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the doctor gave a medicine,
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but it is not working.
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They went to many places for.
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- Let's talk just don't
lose your train of thought
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where you're at in the story.
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- Okay.
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- But the one
question people always ask
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is why is there so much of
this kind of stuff in India?
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We don't see it in America.
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Truth is it happens in America,
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but we always just write
it off as a mental problem.
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You know, they have psychiatric
problems or something,
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but you and I have witnessed
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more than once Demon possession.
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And I remember one time
I was visiting a church.
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- Yes.
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- And our cameraman
Michael was running this
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and he was just
running the camera
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and a lady came
in and was trying to
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almost attack after Shadrach.
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- Yeah.
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- And he called on
the name of the Lord
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and yeah it was
a frightening thing
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to see happen.
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And it's because
there's so much spiritualism,
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I think in India that you
see a lot more outward activity.
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So back to the story
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about the guy that's
having Demon possession problem.
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- So they have
taken to the hospital,
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they have taken
to different places,
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but it was not working.
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So I said, don't worry.
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I will send the
Bible workers immediately.
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Two Bible workers, Devora,
Acknes they went to the home
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and they prayed,
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but it is not listening.
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It is not meant that
guy is name is Money Hendon.
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- His what?
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- His name is Money Heden.
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- Oh, okay.
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- He's not
listening to the Bible workers
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because when
they started to pray,
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he is shouting and.
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- The Demon activity started.
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- So then they informed us.
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Then we told the Bible workers,
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okay, come to the
church, we all pray.
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So took a fasting and
prayed over two hours.
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- Prayed over two hours.
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- Two hours.
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- And the Demon just went away.
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- Yeah and even
when we were praying,
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he stood up and he
started to preaching to us.
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You can see the
picture I have said,
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because when we were praying,
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he started to stand
and holding the Bible.
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And in the Bible,
he's telling everything
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as though, even
sometimes we don't know,
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but he's telling everything
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from the Bible that
guy never know about Bible,
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but he's telling everything.
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- Well, after all
this, did he become normal?
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- No when we were
praying the whole Bible workers,
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we were all praying.
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That guy stood and
hold the Bible like that.
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And he started
to tell about Bible
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about what happened in the Bible
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and all that one he is telling.
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The reason is it will pretend
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when you pray more,
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it will pretend,
the devil will pretend.
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- The devil will what?
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- Devil will kind of.
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- Get agitated or.?
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- Not agitating.
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It will show,
oh, I'm not a devil.
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I'm a guy who know Bible.
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- So this is
kind of like the story
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that Jesus said that in order
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to cast out
certain demons like this,
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it takes much
prayer and fasting.
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Remember the words of Christ?
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- Yes, yes.
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Because it will, when
you see very soft way,
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like very soft.
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it'll talk Jesus days.
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So we will think
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that the demo has gone
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so we can close the prayer
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and we can go .
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- Move forward.
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- No, no.
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- It didn't happen that way.
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It will happen.
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- So what happened?
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- So then after
that, we were again,
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praying then
holding Bible in his head
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and everybody praying.
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Then at the end, I will not go.
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She, the devil said,
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no, you have to
go now , then slowly.
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Then it went now
the following week,
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they have taken a baptism.
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Now they are
attending in the church.
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- And is he normal now?
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- Yes. It's not normal.
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- So this is not something
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that's a psychiatric problem.
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This is something
that after the demon left,
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then his whole personality
and everything changed
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back to normal
the way he used to be.
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Is he able to provide
for his family now take?
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- Well, he will come
to the church on Saturday
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and work on Sunday
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and he's giving
ties and offering.
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And he's very active
and very energetic now.
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The whole family
is very happy now.
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- Yeah. You know,
we always tell people
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that television can
go where no man can go
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because it can be late at night.
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Somebody's having distress,
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a lot of problems in their life.
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They maybe
contemplating suicide,
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which we deal with a lot
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with the prayer hotline,
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they start changing the channels
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and crying like that.
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And they come
across one of our programs.
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We would never
have the opportunity
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to meet that person and
come close to that person
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in just regular life.
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- You are right.
