Or something like
that? No, it's too late now.
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I am glad you could join us.
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We were just
sitting around talking about
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mission experiences
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and in our studio we
have Judy and Dennis.
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Did I say your
last name right? Yes.
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It's like Lithuanian, I
think or something like that.
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And anyhow, we just were talking
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about recent mission trips
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and we're happy that
you could be with us here.
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I think you'll really
enjoy the program today.
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They just recently came
back from Northern India
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and Nepal on a mission trip,
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and the reason I invited
them to come to the studio
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is because they
went and interface
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with one of our
projects in North India.
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And you folks didn't
do the application process
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and everything.
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I kind of said, you came in
through the back door kind of.
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You actually just kind
of contacted me and asked,
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hey, we're going to
be traveling in India,
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visiting different ministries,
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we'd like to go and check with--
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check on the work that Sandra
and Terri Horner are doing
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and would that be okay?
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And I said, sure.
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And so you folks kind of
like on the outside looking in,
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going checking on
one of our projects,
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not as missionaries
working with our ministry
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but just kind of like
freelance missionaries,
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I guess you could say.
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So how'd you happen to know
about this particular project
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with Sandra and Terri Horner
in North India to begin with?
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We've been
getting their magazine
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from Laymen
Ministries for years,
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and followed the projects
and just thought someday
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we'd love to go
visit their project.
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We've been in Nepal before
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and just that
whole Nepali culture
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in the mountain
area appealed to us.
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So you folks are
not new to traveling.
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I mean, it sounds like
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you've done a little bit
of traveling in the past.
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Dennis, and you said, you were
in South America one time and--
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I flew my motorcycle down
with another church member
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down to South
America, Argentina,
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and rode a motorcycle all
the way up from Argentina--
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You are kidding me.
It sounds like a blast.
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It was great.
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It was 17,000 some
miles and then the next year
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we finished up to
Alaska, tip of Alaska.
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So you two both
have had some experience
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prior to this particular trip.
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So where all did you go in India
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and when you got up to where
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Sandra and Terri
were training school
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is our life education
health training center.
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How long did you
plan on staying there?
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Well, we weren't sure.
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We knew we had
seven or eight weeks left.
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We spent other
times in other counties
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and that was going to
be our last place to be.
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And so we're checking it out.
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Judy and I were just checking
it out when we first got there.
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But at the same time
when we just got there
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Sandra says, don't unpack
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because I have you
going with a team to Nepal
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and they broke
out in four teams so--
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I mean you meet
Sandra for the first time
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and you just arrive there,
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and she's saying
don't unpack your bags.
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Yes.
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What's up with that?
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And she had-- she
gave us a schedule
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what I needed to speak on.
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And I get real
nervous speaking out in front,
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I had an
interpreter and they said
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it would be
easier as I can speak,
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I would have time to think.
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But it doesn't work that
way for me with the interpreter.
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I lost my
thoughts, but it was good.
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So you got there and you didn't
even hardly unpack your bags
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and then you guys went to
Nepal then from North India?
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Is that what you're saying? Yes.
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Where did you actually go?
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I mean, can you give me
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a general idea of
where you two ended up?
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I can't remember
the name of the village
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but from the point where
we took land transportation
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to a particular village site
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and then it was
major four wheeling roads
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for 2 hours up into
the mountains in a vehicle.
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And they were sitting in
the back on sacks of rice
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and I got to sit up front.
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So you got to experience
traveling in Nepali style.
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Yes. Yes.
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And some people
on top too, I think.
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And so you were
actually in the foothills
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of the Himalaya Mountains
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and some of the
village there in eastern Nepal,
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kind of way out in the
far eastern side of Nepal?
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Southeast. Southeastern.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So general
impressions, what was it like?
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I don't know if there's
a picture of the bathroom
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that is shorten, but water is--
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every couple
hours you have water,
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the rest of the village doesn't.
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The water comes
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and they transfer
to a different village
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through a little hose,
pipes all over the mountainside.
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They gave us a table, it
was a regular kitchen table
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and they put
blankets on it and says,
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we know the
westerners don't like
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sleeping on the
floor, they like bed.
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So they gave us a table.
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So that was your
bed? That was our--
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And you said
something about toilets?
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Now, I've been in
these parts in Nepal
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and one of the
reasons we're running
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a Health
Education Lifestyle Center
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is because people
don't have toilets.
