Glad you joined us
for another program
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of Laymen Ministries.
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In our studio today we have
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Pastor Swami Das
Johnson from India.
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He's been with
us many times here.
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He was here just one year ago.
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It's great to have you back.
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We were just talking
earlier about all the years
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that we've work
together and the first time
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I met you it was
like-- what year was that,
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do you remember, pastor?
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Yes, I think its 1994.
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1994, that's right.
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So we go back a long
ways working with each other
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and you and
Pastor Shadrach Samuel.
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And remember,
when I first met you,
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you were involved with some kind
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of evangelism or
something like that.
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What was happening with that?
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We had evangelistic
meeting from a church,
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we have organized
evangelistic meeting
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and Pastor
Shadrach is the speaker.
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I was coordinating the program
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and when we were
holding the meeting
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that you are
coming with the camera,
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so that's the first
time when I saw you.
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And then after that
I saw Pastor Shadrach,
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you know, we're
helping with those VCD's.
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You're right.
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And you involved with
Mark Finley's campaign.
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And I saw you
introducing the program at night
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and then later on I realized,
hey, that's the same guy
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that's working
with our ministry now.
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You're right, you're right.
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So you have been involved with
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helping coordinate
evangelism for years,
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work with Doug
Bachelor, Mark Finley
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and then helping actually
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coordinate this
Pioneer TV ministry
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that we've been
working with over there.
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Now we've been on,
it's a JAYA Network
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and there's
exciting things happening
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with JAYA television network.
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Tell us a little bit
about the JAYA Network.
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What is the JAYA Network?
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How big of a
coverage area do they have?
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And what's our
involvement with it?
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The good news is, now JAYA
TV it's coming around the world.
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I think we can say
from Alaskan to Australia
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our Tamil program is covering.
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The potential audiences
may be 95 million people,
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but it covers the whole world.
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So somebody told me that,
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I got a email from one
of the programming directors
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at 3ABN and he said that
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it was coming on Dish
Network in the United States
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and that happened the first
of the year, is that right?
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Yes, even I was-- last
week I was in Washington DC
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and I saw the program
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and I was
surprised to see the program.
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Well, it's even probably
more surprising for some people
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as JAYA television
network is a Hindu network.
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So are you doing
Hindu programming?
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No, I'm doing a
Christian program.
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How did-- how in
the world did you
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start doing Christian
programs on a Hindu network?
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That's-- I think it's a miracle.
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In the year 2002,
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I approached to
the JAYA TV manager.
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First he said we
are not interested
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any Christian
program then I had a friend
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who is political
leader and I talked to him,
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and why can't you help and
talk to the JAYA TV people.
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And he said, first he
was a little hesitate,
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no, it is not possible
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because I have to
talk to the chief minister.
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That time the JAYA TV owner was
a chief mister for our country.
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I mean, the JAYA TV in
India is like going to CBS
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or NBC in the United States.
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Yeah.
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So then I told, you
don't worry, just you ask.
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Then he said, okay, I'll try.
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He went and asked
the management board,
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they said, okay, we'll accept.
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By God's grace now we
are almost eight years
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we're in the channel
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and that's the
blessing I believe.
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Wow, eight years and
so we have this program,
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it's a Laymen Ministries
"Saving Hands" program.
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And we have a really
unique slot on that program.
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It's on Sabbath
morning right after one
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of the most popular
Hindu devotional programs.
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Now how have we
been able to stay
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on this network for eight years?
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I believe, number one,
we have a good response.
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Yeah, I think in television
they call it rating, right?
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You're right.
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So if you have a good rating,
that's good for the network.
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Yes.
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That's pretty amazing. Yes.
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Considering the fact
that this is a Hindu network
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and this is a Christian program
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and the thing that
we have a good rating,
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such a good rating
that they kind of want
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to keep us on the network. Yeah.
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And for your information,
JAYA TV is a free channel
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and it's going around the world.
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So like other
channels they have to pay,
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but JAYA TV is the free channel,
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so then the second
one is a health program,
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we're incorporating
the health program,
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that's the blessing I think.
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And for high caste Hindu people
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a lot of them are
having health problems
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because of the diets
and such that can be--
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and plus a lot of
Hindus you know, are vegetarian
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and they have some
interest in the health area.
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So this is truly
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a way to be able to help
them in their everyday living.
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Yes.
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And the third one,
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we have a good relationship
with the management.
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We're paying our
fees very regularly.
