Welcome to another
Laymen Ministries program.
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We're here in the
beautiful woods of North Idaho.
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I like to refer to
this as God's studio.
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I'm here with
Samuel Wang and, Sam,
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you've been a friend
of ours for many years,
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in fact, I think the first
time we met was probably around,
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I'm thinking 1998,
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something around in there? 1997.
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1997. Yes.
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We want to share
some of Sam's story.
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We want to
share little bit about
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what Laymen
Ministries connection with Sam
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is doing right now in China,
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to try to help
educate Chinese people.
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The first time you contacted me,
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where were you living?
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At the time I think I
first wrote to you in 1996,
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I was in Washington DC.
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And I just came
over from Hong Kong
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arrived December of '95
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and you know Maryland area
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and I saw you
have a China Project,
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I was very interested
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'cause I just
escaped from China in 1995.
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Yeah, you was
telling me this story
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about escaping from China
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and I'm like is this guy
really telling me the truth,
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I was little suspicious
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and I kept
listening to your story
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and how did you end
up escaping from China?
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What was that whole
situation that took place?
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Now basically just to
make a long story short,
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I was involved with 1989
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Tiananmen Square
Students Movement.
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I was a graduate student
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and I was studying in
University in Hunan province
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and I was part
of the organizing,
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you can call that
organizing committee,
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to organize the
students movement back then,
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but I didn't
know the big picture,
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I didn't know the
background back then,
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I only know we wanted to see
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some changes in
China for better.
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I just started
to, I was thinking
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that Bible is more for
political for and help,
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bringing democracy
and all this to China.
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So even though I
was studying the Bible
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but really no understanding,
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I vowed what we really want is
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to China have probably
down away with corruption
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and to bring a system
that will bring more varieties
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and new, new way of
directing people's life
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or activities or you may
call that a democratic system
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and but the
movement soon was over.
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Did you become
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disillusion at that
point or what was your thinking
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that happened after
the Tiananmen Square
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shootings took
place and all that?
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You know we were very excited
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with all the people back us
up and for the demonstration
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and just
striking, everything we saw,
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wow, we're gonna
help the country move
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but all of
sudden a few gunshots,
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then every student went to quiet
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and I have to run for
life because I was also wanted
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and so I run
away for few months.
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This was long time ago, in 1989.
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Long time ago but it
was a huge movement in China
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and it affects my life
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and it has a
great impact ever since.
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After that kind
of get disillusion
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then all of a sudden start
looking for different directions
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to try to make a change?
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Yeah, I thought, well,
we were almost getting it,
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then all of sudden it's
gone, I said what is it,
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why this
movement is so powerless
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and it couldn't make anything.
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And I'm putting
all my heart into this
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and then have to run for life
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and all the voices that
supporting the movement is gone.
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And just start to question,
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really, what would
really bring a change,
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what would really be the
thing that has power in itself.
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And so I come to the conclusion
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that political movement may
not be the answer for China,
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I started to switch to
searching for religious...
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Like a spiritual
change? Spiritual movement, yes.
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I think the problem is
not only with the system,
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it really was with people.
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So I start to search
for different religions.
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So what direction
did you go at that time?
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Taoism,
Confucianism and Buddhism
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and at the same time I
carried my Bible with me,
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I had a Bible at that
time. Are you serious?
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And I just couldn't
reconcile everything together
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and everything seems
to have some good to offer
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but you know
without a good understanding
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of each one of them
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and I was also kind
of a guy, got confused
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and it is at this time
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I run into Hare
Krishna devotees.
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We are intrigued with what this
Hare Krishna devotee would say?
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What they have to say,
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yes, they ask a
question do you think
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do you have
there's a soul in the dog
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and I just
never thought of that,
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you know, I thought
only humans had soul
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and a soul is eternal
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if you go as according
to my Christian friends,
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if you believe Jesus
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and when you
die, you go to heaven,
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if you don't believe in Jesus,
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you go to hell and you suffer.
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So the immortality of the
soul was a big part of your...?
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That's a big part of it,
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I said hold on a
second and in Buddhism,
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there's also be
divine reincarnation,
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kind of like a
concept that to the soul,
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something is there
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and that keep
on, keeps life going.
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Now I know
better about Buddhism,
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they don't
really call that a soul,
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but one way or another,
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it seems like
the life is going on
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and there's no death.