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And they just go out
into the bushes kind of,
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so you are saying, they have
some kind a makeshift outhouses
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or something like that or--
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Yes, it was tent,
it was little squatter.
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And this is because of the-
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probably the teaching of
our missionaries going there
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and working with the people.
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Yes.
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So what are the kind of
things did you experience
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while you were
there as far as like
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the hygiene and
things like that?
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I, for two weeks,
I did not have a bath
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or spit bath of any kind
which is a first in my life.
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The water was there at times
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but the privacy was
not in the little outhouse.
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So what did the nationals do?
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They bathe
underneath their clothes
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out in this big cement square
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that supposed to
be the squat pot,
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designed for them.
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Okay. Yeah.
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And then they wash
their dishes on the ground,
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the chickens are right there.
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Or when you're
eating, when you're finished
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eating the chickens
come up to the table
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and eat off your plates.
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Did you see
them washing the pots
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and pans out with mud?
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Did you notice them doing that?
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Yes. We did that.
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Each meal, they had
to break sticks and cook.
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There was no gas
stove, no anything else,
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it was just sticks.
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And we waited for
our food for hours.
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Rice and
potatoes. Rice and potatoes.
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Rice and
greens. Rice and greens.
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And they ate with their fingers,
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then we asked for spoons.
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So Judy and I were the
only ones with the spoons
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and they felt comfortable
eating in their tradition.
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Did you get to see
any of the churches
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that Sandra and Terri's teams
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have been
involved with building?
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Did you get to speak
at any of the churches or?
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In Mungpoo, yes they built
the church and it's really--
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Well, that's a
beautiful facility.
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It's a very, very special.
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I guess Terri and
Sandra and the students
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at that time build
it, and we were there.
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Yeah, just very impressed
overall with the whole program.
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Yeah, various places
all over eastern Nepal,
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we've built probably
about eight or nine churches,
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they're more
primitive than the when
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that you folks were in.
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I didn't know if you got
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to actually see
any in the field or not
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but they are little bit
not as nice as that one.
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But actually these places,
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you know, people are just Hindus
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and they go in there
and work with these folks
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and establish churches.
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It's really quite amazing.
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What kind of experiences
did you have out in the field?
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Tell me about what
you're doing in such out there?
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I mean, Sandra, did she
say, okay, we're heading
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and did she tell you
what you're going to do
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or was it just winning
the whole thing or what?
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Well, no.
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She had a layout
there, when I spoke,
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when she spoke,
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when students
spoke via translators
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so it went all day long.
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Morning worship,
afternoon, evening.
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Evening was the big one
where the village will come in
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and they had the speaker
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and you wouldn't want
to sit next to the speaker
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because it was very loud.
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So, Dennis, I
mean, what do you think
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when she all of a sudden,
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you don't even
know Sandra or Terri,
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you're going, okay,
we're going to go to Nepal
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and she hands you
this piece of paper.
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What did you see on there?
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What kind of responsibilities
did she give you?
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What was your reaction?
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Well, my reaction was I talked
to the interpreter real quick
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and I says, can you do my part?
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And he says, no,
you're doing your part
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and I'll help you, you know.
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So but as it
went, I enjoy studying
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and it worked very well.
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We had the local
village which was the village
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there would probably
was maybe 15-18 buildings.
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And now so we had a turnout of
maybe 25-30 people each night.
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And what was your
responsibility there
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and what were you doing?
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Giving talks on Daniel.
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So and you were
all prepared for this?
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No, not at all.
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So luckily I brought literature
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and they also--
the students did,
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and we shared, you
know, shared the notes
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and they had Daniel also,
different parts of Daniel.
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So it was very good. I
enjoyed it when we left.
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When you left.
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Did you feel
like the Holy Spirit,
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like work with you
in being able to get you
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out of your comfort
zone and doing that?
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You can see that the people
were really listening and--
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Yes. And I do it again.
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I'd still be
stressed and nervous
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but I do it again
because it was a blessing.
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Praise God.
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Yeah, it was-- got me
out of the comfort zone.
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They listened, they
understood what the message was.
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Then when we
left or the last night
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it was a good turnout,
it was more turnout then--
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And they came over, they
knew it was the last night
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and because of the
speakers were so loud,
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they could here it at home also.
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So they didn't have to
come into the hall we had made.
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So they really missed us.
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I mean, they really enjoyed
us and there was Adventist there
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and there was
another church there,
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the Pentecostal.
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And pastor was there
each night listening.
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Wonderful. So,
yeah, it was good.