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In the sensor board, they will
ask us to cut these and that
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and immediately we
will do some changes,
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so they are happy with us,
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the personal
relationship is very good,
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so we are keeping.
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If some of our American viewers
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or viewers from Australia
could see this program,
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first of all I have to say
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it's totally
Indian in its production.
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That singing is
Indian, the women wearing
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traditional Indian
clothing and it is designed
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for Indian people
on an Indian network
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in Indian
languages, the Tamil language.
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And so this program
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has had a big
influence on a lot of people
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and you've shared with
me over the last eight years
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some of things
that have happened
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but, you were just tell me
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just recently just
another interesting story
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about somebody had contacted you
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because of watching
one of your programs.
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Yes, it was a young boy.
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One morning, he called
me his name is Ranganathan.
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I just love those
Indian names. Yeah.
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Now what was his
name again? Ranganathan.
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Okay.
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The name itself he is a Hindu.
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And one fine morning
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he called to me
on to the program
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and as he was
talking he was telling,
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he finished his
education one year,
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but he didn't
get the job because--
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Was he like in
computer technology
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or IT work or something?
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You're right, you're right.
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And because of
the economic crisis
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he couldn't get the good job.
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And his parents
were giving pressure,
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you go and find a job.
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And everyday he get up morning
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and he go and go
to different offices
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and colleges and school,
get any-- at least any job
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but he was not
able to find a job.
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So he was so depressed
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and he don't want
to live in this world.
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When his dad see him,
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hey, why you are sitting
in the home, go search a job.
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Then one fine
morning he saw a program
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and I was talking that day.
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I was talking about the miracle
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if you believe Jesus,
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He can change our life.
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Then he called
me and he told me,
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sir, this is the first
time I calling like this
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and I've never
prayed with anybody
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and this is the first time
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and I don't know how to pray,
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but can you
offer a prayer for me.
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Today I'm going for interview,
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today in my life
is-- I'm in a great crisis
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whether life or
death, I'm in middle.
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So he told me then, I said,
you don't worry there is God
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and He will do miracle.
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Usually whenever
kind of teenagers are--
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Some college age people.
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Colleges whenever they call me,
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I usually tell my experience
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because when I
was young, I was mute,
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I was not able to
speak. You were mute.
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Yeah, till when I
was seven years old.
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So-- You couldn't speak
until you were seven years old.
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You're right.
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Wow, and now you're preacher.
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Yes, I'm a preacher.
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So I usually tell,
share my testimonial
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how God intervene in my
life and changed my life.
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So then they will
have some kind of attention
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towards Jesus and prayer.
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Then I prayed
with him and he said,
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sir, I'm going interview,
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I don't know 'what will happen.
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If I get job I have a life
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if I don't have
a job it's a death.
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Then I said, you don't worry
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and today that we're
all going to pray for you,
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because that day it
was kind of prayer day for
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with all my Bible workers.
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Yeah all the Laymen
Ministry Bible workers
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spend a day
together fasting and praying.
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Yeah. Once a month is it?
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Yeah, once a month,
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sometime we'll pray for twice
a month depends upon the need.
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So I just want to
ask our viewing audience,
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how long has it been
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since you got together
with members of your church
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and had a prayer
session that lasted
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from 10 in the morning
till 3 in the afternoon?
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I mean, that's something
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that you don't
see happen very often
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and I really think
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that we would see a lot
more unity in our churches
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and we would see a lot more
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God working in a special way
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if we would spend more time
in prayer together as a group.
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Then this boy told, I told him,
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you don't worry,
you will get the job.
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Did you told him that,
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don't worry you're
going to get a job?
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You're going to get the job.
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Sir, how you're
telling? You don't worry.
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Today, you're
going to get the job.
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Then he called me 4
o'clock and because for me also
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it is a kind of a trail
because if he get the job
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whether he accept Jesus or not,
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but he will have a kind
heart towards Christianity,
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it may lead to later
days to accept Jesus.
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Lead him to step to
making decision for Christ.
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So he called at 4
o'clock, what happened?
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Four o'clock then I
asked him, what happened?
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He said, sir, I got the job.
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Thank, thank you
very much for your prayer.
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Wow.
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Then I said okay, wherever you--
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and also he told me
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I'm going to Dubai next week.
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In the country of Dubai. Dubai.
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So he said, I'm
going to Dubai next week
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and my dad will be very happy
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when I tell him
that I got the job.
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So that was a real miracle
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and still once in a while,
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he called me for prayer
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and that's encouraging one.
