Hi, we're glad
you could join us here
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at Laymen Ministries Studio.
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I have in our studio,
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Pastor Swami Das
Johnson from India.
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And we're just talking about
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how long we've
been working in India.
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And it's been what 20 years now?
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20 years.
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Oh, man, and you've been working
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with our ministry directly for--
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a something like 14,
15 years, about like that.
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Yeah, we have a lot
of interesting things
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happening in India right now
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and so we're going to
give you a quick update
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and Pastor Johnson
just came to United States
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and he's spending some
time with us here in Idaho.
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And I just came from
India just a few months ago
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and we have a new DVD out that--
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and television program,
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you might have
seen on 3ABN called,
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"India, Fishers of Men"
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and I just
encourage you to get that.
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Well, Pastor Johnson,
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this is 2014
almost the end of 2014,
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what kind of things
have happened this year,
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you know, we
built the new studio
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and we had a lot
of things happening,
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you know, end of
2013 and into 2014?
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What kind of things are going
on this summer and this year?
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This year is the
year of evangelism.
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By God's grace, 2014 so far,
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we have given 716 baptisms.
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And we are waiting
another three months
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that we will reach
1,000 baptisms this year.
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Out team, all our Bible workers
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enter into ten
un-entered territory
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that no
Adventist presence so far.
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And we were able to
plant six new churches
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in the city of Chennai.
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So when you say we've
planted six new churches
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you mean that there's
some people meeting up
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like four or five people meeting
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at little house some place?
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No it is not
like four, five people
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in some places 50, 60 people
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and some places 25 to 40 people
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and we usually hire a
place on the top of the house
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and put a temporary roof,
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something like that
and then the conference
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will appoint a Bible worker
to take care of the church.
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So this is not a kind of
house, church or something.
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It's a real church.
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So they have a
designated church?
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Yes.
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And then, down to
road, what Laymen Ministries
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usually does is that
we help acquire property,
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when different ways
that happens sometimes--
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And then we
build a building there.
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Yeah, it is not only
worshiping or giving baptism.
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We do the ground work
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and hold a evangelistic meeting.
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Then forming the
group Bible study,
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then church, then buy a property
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and building and follow forth.
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It's a long journey.
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Like you say,
it's a packaged deal.
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Yeah, so we had several
different interesting things
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happening this year.
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I know we got
publishing we can talk about,
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we have the
studio analyst going,
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we're working on web page design
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and doing
different things like that
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but lets talk about the
Bible workers for a second.
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We had, a couple of years
ago we had 12 Bible workers.
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Yes.
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And then we doubled it
to 24, what do we have now?
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Right now, 29 Bible workers.
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Yes, so when I was there
just a several months ago,
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I met some of the
Bible workers there.
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Well, we have
three ladies and two men,
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I think, now and
we've got a picture of them
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standing out in
front of the studio there
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and what is the
reason that you are trying
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to work in that area there,
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just because we're kind
of what in a rural area,
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you wanted to try to establish
churches close by the studio,
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is that what you were thinking
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or you just want to use it
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kind of as an outreach center?
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Basically you are
right, both points are valid.
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But our goal and our aspiration
is to reach the un-reach,
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share the Three Angels' message,
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so that is our main goal.
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So our main goal is to
share the Three Angels' message
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and plant the new
churches in un-entered territory
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and also our studio is there
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and only we have a
studio and equipment
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and if we don't have a
church around our studio
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there is no use in that.
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So we want to
implement in our studio area
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then go to the new place.
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So how is the
plan working so far
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with the Bible
workers using the studio
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as kind of like a
center hub for that area?
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Are they having Bible studies
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and have things happening there?
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It's awesome because
the things in this year,
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our Bible workers
enter into the six area
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in that places, six
un-entered territory.
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Because in the day time
mostly people will go for work.
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Because where our studio is,
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it's a agricultural
place, farming place.
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So because of that
mostly people will be ladies
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and everybody will
be in the work place.
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Afternoon they come,
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then they cook,
they take a rest.
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So our Bible
workers will go 4 o'clock.
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But in the city--
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4 o'clock in the afternoon?
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Yes, in the city our
Bible workers work morning
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but this side in our studio side
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our Bible workers work in
the evening 4 to 9 o'clock.