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Judy, what were you doing there?
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What was your responsibilities
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when you were
handed this sheet of paper?
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I also had some
sermons I had to give.
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They had morning worship
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and then they had a children's
program in the afternoon.
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So we had the
stories from the picture roll
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and taught the kids.
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And the students also that came,
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they did a great
job with these children.
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How many kids would show up
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for some of the
meetings here in generally
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and how many different villages
did you go to, you know?
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We-- personally, the
meetings were at one village.
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I'd say about maybe
10 at the most students.
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But during the
day the young people,
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the students from the center
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and Joseph, the translator
and the gospel outreach pastor
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would go out to some
of the outlying villages
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on their motorcycles.
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And so they were
able to meet people
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that couldn't come the
distance to the church.
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When we were at there
in the village doing our--
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we call it probably the revival,
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we figured it was revival,
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there was other
villages that were hours away
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that would come up
and they walked 2 hours,
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you know, at the
most to hear this
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and they're all related
so they'd sit in the evening
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and then they have a
place to stay at night
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with one of the relatives.
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And some people in the
States wouldn't go to church,
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you know, in the west
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if they had to go walk 2
hours one way to get there.
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What are we going to say, Judy?
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Well, another part
that was part of the program
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was a health lectures
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and the textbook
for that was the book
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that Sandra
Horner had put together
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on the Miracles of Water
and The Eight Natural Doctors.
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And so our talks each night,
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each of the 10 nights
featured one of those.
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And one night I demonstrated
hot and cold treatments using
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Dennis as my patient
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and the people
were very interested.
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These are new things for them.
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The topics that we
covered were new for them.
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They have very limited
knowledge of the Bible.
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And so it was just a privilege.
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We kept saying to ourselves,
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even though it was difficult
at times and challenges,
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this is the highest
privilege to be here.
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Praise God. And we just--
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So then when the school was all
- the field trip was all done,
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you went back to the school
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and you got to see
the daily operations on
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how our school
there actually operates.
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What was the general
routine of the school
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and, you know, what
was the kind of schedule
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and what was your impression
of what they were doing there?
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Well, we were impressed.
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When we were there,
we saw how she split up
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and there was other
missionaries there too
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that were there
just few weeks before us.
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They had a short term, 6 months.
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And it was
Joshua and Emily Juresic
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right there, the couple.
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And they were dedicated also.
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And he went to a different part.
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The school split
of in four groups.
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We went to Nepal.
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He took another
group somewhere else.
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So he was doing his
fieldwork in a different area.
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So when we all came
back and then we got to know
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each other
pretty good, dedicated.
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So he was part
of the school system
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and he taught Desire of Ages.
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That the school starts
at 6 o'clock in the morning,
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six days a week and
students learn in English.
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The Desire of Ages, and then
some would work in the kitchen,
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some would work in the garden.
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I mean, they all would
rotate. Medical, sewing --
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I was there, they were
going through the prophecies
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of Daniel and
Revelation with these kids.
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We saw that they
know more than many of us
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here in the United States know
in our church about the Bible
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and they're able to share it.
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They have many opportunities
to do that, both on site,
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they are given in the
evening vespers program,
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they take charge
of that sometimes.
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They also have The Desire
of Ages class later in the day.
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They cover-- the
curriculum is based--
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it's an English language school.
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And so they get a
certificate at the end
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and they have all
the vocabulary lists
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from any class
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but their
curriculum is the Bible,
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the Spirit of
Prophecy, hymn book
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and their own
native songs there.
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And they just-- they
are beautiful young men.
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And they have liked
do a lot of education
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like in health and physiology
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and some anatomy and
things like that too there.
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Yeah, the medical
missionary training,
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that's another
piece of the curriculum.
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Oh, yeah. Okay, yeah.
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Well, that's--
that's where they called
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a health
education lifestyle center,
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it's kind of a mouthful.
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And when Joshua would
take Sabbath afternoon,
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he take couple of
students up to the villagers,
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trails all over
through the villages and homes
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and the door is wide open
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when they talk to him
about the health thing
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and they have
pamphlets, many, many pamphlets,
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you know, smoke and the
water, you know, hot and cold.
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And they're all
open to it. Praise God.
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And of course
and at the same time
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the literature on Jesus too.
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But at the school,
Wednesday afternoon
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two students would
go on a motorcycle,
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there's two churches down.
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I don't know how far.
