Participants: Jeff Reich
Series Code: LM
Program Code: LM000148A
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00:30 We have in our studio today Pastor Swami Das Johnson
00:33 visiting as from the country of India. 00:35 And, Pastor Johnson, 00:36 you've been coming to the States now 00:38 to our studio here 00:39 probably for about 20 years I think. 00:41 Yes. You are right. Is that right? 00:42 And you're the coordinator 00:44 for Laymen Ministries projects in India and we've... 00:46 actually been to our studio 00:48 and shot quite a number of Tamil programs here, 00:50 haven't you? 00:51 I can't remember how many that you've shot actually 00:53 in our studio here in the States? 00:54 Approximately 400 to 450 programs. 00:57 Yeah, great grief, that's a lot of programs 00:59 and I remember when he first aired one of his programs 01:03 in India on television over there 01:05 that were shot here, 01:06 people were coming to you and saying, 01:08 "We want to see your office," 01:09 'cause we had a really nice office out here. 01:10 And people were thinking that was actually his office 01:13 and they didn't realize 01:14 that was a television set in America. 01:17 And it's cold here in North Idaho 01:19 and I got a shot of you, Pastor Johnson, 01:21 yesterday seeing snow coming down for the first time 01:24 and he was outside freezing to death 01:25 'cause he's from India, 01:27 of course, and it's like really cold here 01:28 and really hot there. 01:30 Yesterday we were discussing 01:31 and I think all the people have probably heard that song, 01:33 'I have decided to follow Jesus,' 01:36 I have decided to follow Jesus. 01:39 I think we sang that with our kids 01:41 and you were sharing with me that the origin of that song, 01:43 where did that song originally come from? 01:45 In Northern India, the state called Assam. 01:51 In 19th century from England, 01:53 there were a lot of missionaries 01:55 were going to India 01:56 and one missionary went to that particular state 02:00 and shared a gospel, 02:02 and through that family, 02:05 the whole village became Christian, 02:08 then they had the village leader 02:11 wants to kill him 02:13 otherwise they have to refuse Jesus 02:18 as a personal savior. 02:19 But he said, I will, Jesus is a master. 02:22 So he decided to follow Jesus. 02:24 To follow, the whole family finally the whole, 02:29 the leader of the tribe killed his wife and children 02:34 and the whole family. 02:35 And each stanza, first stanza, when you are singing, 02:39 his two sons, then his wife, then himself, 02:44 during that time, he was singing that song, 02:47 that I have decided to follow Jesus. 02:51 Then the whole village, 02:52 the tribal people thought 02:54 something this God must be 02:57 something unique or something. 02:59 Special... 03:01 Special, so why can't we accept Jesus, 03:03 so today we can see 03:05 the that place is a Christianity. 03:08 Wow. 03:09 So next time you sing that song in Sabbath school or church, 03:12 think about the fact that song 03:14 really originated from the country of India 03:16 in the state of Assam. 03:17 You know, Pastor Johnson, we've been working together 03:19 for quite a while, lot of things have happened, 03:21 we're going to talk about 03:22 some of those things on this program, 03:24 but recently within the last year, 03:27 we had a new development take place. 03:28 And when I was in India last time, last February, 03:31 you took me to the south tip of Tamil Nadu, 03:34 the state of Tamil Nadu 03:36 and showed me a new building 03:37 that had recently been donated to Laymen Ministries. 03:40 What was the plan? 03:41 What was happening with that building? 03:43 We started a orphanage. 03:46 The orphanage was started at April of this year, 2016, 03:51 you came and visited the property 03:54 and all that, then we started a groundwork, 03:58 we applied to the government 04:00 and there are certain building changes we have to do... 04:05 Kind of like building codes, we had to meet, 04:07 to be accepted by the government 04:09 to establish an orphanage there. 04:10 You are right. 