Welcome back to
the Liberty Insider
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before the break,
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I'm the host, Lincoln Steed.
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And I like the role of Steed.
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And I'll get it twice
here because with my guest
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Christopher Steed, my son,
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we were talking about the
COVID situation in general,
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but in
particular, your experience
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with a program called call,
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where you had some
face to face with people
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during COVID.
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Yeah.
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You know, the best of times,
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I would have thought this
was a wonderful opportunity
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to expand your
spiritual experience,
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which you had.
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But it's more
amazing that you and others
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were willing to do that
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during the time
of some little risk.
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Your age group is not too bad.
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But who wants to get sick
as a dog for a couple of weeks
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with the little chance
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that it might be
something mortal?
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I mean we did all... We
took all the precautions.
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We
hand-sanitized, we wore masks.
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Of course.
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And that's what I was saying,
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we don't want to be
seen as encouraging.
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Yeah.
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Just thumbing our noses
at a reasonable precautions.
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Now when we were at the doors,
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we actually had a
thing where we would knock
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and then we would
actually take a step back
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so that it's like it
gives that extra distance.
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And I mean, even
when they had like
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screen doors or
something like that,
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there was where
we would still take
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like a half step back.
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And we would always
wear masks no matter what.
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Yeah. I am not opposed to masks.
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In fact, I wish, in retrospect,
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that the US authorities
had been more aggressive.
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Remember there was a period
they said you don't need them?
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They're saying that
now you don't need it
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if you're fully vaccinated.
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A different reason.
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They didn't explain it early on
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that they weren't
trying to make a virtue
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out of a problem.
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We didn't have masks. Yeah.
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So they were saying, "Oh,
they're not that important."
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But meanwhile try to
get all that they could
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for the medical professionals.
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They did need them.
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But I wish we'd
all been pushed if...
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You know, Betsy
Ross did something great
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in the early days of Americana.
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Remember Betsy Ross? I remember.
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What did she do? She made the...
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Stitched the American flag.
Stitched the American flag.
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Plenty of seems
just that could have made
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as community projects.
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They could have
been sewing masks.
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I mean, there was
a lady at our church
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who made custom masks for us.
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Yeah.
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I mean, just go
to Joanne Fabric,
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get a roll of fabric,
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it's like $0.25 a
yard or $0.30 a yard,
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you can make a
couple hundred masks.
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That reminded...
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I tried to give a light
touch to this now and then.
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If you ever heard
me listening to poems
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by Dylan Thomas.
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Probably. In fact...
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I've heard you
listen to lot of stuff.
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When you were growing up,
I know we used to play his
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"A Child's Christmas in
Wales" at Christmas time.
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Yep. I remember that.
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Remember that.
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He talks about
getting a Christmas gift,
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a little sort of a face bag.
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Oh, man.
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I don't know what it
was supposed to be for.
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But he made out like it
was a bag like a horses...
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You know, the
horses used to have
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a bag with some feed...
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The feed bag, yeah.
They'd clip around their ears.
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It's a travel feed bag.
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And he says, "Once
I got this face bag,"
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he says "from an aunt
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who is no longer
whinnying with us."
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So it could have been sewn.
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But, you know, those are things
we all have an opinion on.
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But the real
point I want to make
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is we're not irresponsible.
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No.
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You know, the
Bible gives no license
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to just thumbing
your nose at reality.
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Even though Jesus
healed the lepers,
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there is no evidence
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that He
encouraged His followers,
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you know, to cast
caution to the winds
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and come in and
hug and all the rest
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unreservedly
anyone with disease.
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Those things came
from the Old Testament.
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They were good
guidelines to distance
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or to set aside those
with communicable diseases.
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So a Christian clearly needs
to follow health guidelines.
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And I'm sure you're aware.
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You and I have
had many discussions.
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We've had our
inoculation, right?
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Yes.
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And there are many
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of our fellow
Seventh-day Adventists
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and other
Christians and people of faith
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or even people
of no faith who say,
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"I don't believe in it.
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I'm not gonna have it.
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It's an imposition on me."
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And that seems to me a
bit misbegotten, doesn't it?
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Yeah.
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I was talking to
someone the other day about it
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and they said, "Do
your research on it.
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Read the Bible.
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The Bible does say that
it is a curse on humanity
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and it's not good
to put foreign things
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in your body."
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But yet the same
people that I've...
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I'm not talking about
this particular individual,
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but I've heard
other people who say that
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and then you scroll on
through their YouTube channel
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or their
Instagram feed or whatever
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and you see them
smoking and drinking
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and getting covered in
tattoos and piercings...
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They're not good
things. And I'm...
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You know, I'm just saying like
they're filling their bodies
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with even worse stuff
than the COVID vaccine.
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Of course.
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And remember what
Jesus said, He says,
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"It's not what goes
into you that defiles you,"
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He was talking about clean
and unclean foods and so on.
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He says it's what
you put into your mind.
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But of course, bad food
can kill you and bad chemicals,
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recreational drugs
clearly kill people.