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So we mentioned on
one of our interviews
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we had with you last year
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about the fact
that when people call,
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we have a 24 hour prayer hotline
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that's connected with
the ministry over there.
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You're right.
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You have your
wife and you some times
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have different Bible
workers, different workers
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that help with answering
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those prayers,
talking with people
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and sometimes they talk
with you, directly with you.
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Yes.
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And then the Bible
workers will often times do
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follow up with
these prayer requests
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that come and they go out
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and they start
working in different areas.
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Tell us a little bit about
how the Bible workers work there
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and how many Bible
workers do we have right now?
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Now we have 18 Bible workers.
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I think last year we had
15 and now we are up to 18.
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Yes. Oh, okay.
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And four volunteers.
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They work as like a part
time, they won't work full time.
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They come only evening
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and usually
what we are doing is,
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we're changing our
strategy now and then.
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So what our
Bible workers will do,
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they will make a friendship
and form a group Bible study.
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Then I will send these
volunteers for the evening
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or part time
volunteers they will go and hold
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a kind of small
group evangelism,
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they will develop a
small group evangelism.
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What do you mean by
small group evangelism?
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Small group evangelism
is a kind of small group
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maybe like 10 or
15 or we will gather
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few families in
a particular home
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and will have a song
series and share Bible study.
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And this small group
maybe from this family
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they will ask, we'll ask,
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do you have any friends
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in your workplace
or with your home.
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Then we will go
to their workplace
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and organize a small group.
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So like that we are developing
a small group evangelism.
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And so when they--
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when they start
their friendship ministry
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are they going
like towards targeting
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a certain area,
just going door to door
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and knocking on
people's doors or?
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Yeah, they are
going door-to-door,
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our evangelism
strategies is the first month
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is a forming kind
of friendship month.
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We will knock the
each door, every door
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because we'll selected a
town, after selecting a town
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we will send all
our Bible workers,
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then he will give them
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may be for each team
kind of 10 to 15 Street.
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They have to go door by door.
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So first month is
the kind of friendship,
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the second month is
forming group Bible study,
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later on that will lead
to small group evangelism
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also call maybe cell group,
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the third month is
evangelistic month.
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You have an actually hold you
hold the evangelistic meeting.
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You and Pastor Shadrach,
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or two of you together
will go in and do that.
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How much does it
cost now in India
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to hold an evangelistic
meeting with nationals
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not bringing in a big
name speakers or something
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but like the kind of
evangelism you're doing?
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For us with the Pastor Shadrach
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and myself from
January till March
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we have finished like almost
seven evangelistic meeting
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and each cost like 1,500.
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$1,500 for holing an
evangelistic meeting?
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That's a pretty good deal
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when you consider how much
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you hear about some
evangelistic efforts,
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how much they actually cost.
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It can be huge
money with airline tickets
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and everything but
these are your people
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and your country
and your language,
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you know the situation.
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And over the last 10 years
doing this kind of evangelism
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and then the follow up
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that takes place
with the Bible workers,
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how many churches have
actually been established?
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And I'm not
talking about buildings
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that are sitting empty.
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I mean, churches that
are flourishing and growing
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and how many
churches have been built?
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Twenty eight churches.
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Twenty eight
churches in the last 10 years.
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And for your information,
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maybe it is the 28
churches are active
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and also when
we started our work
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in the city of Chennai,
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I think that time our offering
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for the whole conference
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was just like $500 to $600.
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But today it is
$25,000 every month.
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Yeah.
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So that means the work
is growing with the quality.
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I know our budget is
just for the TV slots,
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the TV programming
and the Bible workers
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is a considerably
big chunk every month.
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And I'm like saying I'm
talking to Terry Prouty,
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you know, my
administrative secretary
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who handles the budgets,
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I said, is this how much money
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is going to India every month?
00:16:13.26\00:16:14.29
I look at the
budget. She goes, yeah.
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I said, how are we doing this?
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She said, by faith
and God had supplied.
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You know, it's just amazing
00:16:19.64\00:16:20.67
every month were able to make,
00:16:20.70\00:16:22.42
you know, the monthly
budget for that project
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and the other projects.
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Now when you came this
time you were pretty excited,
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you're saying you want to
share with me a few things
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and you were talking about,
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well, you know Laymen
Ministries has been there
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before you know, Doug Bachelor
held his big evangelistic series
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and Mark Finley did his
big evangelistic series.
