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Series Code: LI
Program Code: LI210503B
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00:07 Welcome back to the Liberty Insider
00:09 before the break, 00:11 I'm the host, Lincoln Steed. 00:13 And I like the role of Steed. 00:16 And I'll get it twice here because with my guest 00:19 Christopher Steed, my son, 00:21 we were talking about the COVID situation in general, 00:25 but in particular, your experience 00:27 with a program called call, 00:30 where you had some face to face with people 00:32 during COVID. 00:33 Yeah. 00:34 You know, the best of times, 00:36 I would have thought this was a wonderful opportunity 00:37 to expand your spiritual experience, 00:42 which you had. 00:43 But it's more amazing that you and others 00:45 were willing to do that 00:47 during the time of some little risk. 00:49 Your age group is not too bad. 00:52 But who wants to get sick as a dog for a couple of weeks 00:55 with the little chance 00:56 that it might be something mortal? 00:58 I mean we did all... We took all the precautions. 01:01 We hand-sanitized, we wore masks. 01:02 Of course. 01:03 And that's what I was saying, 01:05 we don't want to be seen as encouraging. 01:06 Yeah. 01:08 Just thumbing our noses at a reasonable precautions. 01:09 Now when we were at the doors, 01:11 we actually had a thing where we would knock 01:14 and then we would actually take a step back 01:16 so that it's like it gives that extra distance. 01:18 And I mean, even when they had like 01:20 screen doors or something like that, 01:21 there was where we would still take 01:23 like a half step back. 01:24 And we would always wear masks no matter what. 01:26 Yeah. I am not opposed to masks. 01:29 In fact, I wish, in retrospect, 01:32 that the US authorities had been more aggressive. 01:36 Remember there was a period they said you don't need them? 01:38 They're saying that now you don't need it 01:39 if you're fully vaccinated. 01:41 A different reason. 01:42 They didn't explain it early on 01:44 that they weren't trying to make a virtue 01:46 out of a problem. 01:47 We didn't have masks. Yeah. 01:49 So they were saying, "Oh, they're not that important." 01:51 But meanwhile try to get all that they could 01:53 for the medical professionals. 01:55 They did need them. 01:56 But I wish we'd all been pushed if... 02:00 You know, Betsy Ross did something great 02:03 in the early days of Americana. 02:05 Remember Betsy Ross? I remember. 02:06 What did she do? She made the... 02:08 Stitched the American flag. Stitched the American flag. 02:10 Plenty of seems just that could have made 02:13 as community projects. 02:15 They could have been sewing masks. 02:17 I mean, there was a lady at our church 02:19 who made custom masks for us. 02:22 Yeah. 02:23 I mean, just go to Joanne Fabric, 02:26 get a roll of fabric, 02:27 it's like $0.25 a yard or $0.30 a yard, 02:30 you can make a couple hundred masks. 02:33 That reminded... 02:34 I tried to give a light touch to this now and then. 02:37 If you ever heard me listening to poems 02:39 by Dylan Thomas. 02:41 Probably. In fact... 02:42 I've heard you listen to lot of stuff. 02:44 When you were growing up, I know we used to play his 02:48 "A Child's Christmas in Wales" at Christmas time. 02:49 Yep. I remember that. 02:51 Remember that. 02:52 He talks about getting a Christmas gift, 02:54 a little sort of a face bag. 02:58 Oh, man. 03:00 I don't know what it was supposed to be for. 03:02 But he made out like it was a bag like a horses... 03:05 You know, the horses used to have 03:07 a bag with some feed... 03:08 The feed bag, yeah. They'd clip around their ears. 03:10 It's a travel feed bag. 03:12 And he says, "Once I got this face bag," 03:15 he says "from an aunt 03:16 who is no longer whinnying with us." 03:22 So it could have been sewn. 03:23 But, you know, those are things we all have an opinion on. 03:27 But the real point I want to make 03:28 is we're not irresponsible. 03:30 No. 03:31 You know, the Bible gives no license 03:32 to just thumbing your nose at reality. 