Welcome to the Liberty Insider. 00:00:28.66\00:00:30.73 This is a program designed to give you some insights 00:00:30.76\00:00:33.50 and encouragement and information 00:00:33.53\00:00:35.96 on the importance and value of religious liberty in the US 00:00:36.00\00:00:39.07 and around the world. 00:00:39.10\00:00:40.47 I'm your host, Lincoln Steed, have been for 20 some years. 00:00:40.50\00:00:46.17 And I'd like to share some things with you 00:00:46.21\00:00:48.38 on this program. 00:00:48.41\00:00:51.55 Of course, religious liberty without religion 00:00:51.58\00:00:54.48 doesn't make much sense. 00:00:54.52\00:00:56.48 And as a Seventh-day Adventist Christian, 00:00:56.52\00:00:59.42 I'm quite convinced 00:00:59.45\00:01:00.99 that there's a spiritual basis for religious liberty. 00:01:01.02\00:01:04.73 In fact, I've often pointed out to audiences 00:01:04.76\00:01:07.70 that all of our efforts to "protect religious liberty" 00:01:07.73\00:01:11.80 are really not quite 00:01:11.83\00:01:14.40 that we are protecting it is true against the norms 00:01:14.44\00:01:18.21 of a secular state. 00:01:18.24\00:01:19.77 But as far as religious liberty goes, 00:01:19.81\00:01:21.98 it's inherent in what Christ did, 00:01:22.01\00:01:25.51 as explained in the New Testament, 00:01:25.55\00:01:27.68 in freeing all human beings 00:01:27.72\00:01:30.89 from the final penalty for sin, 00:01:30.92\00:01:34.26 and giving the ability 00:01:34.29\00:01:36.06 to become as it says, the sons of God, 00:01:36.09\00:01:38.99 and to by repentance 00:01:39.03\00:01:42.16 and following Him as His disciples did escape 00:01:42.20\00:01:46.40 the penalty of sinfulness and the degradation 00:01:46.43\00:01:49.67 that comes with earthly norms, 00:01:49.70\00:01:51.74 and live with Him forever in an eternity made for us. 00:01:51.77\00:01:57.25 And so I pointed out to those that listen to my talks, 00:01:57.28\00:02:01.45 that you have religious liberty now. 00:02:01.48\00:02:04.79 And as the Bible says, 00:02:04.82\00:02:06.15 I've said before you in the words of Jesus 00:02:06.19\00:02:07.79 an open door, which no man can shut. 00:02:07.82\00:02:11.03 That's an incredible offer, 00:02:11.06\00:02:15.16 an incredible dynamic 00:02:15.20\00:02:16.53 when you see religious liberty that way, 00:02:16.56\00:02:18.93 it's a, you know, inviolable principle, 00:02:18.97\00:02:22.24 it's there, it's given. 00:02:22.27\00:02:24.31 And whether you live in North Korea, 00:02:24.34\00:02:27.91 or the United States, or Australia, or Canada, 00:02:27.94\00:02:30.35 some other antithetical system to that, doesn't matter. 00:02:30.38\00:02:35.52 In North Korea, you may lose your life, 00:02:35.55\00:02:38.92 practicing that liberty which you have. 00:02:38.95\00:02:41.46 And in North America, 00:02:41.49\00:02:42.92 you may be encouraged by the state. 00:02:42.96\00:02:44.73 Even worse, it may pay you your church money 00:02:44.76\00:02:48.13 to practice and, of course, money is the root of all evil. 00:02:48.16\00:02:51.60 So it might subvert your faith another way. 00:02:51.63\00:02:54.47 But the fact is, you have religious liberty inherently, 00:02:54.50\00:02:58.11 it cannot be taken away. 00:02:58.14\00:02:59.84 So on a certain level, 00:02:59.87\00:03:01.44 when we talk about religious liberty, 00:03:01.48\00:03:03.14 we're proclaiming an inviolable principle. 00:03:03.18\00:03:07.22 It's a proclamation, 00:03:07.25\00:03:08.82 it's informing people of what they already have. 00:03:08.85\00:03:11.49 And when they understand what they have, 00:03:11.52\00:03:13.59 they can put it into practice, 00:03:13.62\00:03:15.69 both in a society writ large, 00:03:15.72\00:03:17.63 where it can be an accepted norm, 00:03:17.66\00:03:22.20 a legal norm in that society. 