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And way before all this
big evangelistic efforts
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were actually happening
Laymen Ministers was there,
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starting to work in you
know, we're there year before.
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The first time I
met you even there
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but anyhow, you were saying
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that it's time for us
to try to do something
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and what was it that you were
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trying to share with me about?
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I thought this is a time
that door is opening now,
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the government is so good,
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they have good
heart about Christianity.
00:17:06.92\00:17:10.44
So I thought it was a time
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that we have to buy a property
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and have our own studio
and own publishing press
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and kind of a
selling place we have to--
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Like an office store front.
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Yes, and we have
to open a bookstore
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so that where people
can come and buy the books
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because we are the pioneer,
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first to translate
the Ellen White books,
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The Desire of Ages,
The Great Controversy.
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Most of the books
we have translated,
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we started in 1995.
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So I think--
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I remember the
picture of Pastor Shadrach
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with then division president.
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And with the GC president.
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And with the GC president,
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all there with those
stacks of Great Controversy,
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the whole room full of
them that were printed there.
00:18:01.73\00:18:04.44
So you're
thinking that it's time
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that we actually get established
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and have an office now.
00:18:06.89\00:18:08.91
We've talked about
building a studio there
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and we have a particular donor
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that wants to help us if
he can sell some property
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so that is going to
help us with you know,
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some of the costs
of building a studio
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but we found some land right now
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that we're looking at
00:18:19.85\00:18:20.98
and we're needing
to move forward on that
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and we're hoping
that maybe we can start
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getting this office
built in sometime soon.
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What benefits do you see
by doing something like that?
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I feel, India,
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when you compare the population
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it is like almost
like, 1.3 billion people
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and there are hundreds of
languages, hundreds of races
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and media
evangelism is very important.
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So we are doing
the secular channel,
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we are not in the
Christian channel,
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we are in the secular
channel, secular channel mean--
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I understand a secular channel,
00:19:02.84\00:19:04.38
this is not your
typical Christian,
00:19:04.41\00:19:06.36
we are on a Christian network
over there too, good news.
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But we are reaching people
who are not church people.
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You're right.
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And the media is a
very powerful tool.
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And the media
is a powerful tool.
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And also the door is opening
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so if you laid a
foundation right now,
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maybe after two year
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we can plant one more
studio in the northern India
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and the southern India.
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And I feel and my aspiration is
00:19:31.41\00:19:35.17
to have a pray a center in
all the metro cities of India
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and at least to have a
studio in the southern India
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and northern India to
cover the whole India.
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So already we have a ministry
in Nepal in Northern India.
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So we should make a
center the city of Chennai
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and spread around the country.
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Yeah, and to be honest with you
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I've been to your
home and try to run
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some with these
things out of your home,
00:20:03.19\00:20:05.08
it's not really
very good for your family
00:20:05.11\00:20:06.80
nor is it a conducive
place for your workers to come
00:20:06.83\00:20:10.27
or if we built a
building where we actually,
00:20:10.30\00:20:12.84
we're not talking
something elaborate.
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Nowadays when we start
talking about television studios
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with the camera technology
00:20:17.02\00:20:18.22
and such it can be a
pretty compact building,
00:20:18.25\00:20:20.73
it doesn't have to
be a great big huge
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multi million-dollar
center for $20,000, $25,000
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we can built a humble
studio and office building
00:20:27.82\00:20:30.33
and have a place that we
could have our DVD and CDs
00:20:30.36\00:20:33.74
and VCD duplication center
00:20:33.77\00:20:36.24
and we can have office their,
00:20:36.27\00:20:38.03
storage area for a
lot of the literature,
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a place for the
workers to come every day
00:20:39.71\00:20:41.53
and work and answer the
phones actually in an offices
00:20:41.56\00:20:44.06
instead of being
scattered at all over the place.
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Yes. Yeah.
00:20:45.96\00:20:47.13
Now you were saying--
00:20:47.16\00:20:49.16
now, we like we
were talking about
00:20:49.19\00:20:50.59
we have been working in
India for 17 or 18 years,
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I have seen just incredible
changes taking place there.
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How was those
changes affected the way
00:20:57.54\00:20:59.47
that we do ministry
in India compared to like
00:20:59.50\00:21:01.92
you know, 15
years 10-15 years ago
00:21:01.95\00:21:03.87
and what you're
dealing with today?
00:21:03.90\00:21:05.75
What's changing there?