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We just have your phase from,
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one phase of
life into another one.
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Did you get involved
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then with the
Hare Krishna movement?
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I was very much
attracted to begin with
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and because Hare Krishna says,
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no, no, no, when you die,
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you don't go to hell,
even if you go to hell,
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the Krishna is so powerful,
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he'll deliver you,
give you another chance,
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give you another
chance until you're...
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That's pretty attractive option
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because with Christianity
you get just one chance
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and you're gonna
go to heaven or hell
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but with this, you actually
could try over and over again.
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Oh, yeah, it brings hope
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because we were
making improvement,
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and we're not
perfect this life ends in.
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Its lifetime it
gives more further way
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to give you more
chance to perfect your life
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and just a much better chance
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that you should,
you turn on to get,
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you're delivered and liberated,
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so I got into
Hare Krishna movement
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and it was all
my... heart and soul.
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You told me one time
you got so involved with,
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you worked your
way up to being like
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one of the highest
people in the movement,
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translated the
Bhagavad-Gita, is that right?
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I from a part-time devotee
I became a full time devotee
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and initiated and the movement--
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I actually was quite successful
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to start a
temple in Beijing. Wow.
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And attract a lot of students
from Beijing University.
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You really got into this.
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I was quite well
known in Hare Krishna
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during that year in 1993
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and because
probably one of the best
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who had brought more
people to the movement
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than any other one
in the whole world.
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Yeah, and so about
this time you met...?
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I translated
Bhagavad-Gita into Chinese
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and I wrote to my guru,
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I said you know Karl
Marx never came to China
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but some people
translated his works,
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people read it and China
became a communist country.
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Now we got this Bhagavad-Gita
translated into Chinese.
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This book alone
would change China,
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so my guru said,
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"Now you be my personal
representative for China",
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basically that would have put me
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on the leadership
position for the movement.
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People who are in Hinduism
or in Hare Krishna movement,
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they often times
look at Christians as,
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this is what I've
heard in India, too,
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they call them dog eaters
because they're not vegetarian.
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And so they have a tendency
to look down on Christians
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because
Christians are non vegetarian
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and you ran into
this lady Cathy...
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It was about the
time and I want to convert
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and help Chinese to
become Hare Krishna's
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and the first group of people
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I saw, well, we
Christians did know God
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and that's the goal we present,
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because they don't know
how to practice spiritual life,
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so I tried to convert my
Chinese Christian friends
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and they tried to convert me,
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none of us could be successful
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and they introduced me to a lady
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by the name of Cathy Leone
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and she was English
teacher in a college there.
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I was very much
impressed with her.
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She didn't speak much
but she was a vegetarian.
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Every time I went to talk
with my other Christian friends,
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I couldn't eat their meal
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but I found Cathy
was perfect, I kind of...
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So you could go witness to
her and get a free meal, too.
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Yes, I tried to convert
her, I was not successful
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and I gave my books to
her, she doesn't want to read
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but I tell, well,
let me read your books
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and trying to help you.
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And that happened to be
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the "Spirit of
Prophecy" books, Ellen White.
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It's one of those big
volumes, those like...?
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The three big rack of volumes,
it was 52 books combined.
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She gave you the whole works.
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It took me quite a while,
long time to read all of them
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and but as soon as I
read "Great Controversy"
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and discovered that the soul,
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the immortality is actually
the first deception of Satan.
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Immortality of the soul.
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But yet that's the pillar
of the Hare Krishna movement,
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so in other words
my faith collapsed
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and the pillars
gone immediately.
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So it convinced you that
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humans don't
have an immortal soul.
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It just convinced me
my former understanding
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about the Bible,
about eternal hell
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and about all of
these were wrong.
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And God is not a god
that would punish you
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forever and ever and he
is loving and justly God.
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So you got a whole
new picture of God.
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And that just
overnight I read it overnight
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and then they brought me
back to second morning, 1994.
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What do you mean
you read it overnight?
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I borrowed the books from her
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and then I started
to read it that night
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and I read
through Great Controversy.
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You read the whole
Great Controversy overnight?
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The closing chapter,
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my interest was
trying to find out
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what happened about this,
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the soul and the
immortality of the soul
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and whether there is
eternal burning hell,
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that was my focus.
