We are glad you joined us
here at Laymen Ministries.
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We're currently
out in the wilderness
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here in North Idaho
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and I have with me Pastor
Johnson Swamimdoss from India.
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Pastor Johnson, kind of
nice to be here in North Idaho.
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Are you just in to the
cooler weather from India.
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Yes. Some kind of, in
India right now its 105.
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Oh. Yeah.
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So you have come here to Idaho
and you are freezing to death.
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You are right.
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You know, for
you coming from India
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and coming here to America
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and you have been to
our ministry several times
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what is the one
thing that you have noticed
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is really different
between Idaho and India.
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If you go anywhere even
if you go remote village
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any place you can
see a thousands of people
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but here I couldn't
see anybody only cars
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or even the Idaho
no cars just trees.
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For little recreation on
Sunday we were out driving
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on some four wheelers
and he was just amazed,
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says no cars here or anything.
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I'm just trying to remember
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about how I met
you the first time.
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I think I saw
you before I met you
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and the first time
I saw you actually was
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when we started
our DVD programs.
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You were right.
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And I think you were the guy
that was introducing Mark Finley
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on that television series. Yes.
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And we had our bible
workers going to peoples houses
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and showing
those VCD'S and DVD'S
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and I saw your face
introducing Mark Finley
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but we met just
shortly after that, didn't we?
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You are right.
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In the year 2000, end of
the 2000 we actually met.
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One day--I think it
was Sabbath afternoon
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we met in the--
Mr. Daniel house.
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Oh, I remember
that. You remember?
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I think Mr. Daniel is one
of the leading church member
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in the city of Chennai
and I was in one church
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and you and Pastor Shadrach
were attending another church
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and actually we are meeting
in the residence of Mr. Daniel.
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Yeah, I remember
that Sabbath afternoon
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and there was discussion
about how our ministry
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had been thinking about starting
a television ministry in India.
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You are right.
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And for some reason figures
pointed that you and Shadrach.
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Well, how come that happened?
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And the reason in the year
2000, after Elder Muffin left,
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actually I started a
television program with a faith.
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Then that time I was
talking to Mr. Daniel
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and some of the
friends who are passionate
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about the television ministry.
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Since it is a
half and hour program
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why can't we
include Pastor Shadrach
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that I can
preach a gospel sermon
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and let him share
a doctrinal sermon.
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Were you having
some difficulties
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trying to give your
program going at that time?
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Yeah, kind of financial problem
also since I'm a single man
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I don't want
carry on too much burden
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and so I was telling-- so
then I asked Pastor Shadrach,
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why can't you preach 15 minutes.
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Then he said I have to
talk to elder Jeff Reich.
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Then when you came
then we were talking
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about Pastor Shadrach involving
in this television program.
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Then immediately you told
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then we will partner 50
percentage 50 percentage.
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Before I met you we were talking
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about television
ministry buying a camera.
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And that day our
Indian friends said,
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today was a
providential meeting of God
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because today maybe
we'll actually start
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an organized television ministry
that will be consistence
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and we can get a good slot
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on some different
television networks.
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What happened right after that?
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After that by God's grace
we Pastor Shadrach and myself
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I think since 2001,
March that we are together.
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Since 2005 to
2012 we are in Jaya TV.
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Jaya TV is
focusing on a Hindu, mostly.
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The satellite
own by Hindu people
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and it is reaching
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almost 95 million
people the potential audience.
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So we are in good
satellite television
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and also our program
watched mostly by Hindu people.
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Wow. And let's go back
to Mr. Danielle's house.
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You are right.
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But for some reason I
remember you telling me
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that this was like a historic
moment in Adventist Church.
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Why did you say that?
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Because we were no-- I
mean, the television program
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is actually in that moment
though I was having a program
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but that moment
kind of partnership
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because television is
not a one person can handle.
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But we need a kind
of partners together.
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So that's why I told
it is a historical moment
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and pioneering
television ministry
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in the whole of
Southern Asia division
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of Seventh-day
Adventist church in India.
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That's why I told it's
a historical moment. Yeah.
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So since we together
pioneered the work there
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then from the very beginning--
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You are right, yeah.
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You said 2005 we started
on Jaya television. Right.
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But prior to that,
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what were some of the
first networks we were on?