00:21:05.78\00:21:06.81
Yeah, the number one, I feel
00:21:06.84\00:21:09.87
as you know around the world
the materialism is changing.
00:21:09.90\00:21:13.98
People are being more and
more focused on getting stuff
00:21:14.01\00:21:16.08
and working in, caught
up in life in the fast line.
00:21:16.11\00:21:18.68
Yes, fast lane.
00:21:18.71\00:21:20.13
In those days I can remember
in those days what happened,
00:21:20.16\00:21:25.10
only the husband will work
and the wife will be in the home
00:21:25.13\00:21:29.76
and the children
will go to the school,
00:21:29.79\00:21:31.30
they will come
by 3:30 or 4 o'clock
00:21:31.33\00:21:33.67
and then they will
play, do the homework
00:21:33.70\00:21:36.65
but today it's not like that.
00:21:36.68\00:21:38.69
The husband is
getting up morning 6 o'clock
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and he's going and he
is coming 6 o'clock evening
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and wife is going on one
side, the children's were coming
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and after the school they
are going to the tuition centre
00:21:48.16\00:21:51.09
and they are coming.
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So, people are very busy
00:21:52.18\00:21:55.23
and also for your
information the call center,
00:21:55.26\00:21:58.33
now people are
working even the night time.
00:21:58.36\00:22:01.94
So now city when 17 years back,
00:22:01.97\00:22:05.66
like 8 o'clock, 9 o'clock
even the city will be like
00:22:05.69\00:22:09.37
our lights everything
will be off, now it is 24/7.
00:22:09.40\00:22:13.90
It's people working 24/7.
00:22:13.93\00:22:16.80
So the whole concept to media,
00:22:16.83\00:22:18.41
like for instance you
you're telling me that
00:22:18.44\00:22:20.54
now when people
call the call center,
00:22:20.57\00:22:22.27
you'll send them
maybe a track or something
00:22:22.30\00:22:23.90
but you also include a DVD.
00:22:23.93\00:22:24.97
You are right.
00:22:25.00\00:22:26.03
Because people
are more interested
00:22:26.06\00:22:27.38
in popping a DVD
into a DVD player
00:22:27.41\00:22:30.11
and watching a message.
00:22:30.14\00:22:32.54
What kind of DVD's are
you circulating right now?
00:22:32.57\00:22:34.81
Oh, we have
circulating our message,
00:22:34.84\00:22:38.10
Pastor Shadrach
Bible studies material
00:22:38.13\00:22:41.18
and my sermons
and your marriage--
00:22:41.21\00:22:46.56
The decoding
communication series.
00:22:46.59\00:22:47.84
You are right.
00:22:47.87\00:22:49.02
People are
watching those in English?
00:22:49.05\00:22:50.80
Yes, English and--
00:22:50.83\00:22:52.54
because we have a good
viewership in Malaysia,
00:22:52.57\00:22:55.93
we have around 12 libraries.
00:22:55.96\00:23:00.41
We have in the
Malaysian churches
00:23:00.44\00:23:02.34
because though
Malaysian government
00:23:02.37\00:23:04.98
is giving freedom
00:23:05.01\00:23:06.61
but they have a restriction.
00:23:06.64\00:23:08.56
So what they are doing,
they're copying all our program
00:23:08.59\00:23:11.85
and keeping in the church
and church members are coming
00:23:11.88\00:23:14.97
and taking their DVD or
VCD, playing in the home
00:23:15.00\00:23:19.48
then they are
sharing to their friends,
00:23:19.51\00:23:21.30
then they are
bringing and keeping.
00:23:21.33\00:23:23.28
So one individual is
taking care of all of this.
00:23:23.31\00:23:26.59
So, then your last
year, the marriage DVD,
00:23:26.62\00:23:32.02
we have circulated 915.
00:23:32.05\00:23:35.63
Nine hundred and fifteen sets?
00:23:35.66\00:23:36.85
Sets, and we have given
to Australia and Malaysia.
00:23:36.88\00:23:41.82
Wow. Then we've--
00:23:41.85\00:23:43.72
And that is a message
that needs to be heard today
00:23:43.75\00:23:45.50
because with life
becoming faster and faster
00:23:45.53\00:23:48.13
marriages are falling apart
00:23:48.16\00:23:49.62
and financial
crisis is hitting families
00:23:49.65\00:23:51.92
and they are
dealing with a lot of stress
00:23:51.95\00:23:53.93
and different things like that.
00:23:53.96\00:23:54.99
So and it's a
very important subject.