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And I read those
chapters over and over
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and I was convinced that
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what the Bible thought
was God is a loving God
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and there's no such a
thing like eternal burning hell
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and I just wake
up the next morning,
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gave my heart to the Lord.
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So, Sam, we know back then
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since you're here today that
you are a Seventh-day Adventist,
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so something
happened between that time
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and your time coming to America
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and then working
with Laymen Ministries
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and being involved
with ministry in China
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and such, how were
you baptized over there?
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She gave me, when she
came back from her vacation...
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Who, Cathy?
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Cathy and she gave me a name,
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I wanted to be baptized.
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She said, "I can't baptize you
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but I know somebody who could."
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So she gave me a
name and a phone number,
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David Lynn, and
there was a phone number.
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I called, I don't
know who David Lynn was,
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I called that number and I said
I really wanted to be baptized
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and get in touch with
him and we made arrangement
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and eventually I
went to Shanghai,
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took a train, 28 hours travel
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from Hunan to Shanghai,
all the way across China.
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To be baptized.
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But because it was
illegal for Shanghai pastor
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to baptize someone
from another region,
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so I end up being
baptized in a bath tub.
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In a bath tub?
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In a bath tub and I think
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even though there's not
many eye witnesses of human
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but I think the Lord is there
and all of His angels are there.
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And for our viewers if you
don't know who Elder David Lynn,
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he's passed away
now about a year ago
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and he's kind of
like one of the patriarchs
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of the
Adventist church in China.
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And in the
1970s and early 1980s,
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I read a lot of his works
that were coming out of China
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and they were like
very inspirational to me.
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This man was theological
giant in a lot of ways.
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He's just somebody
I really looked up to.
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So you kind of
started this system
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and working with him there
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with translation
or something, right?
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I started with helping up
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dating the language
of "Desire of Ages".
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You know we can't
get into all the details
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about your escape from China
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but just in a
nutshell really quickly,
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tell us how did
you end up in America?
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I got in touch with a lady
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who was working in an orphanage
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and she reported
it's a very bad situation
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for the orphans
and needed some help,
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I eventually helped to bring
this case to outside of China.
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So you did this
to try to help a lady
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who is trying to
help orphan children?
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Yes, and she was
a physician there
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and she at the time she was,
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I think, in her late
50s or 60s and early 60s
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and she just
wanted to help the orphans
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and that it was the
main immediate cause,
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reason for me to escape China
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to trying to get
international attention
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to improve the situation.
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And later on the
Chinese government
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did made some new
regulations end of day,
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the situation has improved.
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So education has always
been a big part of your life,
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I mean you're in
continued education
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and your dream was to
have a school in China
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to educate people
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and, tell us a
little bit about your dreams
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and aspirations about education.
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I first just
taught textile engineering
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for eight years
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and then I went
to graduate school
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to learn linguistics.
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And then became a
college, a university teacher
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and then after
I became Christian
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and I was very much,
in China there's a need
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for to share the
knowledge of the Bible
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to the young people.
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And in the Mainland
China, there were like
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17 Bible colleges in China
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but none of them are advent--
belongs to the Adventists.
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And so I have
always had this dream
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to share the
truths with young people
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and that gradually grew
into an idea to open a school.
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After I came to the States,
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I went to
Southern to take my master.
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Southern College?
Southern University.
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Adventist University.
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And after that I went
to China to open a school,
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at the time it
was underground school
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and it was a vocational school,
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but we also taught the
Bible and the mission theology
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and the school have
trained about 200 some students
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after two years training
and it was officially closed
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but the progress still is on
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and later when I was not able
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to continue to work in China,
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I came back and I finished
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my doctorate
degree in missiology.
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So I have always had the
passion for do the missions
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and now in China,
there are so many,
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people are interested,
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they want to learn,
they want to be equipped
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but there's no school
that they really can go.
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What is, there's no
schools at all in China,
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like Adventist schools
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or Adventist seminaries
at all, anything like that?
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There's no official
Adventist seminaries at all.
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The church members and pastor,
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I know this can maybe
a sensitive thing to ask
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but are they really grounded,
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they know as much as
like people in the West
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as far as understanding
truths of the Bible
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and you know things like that?
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Since there's no schools
there, I'm just wondering.
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The main thing, the
main educator of China
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is the Bible itself
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and the Spirit
of Prophecy books,
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but we don't have a school
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but in every church,
in quite a few places,
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there are definite
efforts trying to reach people
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and to help
people to get trained
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and to study to explore together
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but the need is
still much greater
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than what we can,
what is already there.