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I think I was--
we were in Vijay TV.
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Was that cable or
was that satellite?
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It's a satellite.
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It's a Vijay, he is the one of
the leading satellite kind of--
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it belongs to
Star TV International.
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I have seen that a lot of
times in a hotel room in India.
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You were right, it's a Vijay TV
is one of the leading satellite.
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Then next one Raj TV.
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They are also satellite TV,
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they are also
leading TV channel.
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And first we were
in Vijay, second Raj
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then third Jaya TV.
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And when we say that
they are satellite networks
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really we're saying that
not only broadcast by satellite
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so that could be down
linked in to various countries
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in different points of India
but in the rebroadcast on cable
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like all through Chennai or
what was called Madras, Mumbai
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and all these
different major cities
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have this television broadcast
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being picked up on
their cable network.
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Even for your
information the program
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is coming in USA, California,
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New York, Australia,
from Alaska to Sydney.
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So down around the globe.
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Even most of the
places in France,
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Tamil people are
there. In Canada.
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Pastor Shadrach was recently
invited to come to France
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to hold meetings because people
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watching the
program on television there.
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So we know there is a
viewing audience out there
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and lot of people watching.
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How many networks
are we on right now?
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We are in eight major television
programs and one cable.
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I mean, cable mean it
is not a big territory
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it is a small place.
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So what are some of the
other networks that we are on?
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Good News
Television, the second one is
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we are in DON
Channel in the Europe
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and Thendral TV in Middle East
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and our program is
watched by through internet.
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There is a kind
of TV called NumTV.
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NumTV, it's subscribed
by more than 75,000 people.
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That's the wave
of the future. Yes.
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I know that we had
quite a number of people
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who were in
Dubai and Arab Emirates
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who watch the program. Yes.
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And since we have an account
set up for a ministry in India
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that they actually have
been sending some support
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from those countries
to support the work there.
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Well, I was just there just a
couple of months ago in India.
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And we are kind of starting a--
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I guess you could say our
next level of development.
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We have the Bible
workers right now.
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How many Bible
workers do we have right now?
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We have 30.
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Thirty. Yeah.
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Yeah, I remember when I
was there the year before last,
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you and I talked
and we prayed together
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about doubling the
amount of Bible workers.
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You are right.
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So we doubled the
amount of Bible workers?
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Yeah, doubled the
amount of Bible worker
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and there are some supervisors
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and there are some
volunteers involved.
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Part time kind of
that and so they are--
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because the
supervisor work is to take care
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of the Bible workers and
wherever the Bible workers go
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and share the word of God
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and the supervisors
will follow with them.
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Tell about the whole
process, how it works
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because we have a
unique process there
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that is actually being
like held up as a model
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for other people to copy
the type of ministry in India.
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Yes.
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Because we have a
kind of unique strategy
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that we are
following because usually,
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I understand television means
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just people
preach and its go on.
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And that's it. That's it.
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But our work it's not like that.
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We are in a Hindu
satellite and the cable
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then once the people
or the viewers call us.
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When they call us
we will through mail
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or through phone
we will give a reply.
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Then we will see the kind of
response we get from the place.
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Then we will
send our Bible workers
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to do a kind of ground work.
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We will select a town
and when our Bible workers
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go to that particular
place and do a ground work.
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When they do a ground work
it is a kind of four months,
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the first two months
it's a kind of friendship,
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the second month is kind
of forming group Bible study,
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the third month--
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You mean like a close
relationship with them
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and then starting
the Bible studies.
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Bible study,
then the third month
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is evangelistic
month, evangelistic meetings.
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Then the fourth month
is the follow of work.
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Then what we will
do we will try to find
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kind of temporary worship place.
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Then people will
gather in that place.
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So it is--our work is a
complete package of evangelism.
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Also because of the
fact that people call in
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from the television programs
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the Good News
Television programs
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that Pastor Shadrach does were
your Bible answer the questions,
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questions were answered
and people are calling in
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and you were
sending literature out.
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When I was in
India this past January,
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you took me to a rented place
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that we have for
Laymen Ministries right now
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that has bunch of
literature stored there.
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And so what is the
distribution method
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that you are
using for all literature
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that we've been
printing in Tamil language.
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What we are doing
currently number one,
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we are sending Bible
lessons to our viewers.