04:12 So we did everything, and we got a application, 04:15 we gave an announcement, 04:16 we got application around 65 children, 04:21 but I said... 04:23 That's too many. 04:24 Too many and we have no place and also we cannot handle. 04:29 Is the orphanage up and running then right now? 04:31 Yes, it is running up 04:33 and finally we rejected all the application 04:36 and took a nine student. 04:41 And this building is also a community center building 04:44 where the orphans are at, 04:45 so is there other kind of activities 04:47 happening there in that facility? 04:50 In that place we have a computer class, 04:54 and the tailoring class for the community development. 04:58 Why are those kind of things 04:59 even important in that particular community? 05:02 Because very close to that place, 05:05 we have a Hindu temple. 05:07 It is one of the leading Hindu temple in Southern India. 05:11 People visit, hundreds of people visit, 05:14 very ancient temple. 05:16 So this town 05:18 where we have our orphanage is a Hindu place, 05:22 but there are Christian churches, 05:24 there are Christian schools. 05:26 I thought that this area 05:27 was a really big historical place 05:29 for Christianity in that whole area. 05:31 Yeah, the whole area but little the southern side, 05:34 but this town is very dominated by the Hindu people. 05:40 Because there is a lot of Hindus 05:43 and lot of different communities, 05:45 we want to do outreach. 05:47 If you want to do outreach, we can do through education, 05:52 through community project like tailoring and computer, 05:56 so that's why we have a computer class 06:00 and the tailoring class. 06:01 And also around that lot of poor people 06:04 and so we can help them. 06:05 So it's a chance for like lower caste women 06:10 who come from really poor situations 06:12 and learn how to have an occupation 06:13 like sewing, tailoring and things like that. 06:15 You are right. 06:16 Now the man who is in charge of that orphanage there 06:18 is really, I found to be really interesting man, 06:21 he's extremely dedicated Christian. 06:23 His name is Moses Daniel. 06:25 You are right. 06:26 And Moses Daniel you were telling me 06:27 was actually raised as an orphan himself. 06:29 Yes. 06:31 And then he went on and got an education, 06:34 and he became a director for some other orphanages 06:36 for another organization. 06:38 Yes. So now he's working for us. 06:39 You are right. 06:41 And pretty amazing thing 06:42 that a man who was raised as an orphan 06:44 now is a director for an orphanage. 06:45 It seems like to me a extremely conscientious 06:49 and honest dedicated man. 06:50 Yes, you are right. 06:51 So what are some of the things 06:53 that are happened with the orphanage 06:54 this last eight, nine months? 06:56 It is really a miracle 06:57 and because the nine students 07:01 that are studying in our Adventist school 07:04 because we thought, 07:05 we decided even in the beginning, 07:08 we have to give Adventist education 07:10 for our student. 07:11 So nearby, there is Adventist school 07:16 if you travel like eight miles. 07:18 This is that, the famous place 07:20 where the 100 year church is at, 07:21 one of the oldest churches, 07:23 the first church in South India, 07:25 Adventist Church in South India. 07:26 You are right. 07:28 So they are going for the school 07:30 then evening when they come, they... 07:33 there Moses Daniel is giving training for computer, 07:37 and tutoring, and then worship, 07:41 and they have a work program, 07:42 they have to clean the place 07:45 and gardening the trees and all. 07:48 I personally looked over 07:50 the applications of the children 07:51 that are currently at the orphanage and... 07:54 On each application is a little background history 07:56 of each child. 07:58 Some of them are Hindus, some of them are Christian. 08:00 And some of the stories behind the kids 08:03 is just devastating 08:04 and the parents are in situations 08:06 where they couldn't care for the children 08:07 and that's why they ended up coming to our orphanage. 