00:03:22.23\00:03:24.17 And in your community it can be something 00:03:24.20\00:03:26.43 that you communicate to people 00:03:26.47\00:03:28.57 and encourage them to share in this liberty reality. 00:03:28.60\00:03:33.58 But it's a little bit more than that 00:03:33.61\00:03:35.48 and I've come to believe that religion, 00:03:35.51\00:03:39.35 while it's intimately tied up with religious liberty, 00:03:39.38\00:03:42.18 by definition, that religion by itself 00:03:42.22\00:03:45.25 or have what we understand of religion, 00:03:45.29\00:03:47.29 the structure of religious faith, 00:03:47.32\00:03:50.83 the elements of organization 00:03:50.86\00:03:54.90 that goes into a church of necessity. 00:03:54.93\00:03:57.40 The founder of the Seventh-day Adventist Church 00:03:57.43\00:03:59.57 or co-founder, Ellen White, 00:03:59.60\00:04:02.37 made some very interesting statements on occasion 00:04:02.40\00:04:04.61 that she was not comfortable with organization, 00:04:04.64\00:04:07.98 but that it was necessary 00:04:08.01\00:04:09.81 to carry things forward in good order. 00:04:09.84\00:04:12.58 But any structure can become bureaucratic, 00:04:12.61\00:04:15.95 it can, in the case of faith, 00:04:15.98\00:04:19.85 religious faith and even a political faith 00:04:19.89\00:04:22.16 it can sort of slow things down and become so ingrown 00:04:22.19\00:04:27.20 that you can lose track of the idea 00:04:27.23\00:04:30.60 that lies behind the door. 00:04:30.63\00:04:32.50 And I really have come to believe 00:04:32.53\00:04:34.54 that on religious liberty, 00:04:34.57\00:04:36.87 if you're not careful, religion itself, 00:04:36.91\00:04:40.88 the structure of religion, 00:04:40.91\00:04:42.48 the particulars that different people 00:04:42.51\00:04:44.68 are pushing can be in some ways, 00:04:44.71\00:04:48.02 if not directly oppose then inhibiting 00:04:48.05\00:04:51.15 of the great dynamic of religious liberty itself. 00:04:51.19\00:04:54.56 And one way to come at that is a statement that I made 00:04:54.59\00:04:58.96 at in International Religious Liberty Conference once. 00:04:58.99\00:05:02.33 Admittedly, I wanted to shock them a bit, 00:05:02.36\00:05:04.70 but I had an idea behind what I said and I got up 00:05:04.73\00:05:07.97 and these were mostly people of faith. 00:05:08.00\00:05:10.61 Some people perhaps were secularists, 00:05:10.64\00:05:12.74 but believed in the civil liberty, 00:05:12.77\00:05:15.58 idea of religious liberty, 00:05:15.61\00:05:16.95 but I'm sure 99% of them 00:05:16.98\00:05:19.18 were people of one faith or another. 00:05:19.21\00:05:21.92 And I got up and I said, 00:05:21.95\00:05:23.62 "There is way too much religion in the world today, 00:05:23.65\00:05:28.26 way too much religion, and not enough spirituality." 00:05:28.29\00:05:33.70 And I believe that fervently, 00:05:33.73\00:05:35.86 religion without spirituality without as the Bible says, 00:05:35.90\00:05:39.17 charity, if I have no charity, I have nothing. 00:05:39.20\00:05:42.47 And you can substitute love for that. 00:05:42.50\00:05:44.71 But it's the dynamic 00:05:44.74\00:05:46.94 that gives life to religious faith. 