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And so I have
been thinking nowadays
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with the technology
and with the internet
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and, so it's a
great way to send,
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to make
education more accessible.
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I was in China in 1993,
now that was a long time ago
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and I remember
being at this house
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where there was two
Adventist pastors there
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and some church members
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and they got into a
discussion about theology
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and I was like in America,
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I would never even hear this
kind of discussion taking place
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because it was a
settled question.
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You know the
Adventist church grows very fast
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from a very small
fraction of members
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and it is true in some
places, people don't know
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the Bible that well.
A little bit confusion.
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Yes, there's a
little bit confusion
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but over the years
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as the association
has improved quite a lot
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and they are, a lot of
work has been done and...
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But there's no like,
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any place like training
centers to train lay people.
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Yes, there's no
official place for training.
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Also there are
some creating ways
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of bring the training
there for young people
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and also for short
term intensive courses.
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There are some, some
efforts along that line
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but it is always
issue of security
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and you know quality and...
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So what have you
thought about trying to do,
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to try to help
remedy this situation?
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And one of the
ways I was thinking
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is to create a website
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that's specifically
devoted to theological
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and the missionological training
for the Chinese Adventists.
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And this will
become a resource website
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and we can now focus on
giving training in theology
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to have a deep
understanding in the Bible.
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You already had
experience in websites
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because I remember one
time you shared with me
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that you helped to get a lot of,
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collect all the Ellen
White writings together
00:19:01.18\00:19:03.66
that were in Chinese language
and help get them publish online
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and so you have some experience
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already with
dealing with websites.
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Yeah, it's about 10 years ago
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I probably was one
of the earliest to,
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amongst Chinese circuits
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to put Ellen
White's writings online.
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So you think a website
like what you are talking about
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could reach a lot of
people will really help them.
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And later on I also help
start to build a website,
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we have more than
60,000 registered members
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for this website. Wow.
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And everyday, there's about
00:19:29.31\00:19:30.48
3,000 to 4,000 IP
address to visit this website,
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so we had some experience
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and it was, the website
has blessed a lot of people.
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Like interactive courses
and things like that, too?
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It will provide
education in theology
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and not only in
theology... Amen.
00:19:46.35\00:19:48.70
And a need to have
more focus of mission,
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actually, mission is
a mother of theology.
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Sometimes the child is grownup
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and don't recognize the mother
and that's the reality today.
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So this will have
emphasis on the mission.
00:20:00.96\00:20:03.95
Like you and I
are talking about is
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you can have
mission but not theology,
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then you have...
00:20:07.51\00:20:08.59
You lose direction.
Yeah, you lose direction.
00:20:08.62\00:20:09.90
You don't know
where you are going.
00:20:09.93\00:20:11.46
You have a
motivation to do something
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but you don't have
any direction to go,
00:20:12.98\00:20:14.83
but if you're only in theology
but you don't have mission,
00:20:14.86\00:20:17.28
you have all this head knowledge
with no practical application.
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Exactly right, the mission
00:20:19.84\00:20:21.06
and theology
should go hand-in-hand
00:20:21.09\00:20:23.73
and the whole
purpose of the church is that
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church is for
mission and therefore,
00:20:28.11\00:20:31.00
this website will put a
lot of emphasis on the mission
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and bent to not only knows
00:20:34.53\00:20:37.36
how to talk with
those who know your terms,
00:20:37.39\00:20:39.52
but also know how
to talk to let's say
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a Buddhist and a Confucianist,
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a Taoist, an
atheist, a communist.
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What would be some of
the things on this website,
00:20:46.93\00:20:48.46
you say it's like a warehouse.
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What some of the things on
these shelves of the warehouse?
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Well, would be a
study in the Bible
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and it's the depth study of--
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the main focus of the Bible,
the main theme of the Bible
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and we can have a study
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and the teachings of
the Spirits of Prophecy
00:21:00.38\00:21:04.46
and how to
apply that to our life
00:21:04.49\00:21:06.11
and help the church
and we can also have.
00:21:06.14\00:21:09.87
All of this will be
both in a written format
00:21:09.90\00:21:12.48
and also as, you
know, take like our course,
00:21:12.51\00:21:15.33
like introduction to the Bible,
00:21:15.36\00:21:17.18
outline of the Bible
or the themes of the Bible
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or the themes of the New
Testament, Old Testament.