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And it's not impossible
that a poorly developed
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and thought out immune...
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or what do you call it...
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An antidote and,
you know, an injection.
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Antivirus. Yeah.
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Could cause some harm.
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But if anybody chooses to find,
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they'll find that the
benefit for the population
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is way out of
proportion to any side effects
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that people are getting.
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And what you need to remember
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is I think many of our
fellows are forgetting,
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any time you have injections,
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even if it's just water
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or, you know, saline solution...
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You're gonna have an
adverse reaction to it.
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There are people that
have adverse reaction,
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some because they get a
shock in their mind over matter.
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Others are allergic
to the simplest things.
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So when you've got just
several of those per million,
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you know, there's
no license to say,
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"Well, that's a horrible thing,"
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because without the
people that gets sick,
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at least 2%
initially were dying.
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That's a lot of
people, lot of people.
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I mean, I know
people who have to breathe
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purified air.
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And if they
breathe anything else,
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they're allergic to it.
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Right.
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A healthy person
has much to thank
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the Lord for nowadays, right?
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Oh, yeah.
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And I'm encouraging you to
do all the right things in life,
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you ease your way through life.
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That's the practical side
of what Adventists used to say
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health reform, a godly living.
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I don't think it was
just a divine mandate
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or a miracle
performed for the Jews.
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You've read in the Old Testament
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in Exodus...
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The two loaves of
bread or another...
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Many things that happened
to about a million people,
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left Egypt
wandered through a desert.
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I hope it wasn't as
desertified as it is now.
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But you've been to
Dubai, that part of the world.
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You remember...
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You walk out the door
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and it's just like a brick wall.
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You just... Heat.
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Do you remember
we were in a hotel
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and about a
quarter of a mile away
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across open city blocks,
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we can see this
beautiful shopping mall
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that we eventually went to?
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You remember we stood there
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debating whether
we could make it?
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It was inside the
building with the AC on.
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It was about I'd
say 75-80 degrees.
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Maybe lower.
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As soon as you stepped outside,
it was like 115-116 degrees.
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I think it was around 120.
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And you just felt all
the liquid in your body...
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Felt your energy just... Yeah.
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I remember we
ended up walking there.
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And when we got
there, the refreshing AC,
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it's like the peace
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that comes when
you believe like...
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Right.
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And what the point
I was trying to make
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on the Bible text that says
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that in this
matter, the wilderness,
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their clothes didn't wear
out, their shoes didn't...
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Yeah.
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Well, you know, I
don't doubt at all
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that God divinely
just like the cruse of oil
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that lasted with the widow,
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but I think
most of the blessings
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that followed were they followed
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good spiritual advice,
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God told them to
do the right thing.
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Even they got away
from meat eating, remember,
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and they were doing fine.
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And it's ironic at
first they said the leeks
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and the onions of Egypt,
they wanted the vegetables,
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but later on, they want the meat
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and so they were given
quail and they all die.
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Yeah.
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So I think it's a
Christian obligation
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to do logical
things to help our health,
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but at the same time,
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and this is the
point I want to make
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of this program, a
discussion with you.
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If we have
anything special with God,
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and by definition,
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knowing God is the
highest goal of humanity,
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if you've got something,
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we're under
obligation to share it.
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Of course.
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And how can we
sort of close the door,
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shut our mouth, turn away
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while people are
in desperate states
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just because
there's a pestilence
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wandering the streets.
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I mean, I'll just give a
quick example of a ministry
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that I've seen,
this YouTube channel
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that I can't
remember the name of.
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But it started with a
following of, I think,
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it was only like 120 people.
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And now it's been exactly a year
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and they've got over I think
4 million subscribers today.
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And they're a medium ministry
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where they're not
Seventh-day Adventist,
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they're a Christian ministry
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where they're just
singing songs, reading stories,
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talking about just daily events,
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giving recipes for moms
to cook with their kids,
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and they've blown up.
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Having a son is
quite an experience.
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Of course, the
whole New Testament
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tells us about the saga of
God's own Son, Jesus Christ.
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The Old Testament
makes very much of the fact
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that Enoch was
changed after he had a son.
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So it's been a great
experience for me to have my son
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on this program.
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And remembering as I do
when he was just knee high
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to even me, he
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was so full of
energy and so uncontrollable
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that in a store,
you'd let him go,
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and he would either go hide
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or run away as fast
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as his little
legs can carry him.
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I remember on one
occasion, in a Walmart,
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I turned my
back and he was gone.
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We hunted for
him for 10-15 minutes
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in increasing desperation,
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finally found him out
in the parking lot crying,
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surrounded by a
crowd of strangers.
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We didn't want him to go then.
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But the reality is that he like
all of us is under compulsion.
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We have to go and
witness and share.
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We have to share
what God has done for us.
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Some of us can share
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what our
parents have done for us
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that comes and
goes and varies greatly.
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But for each person,
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there is something to say
about God who created this,
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made us, knows us,
and now charges us,
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to say what He
expects of each of us.
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For Liberty Insider,
this is LincolnSteed.
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