00:05:46.98\00:05:50.95 It's not just, you know, a doctrinal list, 00:05:50.98\00:05:53.72 or hierarchical structure, or priesthood, 00:05:53.75\00:05:58.49 you can get that idea now. 00:05:58.52\00:05:59.95 And then even from looking at some groups like 00:05:59.99\00:06:01.62 the Roman Catholic Church, 00:06:01.66\00:06:02.99 you know, there's the pope and the cardinals, 00:06:03.02\00:06:05.19 very problematic to me once, to read the Lateran Treaty, 00:06:05.23\00:06:10.37 whereby Mussolini gave power back to that church, 00:06:10.40\00:06:13.67 and it said that the cardinals 00:06:13.70\00:06:15.74 would be treated as princes of the blood. 00:06:15.77\00:06:20.14 Sad statement, because spiritual leaders 00:06:20.18\00:06:24.25 are not to be equated with secular princes 00:06:24.28\00:06:28.55 and elected officials and so on, 00:06:28.58\00:06:30.19 you're dealing with the spiritual reality. 00:06:30.22\00:06:33.89 And so the structure doesn't define it, 00:06:33.92\00:06:36.02 the dynamic, the faith that lies beneath it does. 00:06:36.06\00:06:39.83 And the best way to express 00:06:39.86\00:06:41.66 that in a Christian context is the new birth, 00:06:41.70\00:06:45.10 a change of heart 00:06:45.13\00:06:46.94 from a secular mindset to a mind, 00:06:46.97\00:06:51.07 an inner compulsion 00:06:51.11\00:06:52.44 that's dedicated toward the principles of your faith, 00:06:52.47\00:06:55.24 and the person of your faith, Jesus Christ. 00:06:55.28\00:06:59.08 Many Christians, Protestant Christians, 00:06:59.11\00:07:01.62 particularly, are inclined to think 00:07:01.65\00:07:04.42 that it was only in the New Testament 00:07:04.45\00:07:06.99 that we would have such a concept, 00:07:07.02\00:07:10.03 but it really isn't true. 00:07:10.06\00:07:11.86 I remember years ago as a young man first noticing, 00:07:11.89\00:07:16.63 in the reading the story of the children of Israel, 00:07:16.67\00:07:22.44 who ended up with a capital of Jerusalem, of course, 00:07:22.47\00:07:25.37 but the children of Israel, 00:07:25.41\00:07:27.71 for many years were led directly by God, 00:07:27.74\00:07:30.45 it's called a theocracy. 00:07:30.48\00:07:32.38 And ironically, in the United States today, 00:07:32.41\00:07:35.18 there are many hungering and thirsting for theocracy. 00:07:35.22\00:07:39.55 But you know, it can't happen now, 00:07:39.59\00:07:41.36 God is not visibly present, 00:07:41.39\00:07:44.39 He lives within the heart, 00:07:44.43\00:07:46.39 which again brings us back to the new birth experience. 00:07:46.43\00:07:49.56 And we can't well judge the heart of other people. 00:07:49.60\00:07:53.17 So if you try to establish a theocracy, 00:07:53.20\00:07:55.84 and even a benign place like the United States, 00:07:55.87\00:07:59.01 what you're quickly going to have 00:07:59.04\00:08:01.18 is some self-anointed spiritual leaders 00:08:01.21\00:08:04.98 that are forcing their view 00:08:05.01\00:08:06.58 of what religious practices on other people, 00:08:06.61\00:08:09.15 so we reject the theocracy. 00:08:09.18\00:08:10.99 But the truth theocracy, in the Old Testament, 00:08:11.02\00:08:14.59 had God directly speaking with Moses initially, 00:08:14.62\00:08:20.26 it had the Shekinah Glory, 00:08:20.30\00:08:23.80 the visible presence of God, 00:08:23.83\00:08:27.77 dwelling out front of the camp, 00:08:27.80\00:08:30.01 and then hovering over the sanctuary. 00:08:30.04\00:08:33.07 I mean, there was a link, 00:08:33.11\00:08:35.58 a visible practical link 00:08:35.61\00:08:37.98 between God's presence and His will 00:08:38.01\00:08:40.92 and the actions of those people. 