Participants: Jeff Reich
Series Code: LM
Program Code: LM000120
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00:30 Glad you joined us for another program
00:31 of Laymen Ministries. 00:33 In our studio today we have 00:34 Pastor Swami Das Johnson from India. 00:36 He's been with us many times here. 00:38 He was here just one year ago. 00:40 It's great to have you back. 00:42 We were just talking earlier about all the years 00:44 that we've work together and the first time 00:46 I met you it was like-- what year was that, 00:49 do you remember, pastor? 00:51 Yes, I think its 1994. 00:53 1994, that's right. 00:55 So we go back a long ways working with each other 00:57 and you and Pastor Shadrach Samuel. 00:59 And remember, when I first met you, 01:02 you were involved with some kind 01:03 of evangelism or something like that. 01:05 What was happening with that? 01:07 We had evangelistic meeting from a church, 01:11 we have organized evangelistic meeting 01:14 and Pastor Shadrach is the speaker. 01:16 I was coordinating the program 01:18 and when we were holding the meeting 01:20 that you are coming with the camera, 01:23 so that's the first time when I saw you. 01:25 And then after that I saw Pastor Shadrach, 01:27 you know, we're helping with those VCD's. 01:29 You're right. 01:30 And you involved with Mark Finley's campaign. 01:32 And I saw you introducing the program at night 01:35 and then later on I realized, hey, that's the same guy 01:38 that's working with our ministry now. 01:39 You're right, you're right. 01:40 So you have been involved with 01:42 helping coordinate evangelism for years, 01:44 work with Doug Bachelor, Mark Finley 01:46 and then helping actually 01:48 coordinate this Pioneer TV ministry 01:51 that we've been working with over there. 01:52 Now we've been on, it's a JAYA Network 01:56 and there's exciting things happening 01:58 with JAYA television network. 02:00 Tell us a little bit about the JAYA Network. 02:02 What is the JAYA Network? 02:03 How big of a coverage area do they have? 02:05 And what's our involvement with it? 02:07 The good news is, now JAYA TV it's coming around the world. 02:12 I think we can say from Alaskan to Australia 02:16 our Tamil program is covering. 02:19 The potential audiences may be 95 million people, 02:23 but it covers the whole world. 02:25 So somebody told me that, 02:27 I got a email from one of the programming directors 02:30 at 3ABN and he said that 02:31 it was coming on Dish Network in the United States 02:34 and that happened the first of the year, is that right? 02:36 Yes, even I was-- last week I was in Washington DC 02:41 and I saw the program 02:43 and I was surprised to see the program. 02:47 Well, it's even probably more surprising for some people 02:50 as JAYA television network is a Hindu network. 02:54 So are you doing Hindu programming? 02:56 No, I'm doing a Christian program. 03:00 How did-- how in the world did you 03:01 start doing Christian programs on a Hindu network? 03:05 That's-- I think it's a miracle. 03:08 In the year 2002, 03:11 I approached to the JAYA TV manager. 03:16 First he said we are not interested 03:19 any Christian program then I had a friend 03:24 who is political leader and I talked to him, 03:29 and why can't you help and talk to the JAYA TV people. 03:32 And he said, first he was a little hesitate, 03:39 no, it is not possible 03:41 because I have to talk to the chief minister. 03:45 That time the JAYA TV owner was a chief mister for our country. 03:49 I mean, the JAYA TV in India is like going to CBS 03:52 or NBC in the United States. 03:54 Yeah. 03:55 So then I told, you don't worry, just you ask. 04:01 Then he said, okay, I'll try. 04:04 He went and asked the management board, 04:08 they said, okay, we'll accept. 04:10 By God's grace now we are almost eight years 04:13 we're in the channel 04:15 and that's the blessing I believe. 04:16 Wow, eight years and so we have this program, 04:19 it's a Laymen Ministries "Saving Hands" program. 04:22 And we have a really unique slot on that program. 04:26 It's on Sabbath morning right after one 04:28 of the most popular Hindu devotional programs. 04:32 Now how have we been able to stay 04:35 on this network for eight years? 04:38 I believe, number one, we have a good response. 04:44 Yeah, I think in television they call it rating, right? 04:46 You're right. 04:47 So if you have a good rating, that's good for the network. 04:49 Yes. 04:50 That's pretty amazing. Yes. 04:51 Considering the fact that this is a Hindu network 04:53 and this is a Christian program 04:55 and the thing that we have a good rating, 04:58 such a good rating that they kind of want 05:00 to keep us on the network. Yeah. 05:02 And for your information, JAYA TV is a free channel 05:06 and it's going around the world. 