03:35 Even though Jesus healed the lepers, 03:37 there is no evidence 03:38 that He encouraged His followers, 03:40 you know, to cast caution to the winds 03:42 and come in and hug and all the rest 03:45 unreservedly anyone with disease. 03:47 Those things came from the Old Testament. 03:49 They were good guidelines to distance 03:52 or to set aside those with communicable diseases. 03:56 So a Christian clearly needs to follow health guidelines. 04:00 And I'm sure you're aware. 04:01 You and I have had many discussions. 04:03 We've had our inoculation, right? 04:04 Yes. 04:06 And there are many 04:09 of our fellow Seventh-day Adventists 04:10 and other Christians and people of faith 04:12 or even people of no faith who say, 04:13 "I don't believe in it. 04:14 I'm not gonna have it. 04:16 It's an imposition on me." 04:17 And that seems to me a bit misbegotten, doesn't it? 04:20 Yeah. 04:22 I was talking to someone the other day about it 04:24 and they said, "Do your research on it. 04:26 Read the Bible. 04:28 The Bible does say that it is a curse on humanity 04:31 and it's not good to put foreign things 04:33 in your body." 04:35 But yet the same people that I've... 04:37 I'm not talking about this particular individual, 04:40 but I've heard other people who say that 04:42 and then you scroll on through their YouTube channel 04:45 or their Instagram feed or whatever 04:46 and you see them smoking and drinking 04:49 and getting covered in tattoos and piercings... 04:53 They're not good things. And I'm... 04:54 You know, I'm just saying like they're filling their bodies 04:57 with even worse stuff than the COVID vaccine. 04:59 Of course. 05:00 And remember what Jesus said, He says, 05:03 "It's not what goes into you that defiles you," 05:05 He was talking about clean and unclean foods and so on. 05:08 He says it's what you put into your mind. 05:11 But of course, bad food can kill you and bad chemicals, 05:17 recreational drugs clearly kill people. 05:20 And it's not impossible that a poorly developed 05:23 and thought out immune... 05:26 or what do you call it... 05:28 An antidote and, you know, an injection. 05:30 Antivirus. Yeah. 05:31 Could cause some harm. 05:34 But if anybody chooses to find, 05:37 they'll find that the benefit for the population 05:40 is way out of proportion to any side effects 05:45 that people are getting. 05:46 And what you need to remember 05:48 is I think many of our fellows are forgetting, 05:50 any time you have injections, 05:52 even if it's just water 05:54 or, you know, saline solution... 05:56 You're gonna have an adverse reaction to it. 05:58 There are people that have adverse reaction, 06:00 some because they get a shock in their mind over matter. 06:02 Others are allergic to the simplest things. 06:05 So when you've got just several of those per million, 06:08 you know, there's no license to say, 06:10 "Well, that's a horrible thing," 06:11 because without the people that gets sick, 06:15 at least 2% initially were dying. 06:18 That's a lot of people, lot of people. 06:20 I mean, I know people who have to breathe 06:23 purified air. 06:27 And if they breathe anything else, 06:28 they're allergic to it. 06:30 Right. 06:32 A healthy person has much to thank 06:34 the Lord for nowadays, right? 06:36 Oh, yeah. 06:37 And I'm encouraging you to do all the right things in life, 06:40 you ease your way through life. 06:42 That's the practical side of what Adventists used to say 06:46 health reform, a godly living. 06:51 I don't think it was just a divine mandate 06:54 or a miracle performed for the Jews. 06:56 You've read in the Old Testament 06:58 in Exodus... 06:59 The two loaves of bread or another... 07:01 Many things that happened to about a million people, 07:04 left Egypt wandered through a desert. 07:06 I hope it wasn't as desertified as it is now. 07:10 But you've been to Dubai, that part of the world. 07:13 You remember... 