00:08:40.95\00:08:44.45 At the end of that period, 00:08:44.49\00:08:45.82 when people started to look around them 00:08:45.85\00:08:49.62 and see the false gods and the false systems, 00:08:49.66\00:08:51.93 and in particular, 00:08:51.96\00:08:53.29 they see their neighbors ruled by kings 00:08:53.33\00:08:56.33 and political leaders of one type or another, 00:08:56.36\00:08:58.73 they started to hunger after having a king. 00:08:58.77\00:09:04.64 And it's a rather sad story 00:09:04.67\00:09:06.47 as it's told in the Old Testament, 00:09:06.51\00:09:08.11 where the people went to the prophet. 00:09:08.14\00:09:10.35 And again, in the theocratic model 00:09:10.38\00:09:13.45 back then God was speaking very directly 00:09:13.48\00:09:15.95 to a number of prophets. 00:09:15.98\00:09:17.59 And one at the time was Samuel. 00:09:17.62\00:09:21.26 Remember, Samuel as a young boy 00:09:21.29\00:09:23.26 heard the voice of God calling to him, 00:09:23.29\00:09:25.16 "Samuel, where are you? 00:09:25.19\00:09:27.23 "And he said, "Here am I." 00:09:27.26\00:09:28.96 And He led Samuel through his long life. 00:09:29.00\00:09:32.60 And so the people went to Samuel 00:09:32.63\00:09:34.14 and they said we want a king, like the rest of the nations. 00:09:34.17\00:09:38.41 And I sometimes think facetiously, 00:09:38.44\00:09:40.34 that even in the United States, 00:09:40.38\00:09:42.34 there is royal envy. 00:09:42.38\00:09:45.51 And many people still hark back to the Kennedy era as Camelot, 00:09:45.55\00:09:49.75 the time of kings. 00:09:49.78\00:09:51.95 But we don't have a king in a democratic system, 00:09:51.99\00:09:54.59 but people sort of hunger for this authority figure. 00:09:54.62\00:09:59.66 And I didn't intend to say this, but as an aside, 00:09:59.69\00:10:03.63 in the Western world and in England, 00:10:03.67\00:10:06.84 getting rid of the kings, 00:10:06.87\00:10:08.50 they had to deal with the idea that the king felt 00:10:08.54\00:10:10.94 that he was authorized by God, 00:10:10.97\00:10:12.77 it was called the Divine Right of Kings. 00:10:12.81\00:10:16.28 Didn't really exist in England or in France, 00:10:16.31\00:10:19.68 or anywhere in Europe, 00:10:19.71\00:10:21.75 and only briefly existed in God's people 00:10:21.78\00:10:25.75 after the period of God's rule. 00:10:25.79\00:10:29.59 But God gave into them through Samuel 00:10:29.62\00:10:31.93 and chose a king for them. 00:10:31.96\00:10:35.33 Saul, a goodly young man, as Samuel said to him, 00:10:35.36\00:10:38.73 you were a goodly young man, 00:10:38.77\00:10:40.74 head and shoulders above the others, 00:10:40.77\00:10:42.34 he had the presence that you would expect 00:10:42.37\00:10:45.84 of a dominant king. 00:10:45.87\00:10:47.64 And he was selected first by God. 00:10:47.68\00:10:50.31 But then, interestingly enough, 00:10:50.35\00:10:51.91 God allowed the people to draw lots 00:10:51.95\00:10:54.88 and have a selection process and in the end, 00:10:54.92\00:10:57.39 they chose the one God wanted, Saul. 00:10:57.42\00:11:01.19 And it's very interesting. 00:11:01.22\00:11:03.56 In the Old Testament, it says, 00:11:03.59\00:11:05.89 specifically there that God gave Saul a new heart. 00:11:05.93\00:11:11.87 And he was counted as one of the prophets. 00:11:11.90\00:11:14.04 He went around prophesying which could mean, 00:11:14.07\00:11:17.17 nowadays we think, 00:11:17.21\00:11:18.54 you know, telling deep things under direct inspiration, 00:11:18.57\00:11:21.38 but it meant then speaking spiritually, 00:11:21.41\00:11:23.98 and preaching and holding forth on spiritual things. 00:11:24.01\00:11:27.12 So he was marked as a person of deep religiosity, 00:11:27.15\00:11:31.59 with a new heart. 