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And so you know, you
mentioned all of baptisms
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that are taking place
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or we've always
talked a lot about
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what kind of quality of
people are being baptized,
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are you-- feel really confident
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that the people
who are baptized,
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they've gone
through a whole process
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of really understanding
what the Bible teaches
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and they have a,
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a solid
foundation under themselves
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as far as what they believe?
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Yes, I am sure
because the main reason
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we are selecting
a town or a village,
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then our Bible workers
stay almost four to five months.
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Usually we stay
three to four months.
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Now we are staying four
to five months in a town.
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And we are visiting the homes.
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The first month,
making a friendship.
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The second month,
giving Bible study,
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then evangelistic
meeting then follow fourth.
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So it is kind of-- It
is not as simply giving.
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But there's
exceptions to the rules,
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you talked about a young
man by the name of Sarvana.
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How do you say it? Saravanan.
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Saravanan.
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Don't you just love
those Indian names, Sarvanan.
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You are right.
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He got baptized like that,
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what was the situation with him?
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The situation.
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You are right,
there are some cases
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we have given a
baptism in a short notice.
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With him, Saravanan,
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he called author
of our TV program.
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He watched our TV program.
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Actually he didn't call,
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his mother called us
for-- to pray for his son.
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Because Saravanan is
going for a interview.
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There we prayed.
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That evening his
mother called and said,
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my son got
appointment in Singapore.
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Evening she called us
and said, my son got a job,
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so I want to come to the church.
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Those same week
she and her son--
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she and her son
came to the church.
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And they gave a thank offering
and they asked me to pray.
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Then that week, actually,
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every alternate
week we have a baptism.
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So she saw the baptism
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then she said I
would like to join.
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Then we said you need a time.
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But she said, I saw miracle
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that you prayed
morning, evening it happened,
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so I want to take a baptism.
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No, no we will give you
baptism after one month.
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But she told us
before my son leave,
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I have to take a baptism.
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And today
Saravanan is in Singapore
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and he is sent the
money to his mother
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and mother purchased
a small property for us
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to build a church
in the city of Chennai
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in the northern part.
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So what you're basically
saying that there's those people
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who are sincere at heart
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and you could
recognize it and they say,
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I want to accept
Christ as my personal Savior
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and I want to be
baptized into this faith
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and they become active
participants in the church
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and they learn as
they're in the church
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and they're just
sincere, honest people
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who really have a sincere desire
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to want to know
what the truth is,
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and that was what
happened with this lady.
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You are right,
because even in the Bible
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there are lot of
examples we can see.
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In the book of
Acts, lot of example.
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So there are--
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But that's not our
standard procedure.
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Yeah, because there
are some cases, one or two.
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But generally we
give a Bible study,
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all our doctrines,
then we give a baptism.
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Well, you were
talking about evangelism
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but we also were
involved with revival meetings.
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How many revival meetings
have we done in so far in 2014?
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This year is a
year of evangelism,
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2014 for our union.
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So we have-- the Laymen Ministry
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has partnered with a
union and Pastor Shadrach
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hold a 25 revival
and reformation meeting.
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And myself and with our team,
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our young team, the technician,
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the studio with a
camera everything,
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35 revival and
reformation meeting.
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In some meeting the
union president came,
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union secretaries came.
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It's a kind of partnership
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between the union
and the Laymen ministry.
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And kind of trying to
strengthen the laypeople
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and churches that
may be are strugglings
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and having situations
where they're discouraged
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and things like that.
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So the revival meeting comes
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and it kind of helps them
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to put a little bit of
a fire underneath them.
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It is focusing on prayer
and the lifestyle of the people
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and then the reading the Bible,
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giving importance, so Adventist,
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that everyone should
get ready to meet Jesus.
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So we are kind of focusing
in the revival and reformation.
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Over the years we've published
a lot of literature in India.
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A lot, I mean
thousands and thousands
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of books and different things.
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Have we done much
publishing in 2014?
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What are some of the
examples that you could give us?
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And also before that
I want to say this year,
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we have finished 14
evangelistic meeting
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because this evangelistic
meeting is different
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and the revival and reformation
meeting is different.
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Because revival and reformation
meeting just four days,
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five days or some
places for one week.