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Those who call us in the
phone or those who send a mail
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or something like that.
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When we receive a mail or
the phone call immediately
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we will send the
discovery Bible lessons.
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And also we will
send steps to Christ,
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Great Controversy, the
life sketches of Saint Paul.
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First we will
send a Bible lesson,
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then we'll see
how they are interest,
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if they are interest
immediately what we will do,
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we will send one book,
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then we will
ask a near by pastor
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go and meet that
person, how they are interest.
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Then we will ask them
to come to the church.
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Recently one person
called us from Pune.
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Then immediately our--
the person who was in charge
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for the phone told that
is a college, Spicer College,
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you can go that
church for prayer.
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Then the following week went,
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the next week he came to
Madras our prayer centre.
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And you have a--you
showed us the gentleman there
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and his task is to
go there to that centre
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that we have now
its a rented house
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and he is like
shipping book stall.
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He's different places
all the time packaging up
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and boxing them and everything.
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Have you been publishing
like a little magazine
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or something like that too?
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It is called Saving Hands.
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Just like the television
ministry on Indian network.
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You are right.
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It is a magazine that we
are sending to all the viewers
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and also when we have
a evangelistic meeting
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we will
distribute that magazine.
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Because in that magazine
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it focus a kind
of health magazine
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also a doctrinal study
also the gospel message
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and lot of small
question and answer
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so give a kind of
attraction to the audience.
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One of the problems that
we've been having over there
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is that with all
the television networks
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that were on is you
often you and Pastor Shadrach,
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Samuel are having to
go to commercial studio
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and record your footage.
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What are some
of the difficulties
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that come from doing that
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so that you can
get you raw you know,
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together to take to
your editors to edit it.
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Because the city of
Chennai is a full of movie place
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and the studios, lot of studios
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but because it is
famous for film centre
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kind of called Eastern Hollywood
because it is a centre.
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So always all the studios
will be kind of full always.
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So they will give a time
but they a will a kind of
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three hours, two hours,
or four hours like that.
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And then
sometimes you show up there,
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they tell you oh, we are sorry
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we can't have you come in
today because we are too busy.
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Yeah, sometime they will
say like that, sometime--
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and we will
think about the time.
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Sometime even if the
Holy Spirit speaks a message
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we will consider about the time.
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So what you were saying is that
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you were looking at
the clock constantly
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going oh, I have to
finish this up really quick
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because the next people are
coming in to do the recording
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and so you are under a
lot of pressure to thrive in.
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Yeah, and also if
the half and hour goes
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then I have to pay for one hour.
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Do they ever start
the clock charging you
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and then they don't
come in to the studio
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and they are wasting time.
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Yes, yes.
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Since money
gets wasted this way.
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Yeah, money it's the
major frustration is money.
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We have been talking
about this for couple of years,
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where we have been
having some struggle of finding
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the right piece of
property and everything.
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If we had our
own television studio
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it would eliminate
a lot of this stress
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and that is happened
when I was there in January.
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I want you tell
our viewing audience
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about what just
recently happened here.
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Yeah, recently we have
been praying for this land
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last I think 3, 4 years.
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But inside the city
it is very expensive.
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So we have went out of the city
in the northern part of Chennai
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where in future the
Christianity will grow.
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So we thought of having
a Laymen Ministry Centre
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in that centre we
want to focus many areas.
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Kind of studio,
then kind of books store,
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then kind of training
centre for all our lay people
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who wants to
involve in the Bible work
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and also worship place.
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So it is a kind of
centre for enriching believers
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through media, through training,
through translating books
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and also a prayer centre
for all of the TV network
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because in
future we are planning
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mostly in small cable also.
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I think if everything
goes well, if our centre finish
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we will focus in looking corners
of all cable small, small cable.
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So if you want to
go to the small cable
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we have to produce lot of DVD's
and also we want to produce--
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That's all you were saying that
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because if we have our
own studio in this centre
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then we don't have to always
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just focus on
television production
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which will continue to do
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but we can make
DVD series there.
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Which can be various lengths
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and a person
could do a whole series
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and what would you
do with those DVD's
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once they were produced.
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We will send to our viewers.
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Because our TV viewers will ask
we need that particular sermon,
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then we will send.
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Then the secondly
we will sell the DVD
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whenever we have the
evangelistic meeting,
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we will sell for
our daily operation.