05:09 So like other channels they have to pay, 05:13 but JAYA TV is the free channel, 05:15 so then the second one is a health program, 05:20 we're incorporating the health program, 05:23 that's the blessing I think. 05:24 And for high caste Hindu people 05:26 a lot of them are having health problems 05:27 because of the diets and such that can be-- 05:31 and plus a lot of Hindus you know, are vegetarian 05:34 and they have some interest in the health area. 05:35 So this is truly 05:37 a way to be able to help them in their everyday living. 05:40 Yes. 05:41 And the third one, 05:43 we have a good relationship with the management. 05:46 We're paying our fees very regularly. 05:50 In the sensor board, they will ask us to cut these and that 05:55 and immediately we will do some changes, 05:59 so they are happy with us, 06:00 the personal relationship is very good, 06:03 so we are keeping. 06:05 If some of our American viewers 06:07 or viewers from Australia could see this program, 06:10 first of all I have to say 06:11 it's totally Indian in its production. 06:13 That singing is Indian, the women wearing 06:15 traditional Indian clothing and it is designed 06:18 for Indian people on an Indian network 06:20 in Indian languages, the Tamil language. 06:23 And so this program 06:24 has had a big influence on a lot of people 06:27 and you've shared with me over the last eight years 06:29 some of things that have happened 06:30 but, you were just tell me 06:31 just recently just another interesting story 06:34 about somebody had contacted you 06:37 because of watching one of your programs. 06:39 Yes, it was a young boy. 06:42 One morning, he called me his name is Ranganathan. 06:46 I just love those Indian names. Yeah. 06:49 Now what was his name again? Ranganathan. 06:51 Okay. 06:53 The name itself he is a Hindu. 06:55 And one fine morning 06:57 he called to me on to the program 06:59 and as he was talking he was telling, 07:04 he finished his education one year, 07:08 but he didn't get the job because-- 07:10 Was he like in computer technology 07:12 or IT work or something? 07:13 You're right, you're right. 07:14 And because of the economic crisis 07:16 he couldn't get the good job. 07:18 And his parents were giving pressure, 07:22 you go and find a job. 07:24 And everyday he get up morning 07:26 and he go and go to different offices 07:30 and colleges and school, get any-- at least any job 07:35 but he was not able to find a job. 07:38 So he was so depressed 07:40 and he don't want to live in this world. 07:43 When his dad see him, 07:45 hey, why you are sitting in the home, go search a job. 07:49 Then one fine morning he saw a program 07:53 and I was talking that day. 07:55 I was talking about the miracle 07:57 if you believe Jesus, 07:59 He can change our life. 08:01 Then he called me and he told me, 08:04 sir, this is the first time I calling like this 08:07 and I've never prayed with anybody 08:10 and this is the first time 08:11 and I don't know how to pray, 08:13 but can you offer a prayer for me. 08:16 Today I'm going for interview, 08:18 today in my life is-- I'm in a great crisis 08:23 whether life or death, I'm in middle. 08:27 So he told me then, I said, you don't worry there is God 08:33 and He will do miracle. 08:35 Usually whenever kind of teenagers are-- 08:39 Some college age people. 08:40 Colleges whenever they call me, 08:43 I usually tell my experience 08:46 because when I was young, I was mute, 08:49 I was not able to speak. You were mute. 08:51 Yeah, till when I was seven years old. 08:55 So-- You couldn't speak until you were seven years old. 08:57 You're right. 08:58 Wow, and now you're preacher. 09:00 Yes, I'm a preacher. 09:01 So I usually tell, share my testimonial 09:05 how God intervene in my life and changed my life. 09:09 So then they will have some kind of attention 09:13 towards Jesus and prayer. 09:15 Then I prayed with him and he said, 09:18 sir, I'm going interview, 09:19 I don't know 'what will happen. 09:21 If I get job I have a life 09:23 if I don't have a job it's a death. 09:25 Then I said, you don't worry 09:28 and today that we're all going to pray for you, 09:30 because that day it was kind of prayer day for 09:34 with all my Bible workers. 09:36 Yeah all the Laymen Ministry Bible workers 09:38 spend a day together fasting and praying. 09:40 Yeah. Once a month is it? 09:41 Yeah, once a month, 09:43 sometime we'll pray for twice a month depends upon the need. 09:46 So I just want to ask our viewing audience, 09:48 how long has it been 09:49 since you got together with members of your church 09:52 and had a prayer session that lasted 09:53 from 10 in the morning till 3 in the afternoon? 