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- But the television allows us
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to enter right
into a person's home,
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right into their
own personal space,
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right into their
own personal problem.
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- The major emphasis
I'm here I want to share
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is television still, I mean,
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those social media,
other things are taking lead,
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but like in the villages,
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remote area
where internet is very,
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not very speed and dark.
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- But people have TV, antennas.
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- TV, antenna, and the elder.
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- I've seen like little
grass shack with a dirt floor.
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- Yes.
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- And they have a TV antenna.
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- And also the eldest,
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they don't like to
watch in the small one
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like this and
that, and people focus.
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So television is a powerful
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and also other television,
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the Layman ministry,
we are in cable also,
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but that all small thing,
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but we are in two major network.
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The footprint is in
the whole world action say.
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- Yeah, you were saying,
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and I know this for a fact too,
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because people have
communicated with me
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that Tamil speaking people
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living in
Australia or in Singapore.
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- Yes, or middle east.
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- Malaysia.
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- In America.
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- They are
contacting us with emails
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and such and saying
we've watched your programs.
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And they're, it's
amazing to me how television
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can go into all
these different homes
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and just reach different people.
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And we're
basically have a footprint
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around the world
with satellite television.
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How many languages
are we doing right now?
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- Right now we
are in the television.
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We are focusing two
language Tamil and Telugu.
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- Do we have any
English language programs?
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- English is a
in the social media,
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we are having.
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- Okay cause we used to
have a English language program
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with good news
television, I thought.
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- Yes.
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- But I think Covid
kind of slowed that down.
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- Yes, yeah. Slowed down.
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- Can you just kind of share
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with our viewers about
how the whole system works?
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Every video we make,
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we always share this,
but it's a a foolproof system
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that works that God has blessed.
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How do the Bible workers,
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the TV programs, the literature,
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and all that fit
together in a package?
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- That is a blessing of
this television evangelism,
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because this is sowing
the seed to every homes,
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wherever it is going
then after sowing the seed,
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when the people call
will take the address
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and will see where
the many calls are coming.
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Suppose like from this place
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where many people are
calling like 2,500 people
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are calling every
week like that, then okay.
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We have a
evangelistic meeting there.
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- So sometimes you have
like a lot of people calling
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from certain areas.
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That's interesting.
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- So that's why we
will choose the place.
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Okay, here we will go there.
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- So the Bible
workers start working
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that area two by two.
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- Start working
that area two by two,
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then they will say, okay,
00:17:33.72\00:17:35.32
we are coming from
this television program.
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- When the
people answer the door
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and they say that the people
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know who they are then.
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- Yes.
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- Wow.
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- Yeah, that is a blessing.
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- So that shows that
people are really watching.
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- Really watching.
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We know about that
program and all that.
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So then after that,
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after the evangelistic meeting,
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then what we'll do,
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we'll start a
church, temporary church.
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Then after one year,
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the church will
become a permanent then.
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- So we actually buy
some property and build.
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- Property and build a church.
00:18:02.74\00:18:04.28
- In this system we
have with the Bible workers
00:18:04.28\00:18:06.38
and also with people
sending out literature.
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How many
churches do you estimate
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that since we've
been working in India
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for 25, 30 years,
how many churches?
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Any rough idea?
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- The thing is we have started
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over as 60 churches.
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- Six zero?
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- Six zero, 60
Churches because of this system
00:18:23.93\00:18:26.17
with our television
ministry and with our Bible
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and we have 60
Bible workers, right?
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- Yes, 60 Bible workers.
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- It's funny, we've been 60
churches and 60 Bible workers.
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- Bible workers.
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But you have to
understand one thing
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since if you
calculate, since 2000,
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if you calculate how
many towns and villages
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we handed that is more
than three to 400 places.
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- Wow.
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- We have entered.
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But the problem
is in some places
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we were not able to
start a temporary church.
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We were not because the
place is very expensive,
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then we cannot do anything.
00:19:03.34\00:19:04.81
So honestly, this number
is only a small number, but.
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- Is a fraction.
00:19:09.31\00:19:10.51
- Yeah, but we have
entered into the most
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of the villages and towns,
00:19:16.08\00:19:18.09
particularly in the
Northern part of Tamil Nadu
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that is Chennai, Chinglepet,
00:19:21.86\00:19:24.83
Tiruvallur all that area.