08:11 Really a real blessed way 08:12 to be able to help these young children 08:15 to be able to get an education, 08:16 a Christian education and actually be fed 08:19 because that was a problem 08:21 in some of the homes they came from, 08:22 they didn't even have food to feed the kids. 08:25 We're going to be working on in our ministry 08:28 a detailed report about each child, their names, 08:31 in case, if you would like to be involved 08:32 with helping sponsor them to be in the orphanage 08:35 and also to be able to get a Christian education 08:38 and our ministry is going to come out 08:39 with that information 08:40 in one of the upcoming magazines. 08:42 In fact, in the last travel mission video we produced 08:43 it's called "The Legacy," 08:45 we take you to the orphanage facility 08:47 right after it was donated 08:48 when we were first trying to get it up 08:50 and running and everything, 08:52 and call our ministry 08:54 and ask for the T.V. program called ''The Legacy". 08:57 We also have another one 08:58 that's called "The Fishers of Men", 09:00 and it's shot in South India 09:01 about the work we're doing there, 09:03 really interesting programs, 09:04 but since we've got the building, 09:06 you also added some of the rooms 09:07 to the building right? 09:09 Yes. 09:10 On the first floor, we have added some room, 09:13 so that, according to the Government rules, 09:16 we are fit into that. 09:17 There are two students or their parents were died 09:24 because of the HIV affected. 09:27 Of the HIV, yeah, so they're AIDS, AIDS children. 09:30 Yeah. 09:32 I didn't even realize 09:33 that South India had a problem with AIDS 09:35 until it was pointed out to me on the applications. 09:37 So this is a real wonderful opportunity, 09:39 it's something new 09:40 Laymen Ministers have been involved with. 09:42 We of course been helping orphans 09:43 in the country of Lithuania for years 09:46 and those are government orphanages there 09:48 that we've targeted that are really super poor, 09:50 they have really a lot of needs there, 09:53 and now we've expanded into actually operating 09:55 one of our own orphanages in the country of India, 09:58 but over the years we've been involved 09:59 with kind of a package deal in India. 10:01 What we call a package deal, a package deal of evangelism. 10:05 You want to explain 10:06 just a little bit about the principle 10:07 of what we mean by a package deal? 10:09 Yeah. The package is very interesting. 10:11 It's called a... 10:13 We have a television program, 10:15 so right now we are in major three television network, 10:20 it is a satellite TV, 10:22 also the cable channel. 10:24 So the, each one of these networks 10:25 is not only satellite 10:27 but their cable to cable, 10:29 and so that's really important in India 10:31 because everybody's got cable television, 10:34 the hotels and private houses. 10:35 Yeah. 10:37 And there are, we are in small cable, 10:38 that is not a major thing, 10:41 but this three major network is very important. 10:44 And once we get more phone calls, 10:49 or when we have a lot of viewers 10:51 in the particular place, 10:53 we can understand 10:55 through our prayer call or the mails. 10:58 We can understand, okay, 10:59 this town we have lot of viewers 11:02 are watching our television program. 11:04 So we... 11:06 So when you say "Call" it mean, 11:07 you are talking about a call center, 11:09 so people that see the telephone number 11:10 on the television programs, 11:12 they call into the church 11:13 or you said even your house sometimes? 11:15 Yeah, they, for the night time they call my home. 11:18 Morning and evening, and the night, 11:21 they call to my home. 11:22 So the Bible workers or yourself are keeping track 11:24 of where these calls are coming from, 11:26 so you can kind of target an area there. 11:27 Yeah. Okay. 11:29 And in the daytime, there is a... 11:31 it's actually the 24/7 call center for prayer, 11:36 people can call throughout the world. 11:39 So people call. 11:40 So the point is, we have a television program 11:45 which is a satellite channel and the cable 11:48 and there are few minor small villages, 11:52 then we have a 24 hours prayer center, 11:57 people calls us for prayer. 11:59 Then we send our Bible workers in that particular town to... 12:04 for a door to door evangelism. 