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We never visit church,
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down off the hill
where the school is
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and she'd had two
students go down for Friday--
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Wednesday night meeting.
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They love to play
the guitar and sing.
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So one would do the music
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and the other one
would give the Wednesday--
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Was it like prayer
meeting Bible study?
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Yeah, the whole Bible study.
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They come up Thursday
morning, do their school,
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Friday afternoon the same
two will go to the same church
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and do Friday
vespers and Sabbath sermon.
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Wow. So that's those two.
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Then the next Wednesday
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there will be two other students
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who would go to the other church
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and it just
rotates continuously.
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So you two got--
did you meet Joseph
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while you were there?
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And he's just recently I
think, translated the book,
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the book Great Controversy.
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He is so dedicated and
just a wonderful influence
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there at the
school and in the villages
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when we were
preaching and teaching,
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he takes real ownership for it.
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And he is a product
of the training center
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from years ago,
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as well as Joshua, the
tailor, the head tailor
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that made my outfit here.
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Well, talk about the
tailoring program little bit.
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That's something
that some of our viewers
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don't know anything about,
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but we actually have
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a practical
training in school too
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and tailoring is one of them.
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So did you see them sewing?
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Yes, the students have the--
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In fact we
bought a little outfit
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for our infant
granddaughter from them.
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And inside the top
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and the pants had
the name of the student
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that had sewed that.
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So your outfit was
actually tailored by them?
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This was by
Joshua, the main tailor.
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Oh, really? He do
and it's top quality.
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They made a shirt
and pants for Dennis
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and it would be in
one of the highest stores
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in our country, one of the top.
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And so what are they doing
with the goods at tailoring?
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Do they have any kind
of marketing going on?
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Well, they are custom-made.
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Our school started
to approach them now,
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neighbors and all that.
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So he takes the measurements
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and he sews them up
for students at the school
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and, so it's just-- I think
there's four sewing machines
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and it's staying busy.
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Now we talked-- you talked to me
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a little bit
earlier about the landlord
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and you talked about the
silent witness of the school.
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What exactly did
you mean about that?
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Well, it's on his
property and he's a--
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Our school is actually
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on a rented
piece of property in--
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He's right next door.
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The landlord
lives right next door.
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Yeah. Okay.
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And they converted part
of his place into the school
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and it's big enough
with all the students and--
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So he's a Hindu
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and we're talking to his
mom after a couple of weeks
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and she was thrilled
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that he allowed
the school to be there
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because he saw the
students and Sandra and Terri,
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how they live.
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So by that he quit
and she mentioned it,
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quit swearing, quit
chewing, smoking, beetle nut,
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chewing beetle
nut and his temper.
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So...
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It's like his
anger, quit being so angry?
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He just-- it was
just observing the school.
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That's interesting.
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And tell him about the
medical, the ambulance.
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They would, unannounced
an ambulance would come up
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and bring one or more
people up in the ambulance.
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They had heard
through different means
00:19:12.05\00:19:14.39
one of which was a
funeral down in the village
00:19:14.42\00:19:16.98
that the center had
attended to sing to them.
00:19:17.01\00:19:20.16
They had heard about
that people can help them.
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So they would come out,
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and the students are trained
in hot and cold treatment,
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trained in massage.
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And so one day
when Dennis was there
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they brought a man out and--
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Is this that when
you-- there I think,
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remember one
time you told me about
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he could barely walk,
and he was all hunched over
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and they brought
him into the school
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or something in the ambulance?
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He was that way for 3 years.
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He had a stroke and a
lot of them have strokes
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because of their health.
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Now there's no water,
beetle nuts, the stuff.
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So they carried
the man downstairs
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where they would make
a table, hot and cold,
00:19:57.62\00:20:00.16
lay him out and
massage and hot and cold.
00:20:00.19\00:20:02.77
And I was
upstairs and downstairs,
00:20:02.80\00:20:05.57
just checking out now and then
00:20:05.60\00:20:08.06
and probably
about half way into it,
00:20:08.09\00:20:12.31
I saw him moving
around on the table
00:20:12.34\00:20:14.61
and the students
were telling him,
00:20:14.64\00:20:15.68
don't move around.
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You know, he
was getting excited,
00:20:16.78\00:20:17.94
he was moving around.
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Probably an hour went by
00:20:20.35\00:20:22.62
and he like
jumped out of the table,
00:20:22.65\00:20:25.68
standing up and he
was thrilled to death.
00:20:25.71\00:20:27.69
This is first time in 3 years,
just by hot and cold massage.