09:56 I mean, that's something 09:57 that you don't see happen very often 09:59 and I really think 10:00 that we would see a lot more unity in our churches 10:03 and we would see a lot more 10:05 God working in a special way 10:07 if we would spend more time in prayer together as a group. 10:10 Then this boy told, I told him, 10:12 you don't worry, you will get the job. 10:14 Did you told him that, 10:15 don't worry you're going to get a job? 10:16 You're going to get the job. 10:17 Sir, how you're telling? You don't worry. 10:20 Today, you're going to get the job. 10:22 Then he called me 4 o'clock and because for me also 10:27 it is a kind of a trail because if he get the job 10:31 whether he accept Jesus or not, 10:35 but he will have a kind heart towards Christianity, 10:40 it may lead to later days to accept Jesus. 10:44 Lead him to step to making decision for Christ. 10:46 So he called at 4 o'clock, what happened? 10:49 Four o'clock then I asked him, what happened? 10:53 He said, sir, I got the job. 10:56 Thank, thank you very much for your prayer. 10:58 Wow. 10:59 Then I said okay, wherever you-- 11:02 and also he told me 11:03 I'm going to Dubai next week. 11:05 In the country of Dubai. Dubai. 11:07 So he said, I'm going to Dubai next week 11:10 and my dad will be very happy 11:13 when I tell him that I got the job. 11:16 So that was a real miracle 11:19 and still once in a while, 11:21 he called me for prayer 11:23 and that's encouraging one. 11:25 So we mentioned on one of our interviews 11:26 we had with you last year 11:28 about the fact that when people call, 11:30 we have a 24 hour prayer hotline 11:32 that's connected with the ministry over there. 11:34 You're right. 11:35 You have your wife and you some times 11:36 have different Bible workers, different workers 11:38 that help with answering 11:40 those prayers, talking with people 11:41 and sometimes they talk with you, directly with you. 11:43 Yes. 11:44 And then the Bible workers will often times do 11:47 follow up with these prayer requests 11:48 that come and they go out 11:49 and they start working in different areas. 11:51 Tell us a little bit about how the Bible workers work there 11:55 and how many Bible workers do we have right now? 11:57 Now we have 18 Bible workers. 11:59 I think last year we had 15 and now we are up to 18. 12:02 Yes. Oh, okay. 12:03 And four volunteers. 12:05 They work as like a part time, they won't work full time. 12:10 They come only evening 12:12 and usually what we are doing is, 12:15 we're changing our strategy now and then. 12:21 So what our Bible workers will do, 12:23 they will make a friendship and form a group Bible study. 12:28 Then I will send these volunteers for the evening 12:32 or part time volunteers they will go and hold 12:35 a kind of small group evangelism, 12:37 they will develop a small group evangelism. 12:40 What do you mean by small group evangelism? 12:42 Small group evangelism is a kind of small group 12:47 maybe like 10 or 15 or we will gather 12:51 few families in a particular home 12:54 and will have a song series and share Bible study. 13:00 And this small group maybe from this family 13:05 they will ask, we'll ask, 13:08 do you have any friends 13:10 in your workplace or with your home. 13:13 Then we will go to their workplace 13:16 and organize a small group. 13:20 So like that we are developing a small group evangelism. 13:23 And so when they-- 13:25 when they start their friendship ministry 13:27 are they going like towards targeting 13:29 a certain area, just going door to door 13:31 and knocking on people's doors or? 13:32 Yeah, they are going door-to-door, 13:34 our evangelism strategies is the first month 13:38 is a forming kind of friendship month. 13:43 We will knock the each door, every door 13:47 because we'll selected a town, after selecting a town 13:51 we will send all our Bible workers, 13:54 then he will give them 13:55 may be for each team kind of 10 to 15 Street. 14:02 They have to go door by door. 14:04 So first month is the kind of friendship, 14:07 the second month is forming group Bible study, 14:12 later on that will lead to small group evangelism 14:17 also call maybe cell group, 14:20 the third month is evangelistic month. 14:22 You have an actually hold you hold the evangelistic meeting. 14:25 You and Pastor Shadrach, 14:26 or two of you together will go in and do that. 14:30 How much does it cost now in India 14:32 to hold an evangelistic meeting with nationals 14:35 not bringing in a big name speakers or something 14:37 but like the kind of evangelism you're doing? 14:39 For us with the Pastor Shadrach 14:42 and myself from January till March 14:44 we have finished like almost seven evangelistic meeting 14:48 and each cost like 1,500. 