12:06 And our Bible worker 12:08 stay in there four months in that particular village, 12:12 and they visit each home. 12:16 The first month is a kind of friendship. 12:18 The second month is a group Bible study. 12:22 The third months, they, it's a evangelistic meeting, 12:26 the fourth months is a follow up work. 12:29 Then we have to find a temporary worship place. 12:34 So they try to find a place to establish 12:36 like a home church or a rental place. 12:39 Rental place. 12:40 So it's like, it's not like 12:43 only television we are preaching. 12:46 Our Bible worker just going, knocking the door... 12:49 So when a Bible worker knocks on a door 12:51 and they say that they represent the ministry 12:53 that's on television. 12:55 Do a lot of people know who they are 12:56 or what the ministry is about? 12:58 Mostly they all knows that, first they ask "who are you" 13:04 then they will say we are from this ministry 13:07 and we want to pray with you and all that. 13:10 Then they will give invitation, some people... 13:13 Until those people know 13:14 that about these television programs... 13:15 Yes. 13:17 Some of 40, 50% people know about the television program, 13:20 some people they may not know, 13:22 but our people will go 13:24 and knock each door of that village. 13:27 Then starting a new church, then follow up work. 13:32 Then leaving two Bible worker 13:36 in that new house church or the temporary church. 13:40 So they're kind of like an intern pastor 13:42 for the church working with it 13:44 until it becomes established enough 13:45 that it actually becomes a bonafide full pledged church 13:49 that has a pastor assigned to it. 13:51 Yes, yes. 13:52 So we've been doing this for quite a while 13:54 and it's become a model 13:55 for South India "Laymen Ministries" 13:57 package deal of evangelism. 13:59 Just roughly how many since we've been doing this 14:02 for 23 years? 14:03 How many churches do you think 14:05 Laymen Ministries has been responsible for establishing? 14:09 Around, in my calculation, 14:13 it's we have entered so far 150 places. 14:19 But the strong churches were 75. 14:22 About 75. 14:23 Other places maybe small groups of people meeting. 14:25 Small group and some places closed 14:27 and some places like... 14:29 Right, over the last 20 something years 14:31 about 75 established churches. 14:33 It's in the Greater Chennai. 14:35 In the Greater Chennai. 14:37 I was just looking here. 14:38 I have actually the budget for this last month for India 14:42 and I was really kind of shocked, 14:43 you know, a lot of people don't realize 14:45 how much money it cost to operate 14:48 all these things for the ministry 14:49 but this budget here just for this one month, 14:52 this next month of $13,475 and I just look at this, 14:57 and this is just one project that Laymen Ministries has, 14:59 I mean we have an academy in the Philippines, 15:01 you know, we got a training school 15:02 in North India, in Nepal, 15:05 working in China, working in Lithuania 15:06 and you start adding this up, I just go, 15:08 it's amazing how the Lord supplies 15:10 the funding for doing this 15:12 and just for the three major networks, 15:16 it comes to a total of... 15:18 5,800. 15:20 You know this number 5,800, and that's depending on 15:23 whether it's a long month or a short month. 15:24 Yeah. 15:26 Sometimes if it is four weeks, this is the amount. 15:28 If it is a five weeks, 15:30 then it will go like 6,200-6,300. 15:33 What is the viewing audience size 15:35 of these different networks? 15:37 Do you have any idea? 15:38 Yes. I have idea. 15:40 The Vasanth TV, 15:41 there is a satellite called Vasanth TV, 15:43 it goes everywhere. 15:44 It is a free channel. 15:46 It's coming to America, Europe, Middle East. 15:50 The potential audience, 15:55 the people who speak Tamil in Kerala 15:59 and then in Andhra Pradesh, Bangalore, Mumbai, 16:05 and Malaysia, Singapore everywhere, 16:07 and also all these channels are available in the internet. 16:11 So in my opinion and also there is... 16:14 There's millions of people. 16:15 Millions of people... 