00:11:31.62\00:11:33.79 And we tend to think of that 00:11:33.82\00:11:35.62 as the model in the New Testament, 00:11:35.66\00:11:38.66 but it clearly 00:11:38.69\00:11:40.03 was what God always was always wanted. 00:11:40.06\00:11:44.17 In the New Testament, 00:11:44.20\00:11:45.53 there's no better illustration 00:11:45.57\00:11:47.30 of the importance of this new heart 00:11:47.34\00:11:50.07 than the story in the Gospel of John, 00:11:50.11\00:11:54.18 where a ruler in Israel, not a king, 00:11:54.21\00:11:57.05 but one of the ruling Sanhedrin 00:11:57.08\00:11:59.98 came in the evening to talk with Jesus. 00:12:00.02\00:12:02.92 And you know, I've heard many preachers 00:12:02.95\00:12:04.72 and read many articles commenting on this, 00:12:04.75\00:12:07.32 and they tend to portray Nicodemus, 00:12:07.36\00:12:10.46 as rather fainthearted, 00:12:10.49\00:12:11.99 not game to come talk to him in the day. 00:12:12.03\00:12:15.10 That may be so the later story of him 00:12:15.13\00:12:20.44 doesn't bear that out, in my view, 00:12:20.47\00:12:22.07 because he very publicly went to the authorities 00:12:22.10\00:12:27.41 and asked for the body of Jesus. 00:12:27.44\00:12:28.94 He very publicly stood up for Jesus in the Sanhedrin. 00:12:28.98\00:12:32.45 I tend to think 00:12:32.48\00:12:33.95 it was because the business of the day was over. 00:12:33.98\00:12:37.15 He was a ruler in Israel, 00:12:37.19\00:12:38.69 as Jesus called him a ruler in Israel. 00:12:38.72\00:12:40.36 He was ruling during the day, 00:12:40.39\00:12:42.09 he was part of official business. 00:12:42.12\00:12:45.29 And without air conditioning, 00:12:45.33\00:12:47.63 and a harsh climate that still to this day 00:12:47.66\00:12:52.30 is when people would socialize in the cool of the evening, 00:12:52.33\00:12:55.84 in fact that even hits me that in Genesis it says 00:12:55.87\00:12:59.17 God came walking in the garden in the cool of the evening. 00:12:59.21\00:13:02.34 It's a natural time to come talk 00:13:02.38\00:13:05.51 together and Nicodemus sought out Jesus 00:13:05.55\00:13:08.12 in that Mediterranean coolness. 00:13:08.15\00:13:11.55 And he says, "You know, Teacher, 00:13:11.59\00:13:13.42 we know You're from God." 00:13:13.46\00:13:15.39 Well, he was being a bit cute. 00:13:15.42\00:13:17.09 Jesus called him on it. 00:13:17.13\00:13:18.46 And He says, "Unless you're born again, 00:13:18.49\00:13:21.26 you cannot see the kingdom of God." 00:13:21.30\00:13:25.60 And again, I've heard many people preach on that, 00:13:25.63\00:13:27.90 and I'm sure many of their lessons were correct, 00:13:27.94\00:13:30.91 but I'm not sure they were all correctly explicating 00:13:30.94\00:13:35.11 the meaning that Jesus gave in the conversation. 00:13:35.14\00:13:38.85 I believe what Jesus was saying, 00:13:38.88\00:13:41.68 and it's borne out by what we know 00:13:41.72\00:13:44.85 of a Christian commitment, 00:13:44.89\00:13:46.42 unless you are born again, 00:13:46.45\00:13:48.89 unless you have had a deep change of heart. 00:13:48.92\00:13:52.59 And Jesus characterized that as mentally being reborn, 00:13:52.63\00:13:56.56 throwing off your old life 00:13:56.60\00:13:58.67 and thinking on spiritual things. 00:13:58.70\00:14:00.67 Unless you have had that experience, 00:14:00.70\00:14:03.94 you cannot comprehend, 00:14:03.97\00:14:06.78 understand or identify correctly 00:14:06.81\00:14:09.61 with what the kingdom of God is. 00:14:09.64\00:14:12.85 We'll take a bit of a break now 00:14:12.88\00:14:14.32 and I'll continue this exposition 00:14:14.35\00:14:16.75 after the break. 00:14:16.79\00:14:18.12 Stay with us. 00:14:18.15\00:14:19.49