14:51 $1,500 for holing an evangelistic meeting? 14:55 That's a pretty good deal 14:56 when you consider how much 14:58 you hear about some evangelistic efforts, 15:00 how much they actually cost. 15:01 It can be huge money with airline tickets 15:03 and everything but these are your people 15:05 and your country and your language, 15:07 you know the situation. 15:09 And over the last 10 years doing this kind of evangelism 15:13 and then the follow up 15:14 that takes place with the Bible workers, 15:16 how many churches have actually been established? 15:18 And I'm not talking about buildings 15:19 that are sitting empty. 15:20 I mean, churches that are flourishing and growing 15:23 and how many churches have been built? 15:24 Twenty eight churches. 15:26 Twenty eight churches in the last 10 years. 15:28 And for your information, 15:31 maybe it is the 28 churches are active 15:37 and also when we started our work 15:39 in the city of Chennai, 15:41 I think that time our offering 15:43 for the whole conference 15:45 was just like $500 to $600. 15:49 But today it is $25,000 every month. 15:52 Yeah. 15:53 So that means the work is growing with the quality. 15:58 I know our budget is just for the TV slots, 16:00 the TV programming and the Bible workers 16:03 is a considerably big chunk every month. 16:06 And I'm like saying I'm talking to Terry Prouty, 16:08 you know, my administrative secretary 16:10 who handles the budgets, 16:11 I said, is this how much money 16:13 is going to India every month? 16:14 I look at the budget. She goes, yeah. 16:15 I said, how are we doing this? 16:17 She said, by faith and God had supplied. 16:19 You know, it's just amazing 16:20 every month were able to make, 16:22 you know, the monthly budget for that project 16:24 and the other projects. 16:25 Now when you came this time you were pretty excited, 16:29 you're saying you want to share with me a few things 16:31 and you were talking about, 16:33 well, you know Laymen Ministries has been there 16:36 before you know, Doug Bachelor held his big evangelistic series 16:39 and Mark Finley did his big evangelistic series. 16:42 And way before all this big evangelistic efforts 16:45 were actually happening Laymen Ministers was there, 16:47 starting to work in you know, we're there year before. 16:51 The first time I met you even there 16:54 but anyhow, you were saying 16:55 that it's time for us to try to do something 16:57 and what was it that you were 16:59 trying to share with me about? 17:00 I thought this is a time that door is opening now, 17:05 the government is so good, 17:06 they have good heart about Christianity. 17:10 So I thought it was a time 17:11 that we have to buy a property 17:14 and have our own studio and own publishing press 17:20 and kind of a selling place we have to-- 17:26 Like an office store front. 17:27 Yes, and we have to open a bookstore 17:31 so that where people can come and buy the books 17:35 because we are the pioneer, 17:37 first to translate the Ellen White books, 17:40 The Desire of Ages, The Great Controversy. 17:43 Most of the books we have translated, 17:45 we started in 1995. 17:49 So I think-- 17:50 I remember the picture of Pastor Shadrach 17:53 with then division president. 17:57 And with the GC president. 17:58 And with the GC president, 17:59 all there with those stacks of Great Controversy, 18:01 the whole room full of them that were printed there. 18:04 So you're thinking that it's time 18:05 that we actually get established 18:06 and have an office now. 18:08 We've talked about building a studio there 18:10 and we have a particular donor 18:12 that wants to help us if he can sell some property 18:14 so that is going to help us with you know, 18:16 some of the costs of building a studio 18:18 but we found some land right now 18:19 that we're looking at 18:21 and we're needing to move forward on that 18:24 and we're hoping that maybe we can start 18:25 getting this office built in sometime soon. 18:28 What benefits do you see by doing something like that? 18:31 I feel, India, 18:36 when you compare the population 18:38 it is like almost like, 1.3 billion people 18:42 and there are hundreds of languages, hundreds of races 18:46 and media evangelism is very important. 18:51 So we are doing the secular channel, 18:55 we are not in the Christian channel, 18:57 we are in the secular channel, secular channel mean-- 19:02 I understand a secular channel, 19:04 this is not your typical Christian, 19:06 we are on a Christian network over there too, good news. 19:09 But we are reaching people who are not church people. 19:13 You're right. 