16:17 Wow! Yeah. 16:18 I know that we've got responses even from France and England 16:21 watching these programs that are produced in India 16:23 and broadcast from our studio there. 16:25 In Tamil Nadu alone, in Tamil Nadu, 16:28 where people who speak Tamil alone, 16:31 the potential audience is 80 million people. 16:34 Then think about Bangalore, think about Mumbai, 16:38 think about Delhi, all the places in England, 16:42 then in North... 16:43 I mean Singapore, Malaysia, Burma. 16:46 Yeah, lot of people don't maybe realize 16:48 if they're not familiar with our ministry 16:50 that we actually have our own television studio over there 16:53 and we produce television programs 16:55 at that studio, 16:56 and I was just looking at our budget here 16:58 for the operating cost for our studio 17:01 and just for the salaries per month is... 17:03 to run a studio, you would catch this, 17:05 $850 to run a television studio, 17:09 for producing television programs, 17:10 internet programs 17:11 and some of the new short internet type programs 17:14 that we're developing. 17:15 What a deal, 17:16 I mean to have actually up and running studio 17:18 that the, the employee cost is about 850 a month. 17:22 Really, really good deal 17:23 and I also was looking at the budget for workers here, 17:27 and we put out about $4,300 every month 17:32 just for the budget for workers. 17:34 Now how many Bible workers are there all together? 17:36 We have 44 Bible workers. 17:39 44? 44 Bible workers. 17:41 Then Pastor Shadrach, then... 17:44 Yourself. Myself. 17:46 And there are two, three prayer call center, 17:48 I mean in the... 17:50 the people who help in the prayer center. 17:53 Then we have like pastors who are supervisors. 17:55 Supervisor. 17:56 All together it is 50. 17:58 You are 50 employees. 18:00 I never dreamed years ago 18:02 when you and I started talking about 18:03 starting a ministry in India 18:05 that it would grow to the size 18:06 that is that God has really, really blessed. 18:09 It's just to me it's phenomenal 18:10 that we have all these things happening 18:13 and that we're actually every month 18:15 able to meet the expenses 18:17 because people like you get involved 18:18 in trying to help our ministry to be able to do these things. 18:22 Another big part of what we've been doing 18:23 is publishing literature. 18:25 We've been doing this for years, 18:26 I mean we printed a lot of... 18:27 I mean hundreds of thousands of books and such. 18:29 What kind of things that we print 18:31 for instance in the year 2016? 18:33 2016, we did historical lesson. 18:37 These are the Amazing Facts historical lessons. 18:39 We've translated these in Lithuania 18:41 and we translated them in Romania, 18:43 we translated these in the Philippines 18:44 and now we have them in India. 18:46 Yeah. 18:47 We've translated and we did exactly the multi color. 18:50 How many sets did we print? 18:51 5,000. 18:52 So if there's about 24 in a set. 18:55 That's about 1,200 individual Bible lessons. 18:58 Wow! 19:00 It is very nice. 19:01 And what else did we print in year 2016? 19:02 Steps to Christ, 19:04 and then it's a Great Controversy 19:07 is we are going to release. 19:09 We supposed to have released last month 19:12 and in the translation, we... 19:15 Can had to do some updating. 19:16 Updating. 19:18 So otherwise by the... we... 19:20 our original plan was we supposed to finish by June, 19:24 but we are doing the translation again. 19:27 So it is taking a time, and... 19:30 I know we just built a brand new 19:32 kind of like a mini warehouse on top of the church 19:34 behind the studio for storing the books 19:37 to keep them dry and keep bugs from getting into and such, 19:39 so what are we planning on doing next? 19:42 And now next, the Desire of Ages. 19:44 The Desire of Ages also, and for your information, 19:49 we are not doing 19:50 because if you want to translate the whole book 19:54 and the book became very big. 19:56 So big. 19:57 I notice that you take an English copy, 19:59 it's about this big and you translated in Tamil. 20:01 It goes like to about that big. 20:02 You are right. So you are cutting it in half? 20:04 Yeah, cutting half. 20:05 First volume and the second volume 20:07 and we are making a new picture 20:09 about the Jesus where kind of... 20:12 More contemporary... 