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And there was--
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It's like he's come
alive for something.
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Yeah, And there was
a picture roll there
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and Jesus was there,
00:20:37.78\00:20:39.56
happen to be on
the picture roll.
00:20:39.59\00:20:40.96
He went down and
bowed down and stood up
00:20:40.99\00:20:46.02
and he comes bouncing
up the steps to Sandra.
00:20:46.05\00:20:49.91
And he was
going to kiss her feet
00:20:49.94\00:20:51.67
and Sandra goes, no, no,
you know, this is Jesus' work,
00:20:51.70\00:20:54.73
you know, this is the
work that-- just simple work.
00:20:54.76\00:20:57.37
Almost like a
miraculous healing in a sense.
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And then that's the
opportunity because the people
00:21:00.61\00:21:04.21
that brought him
up from the ambulance,
00:21:04.24\00:21:07.77
they were surprised
too because, you know,
00:21:07.80\00:21:09.84
they were working
with this guy for 3 years
00:21:09.87\00:21:11.87
at the hospital down the hill.
00:21:11.90\00:21:13.91
And here now
this within an hour,
00:21:13.94\00:21:15.74
hour-and-a-half
he's walking around.
00:21:15.77\00:21:18.42
So that was the
opportunity to, you know,
00:21:18.45\00:21:20.61
to give the
literature out on the health
00:21:20.64\00:21:23.36
and stuff like that.
00:21:23.39\00:21:24.43
But that was just,
that was the last one,
00:21:24.46\00:21:26.44
but there was also a first one,
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wasn't as you know as dramatic,
00:21:28.28\00:21:31.20
but just the hot and
the cold and the message.
00:21:31.23\00:21:33.51
Isn't that
interesting that the hospital
00:21:33.54\00:21:34.99
would send people up in
the ambulance to our center?
00:21:35.02\00:21:39.17
Oh, before the time runs out,
00:21:39.20\00:21:40.52
let's talk about
your trip to Darjeeling.
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Just really quickly,
00:21:42.66\00:21:43.69
Darjeeling is a really
famous city in North India.
00:21:43.72\00:21:46.04
It's kind of a tourist area.
00:21:46.07\00:21:47.50
They did a movie there called
Darjeeling Express years ago,
00:21:47.53\00:21:50.35
it's kind of a
historic tourist area.
00:21:50.38\00:21:52.98
But so you folks went up
there for your anniversary,
00:21:53.01\00:21:55.61
what happened?
00:21:55.64\00:21:56.67
It started, we went to Mungpoo,
where you had your church.
00:21:56.70\00:22:00.09
So they had this 5 day,
7 day Revelation seminar.
00:22:00.12\00:22:04.92
So then from there the group
went back down to the school
00:22:04.95\00:22:08.65
and then
Darjeeling was about half way,
00:22:08.68\00:22:11.35
so we went up there.
00:22:11.38\00:22:14.34
So Dennis had tried to
get room at two other motels
00:22:14.37\00:22:18.89
and they just didn't
seem to want to wait on him.
00:22:18.92\00:22:21.22
But then we had
heard of this other--
00:22:21.25\00:22:22.79
the best western
place so we went there
00:22:22.82\00:22:25.42
and there was a
really nice catered meal
00:22:25.45\00:22:30.20
that's part of your
fee there, twice a day.
00:22:30.23\00:22:33.77
And as we--
00:22:33.80\00:22:35.46
Lot of character for most
of that area in North India.
00:22:35.49\00:22:37.80
Yes. Yes.
00:22:37.83\00:22:39.25
And as we had
an experience there
00:22:39.28\00:22:40.78
we realized then how the Lord
00:22:40.81\00:22:42.27
just closed
these other motels off
00:22:42.30\00:22:45.53
because he had a
purpose for us being there.
00:22:45.56\00:22:48.00
And we would go
there for our meals,
00:22:48.03\00:22:49.77
we were there I think 3
days and these young men,
00:22:49.80\00:22:53.72
the stewards would
come and wait on us,
00:22:53.75\00:22:56.89
water or ask if
we needed anything.
00:22:56.92\00:22:59.65
We would go up to the
buffet to serve ourselves
00:22:59.68\00:23:01.71
but as we were
nearing our close there,
00:23:01.74\00:23:04.64
being there both two young
men came at different times
00:23:04.67\00:23:08.11
and said, are you a Christian?