19:14 And the media is a very powerful tool. 19:16 And the media is a powerful tool. 19:18 And also the door is opening 19:20 so if you laid a foundation right now, 19:23 maybe after two year 19:25 we can plant one more studio in the northern India 19:29 and the southern India. 19:31 And I feel and my aspiration is 19:35 to have a pray a center in all the metro cities of India 19:41 and at least to have a studio in the southern India 19:44 and northern India to cover the whole India. 19:48 So already we have a ministry in Nepal in Northern India. 19:52 So we should make a center the city of Chennai 19:56 and spread around the country. 19:59 Yeah, and to be honest with you 20:01 I've been to your home and try to run 20:03 some with these things out of your home, 20:05 it's not really very good for your family 20:06 nor is it a conducive place for your workers to come 20:10 or if we built a building where we actually, 20:12 we're not talking something elaborate. 20:14 Nowadays when we start talking about television studios 20:17 with the camera technology 20:18 and such it can be a pretty compact building, 20:20 it doesn't have to be a great big huge 20:22 multi million-dollar center for $20,000, $25,000 20:27 we can built a humble studio and office building 20:30 and have a place that we could have our DVD and CDs 20:33 and VCD duplication center 20:36 and we can have office their, 20:38 storage area for a lot of the literature, 20:39 a place for the workers to come every day 20:41 and work and answer the phones actually in an offices 20:44 instead of being scattered at all over the place. 20:45 Yes. Yeah. 20:47 Now you were saying-- 20:49 now, we like we were talking about 20:50 we have been working in India for 17 or 18 years, 20:54 I have seen just incredible changes taking place there. 20:57 How was those changes affected the way 20:59 that we do ministry in India compared to like 21:01 you know, 15 years 10-15 years ago 21:03 and what you're dealing with today? 21:05 What's changing there? 21:06 Yeah, the number one, I feel 21:09 as you know around the world the materialism is changing. 21:14 People are being more and more focused on getting stuff 21:16 and working in, caught up in life in the fast line. 21:18 Yes, fast lane. 21:20 In those days I can remember in those days what happened, 21:25 only the husband will work and the wife will be in the home 21:29 and the children will go to the school, 21:31 they will come by 3:30 or 4 o'clock 21:33 and then they will play, do the homework 21:36 but today it's not like that. 21:38 The husband is getting up morning 6 o'clock 21:40 and he's going and he is coming 6 o'clock evening 21:44 and wife is going on one side, the children's were coming 21:48 and after the school they are going to the tuition centre 21:51 and they are coming. 21:52 So, people are very busy 21:55 and also for your information the call center, 21:58 now people are working even the night time. 22:01 So now city when 17 years back, 22:05 like 8 o'clock, 9 o'clock even the city will be like 22:09 our lights everything will be off, now it is 24/7. 22:13 It's people working 24/7. 22:16 So the whole concept to media, 22:18 like for instance you you're telling me that 22:20 now when people call the call center, 22:22 you'll send them maybe a track or something 22:23 but you also include a DVD. 22:25 You are right. 22:26 Because people are more interested 22:27 in popping a DVD into a DVD player 22:30 and watching a message. 22:32 What kind of DVD's are you circulating right now? 22:34 Oh, we have circulating our message, 22:38 Pastor Shadrach Bible studies material 22:41 and my sermons and your marriage-- 22:46 The decoding communication series. 22:47 You are right. 22:49 People are watching those in English? 22:50 Yes, English and-- 22:52 because we have a good viewership in Malaysia, 22:55 we have around 12 libraries. 23:00 We have in the Malaysian churches 23:02 because though Malaysian government 23:05 is giving freedom 23:06 but they have a restriction. 23:08 So what they are doing, they're copying all our program 23:11 and keeping in the church and church members are coming 23:15 and taking their DVD or VCD, playing in the home 23:19 then they are sharing to their friends, 23:21 then they are bringing and keeping. 23:23 So one individual is taking care of all of this. 23:26 So, then your last year, the marriage DVD, 23:32 we have circulated 915. 23:35 Nine hundred and fifteen sets? 23:36 Sets, and we have given to Australia and Malaysia. 23:41 Wow. Then we've-- 23:43 And that is a message that needs to be heard today 23:45 because with life becoming faster and faster 23:48 marriages are falling apart 23:49 and financial crisis is hitting families 23:51 and they are dealing with a lot of stress 23:53 and different things like that. 23:55 So and it's a very important subject. 