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But evangelistic meeting,
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it's a kind of
covering our doctrines,
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going to un-entered territory,
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hire a big hall
and holding a meeting.
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And in some places
we had a good response
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and good churches not
only in the city of Chennai
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around Tamil Nadu,
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even in the
northern part of India
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and Pastor Shadrach
went to Andhra Pradesh
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because there we
have television show
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in Telugu language.
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He had a five
meetings in Andhra Pradesh
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and good response we had.
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Yeah, praise God for that.
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One of the things I just
want to share with the viewers
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is this whole idea of
native or national evangelism.
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The price that it costs for us
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to hold one of these
evangelistic series in India
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is the same as the
cost of an aero plane ticket
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for one American to go to India
to hold an evangelistic series.
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And so this is
really an effective way
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for evangelism,
it's cost effective
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between 15 to
1,700 dollars we can hold
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an evangelistic
series over there
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and it's done by nationals
with their own people group,
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with their own culture
and it's very, very effective.
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So publishing, let's
talk about publishing.
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So what happened in
2014 with publishing,
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this is like of like a
year end review you know.
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Yes and 2014 we
did Steps to Christ
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and we have printed,
because actually in 1998,
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we have printed Steps to Christ
with Pastor Shadrach Samuel.
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Very popular book.
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Very popular
book and people asked,
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where is that book
and you have to give
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because we did
in a good quality.
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So people asked to buy it.
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By the grace of God,
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again in 2014 we were able
to print the Steps to Christ
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and our division
president R. John,
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that-- he offered a prayer
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and he received
the first copy of that.
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What other things
did we publish in,
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we did what, testimonies,
councils to the church?
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Council to the church
and the Bible study material.
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The three major things
and we printed Great Hope.
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Wow, wonderful.
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Do you get a lot of response,
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lot of request for
that kind of material
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from our
television programs in India?
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Yeah, but television program
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also the people
who are in middle east,
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people who are in
France and England
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mostly more than Indian people,
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abroad, Singapore,
Malaysia they called us
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and their relatives
will come and take the books.
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And also for your information,
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in all our, in the
union they have taken action,
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all our school
should have a display
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in the entrance of the school,
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of all our
Laymen ministry books.
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Wow, wonderful.
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So they have a kind of a board
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and it's a glass is there
and inside there are books
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and if they want the
parents-- because in some school
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there are 4,000--
3,000 students are studying.
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We're publishing
a paper too, right?
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Is it like a magazine?
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Yeah, magazine.
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And what is the
name in the magazine
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and what's the contents in it?
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It is a magazine
of "Saving Hands."
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The saving hand magazine
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it's a name "LMN
Saving Hands" magazine.
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So it's the Laymen's Ministries
saving hands ministry in India.
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You are right.
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And the content is
one doctrine and Gospels,
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some letters from the viewers
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and some health tips
and some government--
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what is going on
in the government
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around the globe, like that.
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Oh, so like current
events, things like that.
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You are right. That's wonderful.
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Is it got a
pretty good circulation?
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Yes.
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Yeah, we are doing
like, the last quarter
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because we have
yearly four time we are doing
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and last quarter
we did 8,000 magazine.
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Wow. Yes.
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And so this year also we had
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some other
unusual things happening.
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You sent me
pictures of computers
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and sewing machines.
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Yes. What was that about?
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We have a studio,
we have equipment,
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we say Jesus loves
and Jesus is coming soon.
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But at the same time I--
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we want do some community
out reach to the people.
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People who are around
us. People who are near by.
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So we thought
computer is very attractive
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to the young people.
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So if the young people
come we will teach the computer.
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So they are coming to the
upstairs area of our studio.
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And it's a training center
and you are using that as a,
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like a community
out reach center.
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Out reach center.
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Is it, is it--
have good response,
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you get quite a
few people coming?
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Yeah, it's a good response
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because we started
almost now three months passed,
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around 15 students have come
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because we don't
want more students.
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Only have a couple computers
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so you have to be careful there.
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And also because we
don't have enough place,
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so just we want to
do little by little.
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So we are not
attracting too much,
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only that one village because --
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So this is kind of a
way to build a relationship
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within the local people
around the studio area there.
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And also the tailoring
classes also attract the ladies.