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And you could advertise
this on a television program
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like a full
message set of a DVD's
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that are professionally
produced in the studio.
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Yes. That's a great idea.
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One of the questions
I would like to ask you
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is the one that I get
asked for a lot is people say
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well, I have saw Pastor
Johnson on Hope Channel.
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I have read about
Pastor Johnson on Review.
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Seems like Pastor
Johnson's involved
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with a lot of different things,
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you know, what is your
relationship with our ministry
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and how is at this
sometimes you were involved
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with some of these
other different organizations.
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I'm a union evangelist
paid by the local conference
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also the church pastor.
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I may taking care of two
church in the city of Chennai.
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My basic work is to
formulate the strategy
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to reach the un-reach place.
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So since I involved in
the television in India
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first in 2000, when
elder Mark Finley came.
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Then after that first I joined
hands with Laymen Ministry.
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So that was kind of my project.
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In American
culture that was your baby.
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Yeah, kind of baby.
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I started and learned
also from this lot of--
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Because we've been
working together very closely
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in coordinating everything,
00:19:07.78\00:19:09.43
financing all this television
ministry for years now.
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You are right.
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Twelve years in
fact. Yeah, 12 years.
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Also I'm coordinating the Laymen
Ministry television program
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for Good News
Television in Andhra Pradesh
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because our
program in Andhra Pradesh
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the potential
audience is 85 million people.
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Wow.
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So we are not only pioneer
our TV program in Tamil Nadu,
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Also in Andhra Pradesh.
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We are also planning
to do a Hindi program,
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Hindi Television
program in Northern India.
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Our main focus is
to reach the un-reach
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also the Hindu audience mostly
through the secular channel.
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And I'm involved
since I'm a paid worker
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of Southern Asia Division
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so I'm involved
in various ministries
00:20:07.69\00:20:13.92
of elder Mark
Finley, Doug Batchelor
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and Gospel Outreach, Quiet Hour
00:20:17.42\00:20:20.35
because I was a
kind of strategy.
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I finished my doctor
studies in church plantings.
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And a lot of this kind of was
00:20:29.27\00:20:31.11
because of your
position in the church
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and you work with
us in the TV ministry
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the division Elder Watts
00:20:36.75\00:20:38.13
especially when he was there
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as a division
president for years,
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he would always
come to you and say,
00:20:41.59\00:20:43.48
could you help this
organization do this project
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or with that project
but it was kind of like
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just helping with different
things in different areas.
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Not that you
were actually sponsor
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to work in closely with them
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as like you are
actually just to help them
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accomplish a certain goal.
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Your are right here.
00:20:58.50\00:20:59.53
There with Laymen
Ministries you would be in there
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I can't tell you the whole time.
00:21:01.44\00:21:03.08
Yeah, whole the time.
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We had some
property that we thought
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we obtained a year ago. Yeah.
00:21:06.12\00:21:07.74
And we had some complications
we found out with easements
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since things with his property.
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And so now what is happened
since this last December
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when I was there in January.
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Oh, we purchased the property--
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Is the title off
clear? Everything is clear.
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Is that property paid for,
that's an important question.
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Yes, we paid for the property.
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And the next step
is we have applied
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for the government
permission to build a building
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because we want to have
a multifunctional building
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different
function in one building.
00:21:41.32\00:21:43.51
This is that centre you
were just talking about.
00:21:43.54\00:21:44.83
Yeah, centre, Laymen
Ministry India centre
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for producing TV
program, DVD, training centre.
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Now we have some generous people
who are viewers of our program
00:21:55.92\00:22:00.14
that sent us money to help
us buy most of the equipment
00:22:00.17\00:22:03.13
to get the studio going.
00:22:03.16\00:22:05.25
I think, I don't
know how much money
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we have in our account in India
right of the top of my head
00:22:07.33\00:22:10.18
but how much do you think
that this building is gonna cost
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and how are you
planning on building,
00:22:14.06\00:22:15.74
you are gonna
build it all at once
00:22:15.77\00:22:17.05
or you're gonna
do in stages or what?
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I believe our God
can provide everything.
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But may be
through little by little
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maybe first we want
to start the ground floor
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and the studio
then the book centre
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and one guest room.