07:15 You walk out the door 07:16 and it's just like a brick wall. 07:17 You just... Heat. 07:19 Do you remember we were in a hotel 07:20 and about a quarter of a mile away 07:22 across open city blocks, 07:24 we can see this beautiful shopping mall 07:26 that we eventually went to? 07:28 You remember we stood there 07:29 debating whether we could make it? 07:33 It was inside the building with the AC on. 07:36 It was about I'd say 75-80 degrees. 07:39 Maybe lower. 07:41 As soon as you stepped outside, it was like 115-116 degrees. 07:46 I think it was around 120. 07:47 And you just felt all the liquid in your body... 07:51 Felt your energy just... Yeah. 07:53 I remember we ended up walking there. 07:56 And when we got there, the refreshing AC, 08:01 it's like the peace 08:06 that comes when you believe like... 08:08 Right. 08:10 And what the point I was trying to make 08:11 on the Bible text that says 08:13 that in this matter, the wilderness, 08:16 their clothes didn't wear out, their shoes didn't... 08:17 Yeah. 08:19 Well, you know, I don't doubt at all 08:22 that God divinely just like the cruse of oil 08:25 that lasted with the widow, 08:27 but I think most of the blessings 08:29 that followed were they followed 08:31 good spiritual advice, 08:32 God told them to do the right thing. 08:34 Even they got away from meat eating, remember, 08:37 and they were doing fine. 08:39 And it's ironic at first they said the leeks 08:41 and the onions of Egypt, they wanted the vegetables, 08:44 but later on, they want the meat 08:46 and so they were given quail and they all die. 08:48 Yeah. 08:49 So I think it's a Christian obligation 08:52 to do logical things to help our health, 08:55 but at the same time, 08:57 and this is the point I want to make 08:58 of this program, a discussion with you. 09:01 If we have anything special with God, 09:05 and by definition, 09:06 knowing God is the highest goal of humanity, 09:09 if you've got something, 09:11 we're under obligation to share it. 09:13 Of course. 09:15 And how can we sort of close the door, 09:18 shut our mouth, turn away 09:20 while people are in desperate states 09:21 just because there's a pestilence 09:23 wandering the streets. 09:25 I mean, I'll just give a quick example of a ministry 09:27 that I've seen, this YouTube channel 09:29 that I can't remember the name of. 09:32 But it started with a following of, I think, 09:35 it was only like 120 people. 09:38 And now it's been exactly a year 09:40 and they've got over I think 4 million subscribers today. 09:45 And they're a medium ministry 09:49 where they're not Seventh-day Adventist, 09:50 they're a Christian ministry 09:52 where they're just singing songs, reading stories, 09:56 talking about just daily events, 09:58 giving recipes for moms to cook with their kids, 10:01 and they've blown up. 10:07 Having a son is quite an experience. 10:10 Of course, the whole New Testament 10:11 tells us about the saga of God's own Son, Jesus Christ. 10:16 The Old Testament makes very much of the fact 10:19 that Enoch was changed after he had a son. 10:22 So it's been a great experience for me to have my son 10:25 on this program. 10:26 And remembering as I do when he was just knee high 10:29 to even me, he 10:30 was so full of energy and so uncontrollable 10:33 that in a store, you'd let him go, 10:35 and he would either go hide 10:37 or run away as fast 10:39 as his little legs can carry him. 10:40 I remember on one occasion, in a Walmart, 10:43 I turned my back and he was gone. 10:45 We hunted for him for 10-15 minutes 10:48 in increasing desperation, 10:50 finally found him out in the parking lot crying, 10:53 surrounded by a crowd of strangers. 10:56 We didn't want him to go then. 10:59 But the reality is that he like all of us is under compulsion. 11:04 We have to go and witness and share. 11:08 We have to share what God has done for us. 11:11 Some of us can share 11:13 what our parents have done for us 11:14 that comes and goes and varies greatly. 11:16 But for each person, 11:18 there is something to say about God who created this, 11:22 made us, knows us, and now charges us, 11:26 to say what He expects of each of us. 11:30 For Liberty Insider, this is LincolnSteed. |
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