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So that Saturday they
can come to the church
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because in our
campus we have a church
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and Fridays, Saturday, Tuesday
the church service is going on.
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So people come and pray.
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So its kind of
builds a relationship
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with the people in the community
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and then they
start taking an interest
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in the Sabbath services
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going on the church
right behind our center.
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Yeah.
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That's really a blessing
that that's happening that way.
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There was also some pictures
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I was looking at
that you showed me
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about some blind people.
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What was that situation
behind the blind people
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coming to the church there
and you're giving them clothes
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or something like that.
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One of our Bible worker
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returning from
the work to the home.
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She was-- mostly
our Bible workers
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travel in metro train
and so she was on the train
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and she saw the blind people,
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then and our Bible
workers purchased something
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and she was talking what
is your name and all that.
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Then he was telling
and he is singing also,
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some blind people they will sing
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and they will ask money.
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So then our Bible worker
said you are singing very good
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why can't you come
and sing in our church.
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Then he said, I will come.
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His name is Das.
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Then he was so happy.
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So next Saturday he was
in the church and then he,
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everybody
appreciated his singing.
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Then we started
to give Bible study,
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then along with him there are
nine people have taken baptism.
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Nine blind people. Nine people.
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The Bible workers you know,
I go there, India, every year
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and I personally sat
with the Bible workers
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and listen to
some of their stories
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and have them explain some
of the challenges they have
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and the experiences they
have going door to door in India
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you know, targeting
an area around Chennai,
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which is one of
the largest cities
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in south India and
going door to door.
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Some of the
situations they have,
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people slamming
doors on their face,
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people opening
doors on their face
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and letting
them in and sometimes
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pushing them away and coming
back out and asking to come in.
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But can you think of
a couple of the stories
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you'd like to
share, like the one about,
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for instance, Jacob.
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A lady named Jacob and her
friend they are a kind of team
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that would be
working together for years.
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What happen with him recently?
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Usually our Bible
workers go in the morning
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and they pray near the bus stand
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or the railway
station or some places.
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And our Bible worker named
Savvy and Emily Mrs. Jacob.
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They were, as soon as they--
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down from the bus
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and then they were
standing near the tree
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and they were just praying,
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okay and
talking, where we will go,
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whether we will
go this way, side
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or this side or
they were talking
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because usually as
soon as they get off
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just they will talk,
00:19:06.62\00:19:07.77
okay, we will go
here or they will plan.
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There immediately,
as they were talking,
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the group of boys were
laughing and making fun of,
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hey, what they are
doing praying on the road,
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why they are praying?
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So then after that one guy,
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his name is Radha
Krishnan, he is a Hindu guy
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he called our
Bible worker then--
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but our ladies were,
they were very strong
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and very bold so
they went, what happened.
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And then he
said, oh, can you pray.
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Yeah, we will pray.
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But what will
happen if you pray?
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So they were asking
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if you pray it
will happen or this
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or like that they--
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and if you pray
something will happen to me
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or if I get that or
something like that.
00:19:50.55\00:19:53.49
So then she said,
our Bible worker said,
00:19:53.52\00:19:55.93
no don't play like that.
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No we will play why you
are coming and making us--
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Trying to convert
people or something.
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Convert people and all that
you are doing this and that.
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No we are not doing, we will go.
00:20:06.63\00:20:08.36
So then with their boldness
00:20:08.39\00:20:10.02
they didn't go
that side they went to--
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took a next turn and they went.
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Then the next day
again they were standing
00:20:16.20\00:20:18.96
and making fun
of our Bible workers
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and usually in all the places
00:20:22.55\00:20:25.81
where there is a bus
stand there will be a tea shop.
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A what shop? Coffee.
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A coffee shop, like
a tea and coffee shop.
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Yeah.
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So people this young people
00:20:34.86\00:20:36.66
or some kind of old
people will talk and laugh,
00:20:36.69\00:20:39.58
make fun of somebody like that.
00:20:39.61\00:20:41.83
So then, what
happened, one fine morning,
00:20:41.86\00:20:46.00
that guy he met an
accident and he met an accident,
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is a severe accident and
then he was hospitalized.
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In culturally, in our culture
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if something happen immediately
they will ask what you did?