00:21:20.25\00:21:21.71
So you'd assess
what you're saying is
00:21:21.74\00:21:23.12
you're creating an
online seminary and is kind of?
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It's more or less like
that and like the mission
00:21:25.56\00:21:29.81
and the biblical
ground for the mission
00:21:29.84\00:21:33.23
and like today
how to do evangelism
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and like a big buzzy
world like contextualization
00:21:36.86\00:21:41.73
and you know how
to bring the gospel,
00:21:41.76\00:21:45.64
the message into the
culture, into the context. Yeah.
00:21:45.67\00:21:48.64
And how to talk
with your neighbor
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who knows
nothing about the Bible.
00:21:51.48\00:21:53.05
I know we recently
bought you a video camera
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and you said
you're gonna start doing
00:21:54.73\00:21:55.97
some instructional courses.
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And even that would be
00:21:57.30\00:21:59.56
a classroom
like, a live classroom,
00:21:59.59\00:22:02.79
you can check in and register in
00:22:02.82\00:22:04.70
and then we can see
each other over the internet.
00:22:04.73\00:22:08.27
Young people in China too
00:22:08.30\00:22:09.48
right now are fascinated
with electronic. Oh, yes.
00:22:09.51\00:22:12.97
And if it's situation like that
00:22:13.00\00:22:15.36
and we will also
offer intensive courses,
00:22:15.39\00:22:18.81
when there's lot of
people are interested,
00:22:18.84\00:22:21.03
of course they say
Daniel in Revelation,
00:22:21.06\00:22:23.33
we may actually go to
China and get those people
00:22:23.36\00:22:26.50
just like one or
two weeks together
00:22:26.53\00:22:30.08
and actually
teach intensive course.
00:22:30.11\00:22:33.82
And what is the name
of the website again?
00:22:33.85\00:22:35.91
It is called Fuyintd.com,
00:22:35.94\00:22:39.04
I already
registered this domain name
00:22:39.07\00:22:42.41
and we are working,
we're trying to buy that.
00:22:42.44\00:22:43.99
What does that mean in?
00:22:44.02\00:22:45.22
Fuyin means gospel. Gospel?
00:22:45.25\00:22:47.13
Yeah and T means in
Chinese it means heaven
00:22:47.16\00:22:50.89
and D means the earth.
00:22:50.92\00:22:54.02
It's basically a place
for sharing the gospel.
00:22:54.05\00:22:59.35
And you can say the
gospel campus, Fuyin
00:22:59.38\00:23:03.43
and every Chinese will
identify that very well,
00:23:03.46\00:23:07.00
it's the Chinese way
of saying the gospel.
00:23:07.03\00:23:09.40
And you say that
there are other websites
00:23:09.43\00:23:11.00
that you've been involved with
00:23:11.03\00:23:13.33
is one of the
top ten hits in China
00:23:13.36\00:23:15.16
right now for when
people are searching out
00:23:15.19\00:23:17.06
questions about the
Bible inserts, right?
00:23:17.09\00:23:18.88
If you search anything in
that website about the Bible,
00:23:18.91\00:23:22.25
about a specific subject
00:23:22.28\00:23:24.61
and that website
will come up, very high.
00:23:24.64\00:23:27.84
So this will not only be
for Chinese people in China,
00:23:27.87\00:23:30.84
but it'll be for Chinese people
that might be working in India,
00:23:30.87\00:23:35.13
they'd be working in
Malaysia, Singapore I mean...?
00:23:35.16\00:23:38.90
Yes, we Chinese
have different dialects
00:23:38.93\00:23:41.61
but the written
format, it's the same,
00:23:41.64\00:23:44.45
we all write and read the same.
00:23:44.48\00:23:46.21
So what you're saying is that
00:23:46.24\00:23:47.49
the person from
some other country
00:23:47.52\00:23:49.59
even though they might
not speak Mandarin Chinese,
00:23:49.62\00:23:51.68
they can read the
Chinese characters?
00:23:51.71\00:23:53.73
Yeah, exactly.
00:23:53.76\00:23:54.85
Wow, that means it can reach
00:23:54.88\00:23:55.91
a lot more people
than just in China.