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Kind of like do that
section of the building first,
00:22:39.34\00:22:41.87
get that studio up and running.
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Yeah, running.
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So that because studio,
the church also the conference
00:22:44.73\00:22:48.73
people will built are
the back side they will--
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Built like a worship.
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Just like a small
church or some sort.
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And it won't really be--
won't be part of our ministry,
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it's just
something related to do.
00:22:59.59\00:23:00.62
Yeah, something
it is belong to them
00:23:00.65\00:23:02.78
but we can use for the equipping
00:23:02.81\00:23:05.94
the lay people we
can use that place.
00:23:05.97\00:23:08.61
So my point is we can first,
00:23:08.64\00:23:11.31
the urgent need
is the book centre
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and the guest room and a studio.
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And what do you
think that the total cost
00:23:17.38\00:23:19.06
will be for trying to do this.
00:23:19.09\00:23:20.37
You need just a rough idea's.
00:23:20.40\00:23:22.18
Say now we talked at one time
00:23:22.21\00:23:24.58
between $60,000 to
$100,000 for the whole facility.
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You are right.
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I think if you have that
I think we can finish it.
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And right now we
have about $20,000
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we were just
talking couple of days ago.
00:23:35.86\00:23:38.02
And just really want to
encourage our viewers that,
00:23:38.05\00:23:40.76
this is a vitally
important project.
00:23:40.79\00:23:42.66
We've been in
India since 1994 actually
00:23:42.69\00:23:47.00
and we have been doing
the television ministry,
00:23:47.03\00:23:48.66
pioneer the television ministry
in India since year 2000
00:23:48.69\00:23:52.35
and we have wasted I don't
want to use the word wasted
00:23:52.38\00:23:55.93
but we spent
incredible amount of money
00:23:55.96\00:23:57.98
in paying commercial
studios to do our production
00:23:58.01\00:24:02.31
sometimes a
lighting is really poor,
00:24:02.34\00:24:04.02
the makeup is
bad, the audio is bad,
00:24:04.05\00:24:05.76
there is just host of
things that Pastor Johnson
00:24:05.79\00:24:08.12
didn't go on into saying about
how this happens over there
00:24:08.15\00:24:11.61
as far as
causing problems for us.
00:24:11.64\00:24:13.37
We had our own
production facility,
00:24:13.40\00:24:15.14
we'll have complete control,
00:24:15.17\00:24:16.69
we have money put away
from most of the equipment
00:24:16.72\00:24:19.10
we just need to get
this building up and going.
00:24:19.13\00:24:21.10
So I really encourage you,
00:24:21.13\00:24:22.61
the Holy Spirit
touches your heart,
00:24:22.64\00:24:24.06
you want to help with this
project to call us or write us
00:24:24.09\00:24:26.47
at Laymen Ministries
that's 414 Zapada Road,
00:24:26.50\00:24:29.74
St. Maries, Idaho, 83861
00:24:29.77\00:24:32.30
or to get in touch with us
on our website at www.lmn.org.
00:24:32.33\00:24:39.13
When I was there
just recently in January
00:24:39.16\00:24:42.91
I was surprised
there was a baptism,
00:24:42.94\00:24:44.64
I think of 10, 12 people.
00:24:44.67\00:24:46.87
How many people have
been baptized recently
00:24:46.90\00:24:48.81
and what is happening
00:24:48.84\00:24:49.94
with evangelism
there with our ministry.
00:24:49.97\00:24:51.87
Since January till
in the month of March
00:24:51.90\00:24:57.02
we gave 256 baptisms.
00:24:57.05\00:25:00.67
Of this year? This year.
00:25:00.70\00:25:02.20
Of 2012. 2012.
00:25:02.23\00:25:03.95
We've had how many Baptisms?
00:25:03.98\00:25:05.42
Two hundred and fifty six.
00:25:05.45\00:25:06.72
Two hundred and
fifty six baptisms.
00:25:06.75\00:25:08.78
And last year its
the 2011, we gave 648.
00:25:08.81\00:25:16.45
Wow.
00:25:16.48\00:25:17.74
Are these just
really quick baptisms
00:25:17.77\00:25:19.55
that just happen like that
00:25:19.58\00:25:21.10
and the people leave
the church in two weeks.