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You did something against God
00:21:01.15\00:21:02.72
or something like that
people it is a kind of--
00:21:02.75\00:21:05.74
If the God's are punishing
him for something he said.
00:21:05.77\00:21:08.03
Punishing him something
like that is their nature.
00:21:08.06\00:21:09.64
So then he told, I
believe, that I made these--
00:21:09.67\00:21:13.49
I was making fun of
those Bible workers.
00:21:13.52\00:21:17.10
Then because of that,
then immediately his mother,
00:21:17.13\00:21:23.23
where you met them?
00:21:23.26\00:21:25.05
Then he said I met
them in the bus stand.
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So she was came on the
Friday, Friday they didn't go.
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Saturday, Sunday then
Monday she was able to find.
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Because the Bible workers
00:21:37.28\00:21:38.41
always carrying
their bible books
00:21:38.44\00:21:40.47
and have a bag
and things like that.
00:21:40.50\00:21:42.46
So you can kind of
pick them out little bit.
00:21:42.49\00:21:44.21
So what happened?
00:21:44.24\00:21:45.88
What happened
when she found them?
00:21:45.91\00:21:47.07
She found them
then she was happy
00:21:47.10\00:21:48.54
and she was crying,
00:21:48.57\00:21:49.66
ma, you have to come to hospital
00:21:49.69\00:21:52.49
and pray for my son,
00:21:52.52\00:21:54.20
I please
apologize, for what he did
00:21:54.23\00:21:56.98
and all that he
was talking like that.
00:21:57.01\00:21:59.48
Then our Bible
workers went and prayed
00:21:59.51\00:22:02.76
then he also delivered
00:22:02.79\00:22:05.01
but his mother
attracted to our Bible workers
00:22:05.04\00:22:10.35
and took a baptism she--
00:22:10.38\00:22:12.58
So she started
Bible studies with them?
00:22:12.61\00:22:14.73
So the mother of
that trouble maker
00:22:14.76\00:22:17.03
ended up being baptized.
00:22:17.06\00:22:18.09
Yes, baptized.
00:22:18.12\00:22:19.19
And they are our strong
pillars in our church now.
00:22:19.22\00:22:22.36
Wow, praise the Lord.
00:22:22.39\00:22:23.43
And near they are in the ocean.
00:22:23.46\00:22:25.46
It goes to show
you can't every--
00:22:25.49\00:22:27.53
always judge people
on the outside you know,
00:22:27.56\00:22:29.54
what's going on in their hearts.
00:22:29.57\00:22:31.13
You know, people look
at different people and go,
00:22:31.16\00:22:32.77
oh, that person
wouldn't be interested in,
00:22:32.80\00:22:34.88
and you find out later
that they are often times,
00:22:34.91\00:22:38.31
get really
interested in the truth.
00:22:38.34\00:22:39.95
And also, for your information,
00:22:39.98\00:22:42.08
our studio, by
God's grace and all
00:22:42.11\00:22:47.31
because of all our
prayers and the donors support
00:22:47.34\00:22:50.11
we were able to build a studio
and equipment, everything.
00:22:50.14\00:22:55.08
By God's grace, this
year, January we started
00:22:55.11\00:22:58.08
because actually
the studio started
00:22:58.11\00:22:59.99
to function 2013 September too.
00:23:00.02\00:23:05.02
And September,
October, November,
00:23:05.05\00:23:07.76
December the four months 2013,
00:23:07.79\00:23:11.09
we were doing the conversion
of all our old program into DVD
00:23:11.12\00:23:16.82
to upload in the YouTube
00:23:16.85\00:23:18.57
because most of the people
ask Pastor Shadrach, program
00:23:18.60\00:23:23.02
into the YouTube and all that.
00:23:23.05\00:23:24.96
So we did all that
work, website and all that.
00:23:24.99\00:23:28.94
Then January--
00:23:28.97\00:23:30.72
2014.
00:23:30.75\00:23:32.38
January, till now we were
able to produce 45 episodes.
00:23:32.41\00:23:38.82
45 episodes. Yeah.
00:23:38.85\00:23:40.42
Like sermons and
things like that?
00:23:40.45\00:23:41.97
You are right.