00:23:55.94\00:23:57.36
And this will be a good way
00:23:57.39\00:24:00.19
and to make the gospel
be very contextualized,
00:24:00.22\00:24:05.19
people would not
speak like foreign words,
00:24:05.22\00:24:10.49
Jesus will be more or less
like Jesus for China. Amen.
00:24:10.52\00:24:15.23
And so this will be
a culturally adapted.
00:24:15.26\00:24:19.69
You were involved with research
00:24:19.72\00:24:20.94
and wrote a book called
"God and the Ancient Chinese"
00:24:20.97\00:24:24.00
and we're just about ready
to reprint this book right now
00:24:24.03\00:24:26.65
and this is an amazing book.
00:24:26.68\00:24:27.71
I would encourage our viewers
00:24:27.74\00:24:29.14
to get in touch
with our ministry
00:24:29.17\00:24:30.30
and go online
and find this book.
00:24:30.33\00:24:32.07
But tell our viewers a
little bit about the book?
00:24:32.10\00:24:34.08
This is a book to
trace all historical document
00:24:34.11\00:24:37.71
to put a link
that between Chinese,
00:24:37.74\00:24:39.99
modern Chinese and
the ancient Chinese
00:24:40.02\00:24:42.20
but more important is
how the ancient Chinese
00:24:42.23\00:24:45.36
has always be worshipping God
00:24:45.39\00:24:47.62
and this provide enough
evidence for the modern Chinese
00:24:47.65\00:24:51.54
to bring them to
the belief of Jesus,
00:24:51.57\00:24:54.58
and actually Jesus
is not a foreign God,
00:24:54.61\00:24:56.71
he's actually, He has
been the God to create a God
00:24:56.74\00:24:59.82
that Chinese has been
worshipping from the beginning.
00:24:59.85\00:25:01.86
Can you give us a few
examples out of the book
00:25:01.89\00:25:03.34
that you're talking about?
00:25:03.37\00:25:04.98
For instance,
Chinese has always been
00:25:05.01\00:25:06.72
talking about the holy man.
00:25:06.75\00:25:08.20
A holy man who'd come
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and he would teach the
people with word of God
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and the whole
universe will surrender to him
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and he was, you
know, noble position
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and he will
assume a lower position.
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And not only
that the Chinese has,
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in this document, we have
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from Confucius
writings and other classics,
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there's always been the
teachings of righteousness
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and we can almost find
every single Adventist doctrine
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in all this writings
including the Sabbath.
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Wow, that's incredible.
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And so it has been
a very good resource
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to open ways to
reach the Chinese,
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I've been using this message
to hold evangelists meetings,
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you know, all over the world.
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And the Lord has always been
blessing us with this effort
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and has brought a lot
of people into the church.
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Praise God.
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And this message, this will be
one of the ways that we reach,
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you know, website is to use
the culturally adapted message
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to educate our members
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to which they follow
our countrymen. Amen.
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Samuel, how can
people get involved
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to help with this project?
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Well, number one,
you can pray for us
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and that,
this-- we will be guide
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and be sensitive to the call
and the lead of the Holy Spirit
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and every single word
will be shared on this website
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and different
courses that's gonna come
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will be a real blessing.
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It is something that we
have learned of Christ first,
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before we go and
share with others.
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And it will be at
time that we can explore
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and learn together
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with our viewers,
with our brothers,
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whoever they will
be, to learn together
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in the school of Christ.
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And this is our greatest need
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I think that
that's what our viewers,
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we would solicit
your prayers for us.
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And secondly,
certainly a website like this
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is going to involve a
lot of work for the shooting,
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the preparation for the
courses, these reading materials
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and to have people to
do correct the assignments
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and to edit, to
maintain the website,
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and there's a lot of need
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and so financially
there will be some need
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and I know you can,
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if you can help in some way
that will keep us in the air.
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This is a
powerful, powerful tool
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for reaching a lot of people
that read Chinese characters.
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We really like to
encourage our viewers that
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if you want to be
involved with this project
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to help with this powerful
way to reach a lot of people
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who speak Chinese language.
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To be able to contact our
ministry at Laymen Ministries,
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that's 414 Zapada Road,
St. Maries, Idaho, 83861.
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Or you can contact
us through our website
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at www.lmn.org.
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Or call us on
our toll free number,
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if you're in
Canada, United States
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at 1800-245-1844.
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