20:13 More contemporary. You are right. 20:14 Yeah, you know these books like Steps to Christ, 20:16 Desire of Ages, Great Controversies, 20:18 these books build strong Christians. 20:20 I remember Elder David Lan, 20:22 he said that these books build strong characters 20:25 and are the backbone for the church 20:27 and I really believe that, 20:28 you know, running Laymen Ministries 20:30 all these years, 20:31 seeing the impact of these particular books 20:35 are the backbone of our church in establishing strong members 20:39 that become workers for the faith. 20:41 The baptism we give, the churches we start, 20:45 and the television programs we do, 20:47 like one program Pastor Shadrach, 20:50 he's very senior pastor, he gives us, he... 20:55 the program called Question and Answer, 20:58 it's a powerful program. 20:59 Oh, I'm familiar with this program. 21:01 You are right. 21:02 And so our television program, our church planting, 21:06 our Bible workers, our translation, all that... 21:10 Big package deal. 21:11 Big package deal, so it is not... 21:15 it is a complete package of evangelism 21:18 from the beginning, 21:19 from the groundwork till then ongoing, 21:23 nurturing and there are churches 21:26 which we started, 21:28 it was close due to various reason. 21:31 Then again, we send our Bible workers. 21:34 We do groundwork again, and we start again. 21:38 So there are... 21:41 there was failure then again we... 21:44 If there is any kind of problem or anything, go back in. 21:46 Go back again. 21:47 You know, I just want to share with our viewers 21:48 really quickly too about 21:50 what you were just saying about Pastor Shadrach's 21:51 program called Question and Answers. 21:53 This is an English language program 21:55 and English is a pretty common language 21:56 for more educated people in India 21:59 and this program has been extremely successful 22:02 because not only is Shadrach a really talented 22:04 but I always, I always say 22:05 Shadrach is the CD Brooks of India, 22:07 you know, he's a really powerful speaker. 22:09 But what he has been doing is he has the viewers 22:12 write in their questions to the program 22:15 and so when the program comes on, 22:16 he says, "Today we have a question from..." 22:19 you know, and he mentions somebody's name 22:21 that's living in the city of Chennai or in Bangalore, 22:24 you know, in Bangalore or someplace like that. 22:27 And her question or his question is, 22:29 and then he reads the question 22:30 and then he answers it on screen 22:32 and so people are always like glued to their television sets 22:35 when this program comes on 22:36 because they hope that the question they send in 22:38 is going to be the one read on television that night 22:40 so this program has become extremely popular in India 22:43 and it is seen on cable, 22:45 so it means anybody in the cities 22:47 that's hooked up to a cable in the city 22:49 can watch these programs. 22:51 You are right. 22:52 For your information, I know that time is going to end soon 22:56 because we were in the same satellite channel 23:00 and there were lot of people who wants our slot 23:05 because there were lot of competition 23:07 for the same program, 23:09 so people were against our program. 23:11 So they gave money too much money 23:14 and purchased the time slot. 23:17 And now we got another slot and started again. 23:21 And is the slot at a good time? 23:22 Yeah, good time. 23:23 Very prime time, 23:25 it's evening 8 to 8:30, Thursday. 23:27 Oh, yes, it's really wonderful. 23:29 That kind of program was gonna reach a lot of people 23:30 and has been reaching a lot of people. 23:34 We also have kind of a new thing 23:36 that you and I were just discussing 23:38 since you're here on this trip and... 23:39 not only are we interested in trying to do outreach 23:42 in the area of Chennai 23:43 and with television section, India, 23:45 you know, coming out of Chennai, 23:47 but we've been talking about how we could do an outreach 23:49 into some of the more darker regions of India 23:52 and you were sharing with me about a region 23:55 that's like an antonymous region, 23:57 way up by Kashmir, the Kashmir area. 24:00 Yeah. 24:01 From Kashmir we have to travel around 300 miles, 24:06 then this region called Leh Ladakh, 24:10 and this is above the sea level of 12,800 almost 13,000 feet. 24:16 This is like in the foothills 24:18 of the Himalayan Mountains there... 