23:57 And then final events, then Mark Finley, 24:01 Discovery, that we have given 24:04 I think more than 15,000 we have given. 24:07 Fifteen thousand? You are right. 24:08 So this is the way you as a viewer could get involved 24:11 if you have a burden for wanting to get 24:14 message DVD's into the homes of people 24:16 who are un-churched or not even Christian 24:18 you could help our ministry with helping 24:20 to cover the costs of DVD duplication 24:23 which we have our own DVD duplicators over in India. 24:25 So there's a lot of exciting things 24:27 that we really have going on in India. 24:28 And even though the challenges are growing 24:30 because of secularism 24:32 and materialism and of pace of life 24:36 this technology is really becoming 24:38 a really good avenue to reach these people 24:40 in this high speed world we're living in today. 24:43 What other ways are we reaching out to touch people? 24:46 Now recently we have developed a website, 24:49 though we have our website for our Laymen Ministry 24:52 we have developed a website in Tamil and English. 24:56 What is the website URL? 24:58 Its name is "Saving Hands." 25:01 Saving Hands. Yes. 25:03 So if a person wanted to go to that website 25:05 how would they do it? 25:07 They just laymensavinghands.org 25:13 Oh, .org? Yes, yes. 25:15 Now this is an English and Tamil website right? 25:18 Yes. 25:19 So when you enter into the website, 25:20 in fact, you can go to our website 25:23 and you can click on the link on the very top 25:25 it says Laymen Ministries, India 25:27 and it will take you into this website, 25:28 but on one side it's actually in the Tamil language 25:31 in the other side it's an English 25:32 you can select which one you want. 25:34 You have a lot of people visiting this website? 25:35 Yes, a lot of people are visiting 25:37 even once from Germany somebody's saw the website 25:40 and they have called me 25:42 and they have asked about our ministry 25:44 and they were so happy. 25:46 And even they said 25:48 we will support for your mission in future. 25:50 And I think and also in website 25:53 in Tamil website we have few songs 25:56 and also we have some messages 25:59 and we are giving a devotional. 26:01 So people are visiting the devotion. 26:04 And everyday we give a kind of promise from the Bible. 26:07 Praise God. 26:08 So people every day the new promises come. 26:12 So it's a good way to reach the hi-tech people 26:18 and it is good one. 26:19 Yeah, well, it's really good. 26:21 There's a lot blessings taking place right now in India 26:25 and maybe you're watching this program 26:27 and you're wondering how you maybe could help. 26:29 I just encourage you, you know go to our website 26:31 and look at the India website and also think about the DVD's, 26:36 think about this call center we have, 26:38 how we need to really 26:39 move these things into one locality. 26:42 We have property right now that we're seriously 26:44 probably gonna be buying here in the next couple weeks 26:46 we could use some help 26:47 in trying to get a building built over there. 26:49 If you want to get on board with us 26:51 and continue this ministry that's been going on 26:53 for almost 17, 18 years in India 26:56 we are there to try to help establish a firm foundation 26:59 for the truth of the Three Angels' Messages. 27:02 We have a lot of exciting things happening in India right now 27:04 if you'd like to get involved 27:05 and help us in one way or another 27:07 think about you know, purchase a DVDs 27:09 and the outreach to those DVD's, 27:11 how we're going to be building a 27:12 small effective television studio there 27:15 and our new office buildings. 27:16 We have property already located that we're looking at 27:18 and probably gonna be buying within next couple weeks. 27:20 If you would like to help, we could really 27:22 use your help to be able to further this project. 27:25 This been going on for 16,17, 18 years now in India 27:28 and we would just encourage you, 27:30 you know, to contact us at Laymen Ministries, 27:33 that's 414, Zapada Road, St. Maries, Idaho 83861 27:37 or you can contact us on our website 27:39 that's www.lmn.org. 27:43 Our email address is extremely easy, 27:46 its office@lmn.org. 27:51 Pastor Swami Das Johnson, 27:52 it was great to have you with us in our studio 27:54 and we look forward to being able to see you in Indian 27:57 just a very short time when we come over there 27:59 and put together one of our new mission videos 28:01 and take our viewers there to show them on site 28:03 what's happening. 28:05 Thank you very much. |
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