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We have entered each.
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So it will go
hundreds of villages in time.
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- You know, in our studio,
00:19:32.43\00:19:33.84
we have these young men
and they're really talented.
00:19:33.84\00:19:36.30
And I tell them they're
kind of geeky, you know,
00:19:36.30\00:19:39.67
they're techy guys.
00:19:39.67\00:19:41.01
And I'm attracted
to those kind of people
00:19:41.01\00:19:43.88
because I like
techy stuff myself.
00:19:43.88\00:19:46.75
But they have been
really encouraging us
00:19:46.75\00:19:49.92
for a long time to get involved
00:19:49.92\00:19:51.09
with YouTube and social media.
00:19:51.09\00:19:52.59
And we know that this is a
way to reach younger people.
00:19:52.59\00:19:56.29
And so what has
our ministry done
00:19:56.29\00:19:57.96
in the way of like social
media with YouTube and such?
00:19:57.96\00:20:00.76
And is it being
successful at all?
00:20:00.76\00:20:03.03
- It is successful.
00:20:03.03\00:20:04.73
The reason is right now,
00:20:04.73\00:20:06.67
currently we are producing
00:20:06.67\00:20:09.30
in almost seven
different kinds of program
00:20:09.30\00:20:13.31
for YouTube viewers.
00:20:13.31\00:20:16.14
It is a very short every day.
00:20:16.14\00:20:19.71
One of the school
teacher Mrs. Sheba Apollo,
00:20:19.71\00:20:24.99
she's producing a very
short three minutes program
00:20:26.05\00:20:28.76
to attract the young people.
00:20:28.76\00:20:31.36
Those who are working in.
00:20:31.36\00:20:32.96
- And we
getting quite a few hits
00:20:32.96\00:20:33.83
on these YouTube videos.
00:20:33.83\00:20:35.46
- Yeah, it is.
00:20:35.46\00:20:36.70
- And this is on
the YouTube channel
00:20:36.70\00:20:37.67
called Layman ministries, India,
00:20:37.67\00:20:39.00
but we actually have like
00:20:39.00\00:20:40.87
three or four
YouTube channels, don't we?
00:20:40.87\00:20:42.80
- We have five YouTube channels.
00:20:42.80\00:20:45.37
- Five YouTube channles?
00:20:45.37\00:20:46.44
- Five YouTube channels.
00:20:46.44\00:20:47.64
The main YouTube
channel called Laymen MTV.
00:20:47.64\00:20:49.41
- LMN Tv, huh?
00:20:51.71\00:20:53.21
- Laymen Ministry TV
that is have a subscription
00:20:53.21\00:20:57.65
of over 23,000.
00:20:58.29\00:21:00.49
It is a good subscription
because we have focused
00:21:00.49\00:21:03.36
only for Tamil.
00:21:03.36\00:21:04.83
Then Telugu program.
00:21:04.83\00:21:07.93
Then for Nepal language program,
00:21:07.93\00:21:10.47
then we have a prayer every day,
00:21:10.47\00:21:13.84
morning, afternoon, evening
00:21:13.84\00:21:15.80
that we call 365 prayer live.
00:21:15.80\00:21:19.87
That means only prayer we
focus on that YouTube channel.
00:21:23.38\00:21:27.52
- And how does that
work on a YouTube channel?
00:21:27.52\00:21:29.48
- That is morning, five to like.
00:21:29.48\00:21:31.59
- Is it like a
live presentation?
00:21:31.59\00:21:32.75
- Yeah, live in the Zoom.
00:21:32.75\00:21:33.99
- And so people can
get on their computer
00:21:33.99\00:21:36.49
and go to that YouTube channel
00:21:36.49\00:21:37.83
and join the prayer group.
00:21:37.83\00:21:39.46
- Yes.
00:21:39.46\00:21:40.30
- Interesting.
00:21:40.30\00:21:42.10
- It is in the smart
phone also they can join.
00:21:42.10\00:21:44.13
So morning five to six.