24:19 You are right. 24:21 ..coming down in the India, 24:22 if anybody is familiar 24:23 with that particular area of Kashmir, 24:25 you know, that this has been a heavily disputed area 24:29 and this area you're talking about is just east of Kashmir 24:32 kind of over closer to, is it closer to China? 24:36 It's, one side it is very close, like 150 miles 24:42 then one side 275 miles to Pakistan. 24:46 It is a very border but there are villages, 24:50 recently the Northern India Union, 24:53 President of our Adventist church, 24:54 he took me there 24:56 and he told me Johnson, 24:59 you are, the Laymen Ministries in television. 25:02 Doing evangelism. 25:03 Evangelism, there, here, Bible worker in South India. 25:07 You are only focusing... 25:08 since I'm a South Indian, 25:10 he is telling you are focusing in South India. 25:13 Here you see the border, 25:15 they never heard the name of Jesus. 25:18 So this is a really isolated place, 25:20 kind of a tribal area? 25:22 You are right. 25:23 Very isolated and he told 25:25 we are taking a first missionary journey. 25:28 So what are you thinking about, with trying to reach this area 25:31 I mean here you are in South India, 25:32 you're Tamilian speaking in Tamil language, 25:34 how would you be involved 25:36 with trying to reach some form remote area like that? 25:38 Because the Northern India Union President 25:41 and the Laymen Ministry can work together 25:44 and he said, there are people, 25:47 the Leh people and some special graduates 25:50 like to go as a missionary for one year, two year. 25:54 So Laymen Ministries would sponsor 25:56 one of these graduates to go to that area 25:58 and to, kind of start a friendship ministry 26:01 working with people there. 26:03 You think someone like that would be accepted, 26:04 coming into an area like that, that's kind of a closed area. 26:08 It's mostly Buddhists, right, in the area? 26:10 Mostly, it's very, I mean it's... 26:13 it's not an easy thing, 26:15 it's not an easy thing like this year 26:18 for your example in southern India. 26:20 We have entered so far 26:24 since January we have entered eight new places, 26:28 and our goal this year to enter 10 places. 26:31 And, but we were able to enter so far eight 26:35 and we have planted churches in three places. 26:38 And by end of this year, 26:40 we may start with five and baptism of around 357, 26:46 and end of the year it will come 600 to 700. 26:50 And also we have tutoring villages, 26:52 we have started a new evangelism called "Tutoring," 26:54 starting a tuitions, 26:56 tutoring for the village people, 26:59 but in North India, it will not happen. 27:03 Not much work happening there. 27:05 Maybe the place which I'm talking, 27:09 it's very hard even if you work three year, 27:12 we may get one family or two family. 27:14 But that's a beginning. 27:15 You are right. That's a beginning. 27:17 Yeah. 27:18 And those people can become pioneers 27:19 to their own people group in that area. 27:21 Our time has already ran out and this is what happened, 27:24 Pastor Johnson's been here with us for a week 27:26 and our conversations at my house 27:28 while he's here in the evenings and during the day 27:30 have been just like proper sharing here 27:32 during this interview and times gone by like that, 27:35 but God is working in amazing ways 27:38 in a lot of things 27:39 that are just spectacular happening in India 27:42 and a lot of people are being reached 27:44 and if you'd like to be part of this ministry 27:46 and like to help some way. 27:47 If want to receive our magazines 27:50 or some of our television programs on DVD, 27:52 write or call our ministry 27:54 at Laymen Ministries 414 Zapada Road. 27:56 Saint Maries, Idaho 83861 27:59 or you can get us on the web at www.lmn.org. |
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