00:23:55.02\00:23:57.38
And then final
events, then Mark Finley,
00:23:57.41\00:24:01.86
Discovery, that we have given
00:24:01.89\00:24:04.10
I think more than
15,000 we have given.
00:24:04.13\00:24:07.18
Fifteen thousand? You are right.
00:24:07.21\00:24:08.50
So this is the way you as
a viewer could get involved
00:24:08.53\00:24:11.06
if you have a
burden for wanting to get
00:24:11.09\00:24:13.98
message DVD's into
the homes of people
00:24:14.01\00:24:16.32
who are un-churched
or not even Christian
00:24:16.35\00:24:18.71
you could help our
ministry with helping
00:24:18.74\00:24:20.76
to cover the
costs of DVD duplication
00:24:20.79\00:24:23.27
which we have our own DVD
duplicators over in India.
00:24:23.30\00:24:25.82
So there's a lot
of exciting things
00:24:25.85\00:24:27.30
that we really
have going on in India.
00:24:27.33\00:24:28.73
And even though the
challenges are growing
00:24:28.76\00:24:30.85
because of secularism
00:24:30.88\00:24:32.91
and materialism
and of pace of life
00:24:32.94\00:24:36.11
this technology
is really becoming
00:24:36.14\00:24:38.17
a really good avenue
to reach these people
00:24:38.20\00:24:40.22
in this high speed
world we're living in today.
00:24:40.25\00:24:43.86
What other ways are we
reaching out to touch people?
00:24:43.89\00:24:46.18
Now recently we
have developed a website,
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though we have our
website for our Laymen Ministry
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we have developed a
website in Tamil and English.
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What is the website URL?
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Its name is "Saving Hands."
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Saving Hands. Yes.
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So if a person
wanted to go to that website
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how would they do it?
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They just laymensavinghands.org
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Oh, .org? Yes, yes.
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Now this is an English
and Tamil website right?
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Yes.
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So when you
enter into the website,
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in fact, you can
go to our website
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and you can click on
the link on the very top
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it says Laymen Ministries, India
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and it will take
you into this website,
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but on one side it's
actually in the Tamil language
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in the other
side it's an English
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you can select
which one you want.
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You have a lot of
people visiting this website?
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Yes, a lot of
people are visiting
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even once from Germany
somebody's saw the website
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and they have called me
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and they have
asked about our ministry
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and they were so happy.
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And even they said
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we will support for
your mission in future.
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And I think and also in website
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in Tamil website
we have few songs
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and also we have some messages
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and we are giving a devotional.
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So people are
visiting the devotion.
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And everyday we give a
kind of promise from the Bible.
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Praise God.
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So people every day
the new promises come.
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So it's a good way to
reach the hi-tech people
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and it is good one.
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Yeah, well, it's really good.
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There's a lot blessings
taking place right now in India
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and maybe you're
watching this program
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and you're wondering
how you maybe could help.
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I just encourage you,
you know go to our website
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and look at the India website
and also think about the DVD's,
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think about this
call center we have,
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how we need to really
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move these things
into one locality.
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We have property right
now that we're seriously
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probably gonna be buying
here in the next couple weeks
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we could use some help
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in trying to get a
building built over there.
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If you want to
get on board with us
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and continue this
ministry that's been going on
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for almost 17, 18 years in India
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we are there to try to
help establish a firm foundation
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for the truth of the
Three Angels' Messages.
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We have a lot of exciting things
happening in India right now
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if you'd like to get involved
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and help us in
one way or another
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think about you
know, purchase a DVDs
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and the outreach to those DVD's,
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how we're going to be building a
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small effective
television studio there
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and our new office buildings.
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We have property already
located that we're looking at
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and probably gonna be
buying within next couple weeks.
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If you would like to
help, we could really
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use your help to be
able to further this project.
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This been going on for
16,17, 18 years now in India
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and we would just encourage you,
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you know, to contact
us at Laymen Ministries,
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that's 414, Zapada
Road, St. Maries, Idaho 83861
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or you can
contact us on our website
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that's www.lmn.org.
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Our email address
is extremely easy,
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its office@lmn.org.
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Pastor Swami Das Johnson,
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it was great to have
you with us in our studio
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and we look forward to
being able to see you in Indian
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just a very short time
when we come over there
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and put together one
of our new mission videos
00:27:59.43\00:28:01.62
and take our viewers
there to show them on site
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what's happening.
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Thank you very much.
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