00:21:44.13\00:21:45.83
We five o'clock we
will have a prayer.
00:21:45.83\00:21:49.44
- Lot of church
members too tuning into that?
00:21:49.44\00:21:52.14
- Lot of church members.
00:21:52.14\00:21:53.38
For your
information from Sri Lanka,
00:21:53.38\00:21:55.04
people join from the Netherland,
00:21:55.04\00:21:56.71
many foreign
countries they join.
00:21:56.71\00:21:58.11
- Wow, interesting.
00:21:58.11\00:21:59.45
- It is very people joined.
00:21:59.45\00:22:00.25
- You told me one time there
00:22:00.25\00:22:01.58
was like hundreds of
people that come into that.
00:22:01.58\00:22:03.25
- Yes, yeah.
00:22:03.25\00:22:04.42
- It's a live
channel. Live broadcast.
00:22:04.42\00:22:06.02
- Yeah, it is for prayer.
00:22:06.02\00:22:09.06
Then we have a only
for evangelism activity.
00:22:09.06\00:22:13.86
It is a separate one
00:22:13.86\00:22:14.96
for evangelism
meeting and all that.
00:22:14.96\00:22:17.30
We have a separate one for that.
00:22:17.30\00:22:19.83
So that means we are very active
00:22:19.83\00:22:23.41
in this social media.
00:22:23.41\00:22:25.24
And also we've a health tips.
00:22:25.24\00:22:27.18
We have a music.
00:22:27.18\00:22:28.38
We have a life-changing one.
00:22:28.38\00:22:30.28
We have a cyber
school we are putting
00:22:31.15\00:22:32.58
so all that our
studio, young people,
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they are technician.
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They are active in producing
weekly television program
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for TV, cyber
school show, life changing,
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everyday promise
and a missionary story.
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And there are a
couple of program.
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It is reached
over half a million.
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- You know, getting
back to the question,
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how do we know
people are really watching?
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There's other
ways that we know too,
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not only by the
response and people asking
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for literature,
but like you said,
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you've had
situations where you're flying
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up to New Delhi and
you sit on the plane
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and the person
turns to you and says,
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'oh, you're Dr. Johnson.
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I've seen you on television.'
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Or like one time I was flying
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from Paris to Mumbai
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and I was sitting
next to Ellen G. White.
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Yeah, I really, I was
sitting next to Ellen G. White.
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She was an Indian lady
and her name was Ellen white.
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- Okay.
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- And I says, she
asked where I was going
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and what we do.
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And I told her
about projects in India.
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'Oh, I watch
programs all the time.
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I'm familiar.
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I know who Dr. Johnson is.'
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And so that's another thing.
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That's just kind of
like a little indicator
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that people are
watching because every person
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that contacts us
represents a percentage
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on a bigger basis
of how many people
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really watch the program.
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And so that's
pretty amazing to me
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to watch the growth of this
television ministry in India.
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- Also, that is a powerful
story recently happened.
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- Oh, just recent story?
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- Recent story,
pastor Shadrach Samuel
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is preaching in one of
the leading satellite channel.
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This is a Christian
channel called Good news.
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- Good news network.
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- And he preach in English.
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They translate into Telugu.
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So actually we
are in Tamil, English
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and Telugu like that.
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Anyway, the main
thing, here it is.
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He's Adi. His name is Adi.
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He's a non-Christian.
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And he had a
business, very big business,
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but there is a big story.
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He lost everything because
the story is in our magazine.
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So he lost.
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- Yeah, I think that
was like the last issue
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of our magazine.
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If we'll talk about that
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at the close of the
program, but go ahead tell them.
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- He lost everything.
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He lost everything because
of his partnership and all that.
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And one day he was
sitting in the home,
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he don't know what to do.
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And then he called his
uncle who is in Chennai.
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He's in Andhra
Pradesh and he's in Chennai.
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- His uncle's in Chennai.
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- Chennai.
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And so he called
and what happened?
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Why your voice
is so not energetic?
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What happened?
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Then he said,
'Uncle I lost everything.'
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Now, my family.
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- Hundreds of
thousands of dollars.
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- Dollars, and my
family, I have no respect.