00:25:21.13\00:25:22.92
No this baptism is a kind of--
00:25:22.95\00:25:24.98
I think a little
sarcastic to ask,
00:25:25.01\00:25:26.99
these people are solid people.
00:25:27.02\00:25:28.46
Yeah, it's a solid
people and the case study
00:25:28.49\00:25:32.02
I can give to you
in the city of Chennai
00:25:32.05\00:25:37.23
is a best example how
our church is very strong
00:25:37.26\00:25:41.31
so that people are
giving tithe and offering
00:25:41.34\00:25:44.22
and the Chennai city is growing
with Adventist believers.
00:25:44.25\00:25:47.20
Amen.
00:25:47.23\00:25:48.76
Now the reason I was teasing
him a little bit about that is
00:25:48.79\00:25:51.89
there is been a lot of times
00:25:51.92\00:25:53.04
were we have a
evangelistic series
00:25:53.07\00:25:55.24
that takes place in India and
people get baptized way to soon
00:25:55.27\00:25:59.38
and then people end up
not staying in the church
00:25:59.41\00:26:01.81
after that but with the program
00:26:01.84\00:26:03.37
we have what's
happening is these people
00:26:03.40\00:26:05.49
who have studied
with Bible studies
00:26:05.52\00:26:06.89
with Bible workers,
they become friendships,
00:26:06.92\00:26:09.45
their communities established.
00:26:09.48\00:26:11.07
Evangelism takes place and
then people who are baptized
00:26:11.10\00:26:14.74
and then the next
thing we do is do what?
00:26:14.77\00:26:16.39
Next thing, then immediately
00:26:16.42\00:26:18.26
we'll find a
place for the worship.
00:26:18.29\00:26:21.24
And so you build the
church right after that?
00:26:21.27\00:26:23.10
Yeah, so we are not
just preaching in the TV,
00:26:23.13\00:26:27.67
it is a step, step.
00:26:27.70\00:26:29.79
How many churches that
we have build since 2000?
00:26:29.82\00:26:32.32
Since 2000 till
now we have built
00:26:32.35\00:26:37.57
I mean, we have built
through our various support 14.
00:26:37.60\00:26:43.39
Fourteen churches.
00:26:43.42\00:26:44.45
Fourteen churches but the
temporary shed is more than 36.
00:26:44.48\00:26:49.89
And this is the little churches
00:26:49.92\00:26:51.16
that are like on the top
of a roof on someone's house.
00:26:51.19\00:26:53.35
Yes, yeah.
00:26:53.38\00:26:54.59
So there is a lot of small
little tiny churches there,
00:26:54.62\00:26:56.76
are kind of like satellite
churches that get established--
00:26:56.79\00:26:58.62
Yeah, that is almost 36.
00:26:58.65\00:27:01.89
First time I saw you
was at the Prairie Church.
00:27:01.92\00:27:04.50
And we didn't talk but
that's where we saw each other
00:27:04.53\00:27:06.67
and then I saw you
on television later.
00:27:06.70\00:27:08.23
You are right, yeah.
00:27:08.26\00:27:09.35
I remember we
helped with that church.
00:27:09.38\00:27:10.91
Our ministry had a
connection with that church
00:27:10.94\00:27:13.35
and we were just
back there in January
00:27:13.38\00:27:15.70
and I didn't even
recognize the place
00:27:15.73\00:27:17.25
the whole city has
built up around that church.
00:27:17.28\00:27:19.50
It's incredible.
00:27:19.53\00:27:20.82
I would like to
encourage our viewers
00:27:20.85\00:27:22.00
if you like to be
part of this ministry
00:27:22.03\00:27:23.44
and help with
this project in India,
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we have been there since 1994,
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we understand the culture,
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we've got a
system down as working.
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A broad system of
television evangelism,
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Bible workers,
pastors doing evangelism,
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literature distribution,
translation and publishing
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and we are really in need
of getting this building up
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and going right now.
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So we really encourage you
if you like to get on board
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to help us with your support
call us or write us or email us
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at Laymen Ministries
that's 414 Zapada Road,
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St. Maries, Idaho, 83861
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or call us at
our toll free number
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of United States or Canada
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1-800-245-1844
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or you can get us on
email at office@lmn.org.
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Make sure you check
out our website at lmn.org
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and see us on
Facebook and YouTube.
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