00:23:42.00\00:23:43.06
And then how many music videos,
00:23:43.09\00:23:44.14
which are really
popular by the way in India,
00:23:44.17\00:23:46.05
music videos are you have them
on your television programs,
00:23:46.08\00:23:48.76
people are glued to it.
00:23:48.79\00:23:51.28
That is eight, eight--
00:23:51.31\00:23:55.07
because we didn't
have some equipment,
00:23:55.10\00:23:58.25
just recently we purchased.
00:23:58.28\00:24:00.24
So just we
purchased two months back
00:24:00.27\00:24:03.17
so we just finished eight song
00:24:03.20\00:24:06.78
and we have
uploaded in the YouTube,
00:24:06.81\00:24:09.40
two songs and other
things, is the work is going on.
00:24:09.43\00:24:12.98
Well, at the
close of this program
00:24:13.01\00:24:14.31
we'll give a little sample
of one of those music videos
00:24:14.34\00:24:16.92
for our closing montage.
00:24:16.95\00:24:18.76
Okay, and I-- because of the--
00:24:18.79\00:24:21.65
and right now 2015
00:24:21.68\00:24:24.08
we want to have a
new TV program in a new--
00:24:24.11\00:24:28.50
New look.
00:24:28.53\00:24:29.59
Yeah, new look to
the need of the hour.
00:24:29.62\00:24:34.01
And also to meet,
00:24:34.04\00:24:35.65
actually to
attract the young people
00:24:35.68\00:24:37.59
because Pastor Shadrach,
00:24:37.62\00:24:39.55
we for the doctrinal
and conservative people
00:24:39.58\00:24:44.02
and one more show
we want to attract
00:24:44.05\00:24:45.97
the young people and children
00:24:46.00\00:24:47.48
because they are
the future of our--
00:24:47.51\00:24:51.05
So true.
00:24:51.08\00:24:52.38
So that's the thing.
00:24:52.41\00:24:53.66
Then we want to
focus on the publishing
00:24:53.69\00:24:56.95
that is a major thing.
00:24:56.98\00:24:58.32
We want to print
"Great Controversy",
00:24:58.35\00:25:00.34
because "Great Controversy"
we printed in the year 1999.
00:25:00.37\00:25:05.62
Yeah, we printed
a lot of them too.
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I remember having
stacks and stacks of them
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with Pastor
Shadrach standing there
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and we had like this room
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full of "Great
Controversy" all gone.
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Yeah, all gone and
now we want to print,
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but we want to print in
a simple format like that
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we want to make three section.
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Oh make it like
a three volume set.
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You are right.
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And color also
little different so that--
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because if it is so big people--
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it is not easy--
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Today, people even in India,
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they're not-- they're
going to iPads and tablets
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and things like that
and internet, laptops.
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Taking a book and
when you take a book
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and translate
into the Tamil language
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"Great Controversy"
goes from about this big
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to about that big.
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So you want to
break into three sections.
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Three sections so--
and also it will be cheap
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because when the people
buy it will be very easy,
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they can afford.
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So what would it
cost to print like,
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like say 2,500 sets of that?
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It is almost, it
comes 7,500 US dollars.
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And that's something that's
coming for this next year.
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What are the
books are we looking at?
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Then the "Desire of Ages."
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Which we printed that
one time too, already.
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We printed in 1999.
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1999.
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We printed and--
And they are all gone?
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They are all gone
because the previous
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GC president Jan
Paulsen, he inaugurated
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and he got the first copy
of the "Great Controversy"
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and the "Desire of Ages"
and they're all gone now.
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And everybody is asking
and we don't have that book.
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And that book is
the very important book
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for the new
believers and we also wanted,
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we wanted to print
in a three volumes.
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So that it will reach
to the un-reached people.
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And the important thing
is Bible study material.
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We want to, because we
have a Bible study material
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we printed this year.
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Because we printed that
also going to finish soon
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by end of this year.
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The main reason we want to print
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the "Amazing
Facts, Historical Lesson"
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in a color form,
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because lot of young
people attracted to that one.
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So we thought we will
do in a color-- for color.
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And we've had that
before in black and white
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but when I showed you
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what we did in the
country of Lithuania,
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with a really
nice four color ones,
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I think it's a really good way
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to go to
represent the truth we have.
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Any how our time is up
and I just wanted to thank you
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for watching our program today
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