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And now I cannot leave.
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Only I have to die.
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- You're gonna
commit suicide you think.
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- Commit suicide.
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And so I have no way.
00:25:36.03\00:25:37.50
Then he said, don't do it man.
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I give a number.
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You call him.
00:25:42.64\00:25:44.01
Then he called pastor Shadrach.
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Then pastor Shadrach told
you watch this TV program.
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So he watched the program.
00:25:51.61\00:25:53.85
Then everybody
asking in his village,
00:25:55.22\00:25:56.45
what happened now
you are working energy.
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What happened?
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Yeah, now I found
out there new God,
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he's going to help me.
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So everybody's
making fun of him.
00:26:02.69\00:26:04.86
Did your new God did
a miracle in your life?
00:26:04.86\00:26:07.83
You got a business or something?
00:26:07.83\00:26:10.10
So they were all making fun,
00:26:10.10\00:26:12.87
but he never gave up
though sometime the holy spirit
00:26:12.87\00:26:18.14
lead people so they
were strong in faith.
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Sometime even we will be weak,
00:26:21.78\00:26:23.31
but they will be very strong
00:26:23.31\00:26:25.35
because the whole
village is making fun of him.
00:26:25.35\00:26:28.15
But he was strong.
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All it took almost
for him over seven months.
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- Wow.
00:26:34.89\00:26:35.86
- And slowly he was recovered.
00:26:35.86\00:26:36.99
Not completely, but he was.
00:26:36.99\00:26:38.56
- But he started getting
his business back and doing.
00:26:38.56\00:26:41.46
- Back slowly.
00:26:41.46\00:26:42.40
Then he realized there is a God.
00:26:42.40\00:26:44.67
And what my uncle
worshiping is a true God.
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Uncle I have to take baptism.
00:26:48.20\00:26:50.01
Then they
called pastor Shadrach.
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Booked a train ticket.
00:26:53.34\00:26:55.78
Everything, went to the
river and took a baptism.
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The whole family, the
whole village witnessed.
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- Wow, well, our
time is just about up.
00:27:03.95\00:27:06.05
And if you'd like to get
more involved with our ministry,
00:27:06.05\00:27:10.56
and Layman
ministries go to our website
00:27:10.56\00:27:12.49
at lmn.org very simple website.
00:27:12.49\00:27:15.43
And on that website,
00:27:15.43\00:27:16.77
you can
subscribe to our magazines,
00:27:16.77\00:27:19.17
the layman ministries journals,
00:27:19.17\00:27:20.77
a lot of mission stories.
00:27:20.77\00:27:22.00
There's always a lead article
00:27:22.00\00:27:23.64
that's designed for lay people.
00:27:23.64\00:27:25.27
There's a lot of
interesting lead articles
00:27:25.27\00:27:27.11
in these like this one's called
00:27:27.11\00:27:28.48
follow the science
interesting one on geology.
00:27:28.48\00:27:31.21
And about how
scientists ridiculed
00:27:31.21\00:27:33.68
a famous
geologist back in the 1920s
00:27:33.68\00:27:36.15
because of his views.
00:27:36.15\00:27:37.69
This is called the new normal
00:27:37.69\00:27:38.89
from a Christian perspective
00:27:38.89\00:27:40.82
or like this one
magazine's called lost days,
00:27:40.82\00:27:42.66
the rapture and the Jesuit's
very interesting content.
00:27:42.66\00:27:45.09
And also all the mission stories
00:27:45.09\00:27:46.73
and activities of
Layman ministries.
00:27:46.73\00:27:49.03
You can find that
at Layman ministries,
00:27:49.03\00:27:51.83
that's 414 Zapada
Road Saint Maries,
00:27:51.83\00:27:54.80
ID 83861 or on the
web at www.lmn.org.
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Pastor Johnson, I'm so
glad that you could visit
00:28:01.81\00:28:03.98
us all the way from Chennai,
00:28:03.98\00:28:05.15
Come up here to
cold north Idaho,
00:28:05.15\00:28:07.08
spend some time with
us and God bless you.
00:28:07.08\00:28:09.72
And we just solicit your prayer.
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Thank you.
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(bright music)
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