00:23:08.14\00:23:09.57
Are you Christians?
It's the waiters there.
00:23:09.60\00:23:11.92
Yes.
00:23:11.95\00:23:13.01
One is named Deep,
00:23:13.04\00:23:14.85
he's the shorter man
in the pictures you'll see
00:23:14.88\00:23:17.13
and Sandeep is the other one.
00:23:17.16\00:23:19.43
And so we talked with them
00:23:19.46\00:23:20.86
and the taller
man is a Christian.
00:23:20.89\00:23:23.68
And he told us,
please do not forget me
00:23:23.71\00:23:25.66
when you go back to America.
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Please pray for me.
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And he's been trying
to witness to his friend
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Deep there, who is Hindu.
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And so we gave them
some of the literature
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that we had brought that
Sandra and Terri had developed,
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that's in Nepali on
different Bible topics
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and medical missionary.
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And then afterwards
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when we went back to the center,
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we had a copy of Steps to Christ
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that Joseph had translated
and The Great Controversy
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that we later had
sent by Joshua and Emily
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back to Darjeeling
to the acting pastor
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to please take to them.
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And he said he had done that.
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So I think it's
because we ate fruit
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and maybe because we
bowed our head for prayer
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that they wondered
if we were Christians.
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Yeah. People are watching.
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We never know about
the silent witness of
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how it can affect people.
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Generally now that
this was your first time
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going to this project,
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what was your impression
with Sandra and Terri?
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We were so inspired
and blessed by them,
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their dedication.
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Sandra, I guess has been
there 14 years I think in Nepal.
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She speaks English
with a Nepali accent.
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There is a one particular
sound that kind of go...
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and she does that with
someone of the English sounds
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and when she is
speaking English.
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And they call her Sandra Miss,
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and then they call
Terri, who's been there,
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I'm not sure how
long, but at least 10 years.
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She goes for 6 months each year,
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and they call her mommy.
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And just love both of them.
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And their
dedication, we would sit in
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and watch some of the
lectures that Terri would give.
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It's just how they've
dedicated their lives, it is--
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It's truly inspiring to us.
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And Terri being 70 years old,
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is not using the age
not, you know, the excuse.
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She's very healthy,
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she can walk right
along with the students,
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up and down these mountains.
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So we are very
impressed with her dedication.
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And the students
love them, you know.
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So you two going
there kind of like,
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we start out this
program Outside Looking In,
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you know, you're not
Laymen Ministry missionaries,
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you are people who just happen
to want to go in that direction
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and pop in and see
what was happening.
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What did you see the
needs are for this project
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and what they're doing up there?
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Did you notice
things that people
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who are watching this program
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might be
interesting in trying to help?
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I think they can use people
coming to help in any way.
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Most recently in
the Ministry Magazine,
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they actually
have provided a list
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of what could be helpful to them
00:26:17.37\00:26:19.08
and funds for Bible workers,
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funds for churches
in other locations.
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In fact the one in
Nepal that we were at,
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they actually had put together
a proposal to submit to Sandra
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and then to the
General Conference,
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requesting a church.
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And the GC called
while we were there.
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So we were
privileged to be a part of that.
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And we can build
churches in Nepal for way,
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way cheaper than in the west.
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I think $1,500 to $2,000,
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sometimes $2,500,
depending on the location,
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we can build a
pretty nice little church
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for new believers there.
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Now, at the beginning
of this program you said,
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you're going to be going back.
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Are you folks
leaving pretty soon
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to go some on
another mission trip?
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Yes, we are.
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November 4th we will be
flying out to other projects.
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We will be gone till March 10th
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and we definitely going to visit
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and they expect us.
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We've been
communicating with them,
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so we know when
they're going to be there,
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not out in the field.
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And so we will be visiting them
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and also
Darjeeling and see the two-
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Two waiters?
Yeah, the two men that--
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Do little follow-up,
long-distance follow up.
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Yes.
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I really appreciate
you folks coming here
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and sharing your
experiences in going,
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looking our project
from the Outside Looking In.
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And I just want to
encourage our viewers,
00:27:36.19\00:27:38.11
if you would like to
be part of this project
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or be involved with
this ministry in anyway
00:27:40.26\00:27:42.52
just contact us
at Laymen Ministries,
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that's 414 Zapada Road,
St. Maries, Idaho 83861.
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And you can
email us or contact us
00:27:49.27\00:27:52.07
through our
website at www.lmn.org.
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Thank you, folks.
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